What do you always hear people say about history that pisses you right the fuck off?
>Native Americans had 4 genders
>mfw
>>366608
>the british aren't responsible for ending the transatlantic slave trade
>the u.s. lost vietnam
>Greeks and Romans were like the greatest thing everr
>>366617
I hate that shit. We fucking left Vietnam, we could have continued to fight until the end of time probably.
>>366617
What was the objective of the Vietnam war? And did the US achieve it?
>>366626
trigger'd
>Ancient Greeks were flaming Homosexuals
>>366628
The objective was to stop the communists iirc
>No one ever identified as a member of a group based on language, culture, region, or heritage until the French revolution
>Small box blankets
>>366640
Who the fuck says that? I mean, I don't like glorifying Greeks but holy fuck that sounds retarded
>the church repressed le STEM during the dark ages
>>366645
Not that guy, but to a lot of people, they think the greeks just totally gayed it up all the time cause muh free love
>>366645
Gay University Professors or anyone who first hears about ancient pederasty.
>>366641
Then the US lost it since since north and south reunited as the socialist republic of Vietnam.
>>366617
hey faggit chink here. fuck u we vietnamese kicked ur fatasses so fuk u fuck usa faggot
>>366640
>Ancient Greeks were flaming Homosexuals
Except that's true, sort of, really they were creepy pederasts.
>>366650
But that's not wrong, you fucking retard
>>366658
Kinda sucks your impression of Vietnamese people comes from Youtube comments sections.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/which-countries-dont-like-america-and-which-do/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/30/vietnamese-see-u-s-as-key-ally/
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-countries-that-love-and-hate-america-the-most-2015-6
>>366661
They were not homosexuals in the modern sense. And the male relationship was a form of generational bonding through those acts.
They had wives and children even though they participated in the acts. It was unthinkable for an Ancient Greek man to fully immerse himself in homosexuality without appearing morally questionable.
>>366672
blah blah blah.... yea whatever fatty pig go eat ur fat cheeze heart attack burger fatass american
Bunch of phaggi greeks itt
>>366692
Make my shoes.
>>366679
>It was unthinkable for an Ancient Greek man to fully immerse himself in homosexuality without appearing morally questionable.
Only if you were the bottom.
>>366692
but i'm vietnamese
>Europe was the best civilization ever
Just like the Mongols were five centuries earlier?
>>366617
>tfw you can't lose something you never had
>thing was adjective
come the fuck on, did you even go to school at all REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Great thread, OP.
>>366679
>>366696
after ur fatass dies from a heart attack i will. pig
come to vietnam and see what happens, ill gut u like the pig u are dumb american
>>366679
Same with the Romans too. But Roman were more concerned about being alpha than the Greeks. If you ever had been known to have been a sub (aka sucking or taking a dick) you were permanently tainted. Roman culture was pretty sexually puritanical but along different lines than Judeo-Christian morals.
>>366707
Europe is not a civilization. And if it was, it would not have *been* the best one ever. Because it still is.
>>366725
Just get back to work ching chong
Enjoy our mcdonals in your communist country
>the germans got fucked at stalingrad
>>366608
>"actually, its pronounced neander-TALL"
>>366671
The church was one of the driving forces motivating advancement in geometry and architecture, and mathematics in general.
>>366617
If the U.S. didn't lose in Vietnam, then the British didn't lose the American Revolution.
>>366658
You know, i've always wondered.
Did those Vietnamese fighting in the war get PTSD as badly as the American soldiers?
>>366608
I have literally never heard this
>>366778
But that's true, it's a german word, and german doesn't have the english th.
>>366853
It's common among the transgender community for them saying they are normal. They always go "but muh native Americans were in tune with nature and had 4 genders"
Really they had two catagories of two genders
Male/female - masculine/femanine.
Essentially gay and straight men and women. But muh LGBTQIA
>>366617
If USA didn't lose Vietnam, then Soviets didn't lose Afghanistan
>>366865
>normal
The transgender community does not say this. They say they're abnormal, and they want treatment.
Transsexuals are not homosexuals.
>>366628
The paris peace accords meant the war was over when we left.
Then the north said "haha. I had my fingers crossed" and invaded the south agian
Which, at that point, unrest was so great here going back would have been political suicide for nixon.
Not to mention he promised to end the war.
>>366873
If the US didnt lose Vietnam, then I didnt lose my keys
>>366880
Did you lose your keys?
>>366645
>small box
>>366778
It is. If you'd like an English word because foreign shit is too hard for you try Neander Valley
>>366880
They are under your bed
>>366671
Yeah it is wrong. It's the exact opposite of what actually happened.
>>366658
you are not a viet
sod off
>Stalin did something wrong
>The French Revolution was unnecessarily violent
>>366943
I have to say, of all the totalitarians of the first half of the last century, Stalin always seemed like the most sane.
I don't think he put a foot wrong in terms of protecting himself, or even in terms of empowering Russia. But he wronged an awful lot of people, and it was mostly people who were his subjects.
>>366949
The violence of a revolution is directly proportionate to how violent the old regime was.
>>366608
>The dumbest posters on his aren't Americans
Every fucking time.
>>366927
The R in margarita isn't rolled. Only R's at the beginning of words and double-R's (RR) are rolled.
>the church was the center of science and technology
Yes, this was true, but that's only because they appropriated it away from being secular. You had lonely celibate monks performing science instead of heirs to estates. You could not do any large construction project without it being Church related. It's exactly the same as what the Church did to pagan traditions, adopt them only to be able to control them and limit them. One could hardly say these institutions thrived under the yoke of the Church.
A lot of people I know hold it that the thinkers of the early modern era were backwards and evil, largely based off of the single point of slavery being a thing at the time and irrespective of whatever specific thinkers had to say about it.
It's frustrating trying to explain the Enlightenment and what's all going on around that when the person on the other side has already categorized everything they're hearing as antiquated and barbaric compared to whatever sort of not-movement post-modern philosophies can be distilled into. Those guys had a lot of smarts behind what they were arguing for, both in favor of and against the ideas of the country I live in.
Another one is
>the US was the champion of both world wars
which so often seems to disrespect the Russian contribution in WWII and how much of a share the other Entente nations really put up in WWI.
It's almost always used in conversation to justify the U.S. acting unilaterally or to add clout to the idea that the U.S. is a big-stage moral actor in politics. This follows the assertion that politics are about morals and identity and usually a suggestion of bombing 'those sumbitches in the Middle East. Not the Jews.'
>>366608
>Feudal lords were all a butch of realpolikers and pragmatists.
>Winter defeated the Nazis.
>>366778
so anglos pronounce neanderfall?
kek
>>366679
>who were the Sacred Band of Thebes
>>366650
>photo of late era romanesque cathedral
>dark ages
>>366927
Not artistic, just correct.
I hope you don't pronounce margarita with a short i as it "should" be in English pronunciation
>>366608
>nuking Hiroshima was a war crime
>The greeks and the romans are just the same civilization with different languages
>>366656
we couldve annihilated them though
>marie antoinette said let them eat cake
>w-well if she didn't say it, she basically embodied the sentiment!
no. fuck off.
>>366617
Usa says it was a loss basically
Butthurt amerifats say it wasnt
Just accept that some chink rice farmer defeated you fags even tho u used chemical weapons and indiscrimate killing of civilians
>Native Americans were peaceful
>Napoleon was short
>>366671
The church is the only thing that kept the scientific knowledge of the Romans alive through the medieval era. For the most part, they were pro scientific advancement, and it was only a few fringe cases like Galileo that they really took issue.
>9/11 was an inside job
>>367287
>The church is the only thing that kept pagan festivals and folklore of pagan legends alive through the medieval era. For the most part, they were pro persevering pagan tradition, and it was only a few fringe witches and heretics that really took issue.
Literally what you sound like.
>>367394
>I don't think this guy's right, so instead of providing evidence for my claim, I think I'll just take something that's obviously not true, and shunt it into his sentence structure. that'll show 'im!
Literally your thought process
>English is a Romance language
>English is a creole
Parallelomania drives me nuts.
> Group A had belief/event/knowledge
> Group B had similar belief/event/knowledge
> Therefore one group must have copied wholesale from the other
It's been around for a while but internet comparative mythology "experts" are the biggest offenders right now.
>>367417
Half the old Saints are based on pagan legends or deities, and half the holidays are based on pagan festivals. Are you really this unfamiliar with Christianity?
Just because the Church took them in does not mean they supported them. It means they did it for pragmatic reasons and it was more practical to appropriate.
>>367454
Ah, I see what you're saying now.
I agree to an extent. Yes, it was only for pragmatic reasons, but to say that the church was vehemently "anti-science" is just wrong. It seems to me that there was quite the conscious effort within the church to preserve our knowledge. Whereas, I see the pagan celebrations thing as more of a concession rather than a conscious decision.
>>367166
The BS is that the strategic bombing campaign wasn't a war-crime. Hiroshima or Nagasaki weren't morally worse or better than the conventional bombing of Britain, Germany, or the rest of Japan.
It was a war-crime, deal with it.
>>367287
>>367394
>yfw these are both true
>>367475
>but to say that the church was vehemently "anti-science" is just wrong. It seems to me that there was quite the conscious effort within the church to preserve our knowledge.
Preserve is different than advance. The Church became the center of many things because that's how it could control things, by Christianizing them.
>>367287
No, no, no.
The issue with Galileo is that he had a personal disagreement with certain members of the church. The fact that they used their powers to destroy him for this rather than for challenging their cosmology does not make them better.
>>367492
I don't deny that it was self-interest.
>>367441
Except the fact that indoeuropean religion was the basis for many pantheons. Just cause you don't like the idea for whatever reason doesn't mean it's false
>>367521
Connections like that are leads rather than conclusions.
Two similar words for the same thing in two different places? First find out if one introduced the thing to the other place, and go on from there.
We found that the indoeuropean basal religion really was the basis for a panoply of pantheons, as well as the indoeuropean basal language for billions of modern day speakers.
But pyramids are everywhere because of geometry, not direct contact. The same reason doors are about 2 meters high.
>>367244
Then why didn't you?
>>366927
None of those r are rolled though.
>>367536
you were railing against comparative mythology though, but now appear to be for it
>>367481
no it wasn't you fucking baby
>>366753
I'll bite. The loss of the 6th Army meant the end of Germany having a free hand in Russia. Events elsewhere in North Africa and later over the skies of Germany started taking affect later in 1943 but the loss of Stalingrad was the critical blow that resulted in the entire Eastern Front being fucked.
>"muh Kharkov and Kursk stabilized da lines"
Debatable. The strategic advantage was with the Soviets no matter how you slice it. German strength in the east was never going to be able to overcome a fast mobilizing Red Army, not when the Germans were fucked in every dimension - transport, weaponry, fuel, ammo and armor. The appearance of the lines being stable in '43 was just a result of the Soviets taking a break from the winter offensive - they were waiting for the Germans to make the first move before striking. Furthermore, there was no great attempt at recovering unit strength post-Stalingrad. Units from quieter sections of the Eastern Front were shifted around in shrinking musical chairs while the other half of the German Army waited on the Atlantic Wall.
> "muh Soviets used human waves/Zerg rush tactics"
This fucking meme of human waves needs to die.
The Soviet Army of 1943 was holistically different than the shitty army of 1941. Spamming infantry after you already lost 2 million in '41 alone is fucking stupid which is why they stopped doing that.The Soviets absolutely had more manpower than the Germans by this time and would use it against broad sections of the entire front, giving the impression of human waves versus the poorly manned German fronts. Strategically and tactically they were far better organized and led on the attack, having very detailed assignments for each unit and objectives deep behind German lines.The Soviets would dump gigatons of shells and rockets on a position before sending in infantry and tanks.
Only Wehraboos think losing every single battle is OK if you got a good K/D ratio out of it. WW2 is not a fucking video game.
>>366608
> Cultural revolution was Chinese state oppressing the noble and heroic intellectuals!
>Hitler was racist
> Korean War was U.S Victory
>>367020
>Feudal lords were all a butch of realpolikers and pragmatists.
I think this comes in weird ways. In one part, the lords are machiavellian assholes, but they're still irrational. It's as if people could not believe that feudal society was rational in its founding.
>the US didn't lose Vietnam
>>367711
It can be rational to be irrational. Ask Kissinger and Nixon.
North Korea's strategy is actually pretty solid.
>>367720
Yeah, sure, but the basic foundations of medieval economy were pretty rational.
>>366617
We didn't lose it, it's still there.
>>367649
the Nazis did indiscriminate bombing you fucking mong.
guess what, it wasn't considered a war crime, no one went on trial for it.
also nice projecting you fucking retard
>>367422
>Creole and Pidgin
This is something that most people haven't understand it yet. You always hear "He/she speaks creole", I mean what kind of creole? Do you think the creole from Cape Verde is the same as the creole from Haiti?
>Creole is not ONE language.
>>367724
Um-hum. But the manorial system (and others) wasn't the same thing as the feudal system (rather the series of parochial arrangements that was later rationalized and codified as the feudal system).
The irrational strategy works if your dealing with mainly rational actors. Peasants and merchants were trying to get on with the rational business of making stuff and getting it places, so you could irrationally offer to fight them to the death for it, and they'd have to rationally offer to give you it. /anarchist
>>367776
>the Nazis did indiscriminate bombing you fucking mong.
They did, it was a war-crime. Is it a war-crime to shoot a whole village? Why isn't a war-crime to kill a village worth of people in a city with bombs?
>guess what, it wasn't considered a war crime, no one went on trial for it.
Because the Allies also engaged in it.
>>367238
Fucking triggered, the number of high school powerpoints with hoplites representing legionnaires is atrocious
>>366608
>>Native Americans had 4 genders
This is true for some tribes.
The Navajo had a few different "genders"
Masculine Male
Feminine Male
Masculine Female
Feminine Female
They didn't really care as long as you were a contributing member of the tribe.
>>366671
It's not only wrong, it's a complete reversal of the truth. The church preserved and proliferated knowledge when nobody else was doing it and even founded the first universities.
>>367244
Yeah they didn't because that would serve no purpose + public discontent was too high. The US ultimately lost and many still have Vietnam War syndrome
>>366608
Hitler was evil
>the burning of the library of alexandria was the worst disaster to ever happen in the history of ever and we lost 109732019379021 years of irreplaceable knowledge
i mean yea it sucks it burned down but it wasn't the fucking end of everything. i think i remember reading something that said 'humanity was set back hundreds of years' due to it burning down.... really? REALLY?
>That the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was wholly responsible for WW1
>The USSR provoked the Cold War
>The US founding fathers were "secularists"
>The US won WW2
>The "Dark Ages"
>Thinking nationalism existed before the 1600
>>368737
>>The US won WW2
They obviously did win WW2. What are you talking about?
> The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic!
I can't think of anything that is a better example of hair-splitting psuedo-intellectual bullshit.
>>368737
>provoked
You can say the u.s. was on the offensive for most of the cold war but Stalin didn't go out of his way for diplomacy. The Iron curtain scared the shit out of everybody.
>>368737
>>The USSR provoked the Cold War
yep, the ussr dindonuffin, they a good boy
>>368737
>The USSR provoked the Cold War
We did
>>368525
That's not 4 genders, that's two with 2 adjectives
>>367691
He was tho.
>>368752
People think the US was responsible for the Allied victory, but the USSR won them WW2.
>>368759
>>368772
>>368774
William Appleman William's wrote a great book on this called "The Tragedy of American Diplomacy." Gabriel Kolko is very good too. FDR and Stalin were great friends. Truman completely fucked up because he was an incompetent idiot with his poor understanding of "Communism," domino theory, and everything else that became garbage historiography done by the likes of Arthur M. Schlesinger.
https://youtu.be/MJMoZTN0n1I
>longbows can't melt steel barding
>>368836
>number of deaths shows contribution
Well shit, I'll just have half of my army off themselves, then I can claim victory!
>>368836
>FDR and Stalin were great friends
Coincidentally FDR was the worst president we've ever had.
>>368872
They pretty much did though.
I would argue that the US invasion of Italy caused some of that success they had in the East, but the heavy lifting really was done by the soviets.
>>366865
I'm pretty sure that was like one or two tribes. The North American natives could be quite distinct from one another.
> If the Germans won the war we would've been speaking German now
>>368688
>when nobody else was doing
brown people in brown people land
>>368882
FDR is overrated and a pseudo-fascist
>>368900
>Hitler wanted to take over the world
>>366608
>The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire.
>>366672
Why is the Phillipines so high? They're higher than Israel and we send them endless amounts of money.
>>368915
john green please leave and take your fucking brother with you
>People didn't know the Earth was round before Columbus
It's so incredibly stupid people can get through high school and college still thinking this.
>soviets won ww2 alone
>nu they couldn't have won without lend lease
Both of these.
>>368921
I had a muslim girl in my into humanities class who thought that we were using fossil fueled ships in the 17th century. Like straight up.
Someone said they used wind oil which was pretty hilarious
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki made Japan surrender
Threat of Soviet invasion after they invaded manchuria desu
>>368927
>wind oil
what the fuck is wind oil
>>368936
He was making a funny
>>368928
>A few million riflemen that would have to cross and ocean is scarier than nukes that are already bombing your country
>>368939
oh so he was just bustin balls?
>>368945
Busten them balls mayn
>>368903
FDR was a war time "fascist" (there is no strict definition) and quite literally the worst president I can think of. He turned the United States into a corperation.
I wish his grandfather would have beat the shit out of him from heaven.
>>368952
>corperation
>>368954
Sorry.
Or*
>Africans are all one black race
>Ethiopians are a black african civilization
>>366778
This. English speakers have a rich, centuries-long tradition of mispronouncing foreign words, and only pretentious idiots think that using the foreign pronunciation in the middle of an English sentence makes them worldly and sophisticated
>>366608
>Native Americans had 4 genders
Isn't that from slaughterhouse 5?
>>368969
>slaughterhouse 5
poo-tee-LITERALLY-REDDIT
>>368952
Is FDR's grandfather someone famous?
You're not thinking of TR are you? TR and FDR were like... cousins or second cousins.
>>368901
That's nice, but we were talking about the Christian part of the world where the white people lived.
>>368927
You remind tell her about changing her blinker fluid next time you see her.
>>368952
I think this is actually why he's my favorite president.
Responding to the north Korean press into southern vietnam without bombing china is my favorite decision of his.
Then again my knowledge of history is limited, and i'm looking into asiatic history now.
>>368979
no you weren't
>>368987
>discussion specifically about the church
learn to read
>>368989
>absolutes
>>368836
FDR basically handed the Soviets half of Europe. Putting his personal friendship with Stalin above American strategic interests was the real tragedy of American diplomacy
>>368971
Why is Slaughterhouse 5 reddit-tier?
How the fuck can you not like it?
>>368836
The USSR's entire war effort hinged on American supplies. The vehicles, train cars, and boots that they were sent were the only thing that allowed them to maintain supply lines without which they would have been utterly fucked against the Germans. The Allied war effort in Europe had no hope without American material support or Russian manpower, it's dumb to give either side more credit than the other.
>>368971
I haven't a clue what you're on about, but I distinctly remember there being something in slaughterhouse 5 about the aliens saying that there were 4 genders
>>367521
No, that's fine. Comparative mythology is fine when you use similarities to look for when and how the similarities might have arisen, and you're absolutely correct in saying that indoeuropean religion is the basis for many pantheons.
My complaint is when people skip the investigation step entirely and jump straight to accusations of A is copied directly from B.
>>368944
No scarier than the firebombings of major cities that had already been going on for some time then.
>>366650
>mosque converted into a church
good picture choice
>Czechs stole Sudetenland from Germans
t. Germanboo with no grasp on history
>>368969
>There were fives sexes on Tralfamadore, each of them performing a step necessary in
the creation of a new individual. They looked identical to Billy-because their sex
differences were all in the fourth dimension.
> One of the biggest moral bombshells handed to Billy by the Tralfamadorians,
incidentally, had to do with sex on Earth. They said their flying-saucer crews had
identified no fewer than seven sexes on Earth, each essential to reproduction. Again:
Billy couldn't possibly imagine what five of those seven sexes had to do with the making
of a baby, since they were sexually active only in the fourth dimension.
> The Tralfamadorians tried to give Billy clues that would help him imagine sex in the
invisible dimension. They told him that there could be no Earthling babies without male
homosexuals. There could be babies without female homosexuals. There couldn't be
babies without women over sixty-five years old. There could be babies without men over
sixty-five. There couldn't be babies without other babies who had lived an hour or less
after birth. And so on.
> It was gibberish to Billy.
It has nothing to do with Native Americans though, and proooobably nothing to do with trannies. Just Vonnegut being Vonnegut.
>>369006
This is what triggers me
>>369063
Thanks senpai
>>369043
dude
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aachen_Cathedral
>>368753
It is indeed not a Direct Democracy which is an important distinction
But that is stupid
>katana can cut through anything.
>Samurai armor was weak.
>bullshido meant samurai always sacrificed themselves
>Japan was saved by a storm
>>369103
>samurai armor was weak
compared to white metal it was
>Japan was saved by a storm
mongols easily > nips
>>369103
>samurai armor was made of wood
>>367074
>implying they didn't have wives and children
>>366967
I've noticed that all the /pol/ and Christianity shitposting threads seem to only crop up during American hours.
I wish Hiroshimoot would ban American posters from this board, they're worse than Australians.
>>366616
>slavery was invented/primarily practiced by Europeans
>>366967
>common sense
what did he mean by this?
>le rightful clay meme
>>366967
>>369156
>>369141
>>369150
No one has ever said that.
The argument is that no one but Europeans industrialised slavery on such a mass scale.
And it is true, no need to get so defensive about something our oligarchs great-great-great-grandparents did way back when
>>366621
But they are.
>6,000,0000 jews died in some genocide
>>369288
/pol/ plz go
>>369172
classic
>>368916
Philippines used to be part of America, but when WWII started we said "lol gg have fun getting raped by the japs". As a result, there are a lot of Philippinos with dual citizenship today.
>>366672
>Vietnamese still became our friends after all that shit
BASED
>>366608
>Chinese can't fight and lost every war
It triggers me so hard.
Where did this meme come from anyway? You would think that the second biggest country in the world would know how to fight
>b-ut modern borders are from the Qing, Manchu w-weren't Chinese!
Oh I get it, the Manchu are only Chinese when they were conquered by the Mongols during the Jin(Jurchen) Dynasty.
fucking hell, it hurts
The worse part it, no one of these faggots seem to know about the battle of salsu, battle of baideng and the tumu crisis.
>>369398
When people talk about WW2 allies and only mention slavs and ameripoors.
>>369464
UK should be mentioned too
but nobody else should be included besides those 3
>>369398
>>369398
>Where did this meme come from anyway? You would think that the second biggest country in the world would know how to fight
Late Qing dynasty pretty much. China lost all their fights in that period.
It similar to what happened with France.
>Have grorious Military History.
>Surrender in WWII before Kraut Cunts even had the run through your country.
>"Forever Cowards Lel"
>>369522
Is the guy mocking her an inmate?
>>366880
>If the US didnt lose Vietnam, then I didnt lose my keys
actually, this is a pretty good analogy:
I'm pretty sure you will find your keys if you invest some time and effort and search for them. But since you won't search you've lost them.
>>369539
>we wuz qingz
>>369398
>get beaten by the western powers during the colonial era
>now everyone thinks throughout the entire history of China they were losing wars
>>368872
but the statistic isnt about how many people died. Is about how many percent of the people asked thought the ussr was the main combatant and how the image changed over the years.
>>368688
>The church preserved and proliferated knowledge when nobody else was doing it and even founded the first universities.
If you're talking about the middle ages, the middle east was most scientifically developed region for a long time.
>>369553
No, he's just wearing a high visibility jacket.
just means he probably works outside.
