What were some interesting eras of standards of beauty? Does our modern version conflict?
In medieval Japan, the women blackened their teeth.
That said, that video about "different standards of beauty" is BS.
Standard of beauty have always been pretty much what rich people can afford to look like.
>rich people are pale and chubby
Pale chubby people are beautiful
>rich people are skinny/muscular and tan
Muscular tanned people are beautiful
>>34781
post more desu
>>34781
the only thing that conflicted for a short while was the short western obsession with skinny junky sluts, but thankfully the 80is are long gone
>>34951
I like this point of view.
>>35064
She is a godess.
>>34781
would bang tb
>>34899
>different standards of beauty is bs
Are they? I always see grils posting them on social media but don't know shit enough to discredit them.
Never understood the medieval/Elizabethan era standard of beauty. Fucking 5heads and pencil eyebrows and all the noble inbreeding causing ayy lmao aesthetics.
>>34781
>tfw will never have Circissian beauty.
Someone end my eternal suffering.
>>34781
Fertility idols =/= standards of beauty.
Fashion =/= standards of beauty.
Some variation in bodyweight but that's all, hips wider than waist, round butt and decently sized breasts, preference for youth are pretty much constant.
No obese, no underweight.
>>34951
>implying that what rich people married was what they found attractive 200+ years ago
Marriage has been more of an economic union designed to produce offspring rather than love for most of human history.
You need to look at what sort of women rich men/kings took as mistresses to get a proper idea of what they found attractive
>>35136
See Greek statues, paintings and... Marilyn Monroe that was actually a very fit woman, if you look at her naked pictures.
>>35206
Did they really have red hair? Modern Caucasus folk almost universally have dark hair.
>>35368
Have no idea man.
Just want a Georgian waifu ;_;
I like this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrp0zJZu0a4
>>35421
Yeah, that's the fake one.
>>35419
Me too ^_^
>>35421
>Buzzfeed
Also
>Ancient Egypt is a subsaharan
>Greece is a chubby lady
>>35064
very nice.
>>35316
>at what sort of women rich men/kings took as mistresses to get a proper idea of what they found attractive
This desu
Also - the beauty standards people keep talking about (for example chubby) is just a status thing. I doubt most people found that attractive in itself, more the status attractive. Girls don't find expensive clothes sexually attractive, they see the status in them and that is attractive.
>>35421
>>34951
By the way:
I am of the notion that noblemen/the elite often push their own condition as beautiful, even if they're generally considered ugly. They were also known to try and change reality by the way they influenced records of themselves (such as paintings)
Think of HAES and Tumblr trying to push for pic related to be considered generally attractive. Outside of a few fetishists, no one does, but these rich/middle class shitheads keep pushing it.
>>35179
Covering your hair as a married woman had always been considered to be proper. It also stopped the spread of lice.
The standard of beauty mostly means whether you pass the boner test or not. It's true that most men have a low standard, but that doesn't mean they don't find some things more beautiful than others. You can't really teach men to like heavily disabled girls or landwhales.
>>35421
If you look at Venus de Milo, she is much skinnier than the Greek model in this.
If you look at the famous bust of Nefertiti... She is very skinny.
If you look at Marilyn Monroe (this one we actually have pictures of)... She is also skinnier than the model they got.
Most medieval Queens/Mistresses were also not fat in their paintings (in real life, who knows? Being royalty probably made you fat)
>>35421
>Have a landwhale do the Birth of Venus Pose for the Italian Renaissance
>Venus is literally comically thin in the painting
They didn't even try.
They could have said Flemish or Dutch Baroque and used Rubens or Rembrandt
Also
>Italian Renaissance
>1400-1700
The basic idea is "nice ass" and "nice tits." Not having a terrible face is a plus after that.
I hate the way our modern culture glorifies women who are skeletons, and how "fat rights" is also becoming a thing. Look at art from any period, antiquity, the renaissance, and so on, and you'll see that they liked their women with a bit of meat.
I don't mean pot bellies and rolls of fat, or muscle women either. What I mean is that their women aren't boney, they are nicely proportioned. The whole idea of "wide hips and a good figure" probably has something to do with childbirth. Men are likely to be attractive to healthy women.
>>35616
Considering that middle class Americans are global aristocracy that makes sense.
>>34889
This always triggers me. We have no idea what this was for. It might have been a joke, or a statue of someones mom.
>>35848
Venus looks like fourteen.
>>35877
Only women and fashion glorify skeletons. That has more to do with perceived social class than attractiveness to men.
>>34899
It used to be a thing in Europe too
shitty teeth = look at me, i can afford sugar
>>35975
I don't know, she looks more like 250 to me
>>35877
/thread
bourgeoisie/aristocratic culture =/= universal "beauty standards"
art =/= "beauty standards"
You will need more evidence of specific "beauty standards" within historical cultures other than what its ruling/cultural class produced and played with in form of artifacts.
>>36039
The other Venus.
>>36023
more like shitty teeth so the fine women don't dare to speak up or else they would have to show their shitty teeth.
>>36023
Thats not "shitty" teeth. That's teeth blackened by coloring
In old Nip culture, the showing of teeth when smiling was seen rude among Women. Also ladies thought having your smile look like :D is darn cute as oppose to having a toothy smile, making you look like a Maniac.
>>34781
Read into the history of shaving pussies. Truly women at their craziest.
>only some documentation before early modern era
>waxing/shaving becomes a big deal in European courts after Brazilian natives were discovered doing it
>Men of public figure condemn it as unnatural to God's eyes
>prostitutes start doing it because it's more hygienic
>women continue to do it, men give up on giving a fuck
>roles reversed years down the road
>WE DONT HAVE TO SHAVE FOR GOD
>men stop giving a fuck again
>picks back up in the 1800's
>Napoleon claims sleeping with a shaved woman was sure to give you syphilis
>apparently Josephine shaved
>American great awakening
>God and shit, we're back to not shaving again
>girls rebel, saying they should be allowed to shave in the 30's
>then shaving is evil again in the 60's
>to infinity
Women are nuts.
>>36205
People in geneal are nuts once they think they are taking a big step.
>>36205
Where can I read more about this senpai?
>>36174
>rubbing mercury and lead into your skin
Ebin.
>>35692
>Covering your hair as a married woman had always been considered to be proper.
Interesting. I thought only muslims had that.
To the ancient Chinese, looking like a deformed alien was considered handsome.
>The historical text Records of the Three Kingdoms described Liu Bei as a man seven chi and five cun tall, with long arms that extended beyond his knees, and ears so large that he could see them.
>The historical novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms by Luo Guanzhong gave a similar description about Liu Bei's physical appearance, but with additional features. It mentioned that Liu Bei was seven chi and five cun tall, with ears so large that they touched his shoulders and that he could even see them, long arms that extended beyond his knees, a fair and handsome face, and lips so red that it seemed as though he wore lipstick
>>36174
Is the white to mimic pale skin? I'm pretty sure most men digged pale skin throughout history. I also read that many Japanese women walk around with an umbrella permanently to avoid getting tan.
>>35958
A statue of your mom specifically
>>35457
>>Greece is a chubby lady
yea this is nuts, the Greeks were obsessed with physical fitness for men and women.
if anything the proper Greek woman is probably closer to modern ideas
>>36436
In China, fucking everybody carries umbrellas around with them in the summer. The idea is that tanned people work outside for a living, so they're low class.
>>35975
Probably younger, I mean it is her birth
>>36317
Believe it or not, I discovered it by accident during research in my understudies. During the same research I also accidentally ran into the history of heterosexual buttsex in the early modern era.
Can we post historical looking qts.
>>36424
>seven chi and five cun tall
How tall is that?
>>34899
Came to post this. Weird as fuck desu.
Japanese really got off on seeing the back of a women's neck, too. It was considered very sexy.
>>35075
skinny girls a best you land whale enabler
>>36563
Japanese porn has always been weird then. It's their cultural heritage.
>>36563
I'm pretty sure arms were also considered sexy during the victorian era.
The more you hide a body part the more sexy it becomes.
>>34781
Holy fuck she's hot.
>>36563
In Europe during the18'th century people put skirts on their furniture because they thought it was lewd to show the legs on them.
>>36414
Muslims are the ones that kept doing it and the ones that made it part of their religion.
Later from the renaissance to the enlightenment, maids would also entirely cover their hair, in order to avoid being the center of attention and to avoid being distracting to men. I would imagine the medieval and earlier practice of covering up hair was pretty much to avoid distracting men.
So maybe covering up hair wasn't supposed to make you looks good in the first place, but rather more ugly so that you remain on the background.
>>36424
Don't even remind me of the practice of footbinding.
>>36622
>This meme again
>>36536
From somebody's forum post
>A "Chi" changes over time, from a book I had stated a "Chi" is about 0.354 metre. If Liu Bei height is 7 "Chi" and 5 "Cun" then his hieght would be more like 265 cm or 8 fts 8 which is imposible. Weiestrass at 3k.net once said that from some book he had stated that a "Chi" during the Western Han era was about 21.5 cm, if we applied that to Liu Bei's height, we would get 162cm or about 5 fts 4... not very tall.
>>36709
Confirmed for heretic drenched in sin.
>Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.
>Song of Solomon 7:2
ancient chubby chasers?
Post asses desu senpaitachi
>>36683
It makes sense. Long hair is sexy as fuck.
>>36683
goddamn anon, you've singlehandedly made this my favorite fucking board ever.
If I asked this shit on /pol/, which I used to frequent for my history fix, i'd get some retarded uneducated opinion and some link to jihad-watch.
thank you hiro and thank you anon. fuck /pol/
>>34889
>Caveman-era depictions
No, besides that may not have been beauty, it could just have been any old representation of the earth or whatever.
>>36436
Pale skin usually meant you were well off and didn't need to work in the sun.
>>36778
Any hairstyle for that matter is sexy compared to just hiding it.
>>35421
>half of them are legit fat
>Egyptians hair isn't braided
>>36622
we also have the terms dark/light meat so that people didn't have to say breasts and thighs in polite company.
>>36683
>Sex hair was a thing thorough history
/a/ was right
>>34951
>pretty much what rich people can afford to look like.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
>>36742
Thanks man.
>>36683
>"I found that neither Milo nor his wife were at home, but only darling Photis. She was preparing diced innards for stuffing, minced meat, soup from the offal, and what I’d already divined with my nostrils, a wonderfully tasty sausage. She was neatly dressed in a linen tunic gathered in with a bright red band beneath her breasts, rotating the cooking pot in her flowerlike fingers, stirring it with a circular motion, at the same time flexing her body smoothly, her hips subtly wiggling, her supple spine gently shaking, rippling delicately. I was transfixed by the sight, completely stunned; I simply stood, and so did that which a moment before had been limply asleep. At last I spoke: ‘How beautifully, how delightfully, my dear Photis, your hips rotate that little pot! What a lovely treat you’re about! Happy, and blessed for sure, that man whom you’d allow a dip of his little finger.’
>With a ready and witty tongue she replied: ‘Away with you, my lad, keep far away from the heat. If the tiniest flame should touch you even lightly, you’ll be badly burned, and no one but me would be able to quench the blaze, I who season things sweetly, and know how to make a stew or a bed to please.’
>Saying this she turned towards me and laughed. But I refused to go till I’d diligently explored every aspect of her appearance. My first delight has also been – why speak of anything else – the hair on a woman’s head"
>>35692
>You can't really teach men to like heavily disabled girls or landwhales
As someone who spends way too much time on /d/ I disagree with you.
>>36918
>"The reason behind this preference of mine is perfectly well-considered: namely that as the main part of the body openly and clearly seen it’s the first thing to meet the eyes. And then what gaily-coloured clothes do for the rest of the person, its own natural beauty does for the head. And finally when women wish to prove their true loveliness they remove their dresses, slip off their garments, wishing to show their naked forms, knowing they will be better liked for the blushing glow of their skin than the gilded tissue of silks. But in truth – though it’s forbidden to say so, and I hope as such no dreadful example of it ever occurs – if you were to shave the hair from the head of the most marvellously beautiful woman and leave her face naked of its natural adornment, though she had come down from heaven, was born from the sea, nurtured by the waves, even though, I say, she were Venus herself, ringed by the choir of Graces, with a whole throng of Cupids at her side, wearing that famous belt, fragrant with cinnamon and dripping balsam; if she were bald as a coot, she’d not even please a husband like Vulcan.
>But when hair gleams with its own dear colour and brilliant sheen, when it flames to life in the sun’s rays or softly reflects them, and varying in shade displays contrasting charms, now shining gold massed in smooth honeyed shadows, now with raven blackness imitating the purple collar of a pigeon’s neck; or when it’s glossed with Arabian oils, and parted with a finely toothed comb, caught up behind to greet a lover’s eyes, and like a mirror reflect a more pleasing image than reality, or when bunched up its many tresses crown her head, or released in long waves flow down her back! In the end, such is the glory of a woman’s hair that though she adorns herself with garments, gold and gems and other finery, unless her hair is groomed she cannot be called well-dressed.
>>36918
i got a boner reading this
>>36960
>As for my Photis, her hair was not elaborate but its casualness added charm. Her soft luxuriant tresses were loosened to hang over her neck, to cover her shoulders and rest a moment on the slightly curved hem of her tunic, then gathered in a mass at the ends and fastened in a knot on the top of her head.
I could bear no longer the excruciating torment of such intense delight, but rushing at her I planted the sweetest of kisses on the place where her hair rose towards the crown of her head. She twisted her neck towards me then, and turned to me with a sidelong glance of those sharp eyes. ‘Oh you child,’ she said, ‘bittersweet the taste you sample. Take care not to feel a lasting ache from eating too sugary a honey.’
>‘What matter, my jester,’ I replied, ‘if you’ll revive me with a little kiss, I’m ready to be stretched out over the flame and roasted.’ And with that I clasped her tight and started to kiss her. Her ardour now began to rival my own, mounting to an equal crescendo of passion; her mouth opened, her breath was like cinnamon, and her tongue darted against mine with a taste of nectar, in unrestrained desire.
>‘I’m dying,’ I gasped, ‘I’m already lost unless you show mercy.’ After kissing me again, she answered: ‘Don’t despair! Since we both want the one thing, I’m your slave; you won’t have to wait much longer. When they light the torches tonight I’ll come to your room. Off with you now and gather your strength: since I’ll be battling with you all night, courageously and with spirit.’
>>36174
>12 layers of clothing
Damn, that must have weighed a ton.
>>36742
Reminds me of one version of the Epic of Gilgamesh where Gilgamesh was said to be 11 cubits tall, or about 18 feet(!)
>>37008
If you ask our dear friends from Buzzfeed, they have a different opinion on what is "meaty".
>>36978
>tfw no slavery
>>35616
But poor people in America are disproportionately obese
Have female breasts always been considered sexual? Or are there exceptions?
>>34951
>>rich people are pale and chubby
>Pale chubby people are beautiful
I don't think that was ever a real thing. Pale, yes. Chubby, no.
>>37078
I can post the sex scene if you'd like. It's from the only trashy Roman novel that has survived.
>>37157
I know that having a pot belly was a sign of wealth in the Western world in the late 1800s. For males at least.
>>37216
go ahead anon, of course if you don't have anything else to do
>>37147
>ancient status with huge tits
Does this answer your question?
>>37147
>Roman accounts of wanting to suck on some girls big fat tits
yes
>>36596
Look up "the fisherman's wife"
>>37147
All men want to fuck their mothers so of course
>>34899
makes sense when you look at islander teeth.
better to have a black unidentifyable mass than the crooked nightmare
>>34889
I've always thought that's a caricature, an exaggeration of feminine reproductive features
Was it even possible to be that fat back then?
CHAPTER 2
Concerning Women Who Deserve To Be Praised
Know, O Vizir (and the mercy of God be with you!), that there are women of all sorts; that there are such as are worthy of praise, and such is deserve nothing but contempt.
In order that a woman may be relished by men, she must have a perfect waist, and must be plump and lusty. Her hair will be black her forehead wide, she will have eyebrows of Ethiopian blackness, large black eyes, with the whites in them very limpid. With cheek of perfect oval, she will have an elegant nose and a graceful mouth; lips and tongue vermilion; her breath will be of pleasant odour, her throat long, her neck strong, her bust and her belly large; her breasts must be full and firm, her belly in good proportion, and her navel well-developed and marked; the lower part of the belly is to be large, the vulva projecting and fleshy, from the point where the hairs grow, to the buttocks; the conduit must be narrow and not moist, soft to the touch, and emitting a strong heat and no bad smell; she must have the thighs and buttocks hard, the hips large and full, a waist of fine shape, hands and feet of striking elegance, plump arms, and well-developed shoulders.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/garden/chap02.htm
I'll be honest, I love getting historical boners.
>>34889
I believe this is a paleozoic figurine representing fertility. Note the enlarged breasts.
>>37436
it was pretty hard to be fat through all of history
>>37468
or it could have been a fap statue, how can you really know
I wish facial hair would become popular again.
Shaving is suffering.
Facial hair should be a symbol of masculinity again.
>>37527
>I wish facial hair would become popular again.
it is popular wtf time do you live in?
>>37527
Stubble and short beards are in right now.
>>37527
Where the fuck do you live?
Beards are back in a huge way right now.
>>36424
Even to modern chinese, a facial mole, especially one with three hairs growing out of it is lucky. These hairs are cultivated and allowed to grow.
At least gawking isn't considered rude in China.
>>37508
They're called "Fetishes" for a reason, y'know
This thread has been focused on women so far, but remember that it used to be normal for men to wear heels to show off their sexy calves, before the Victorian era ruined mens fashion forever.
>>35352
Thats like a 2000 year gap in history you are overlooking
>>37730
we're not all that different from cavemen, anon
but my point is that we don't know what it was for, if you didn't catch it
>>34899
some peoples in vietnam and laos still do this
>>37236
>I had only just lain down when dear Photis, who had seen her mistress off to bed, waltzed in with wreaths of roses, more roses riding loose in the neck of her gown. She kissed me warmly and fastened a garland on my head then she showered me with petals, before pouring warm water into a cup of wine and handing it me to drink. But before I could swallow it all she gently pulled it away and gazing at me the while sipped at the rest like a little bird, and made it vanish sweetly between her lips. A second cup and a third went swiftly back and forth between us till I was flushed with wine, and mind and body in truth grew restless and eager. Feeling the pain of the dart already I pulled my nightshirt up to my thighs and showed Photis proof of my impatience. ‘Have pity,’ I said, ‘come quickly to my rescue. Now the duel, you challenged me to, is upon us as you see and no herald to part us. I’m strung taut with expectation. Feeling Cupid’s first arrow strike to the depths of my heart, I’ve stretched my bow so tight, I’m afraid of the string breaking from the tension. But indulge me even more, loose your flowing tresses, let your hair ripple like waves and embrace me, lovingly.’
Roman noblemen from 2000 years ago would grab these scrolls, tell their wives that they were going to see the estate overseer, then sneak behind the slave quarters to jack off
>>37801
was it rape?
>>37888
>Without delay, she snatched away all the plates and dishes, pulled off every stitch of clothing, let down her hair, and with joyful wantonness transformed herself to an image of Venus rising from the waves. For a while she even held her little hand on purpose over her smooth-shaven mount, coyly rather than to hide it modestly. ‘Do battle,’ she cried ‘and fight hard, since I’ll not retreat an inch, nor turn my back. If you’re a man, attack me face to face; take aim; strike eagerly; kill me as you die. Warfare today admits no quarter.’
>So saying, she climbed onto the bed, tentatively settled on top of me, then plunged up and down repeatedly, with sinuous movements of her supple hips as she satiated me with the fruits of over-arching pleasure, until our energy flagged, our limbs grew slack, and we collapsed together exhausted, caressing each other and panting for dear life. We spent the whole night duelling like this, drinking wine now and then to ease fatigue, rouse our passion, and renew our pleasures, till a while before dawn. With that night for our model, we constructed many another just the same.
>>36114
Beauty is objective.
The progress of art usually gets mistaken for the quality of the art.
However this doesn't mean that things are not subject to opinion.
>>37527
I've tried to grow one many time, but I have so many bald spots on my face that it looks ugly.
>>35848
I can tell by her face shes one of those bratty fat young white girls thats always in a shitty mood
>>34951
I think you're confusing 'standards of beauty' and 'worthiness of marriage'. I don't think people generally cared too much about how beautiful their spouse was throughout much of history. Their lover, yes. But their husband or wife, no. There were simply more important things to consider when creating a legal union.
>>37943
>Beauty is objective.
Is that why I get hot when I see women with plates in their lips, foot binding, and neck rings?
>>36205
>woman managed to shoehorn religion, culture, and nationality into their ridiculous sexual endeavors.
>>38034
Guys do it too.
>>37888
>I’ve stretched my bow so tight, I’m afraid of the string breaking from the tensio
lel
Beauty standards may change. Probably they change as fashion changes. That doesn't mean you are not an unfuckable landwhale, or a beta kek.
>>38056
>waaaaa
>>34781
Standards of beauty have been literally the same for all of human history. You ever see any ancient Greek statues of lard-asses? Shit that takes real work and effort to make instead of some African mud-doll made in like an afternoon?
Don't listen to fat propaganda. It's always been unattractive and always will be.
>>36922
It wasn't teached to you was it?
>>38141
By wise long bearded men creating cripple/amputee threads.
>>37826
Honestly, I was just looking for an opportunity to use a "Fetish" pun
>>34889
didnt a bunch of these turn out to be bullshit?
>>35421
Oh my God I legitimately think that video just gave me cancer
Not only is the point bullshit, and not only did they have to hide that by barely transparently showing the comparison, but the video production, spastic, seizure-imitation cuts and model movements make my eyes go out of focus, and the music is godawful.
My God do I hate Buzzfeed. I want them to stop already, that was fucking terrible.
>>35421
>Egyptian girl is a Subsaharan African
>Half of those girls are objectively obese and have nothing to do with the beauty standard
>"Greek" girl is obese as fuck
>Rennaissance girl looks like she should be riding one of those fat scooters
>That landwhale at the end trying to do a Marilyn Monroe pose
>Heroin chic was just a fad, it was never a real beauty standard
I'm officially triggered
Except for the 1920s, 1960s, and modern chicks, which look the part, the others are simply dead wrong and laughable.
>>38281
Apuleius' Golden Ass Book 2
http://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/Apuleiushome.htm
what did women in the renaissance look like?
>>37888
>tell their wives that they were going to see the estate overseer, then sneak behind the slave quarters to jack off
>implying we still don't do this now
>>37970
>implying you're not defective
>taking tribal adornments with contextual beauty out of context
Anon your reddit is showing.
>>37436
Probably not unless you were specifically chosen to be fattened up for religious purposes. But your idea about it being an exaggeration is probably correct - they had no idea that being fat was bad, if anything they probably viewed it as healthy as you could support lots of babies with your fat and breasts.
>>35368
Sultan obviously didn't want some ugly or average girl for the harem
just gonna leave this goddess right here
>>36500
You have my attention. How'd we start taking the dirt path?
>>38056
[citation needed]
>>36798
>politics
>history
Anon, you can't learn history through politics, it doesn't work like that. You can however, learn history from google.
>>38514
>locked character.jpg
>>38514
>Negro di Milo
Do you mean ideal of beauty or just 'common' beauties?
>>38378
Cecilia Gallerani
>mistress of Ludovico il Moro, Duke of Milan
>painting by da Vinci
>>38632
>beauty is objective
>this doesn't mean that its not still subjective
wut
>>35958
We found many small statues like this. This wasn't just one single statue someone made when they were making fun of someone else in the tribe. The one in Germany is the most famous one but it's not an isolated phenomenon. This one was found in the Czec Republic for example.
>>36683
In the Netherlands it was common practise to cover your hair as a woman (from the countryside) until the 1960's. It's still done in some places
>>38741
Sorry, forgot to attach a picture.
>>35421
>Golden Age of Hollywood
>Landwhale
I think they've never seen a movie from the 40s.
>>38741
Maybe it was the earliest meme, traveled far and wide and transcended tribes and caves
>>38786
>>35944
The middle class is the same as its always been, bread and circuses. But the question is who are the nobles and who are the peasants?
>>36683
Women still have to cover their hair when entering churches in Orthodox Christianity.
>>37041
It's sometimes hard to put into perspective what an undertaking the metric system was.
Before it, we could not really rely on similarly named measurement units to be consistent in different areas or in different times. Now it's something we take as a given. Even the holdouts of imperial and US customary measurements are fixed to metric values, never to fluctuate again.
>>37017
My ex gf is a Japanese gril who majored in theatre, she told me for traditional Japanese plays they still wear the 12 layers of kimono and yes it's quite exhausting after a while having to go around on stage wearing all that, plus look up the tall-ass shoes they wore.
>>37147
No and breasts are fetishised to a certain extent in western culture and basically anywhere Abrahamic religions are practised. That's why you see pictures of American and African tribes where the women don't cover their chests, since as far as they are concerned breasts are for feeding babies and nothing else.
Sure, they signify sexual maturity but so does body hair and menstruation yet few people find those things attractive.
>>35206
>Google circassian beauty"
>see this
not too hot desu senpai
>>38741
Fertility doesn't necessarily correlate to beauty.
>>38741
Even south americans did something similar, though they're not that exaggerated with the femenine features.
Some also look like dicks from behind (with the woman's buttocks being the balls)
>>38922
PT Barnum had jungle fever
>>34781
Not really. There have been a few deviancies (foot binding, blackened teeth, powdered wigs, etc.) but most of those were limited to high society and by and large fairly universal beauty standards been the rule rather than exception.
>>38913
Did the japs secretly adopt that aspect of western culture as well? Because it seems every jap and their mom is obsessed with breasts.
And hey man, indigenous tribes of SA sometimes didn't wear anything at all, isn't it possible the relation is inverse? That common nudity desensitizes the individuals and that covering things up creates greater significance in their exposure?
>>34951
It's true.
When the poor worked in the fields and ate very little, skinniness and being tanned wasn't fashionable.
Now that the poor work indoors and eat lots but can't afford gym subscriptions or personal trainers, skinniness and being tanned is fashionable
>>35421
why does the last one look like a dude?
>>38967
That doesn't look obese.
>>34899
they did weird things with their eyebrows
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikimayu
>>39053
Do I have to remind you of the very current year?
ITS 2015, CMON
>>39050
>amputee porn
Etruscans, everyone
Would you poo in her loo, /his/?
>>38574
I too am interested
>>38872
Its the reason for the ridiculous church hats women would wear to church in the american south.
>>39050
>hair
What a slut.
>>39038
>Did the japs secretly adopt that aspect of western culture as well?
I'm not going to pretend that I have any sort of expertise on this, but Japanese culture did get fucked up by various interactions from the west from trading with the Dutch to getting rekt by Commodore Perry and their desperate attempts to modernise in the Meiji era to the post WW2 occupation by America.
>>36683
Technically in Corinthians in the bible it lists that women who do not cover their heads should have their heads forceably shaved
>>38968
/his/ is destined to great things, I can feel it, the potential within this embryo.
>>38966
Not exactly, but I wouldn't say it's an unfair assumption to say they associated fertility with beauty.
>>39245
Obese women like those in the idols aren't and weren't seem as beautiful by the majority of people because natal fertility isn't positively related to obesity. Obese women have risk pregnacies.
Fertility is in the sense of food abundance/wealth/good harvests would make way more sense when related to those idols.
>>37147
Minoan culture had women dressing in clothing that revealed their breasts entirely.
>>39429
desu we don't know if that represents women from the elite, priestesses or godesses.
>>39461
True, but it shows that there is at least one part of their culture that didn't consider breasts sexual.
Unless they were temple prostitutes or something.
>>39461
There seem to have been women athletes who competed solely in loincloths like the men, but then again, bull jumping may have had erotic implications.
>>39139
>>38574
Welp, hit up a decent library. Start looking up stuff on Charles II of Spain (Captain Inbred). I was just doing a paper on how Louis XIV was utilizing Charles II retardation to try and ninja the crown of Spain.
I ended up running into his many problems, one being if he could even consummate a marriage. Apparently he couldn't get hard, BUT it still took no effort to make him bust a nut. While flacid. It was awkward to read about, but this shit was important for remarriages.
From there, I just stumbled into other books with other topics and got all into this shit. I wish I remembered specific authors and such, but it's been five years fellas.
>>35421
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""desirably plump"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>39559
>The egyptian women used to shave their head and wear wigs
All egyptians, really. And not only the head.
>>38872
To keep men from being distracted away from God. In mosques, women have to pray behind the men on a higher stage, so the men can't see them at all.
>>38514
>Those brown soles
>>39559
Egyptians did it for pests and the heat.
>>39655
Probably to stop lice in that case.
>>38581
Circumcision, for instance.
>>34889
fertility =/= beauty
>>39050
Even the ancients knew about bitchy resting face
>>39858
Probably also to more easily cool the body in the desert
Also the whole purification aspect for the priestfolk
>>39901
Hygiene, we don't need it nowadays, but if you walk through a desert for months without bathing once, your dick will probably rot away from all the smegma on it.
Doing it nowadays is kinda ridiculous tho and indeed only server religious purposes.
>>39102
hell yeah I would
>>40027
There is such a thing as pulling the foreskin back, cleaning it with some spit and a cloth, and then continuing.
>>34889
cavemen confirmed HIGH TEST
>yfw all of us are the descendants of high test warrior-rapists
>>39245
Just like how male fertility idols have dicks that were literally incapable of penetrating anything smaller than a horse. As one anon said earlier, there's a reason they're called fetishes.
>>36441
Pretty close to modern ideas, except for dick size
>>37446
>the vulva projecting and fleshy
Interesting that people in old times were into roasties...
>>40119
You still need to clean that cloth once in a while. Water is a luxury in the desert.
I thought circumcision was more of a thing because you couldn't reverse it once it was done?
>>39608
>Bust a nut flaccid
What in the fuck
Like, was "Jizz In My Pants" written about Charles II? Jesus Christ.
I mean, I've never personally tried it, and you probably don't want to pass on those genes anyhow, but couldn't he like, j-j-jam it in senpai and do it anyways? I mean, if he can do it...
.....though I am curious as to how that had to do with anal sex. The history of Louis and Charles sounds interesting and I'm ignorant of it, so I'll definitely read up on it. I just fail to see how it's immediately relevant.
>>36683
Traditional Catholics and probably Orthodox Christians still wear headcoverings. In the bible it says it's improper for the hair of a woman to be showing when before God, so in church or when praying or something. Headscarves died out in Catholicism after Vatican 2 when the Church became someone protestantised and 'modernised' and old customs and traditions were essentially thrown out, although a significant proportion of Catholics still hold to the tradition (and it looks damn qt).
>>34899
>medieval Japan
they went straight from dark ages to industrial
>>35421
>'Healthy' Skinny.
cheeky fucks have to push their sjw shit in everything
>>40585
They are referring to the mons pubis, not the labia minora.
>>35421
most important question is who's the qt in the gif?
>>40826
If a marriage wasn't consummated, it could be nullified. Louis XIV married his granddaughter to Charles. Since she conveniently didn't speak Spanish, she basically had to have a French diplomat with her at all times (surprise he was a spy for Louis). He had to obtain the information of whether the marriage was consummated or not. She actually said it was, but this is also where I stumbled into some buttsex history.
Apparently it was expected that the man does ALL of the sex progression. He essentially is supposed to show the poor maiden virgin how to procreate. This is horseshit however, and plenty court girls had boyfriends, but they had to keep their virginity and play stupid (so it was buttsex and blowjobs as far as the eye could go if you were hooking up with royalty). She played stupid the whole time, and captain retard just sort of rubbed his junk on her rump with an embarrassing and immediate finish. For some reason she counted that as consummation.
>>40959
Protestants also covered hair.
Hair just became less and less problematic over time.
>>34781
Historical aesthetics coming through, smash the matriarchal control over 'beauty' standards.
Why is this board so fucking excellent? It's like the best parts of /tg/ and /k/ and /out/, all rolled into one.
[spoiler]How long do we have before it turns to shit?[/spoiler]
>>41486
>This is horseshit however, and plenty court girls had boyfriends, but they had to keep their virginity and play stupid (so it was buttsex and blowjobs as far as the eye could go if you were hooking up with royalty).
I'm going to need a source for this, please. [spoiler]History and technical virginity are my fetishes.[/spoiler]
>>35368
It's likely henna dye.
>>40826
You don't grasp how fucking inbreed and retarded charles II.
His uncle (or a duke, unsure now) literally went up and said "if he doesn't bathe himself, I will not come to court. Have a nice day" and then fucked off until he was forced to bath. Because he didn't.
>>41758
Goal body
>>35877
It's actually proven than men look at a woman's face before her body. As long as a woman isn't deformed, face generally > body.
It's a common misconception that the width of a woman's hips indicate the ease with which she will bear children. In fact, what we see externally is the "false pelvis". The pelvic inlet, or " true pelvis" is the space inside, which is unrelated to hip circumference. Waist to hip ratio is the best indicator of health, and fat stores on a woman's hips contain the best fatty acids for the development of a baby. That's probably why it's attractive.
>>40826
>>41933
The guy was mentally and physically completely fucked up because of inbreeding. This is how the guy looked, and we all have to wonder how much the artist 'cleaned up' in his painting.
The guy was a sad abomination.
>>41780
Like I said previously, it's been five years. Lost the harddrive I had my papers on.
But it's not too much of a guess. Do you think every court girl was pious? How else do you keep your virginity but still bang?
Only remember the author was British.
>>42071
iirc, a study showed wide hipped women gave birth to healthier and smarter children.
>>42106
5th generations inbred. I think it's like 24 or 28 of his direct relatives are on the same side of the family tree.
>>34889
>>40305
In the past, men also had much larger dicks that could actually find their way through all that fat.
>>38604
you could rent out that forehead to sharecroppers
>>41758
>you will never be that swole
>>42606
sure you will anon
just gotta eat big and lift big
>>40680
You can but it takes fucking years. YEARS.
>>42650
Explain
>>41758
The Ancient Greeks sure knew how to get /fit/
Feet are also very interesting. Men have always seemed to at least hold their women's feet up to a certain standard. That one anon who posted "Concerning Women who Deserve to be Praised" had that quote where the woman was expected to have "hands and feet of striking elegance"
The word choice is particularly interesting, where it isn't "Just don't have gross feet" it's actually feet of STRIKING elegance. In other cultures the women didn't just take care of their feet they specifically painted their nails (as in modern culture) or even bound them like in ancient China.
Cool to see that not only has the "Hourglass figure, decent face, nice tits/ass" standard held true, but also some of the appreciation of other parts of a woman's body.
does anyone have any knowledge on the preference of pale skin in asia in relation to colonialism? i know for example Japan & China have preferred pale skin for thousands of years (even before western influence) but what about SEA & the Indian subcontinent?
>>42706
Pull on your foreskin very hard every time you fap. It also helps to do it flacid too.
I'm still working on it but it's gotten longer.
>>42752
I didn't think I was the only person who had a foot fetish.
>>42752
Long, slightly muscular, but thin feet are the best thing.
>>42706
Pull your skin over the head over time. Apparently it works, but I never needed to try it. You'll never get the nerve endings back, though.
>>42791
I would guess it's the same as many other countries, that is, pale skin = high on the social ladder = good mating partner. You did just make me realize that I don't know how many western countries came to actually like tans, though. Does anyone have an explanation for that shit?
>>42831
Even between normalfags, feet are supposed to be the most common fetish of the uncommon ones. It has like a 40% of acceptance if not more.
>>42106
His wife tried to kill herself, because she didn't want to be married to a retard.
He yelled out. He only. Yelled. He didn't have an "Inside voice".
Until 16 or so (when his uncle/duke told him to fucking bathe) he wasn't groomed, or bathed or similar, and was allowed to get away with huge amounts of things since he was very, very retarded.
>>36205
>waxing/shaving becomes a big deal in European courts after Brazilian natives
Any source on that?
>>42886
right but my question is was this a result of colonialism or what is some that went back to ancient times?
i've heard the tanning phenomenon started with Coco Chanel getting a tan and making it fashionable, and eventually it became a symbol that you were rich enough to take vacations
>>42886
Tanning or not is mostly just a fad/side aspect.
You'll be considered attractive with our without it.
>>42958
>that first italy/roma/greece statue
>those perky tits underneath the clothing
my dick
>>42881
There's also mucous membranes on the inside of the foreskin that you'll never get back either. They kept the head supple, and sensitive.
>>40680
I don't fucking understand genital mutilation (female) or circumcision (male).
Who the fuck came up with it in the first place, and WHY was it incorporated into religion?
>>42791
I think it was because tanned skin was related with poor people who worked in hard labors.
I remember reading in the Bible, in Canticles, a poor girl saying he was sorry for having dark skin, because it was exposed so much at the sun while she was working.
>>43216
I'm circumcised, but I'm sure as hell not subjecting any sons I have to it.
>>43296
If you're american, your kids will get bullied for having intact dicks.
>>43216
it has something to do with health
but as I said in >>43011, I never really understood it.
How does severing the skin and nerves, thus making your dick dryer than the sahara desert; and making it not feel anything, help your health?
And why the hell is this ancient bullshit so famous in the states?
>>43315
WHY? I understand partial circumsisions in very select cases, when you have phimosis and shit... but being bullied for having a proper dick?
fuck whoever created this
>>36174
>powered white skin
Information disregarded.
>>43315
How will other kids know about my kid's uncircumcised penis?
>>43315
>implying
Being circumcised is already becoming an obsolete practice. Also girls prefer uncut dicks as well.
>>43411
penis inspection day
>>37157
it demonstrated that you could treat yourself to big dinners as opposed to just scraping by
>>43476
>Oh right, I forgot americans don't shower after PE.
I'm sure the football team always took group showers though
>>43514
In America they don't have sex ed because protestants, they just inspect their penises once every month
>>43550
>inspect their penises once every month
HOLY FUCK
HOW DO THEY PUT UP WITH THIS?
>>43589
I mean, this is dicks we're talking about... it's private stuff.
Is there something similar, but for girls?
>>43421
It's just a passing trend.
>>43656
>As of next year
fucking lmao
>>43656
Penis Inspection Day is an ancient meme, rarely seen these days.
I can't find my screencaps of it, but I'm pretty sure it's at least 10 years old.
I'm just gonna inject with a link here on the whole circumcision thing. It's an article that explains a lot about it.
madsciencewriter.blogspot in/2013/05/the-foreskin-why-is-it-such-secret-in.html
>>43729
I got an abstinence spiel about how condoms break, STDS are the worst thing ever and the only way to perfectly protect yourself is by not having sex = you shouldn't have sex until after you're married.
ITT: The misconception that royals and nobles represent attractiveness.
Yes, they look inbred, because they were inbred. That's why finding an attractive one used to be a difficult thing back in the day. Peasants legitimately would have looked better.
>>43801
That's really terrible. Here we got CONDOMS, CONSENT, DON'T THINK REALITY IS LIKE PORN FILMS.
>>34781
>Does our modern version conflict?
It might. I don't think in the history of man has a human over 300lbs ever been considered "beautiful", let alone exist.
There were issues like food scarcity and plagues. People could not exist as sedentary blobs in denial of their own self-destruction.
>>43801
Mine was pictures of STDs on both men and women, followed by "Condoms don't protect against these, because there are microscopic holes in the latex that are too small for sperm, but the diseases can still get through no problem. Also, condoms are almost guaranteed to break, and birth control doesn't work at all, so it's best not to have sex at all, unless you want your bits to turn black and fall off in the shitter."
>>34781
>What were some interesting eras of standards of beauty?
Chinese Clothing was funny
>200's BC-500's AD =Conservative. Figure of a woman hidden by clothes. No cleavages allowed. No bare shoulders allowed.
>600's-900's; (T'ang Golden Ages) = Roaring 20's: Imperial China style. Curves were in, Cleavages a must. Exposed your nape and shoulders all you want.
>900's onward (Fall of T'ang Dynasty, end of golden age) = Back to Conservativism. Because Moralists going MUH DEGENERACY over T'ang Women.
>>42106
I really feel sorry for the guy. Completely unprepared and unable to do the job that was basically forced on him.
>>43924
>close your mouth
She should try it herself.
>>42106
If you google "Hapsburg Jaw" you can see lots of examples of this kind of stuff. Although he was far, far, worse off than most of the others.
Dude was level 5 imbred (I'm not making this up)
>>36773
I'm going to research the fuck out of this statue.
>>38604
I want to ves her pucci
>>42915
So, he was CWC's past incarnation? Too bad there was no internet and he was royal blood
>>42958
I don't disagree with the overall point, but it shouldn't try to pass of venus figurines as a hoax. Many of the figurines have been found. Their meaning is obviously debatable.
>>38378
Nobody knows. There were no painters to record it
>>43476
>PE
Are you British? Showering after sports/PE is an American thing, does not happen in Britain.
>>43964
That's interesting. Where did you learn about Chinese history ?
>>44183
Scandinavian. Recently had a discussion on /int/ with some anglos who didn't get time to shower after PE or were too prude to do it with their classmates.
>>42958
Hate that font, hate that rhetoric
>>42106
>The physician who practiced his autopsy stated that his body "did not contain a single drop of blood; his heart was the size of a peppercorn; his lungs corroded; his intestines rotten and gangrenous; he had a single testicle, black as coal, and his head was full of water."
Amazing he managed to keep going for as long as he did.
>>43964
Fig 1, 8, 11, 17 and 21 are qts
>>38514
>textureglitch.jpg
>>44342
19 looks the best IMO
>>34889
There's my standard of beauty right there.
>>44292
I used to do it since year 8 with my underwear on, like everyone in my school at the time did. Then I changed schools, and suddenly it was weird to not be nude. Also, most people never took showers in my school from years 11-12, either because they'd have no time or because it was just before going home and showering anyways.
t. Portuguese guy (was in a German-language posh school from years 8-10)
>>44407
that pose makes her look cute
>>44436
the hips are amazing, too
>>44428
>with my underwear on
That's going full retard.
>>44469
agreed
>>44342
5 is my waifu.
>>44342
Elaborate?
>>44521
They're just cute
>>43964
>browsing about foot-binding
Holy shit, what was that fucking abomination. Glad they got rid of that tradition.
Alright, see you tomorrow, anons.
I had a lot of fun in this thread.
>>43760
Fuck me for having been born in the 90s
>>44600
Yeah, fucking why.
it's not beautiful and it hurts
>>42722
Imagine being born a Greek noble and spending your entire life getting swole. Your entire life is dedicated to getting bigger and bigger because you are obligated to be the leader and best warrior. Imagine all those puberty gains.
>>44637
Persians? FUAAAAARK
>>44635
It was a status symbol. Someone who's feet are bound like that sure as hell can't work in a field, or anywhere else. It tells everyone else that you can afford to have a completely useless person in your household. Women with bound feet were nothing but glorified exotic pets.
>>44704
That's horrible.
>>44600
Yeah, the clothes they wore were kind of qt but that's just weird.
>>43315
No they won't, oversensitive parents think they will, though.
>>44613
I just hope this board doesn't just crash in traffic once the novelty fades away. At least it's been set that it wont be a place for totally-not-/pol/ to try to revise history to blame minorities for the current issues of the world.
