What would happen if Israel was never created and all Jewish refugees after WW2 were just integrated back into western society and compensated for their loses in other ways. Would the middle east still be the shit show it is today?
Bonus points cuz I'm bored. What if the UN/whoever drew the borders for the middle east respected their unique views on what constitutes a natures borders and not all countries have to be a fucking nation state and left them alone.
>>347272
Of course it would be. Arab violence isn't caused by Israel, it is caused by Arabs being backwards.
>>347272
>Would the middle east still be the shit show it is today?
Yes but for different reasons. Even if you take the jews out of the equation you still have shia and sunnis wanting to kill each other.
>>347283
Its the only pic that isnt bait or porn and im too lazy to find an appropriate pic.
How come Shia and Sunni muslims cant co-exist
>>347304
Muh Muhummad is the correct Muhummad.
>>347304
Because it's two guys pointing at eac other while screaming "heretic" in the classic sense.
>>347293
You're forgetting about the west treating it as a service station
>>347272
>Jewish refugees after WW2 were just integrated back into western society
Europeans would still be trying to kill Jews
>>347341
Daily reminder that none of this Israeli, or petroleum fuel war bullshit would've happened if the British hadn't left.
>>347272
It would still be shitty, but not as shitty. You can see in places far-removed from Palestine (like Yemen) that Arabs find it hard to settle their differences peacefully. But the non-existence of Israel would remove the motivation for a lot of violence.
>>347365
Wouldnt that be just how that region would be without intervention? Just a bunch of tribes ocassionally kicking each others asses and constantly gaining and losing land. Kinda like pre world war 1 Europe constantly fighting.
See image.
>>347376
If we totally gave up on all intervention the region would probably get conquered by one of the bigger Arab states.
>>347376
Perhaps. However, it would probably eventually coalesce into ethno-religious nation-states like Europe did.
>>347407
>Implying western nations get "conquered" anymore
>Implying a western nation will ever see total war on their soil ever again
Well, there would be no Palestinian refugee problem (or there might be one but it wouldn't be attributable to Western colonialism), which means there's no external enemy to rally Arabs and possibly Muslims against. This can either go in more shitty or less shitty way, since it would mean either more internal conflicts within the Arab world and/or more efforts of reforms within the region countries. Since there would be no 1948 and 1967 debacles it also means Arab ego wouldn't be as devastated, and secular-ish regimes can keep on doing their thing without the threat of takeover or actual takeover by Islamist movements. The third factor is that there would be no oil shock following the Kippur War: there might of course still be one after Islamic Revolution in Iran (which would still happen IMO as Israel was not a major variable there), or energy prices remain low, which means Gulf countries have considerably less dosh to appease the population with instead of democratic reform.
As a result of those things you're likely to see something like the Arab Spring a lot sooner, which again can go either way: it might be crushed utterly since there's significantly less Western influence in the region (no Israel->no media attention->nobody cares) and no Islamic powers to manipulate it, or it might succeed and usher in more democracy in the Arab world. In geopolitical terms, it means the ME remains rather unified, probably under the leadership of Egypt (assuming Nasser still does his bit), and/or Iran (which is not a problem since Sunni radicalism is not a thing). This development would make the region look something like India in terms of internal politics and would be either aligned with USSR/Russia or would remain non-aligned (the latter more likely since this is where Nasser was heading).
So in conclusion, no Israel could either be kinda bad for the region or very good.
t. Israeli
>>347272
Israel is just one of many problems in the middle east
shitty foreign policy as well.
To say all the problems are created by the west is ridiculous, but they have had a huge hand in it by acting selfishly.
>>347328
>>347304
They did until America fucked over the Baathist's. Most of the fighting in the Middle East has nothing to do with religion, no one gives a fuck about what you believe in.
The fact is that either Turkey or Iran is the natural hegemon of the levant, and since America chimped out in Iraq and overthrew the buffer zone, they are too close for comfort
>>347376
What's inside the Muslim cube that they worship it like this?
>>347959
The Marker
>>347959
there is some form of rare metal/element located inside of a meteorite that hit that location and was then sheltered
some speculate that the ore (or whatever it is) has beneficial properties when exposed to it up close
>>347272
Chances are high that the US would have picked another favourite country and start shit everyone else to maintain control over the oil.
>>348075
They've got the Gulf States already. They buy way more military tech and host way more troops than Israel does.
>>347272
The middle east would have still been a shit show. To ensure a good middle east you need to go back and somehow prevent the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. That and the collapse of the Russian and Austrian empire created the shitshows currently knows as the Balkans, eastern Europe and the Middle east
>>347951
>Turkey
spelt saudi wrong
Middle Eastern crises would have been different as Nasser probably would have been more successful. However the History of the middle east would still be pretty bloody, just in different ways with different conflicts.
Also the jews couldnt be integrated back into society, no one actually wanted them back, in half the places they were still getting killed after the holocaust finished. Israel was a convenient solution for the jews and the western powers.
