Is this map and the popular concensus of the size of the Mongol Empire legitimate or is this the result of historians just fluffing up the Mongols accomplishments?
>>310800
It wasn't one giant united mass
>>310800
It was the full extent of the Mongol conquests but it wasn't all ruled by a single Khan, it just wouldn't have been practical.
where did the "finland was raped by mongols" meme come from if the never occupied that area?
>>310837
Butthurt Swedes mostly I think. They had eugenics in public schools all the way to the 70s.
>>310838
> They had eugenics in public schools all the way to the 70s.
So did the finns.
>>310837
Sweden being a left-wing shithole that bends over and gets fucked regularly by blacks and Muslims have caused Swedes to develop an inferiority complex towards it's neighbours. Jealous of ethnic homogeneity and whiteness of Finland, they slander Finns as being Mongol rapeseeds.
>>310837
Fanny flustered swedes and the idiots who can't do 10 seconds worth of research
>>310837
Finns are an uralic people, who partly descend from the same ancestral stock as mongols.
>>310800
Much of the short lived united Mongol Empire's size is based on
1) Territories they actually held (i.e. China, Persia, Central Asia
2) Tributaries.
Take for example: Mongs never made a serious attempt to invade Korea, nor ruled. It was enough for them to rule China to boss Korea around. So it was a part of the Mongol Empire.
>>310881
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Korea
GIT
GUD
FGGT
>>310877
Pre Temujin Mongols never lived anywhere near the Ural mountains
>>310884
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Korea
....and left it with a puppet Korean King. My point really.
When conquering China, foreign dynasties just make short invasion of Korea and Korea falls in like bitches. Mongs did this, the latter Manchus did.
>>310891
SIX
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>>310889
What part of "ancestral stock" don't your understand?
>>310894
aaaand still no Mong governor over Korea.
Some areas of the Mongol Empire were just left to puppet Kings. Check out Russia's "Tatar Yoke" for instance.
>>310899
>Some areas of the Mongol Empire were just left to puppet Kings. Check out Russia's "Tatar Yoke" for instance.
So?
If they were to rule such a huge extension of land, puppet realms were necessary.
The Mongol Empire was mostly a tributary empire. Thats not surprising considering the non-sedentary lifestyle of the mongols.
>>310911
Yes but the Map implies they ever solidified those rules as opposed to just plain tributary.
>>310889
neither did the Karlings and they're still considered Indo-European even though they never lived anywhere near the caucasus steppes
>>310837
Some Finns have slanty eyes, so people started associating them with Asian rape and/or Down's. The meme developed from there.
>>310896
Finns have little to no mongoloid DNA
Idiot swede
>>310946
Bullshit
>>310950
Jesus you're a bit thick, aren't you?
I'm not saying the admixture is recent and due to the mongol invasions you stupid faggot. I'm saying that finns have ancient admixture (think thousands of years ago) of proto-mongol peoples.
>>310800
This is probably fluffed up by very tenuous 'tributaries'. I doubt the Mongols literally conquered that land up to modern Saint Petersburg
Here's one.
>>311253
Yes, untill 1259 when Mongke died.
Kublai Khan was the first Great Khan not to have total control over all Khanates.
>>310899
The mongs were just 1-2 million during the Mongol empire, they woulnd't be able to rule it like the romans.
Also most of their population was raised to be cavalry warriors, instead of scholars and alike.
>>311119
Novgorod was conquered in a diplomatic way, when all other principalities were conquered by the mongols the novgorodians also started paying tribute to them out of fear.
>>310806
exactly. if that's your game, might as well say the Eastern Roman Empire never fell
>>312371
Western I mean
![3-550[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eCScUTV.jpg "3-550[1].jpg")
>>310806
Here is what you wanted to see:
Mongol Empire under Möngke, who had full control of it.
It doesn't have all of china because the song were only conquered after his death.
