>"The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the United States reactionaries use to scare people. It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't." - Mao Tse-tung
How do you respond?
>>306184
Ask if he wants to test that theory on his people.
>>306184
Th fact that MacArthur came pretty damn close to using them on China I'd tell him to try his luck
>>306221
He pretty much did that.
>>306221
the quote is about the korean war
>>306184
Mao, you're dead.
Go back to sleep.
>>306221
Both the Soviets and the US were desperately trying to stop China from getting the bomb because Mao was very open about his desire to start a global nuclear holocaust so as to wipe the earth clean and repopulate it with Han.
There's the old quote that goes something to the effect of "Pfft, so what if you nuked 300 million of my ants? I've still got like 700 million more".
>>306184
Mass death probably is a paper tiger to a man who killed millions in a country with little industry to blow up.
A nuke is really just a really big bomb. It can't destroy an entire country, and not even a moderately sized city. It also doesn't somehow magically turn everything around the explosion zone into a radiated wasteland.
The real danger of nukes is when you have hundreds and thousands of them, but a single nuke isn't nearly as powerful as it's depicted in popculture.
>>306255
>and not even a moderately sized city. It also doesn't somehow magically turn everything around the explosion zone into a radiated wasteland.
are you sure about these things?
>>306184
The real atom bomb was Mao pham
200 years ago there weren't even as many people in the world as there are just Chinese or Indians today.
>>306184
Mouse Dung was a crazed idiot. He really did want to start nuclear war. He told the Soviets it would be worth killing most of his country if it killed the West. Causing the Sino Soviet split.
>>306272
Not him, but he's right. Deaths from nuclear strikes are almost all in the initial explosions, not from the fallout, and the air blast zone, even with thermonuclear weapons, is "only" in the single digit miles radius.
You do get a lot of over-hype of the things, when I was in high school, I lived in Great Neck, New York, and I had a history teacher tell me with a solemn face that if a nuke hit NYC, we'd all be dead here. It's just not true.
>>306272
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
>>306305
Is that taking into account advances in bomb-making since the 40s? Cos I can see how that would be true of Atom Bombs, but Thermo-nuclear ICBMs? Not so sure anymore
>>306316
>>306313
Beat me too it, go look at the nukemap, try a Tsar Bomba over NYC.
Now, you will get a spread of radiation over most of Long Island, and it would extend into Great Neck, but radioactive fallout isn't an instant death sentence, and for many, it won't be a death sentence at all; Uranium and Plutonium don't decay that fast or that much, which is why they release all that energy so explosively.
>>306330
OK, you've made your point about explosions, and the immediate effects of fallout. I don't want to be accused of moving the goalposts, I just want to move on. What about things like EMPs caused by the blasts? That has the potential, especially in this day and age, to add more than a bit of insult to injury than the explosion, which even with a 'short' range would be wiping out key infrastructure if targeted properly.
>>306184
For China that's probably true. In 1952 I don't think the US had the capability to destroy its government though nuclear means alone.
>>306226
Did MacArthur want to nuke China or just use strategic bombing? I thought it was the latter.
>>306381
I doubt China would have had the will nor capability to fight in Korea once every major city no longer had any structure above 6 feet standing.
>>306293
>He told the Soviets it would be worth killing most of his country if it killed the West.
Lol fuck no.
The Sino Soviet Split is caused by the Soviets wanting to lord over the Communist world. Only that China -both Nationalist and Communist- based their justification of rule over the Chinese based on whitey not treating them like shit anymore. Therefore PRChina viewed Soviet interference with their shit as a nuisance -a different form of European colonialism if you will. In the end Chinese -and all Asian Communists really- communism is based more on nationalist ideals and not on LE INTERNATIONALE BROTHERHOOD OF WORKERS.
It must be noted that Stalin *did* not want a China united under communism as he did not want Communism to have two heads. He was right as that was the case. Maoism was enticing to poor communists due to its message (i.e. "peasants are the basis of class struggle in our case"), as much of them -African and Asian Communists- are agrarian economies. As opposed to mainline Euro Communism which is based on the urban working class, which European Reds and Latams followed.
So when the Sino-Soviet split happened, you have Asian/some African Communists (sans Vietnam and NK) rallying under the Chinese banner while Euros and Latams stayed with the USSR.
When you have a billion gooks ready to die for you you don't fear 10 million or so casualties
>>306389
He was prepping to nuke it before he got fired
>>306394
Mao didn't care. He was willing to use Fabian tactics and sacrifice most if not all the border regions and coastal areas (to nuclear holocaust) and move to the interior heartland like the Nationalists did. His reasoning was that they couldn't nuke everything and also was informed by own experiences during the Chinese Civil War as a guerilla leader.
How did the USSR get nukes after WWII?
>>306923
Mao wasn't an idiot either. He would know that weathering a prolonged nuclear bombardment would do China more harm than good. They would probably lose Korea no matter what and be bombed back to the stone age for their trouble.
>>306954
They had a massive amount of spies in the manhatten project, some captured Nazis helped too I think.
Mao seriously didn't give a fuck about human life.
China lost more soldiers in the Korean War than the USA lost in World War 2.
>>306184
Maos a smart dude. He minimilized the threat of nuclear war, in a time when everyone was shitting their pants at the idea of it. It gave him more leverage in diplomacy with other powers, because their nuclear card was nullified, at leaSt in theory.
>>306978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ml82lc7s&t=1h39m
Call him a mouth breathing malnourished retard like he is
>>306964
He didn't think the Americans had enough nukes.
>They would probably lose Korea no matter what and be bombed back to the stone age for their trouble.
He wasn't thinking about Korea in references to getting nuked. He was thinking about WW3. He was willing to sacrifice large parts of China for a Communist victory over America, which he viewed as the global hegemon following the WW2 and chief threat to international communism.
>>307017
What is this supposed to mean? Anon was talking about the PRC in the Korean War, and the video is talking about a sad story from Vietnamese civilian casualties.
>>306226
Is it a meme or did MacArthur just want to nuke everybody?
>>306184
La Chinoise
One of my favorite movies
Be prepared to true cinema, not The avengers.
>>306254
>le mao killed 50 gorillion meme
>>306313
I know everything is bigger in the USA, but it's barely the rule. I checked the B-83 in my moderated sized city and the fireball reaches most of it, with the overall radius covering the entire city and almost all of my county (well, the equivalent). Even the french and paki ones are enough to rekt all the city, and even touch the neighbour towns.
>>306978
>Mao seriously didn't give a fuck about human life.
Yet he devoted his life to efforts that increased the lifespan, health, and size of the whole population, developing communal agricultural practices that stopped starvation after the three bad years (the last bad famine China ever had and the first when starvation wasn't common despite the meme), and developing direct democracy geared towards the common and not land-owners. For someone who didn't give a fuck about human life he did a shit job of actually doing anything to that end.
>>306984
This, really.
>>306389
Well he saw the nuke as a strategic bomb. He wanted to use nuclear bombs like he would any other weapon and thought of them through the lens of conventional warfare
>>306247
>start a global nuclear holocaust so as to wipe the earth clean and repopulate it with Han.
deep down inside, every chink still wants this.
>>306184
>shit, the goyim know
>>309351
You're trying to defend the Great leap forward when even the CCP has distanced itself from the disaster? Really?
I would kind of agree that Mao achieved some limited industrialization of China, but I feel thats more of a natural consequence of the communists emerging as the sole political power after a 50 year period of chaos.
>>309321
40 Million people.
I'd ask you to quit excusing that monstrous ogre's bodycount with 'le meme' shiteposting
>>309395
>assigning moral value to historical actions
>>306385
It's fake. Nukes are bullshit
>>306434
>Africa
>agrarian
How to Discredit Your Opinion: The Post
>>309395
That's bullshit you fucking Tory. It's proven that China has had famines since the British messed up their irrigational systems during the Boxer war
>Monster
He had none of his enemies killed. He gave the former emperor a job as a librarian.
>>309449
wew lad
>>306184
This is a nice article on it
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/north-korea-mao/
Read about it and cry you fucking losers
>>306305
>I lived in Great Neck, New York, and I had a history teacher tell me with a solemn face that if a nuke hit NYC, we'd all be dead here. It's just not true.
You do know they scaled up the nukes since Hiroshima right? If your history teacher was referring to little boy or fatman, yes they're out of their mind. But if they're referring to the czar bomb, New York would be completely wiped off the map.
>>306221
China had no standing cities in 1950, Mate. They intervened literally less than a year after the end of Chinese Civil War, before which China had been in some type of war since 1916. Mao did not give a damn. The power base was in countryside, not in cities. Beyond basic rifles, rations and uniforma, all military stuff came from USSR. The whole view of "cant fight without cities" is an absurd Anglo-American conception of war. Japan had no cities in 1945 due to fire bombings destroying 80/90 major cities. They still could defend the land.
>>309464
Literal garbage.
>>309351
mao pls
>>309485
This. Mao was dumb at a lot of things, but he was a smart general.
The Anglo-American conception of war is that your enemy will be negated without their major cities, but that's because THEY THEMSELVES would be negated without their major cities, because they bring their industrial base to produce power projection.
Let's say that Shanghai, Beijing, Harbin, Nanjing, Guangzhou and Chonqing all get wiped off the map.
And at the same time, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, Chicago and Washington D.C. get wiped out.
Who's in a better position to supply and support a war in Korea after that exchange?
>>309377
You're confusing Mao-era CCP for what followed the Deng-era CCP. The Post-Cultural Revolution CCP distanced itself from the Great Leap Forward and other Mao-era programs for purely ideological considerations. It allowed them to have a "fresh start" with diplomatic relations and most importantly created an ideological ground in which to pursue capitalist reform (Socialism with Chinese Characteristics), hence the Gang of Four.
Westerners have never had an actual number on which they agreed about "how many were killed by Mao", by which they mean how many people died, not specifying how they did. Even if you take 40 million as a number, we're talking about a population of 500 million, maybe 400. In fact, the earliest estimates place deaths at 17-30 million. But these are based on analyses of shoddy data. The Mao-era (not Mao himself -- this omnipresent demagogue myth is the main problem it's impossible for people to get their head right regarding China, which is huge) did achieve significant industrialization, including rail-roads and other transportation methods that made transport of surplus grains in areas lesser/not affected by the famine easy, and the social cohesion of collectivized farming communities following the war was very strong.
The fact is that private farming practices led to massive starvation every time it occurred because not only is food not growing in floods and droughts but all the food that was harvested belongs to a hoarding land-owner that sold it off. The experience in collectivized farming was night and day: the famine conditions of what westerners call 'the great Chinese famine' resulted in deaths but they were rare- the millions dead doesn't corroborate with actual experience, reinforced by how popular Mao still is in the country-side especially. We've all been given baseless assertions about what actually happened during the GLF and Chinese History in general honestly.
>>309466
Go look up the nukemap. Even a 50 megaton bomb dropped at where the Twin Towers used to be (what better ground zero) won't have an airburst that reached Great Neck.
>>309719
The nukemap is fake
A 50 megaton nuke is the same as a 10 megaton nuke btw. Square cube law means it hits dimishing returns far quicker
>>309727
>The nukemap is fake
And on what basis are you asserting this?
>A 50 megaton nuke is the same as a 10 megaton nuke btw. Square cube law means it hits dimishing returns far quicker
Oh, I realize, but as far as I know, 50 megatons was the largest nuke ever actually detonated, and far more powerful than a Fat Man or a Little Boy.
If that bomb dropped in Manhattan won't wipe out Great Neck, nothing will.
>>309449
>muh grorious reader did nothing wrong!!!!
>>309735
A leaked email by S. Slater, who was in the "Business", which is what they call the people who plan nuclear attacks
>http://www.giantbomb.com/fallout-3/3030-20504/forums/nuclear-warfare-101-wall-of-text-alert-2999/
It's a pretty interesting read
Hydrogen bombs came out just after the korean war. They could vaporize a mile, incinerate up to 4 miles, and poison all the land in a ten mile circle. If wind is bad there are records of nuclear tests where civilians 80 miles away nearly died from radiation poisening.
>>309588
>says the unironic maoist
>>309773
So in other words, they actually will wreck anyone's shit as long as you drop a few small bombs rather than one large bomb.
>>309806
>says the unironic liberal
>>306184
He's right in saying that it is a scare tactic.
>Shock and Awe
Buuuuut anyone who would dismiss it as being just that is insane.. There's always more atom bombs to instantly decimate another 20k lives. Also consider that the blast radius and intensity of these weapons has only gotten stronger over time(naturally).
In conclusion Mao Tse-tung was either delusional or trolling
>>309844
liberals are the ones who think the cold war ended friend.
>>309870
I don't think anyone said otherwise buddy.
>>309751
I've only read part one so far, but it's far from impressive, and has a lot of assumptions with no given basis, as well as just flat out inaccuracies.
>A society devastated by nuclear fire may rebuild, but will bear no resemblance to its original society.
How do you know this? Going back to China, since he likes talking about it, the Three Kingdoms period saw a reduction in Chinese population of about 72%, over almost a hundred years of war. That didn't "destroy" the cultural concept of China, and the Jin dynasty, while weaker materially, was very much a successor of the Han.
>Non-nuclear states do not have the same risk of destruction.
Especially if you're parsing destruction in the sense of a loss of national/political/cultural identity, then I hate to break it to you, but peoples got destroyed all the time before nukes came around, and people tended to either play cautiously or get wiped out.
And I don't know, compare how he "analyzed" the Yom Kippur war vs the Vietnam war, about how risk of nuclear death affected each. He contradicts his own point about how Israel can't afford to win, because they're a nuclear state and thus fair game. After all, if that was the case, then the U.S. should be able to afford to "win" in Vietnam by expanding the war, because Vietnam had no nukes. The common factor in each example was the U.S./Soviet nuclear deadlock, not the nuclear status of the smaller ancillary states involved.
It's interesting, don't get me wrong, but it seems rather flawed so far.
>>309887
so what are you saying amigo.
>>306313
>be more than 20 miles from boston
>tsar bomba (100mt)still puts me in the kill range
fucking hell it extends all the goddamn way to Providence and Nashua
fuck nukes holy hell
>>306313
>largest chink nuke is 5mt
>largest US nuke is 1.8mt
>largest russian nuke is 800kt
why do we have these fucking things, and why the fuck does china have nukes that powerful
>>309943
America has better missile guidance.
The warhead doesn't need to be that big when you put it right on the money.
The largest warhead tested by the Russians was 50mt and the largest tested by the Americans was 15mt.
>>309956
yes the tsar bomb, so fucking massive and destructive the soviets vowed never to make another one
did we make a second mike and bravo?
Drop nukes in a circle around the city he's in.
Name a bomb Paper Tiger and drop it on him.
>>309969
Nah.
Dial-a-yield warheads in the high kiloton/low megaton range are perfectly fine for what we want to do with our arsenal.
>>309956
We should build and test a bomb with the originally intended yield of Tsar Bomba (100mt), and name it Dominance.
Just for fun.
>>306184
They easily killed 250,000 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the 1940s. A more relentless use of the technology available just a few years later when this quote was taken probably would've shut Mao up quick.
>>310222
Less than half that. Hiroshima got 80,000, and Nagasaki a bit over 40,000.
>>306330
The Tzar bomb is not a typically used weapon in nuclear war.
>>309412
Yet your entire ideology revolves around people being "oppressed"
>>309443
A lot of african economies were mainly agrarian/primary, fuckmutt.
>>306184
"You've convinced me."
I'm not about to backtalk Mao, he'll have me killed.
Nuclear winter is not real
>>306184
By dropping an atom bomb on Beijing.
>>311031
Precisely my point. It is literally the most powerful nuclear weapon ever tested.
Which means that if even that, "detonated in NYC would kill us all here" is a false statement, there really isn't any viable nuke where that is the case.
Which means my teacher's statement is just flat out wrong.
>>309395
>Economic accident
>Genocide
>>306184
Then why were you sinking a massive percentage of your GDP into developing nuclear technology, Mao?
>>309860
It's clear that he was desperate to own nuclear weapons. The fact that China did not possess them in the early stages of his regime were a source of embarrassment and frustration that was covered up by a feigned contempt for the technology.
>>311910
Why do people keep posting pictures of Bruce Willis?
>>309751
Those e-mails are from 2002, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean nukemap, but some far simpler and earlier tool. Nukemaps original version was made in 2012, current version was made in 2013 and since then it has had some updates. It has it's limitations due to lack of topographic model, but since most big cities aren't built on massively uneven terrain it reasonably accurate.
>>306184
>you will never nuke the gooks
>>306184
We'll never use it again since because human rights, but if we're talking realpolitik here, a state MUST have nukes to be taken seriously. It's like a badge of honor almost.
>Hey, ICBMs? I bet you have a spess program!
>Nuclear energy? Isn't it great to not be a backward savage burning peat and dying in mines?
>Whoa, your nation must have hyooman rites if'n the 'Merkans let y'all have a nuke
By reminding everyone that China is the biggest paper tiger in world history and is the embodiment of the term
>>309710
You are fucking retarded.
>>306184
Tell that to Nagasaki and Hiroshima
>>312423
this desu
Sour grapes.
>>312508
Nice refutation. Really in-depth on how he's wrong.
>>312508
>getting trigg'd
>>311910
the only thing he was right about desu
If China is a world superpower right now it is thanks to communist policies and industrialization
Were lives lost in the race?
Yeah, and?. Americans kill millions of people every year in the middle east. But nobody talks about that.
>>314901
b-b-but capitalism works guys
>>314934
b-b-b-b-bb-ut free market's invisible hand!
b-but china is neocapitalistic nao!
He's kind of right due to the threat of mutually assured destruction since they would never really do it, but it's still not something to write off entirely.
>>314901
>millions in the middle east
lol not even close you fucking butthurt arab
try around 200,000 over the course of over a decade
>>314901
China is generally a shithole though, and its citizens are poor and mostly uneducated.
They may pump out a few intellectuals, but most of them are poor farmers and blue collar workers.
>>314901
>>314934
>>314901
>millions every year
We wish.
>>315005
>per capita
U.S. isnt even top 5 in per capita. Net gdp is all the U.S. has.
>>306184
Don't worry, Mao killed more of his own people than the U.S. ever killed anyone with nukes.
>>315422
>Don't worry, Mao killed more of his own people than the U.S. ever killed anyone
>with nukes.
:)
>>314901
>but nobody talks about that
Mother of god can you be this retarded?
Also if we killed millions every year that would be over 20 million people. an estimated .5-1.5M have died in syria and less have died in Iraq and afghanistan
>>315385
>all the countries above the US are oil rich, bankers, or other market economies
>US is still 8th richest country per capita out of 193
>US is world's third most populous country and still manages to be absurdly rich
All I'm getting here is that communists should be killed.
>>306305
>Great Neck
Which high school is this, North or South? Also it depends on the actual bomb that was thrown.
>>312354
2 nukes clearly were not enough
also why is this board so slow
>>315971
Protip: official exchange rate is 1 RMB for .16 cents.
>>309719
>a single nuke
Reminder that pic related is a single missile and each of those warheads is 20 times the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. Now imagine an entire arsenal of those missiles if it wasn't for those pesky disarmament treaties.
>>306184
I would argue that almost everything Mao ever said in public was carefully written to make China's communist party seem stronger to those outside and living in China at the time. At the same time though the existence of more then one country with nuclear weapons make nuclear weapons pointless and unusable due to the M.A.D effect still being in play, no one in any government is crazy enough to use nuclear weapons even countries like North Korea and Iran, they only seem crazy as a way to get what they want in agreements and deals, they're given more power then they have by scaring people with the whole, 'we're crazy!' Routine.
>>306184
He's right, people just like to jerk each other off about how bad the bombs were despite being less effective than traditional bombing campaigns of the time. They were much quicker, though.
I wish we still just chopped each other up with swords. Better times.
>>316036
what the fuck are disarmament treaties going to do?
no one is going to ever relinquish nuclear weapons, literally the only exception being that of Safrica.
the genie is out of the bottle.
>>309351
Sup Xi Jinping
>>306184
I'd agree with him because during that time nuclear bombs were neither plentiful nor available via ICBM delivery. You'd have to fly them over by way of B-29 and drop the few that you had on strategic targets.
To a country the size of China the only effective use of nukes back then would be area denial, cutting them off from the Korean peninsula. Nuking their cities would barely scratch their population before we started mass production of the bomb.
On another note, how the fuck are there so many Chinese despite the fact they've genocided themselves and been genocided by others time and time again throughout history?
>>310237
Hiroshima was 140 000 out of the population of 200 000
>>317039
lol no, try around 120,000-160,000 for both cities
he said that because he knew the us would never use its bombs
>>309837
enter the MIRV
>that guy who survived both Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>>309366
They just want to be able to use their sweet kung fu powers without being shot.
>>314901
>millions
>>309427
This is a new one. What do you mean anon?
>>306184
Sure the Atom bomb ain't much, but the Hydrogen bomb is pretty fucking scary
>>316996
china and india have huge amounts of arable land from all the rivers and a good climate that they used which lead to large populations
