why didn't we (by we, the americans) forcibly integrate the native americans instead of pushing them off more and more of their land?
>>305436
Because Anglos.
Spaniards integrated their subject Natives.
I don't know their thought process, but, I think that they thought of it as too much of a hassle and them as too much of a threat.
Or Anglos.
>>305436
Because you can't forcibly integrate people, it's literally impossible.
>>305446
They didn't, Latin America is full of indigenous Americans who aren't particularly Latinized at all.
>>305596
The french disagree
>>305601
The French didn't really do it forcibly and it didn't really work that well. They got everyone to speak French alright, but they wouldn't be anywhere near integrated until after WW2.
>>305612
I would consider ostracising anyone who doesn't speak French as forcing them to speak French, not to mention government policies regarding that.
>>305600
That's actually propaganda aimed at demonizing the Spanish Empire and created by anglos. As early as 1512, the Laws of Burgos regulated the behavior of Europeans in the New World forbidding the ill-treatment of indigenous people and limiting the power of encomenderos or landowners. In 1542 the New Laws expanded and corrected the previous body of laws in order to improve their application. Although these laws were not always followed across all American territories, they reflected the will of the Spanish colonial government of the time to protect the rights of the native population.
Morever, they were also accepting of the admixture between natives and Spaniards. Mulattos were relatively commonplace, even more so than that of White Spaniards.
>>305612
>They got everyone to speak French alright
La langue est la nation.
>>305600
>Latin America is full of indigenous Americans who aren't particularly Latinized at all.
>Indigenous Latams
>Catholic as fuck
>Spanish Speaking as fuck.
>Found in every level of society as fuck. Even with the cancerous race-based Casta system
>"They didn't integrate guys!"
>>305436
>why didn't we (by we, the americans) forcibly integrate the native americans instead of pushing them off more and more of their land?
Le Eternal Anglos
From their point of view, the natives were stupid savages that don't deserve their own land. Also they did try to Anglocize some native kids. Went horribly for both parties involved.
>>305648
>I know absolutely nothing about Latin America
Not to mention almost all Native Americans are Christian in the USA as well.
Ask a half native anything
>>305647
Of course French people would think that.
>>305667
No, but seriously, it's a very good definition.
If you speak a certain language natively, you are an inextricable part of that nation and ethnic group.
>>305676
>If you speak a certain language natively, you are an inextricable part of that nation and ethnic group.
Yeah, except for the whole genetically not related to them part.
>>305663
>Lat-am is whiiiite!
I wonder how many of those languages are Lingua Francas.
>>305436
We already stole land and fucked their women what makes you think they would have liked us?
>>305665
What does native pussy feel like?
>>305681
Spanish is the Lingua Franca. Guarana is pretty widely spoken tho. But if it's a conversation between different tribes they would speak in Spanish
>>305683
>We already stole land and fucked their women what makes you think they would have liked us?
But that's exactly what the Muslims are doing to Europe right now, and Europeans are bending over for them.
>>305680
>Yeah, except for the whole genetically not related to them part.
Yes, but how is that relevant? How is biological essentialism relevant?
Do you actually believe that a person who is black is just biologically incapable of being an upstanding Frenchman?
>>305676
It's very Francocentric I think because that often isn't the case, particularly in the British Isles and former Yugoslavia.
In Britain Scots and Irish are decidedly not English despite overwhelmingly speaking English natively, Irish aren't even British. Likewise it's very untrue in that Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks all speak the same language yet claim different nationalities.
>>305648
Casta system was not based on race, but in wealth.
>>305685
Meh tier. Natives are not wild in bed. They are for the most part boring. Occasionally you'll find a god tier one bit you really have to search hard
>>305695
>Do you actually believe that a person who is black is just biologically incapable of being an upstanding Frenchman?
Yeah because the French are white.
Denying race exists, is denying white privilege.
>>305692
Go to sleep /pol/, you've had a hard day.
>>305698
True, but I'm saying it is a decent definition, I'm not saying it always works out that way.
>>305692
That's becuase they haven't read any history books.
>>305681
?
I've heard from paraguayans themselves that Guarani is slowly dying there despite the fact it's taught on schools, quechua/aimara/guarani have co official language status in bolivia, and I believe in Peru too. They still will talk in Spanish no matter what
>>305705
>Yeah because the French are white.
But that isn't true. There are millions of African francophones born and raised in France.
I'm sorry, but you should consider fucking off back to /pol/ with that mid 18th century racialism.
>>305718
>But that isn't true. There are millions of African francophones born and raised in France.
But they are not born into white systematic privilege the same way a white Frenchman is
>>305718
There are also millions of Francophones born and raised in the Congo, they're not French either.
>>305718
What he means are these Celt/Germanic people called "French"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people
>>305721
There is no such thing as "white privilege".
Troll harder.
>>305726
If you are born in the Congo, you are Congolese.
I am talking about being born and raised in France, and you speak French natively, and have a French passport. If you check all of these, you are French in my eyes, regardless of your genetic makeup.
>>305729
I know what he means, but it's irrelevant.
>>305735
>There is no such thing as "white privilege".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege
>>305738
I'm a half native and the white privilege shot is funny as hell
>>305738
>A concept is real because I post a wiki article
No, sorry. The only thing that can be accurately classified as a privilege in this world, is being rich.
>>305750
http://www.xavier.edu/diversity/documents/black-studies/Christian_African_Centered_Perspective.pdf
http://facweb.northseattle.edu/jreis/White%20Privilege/WhitenessBibliography%5B1%5D.pdf
>>305735
That's equally as arbitrary as language alone being the deciding factor.
Being French is not something the government bestows on you with a passport or the privilege of being born in their borders. Being French is a matter of blood, with over a thousand years of French history building up to your existence through a massive movement of the people.
Being French doesn't have anything to do with where you're born, it's all about who you are - the same for every nationality. Hence why you can be born in Algeria and still be the Frenchest-Frenchman ever.
>>305755
I'm pretty sure that if you are born and raised in Algeria, you are Algerian.
But okay. I'm guessing there's nothing called being "American" then. All of them are non-German speaking Germans, non-Irish Gaelic speaking Irish, non-Norwegian speaking Norwegians etc.
>>305755
>Being French is not something the government bestows on you with a passport or the privilege of being born in their borders
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nationality_law
>>305759
America, being a bastard nation on all fronts is the exception. Given trying to apply Jus Sanguinis to it would be a stupid idea given it's absolutely overrun with immigrants.
>>305772
>America, being a bastard nation on all fronts is the exception
But why is it an exception? For precisely the reasons I listed. Ethnic groups and nations have zero to do with racialism, and this applies to France as much as it applies to America.
But I get that you want it to be that way.
>>305781
Because stripping everyone except Native Americans of US citizenship would be silly given the pure gravity of it.
It sets an example to avoid making French identity meaningless as anything except a sterile government title in a few hundred years.
>>305790
>It sets an example to avoid making French identity meaningless as anything except a sterile government title in a few hundred years.
French identity is culture, history and language. It still has zero to do with racialism.
I don't get how you can equate an identity(which is a content of a person's character and thoughts and actions), to haplogroups. It's literally a non-sequitur.
>>305755
>Being French is not something the government bestows on you with a passport or the privilege of being born in their borders.
Except it's exactly like that
>Being French is a matter of blood, with over a thousand years of French history building up to your existence through a massive movement of the people.
>Being French is a matter of blood
>Deliberately ignoring both Jus Soli and the Guigou law
Even places like Italy have forms of Jus Soli, nowadays it's uncommon for a person born within a nation's territory to not be legally able to be recognized as citizen.
And luckily national identity is not tied to blood or dna, it's a set of beliefs and culture that anyone can adhere to, and this is pretty damn old news otherwise the USA would have never existed.
