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If you ignore 'nam, he wasn't so bad.
>>246
What a shit taste.
Leftists fucking shits.
Jackson
>>419
what actually was the objection to the Vietnam war?
>>512
DINDU NUFFIN etc
>>512
The draft I guess.
The whole point of it was to prevent the "domino effect" of communism, but Vietnam ended up falling to communism anyways.
>>811
only cause the US pulled out though?
>>858
Pretty much :(
Bully!
Built roads, fucked communists.
>>429
My Polish brother from another mother
Stayin' Cool with Coolidge eh?
>>246
Why was FDR so based /his/?
>>246
I still can't believe there are actually people that hate FDR. Almost every president after him has couped democratic governments, funded terrorists, and committed massive strategic blunders. If we had more men like him we'd be in a much better state.
>>419
Holy shit. He's literally bottom 3 with Bush and Obama
>>2356
He actually contributed only moderately to developing the country physically, but his leadership was absolutely inspiring. He was promising people jobs, unemployment benefits, and Social Security in the depths of the depression. People really saw a light at the end of the tunnel, they were really convinced their government was for the people and trying to make things better. That's such a far cry from what we have today it's unreal.
>>2638
>obama on same level as bush
I'm a civil rights fag. Politics was what LBJ was born to do.
>>2497
Up their with Nixon as one of the best foreign policy Presidents actually.
>>512
It was completely retarded to start with and the fact that it dragged on for years due to incompetent strategy made it absolutely Iraq-tier stupid. In what world could dropping 2.7 men and more bombs than WWII in an impoverished, developing country ever be a good thing for said nation?
Was Franklin Pierce /fa/?
>eliminated all the mexicans
>restored peace to the united states
>increased employment
>hottest daughter
>best hair
>>3050
*2.7 million
>>2356
A guy like him could never get elected today. It's sad really.
>>487
t/his/
>>2449
The only difference is that FDR coup'd his own democratic government.
>>1391
Bully!
>>2449
FDR didn't even have to worry about foreign policy. It basically didn't exist for America during his term. It's all about domestic policy
>>2852
Bush did more for Africa aids relieve than any world leader of all time
:^)
I seriously admire this man in spite of all the bullshit regarding watergate
So great on so many levels. If it wasn't for the watergate thing, he would've been remembered as one of the greatest presidents of the second half of the 20th century, if not THE greatest.
>>2449
test
FDR for done good, Nixon for interesting/crazy person. also Jackson
there's a fucking swath of guys between Jackson and Lincoln I don't know shit about
>>512
we backed the wrong side
>>5257
>Can't remember that there was a second world war
Maybe this isn't the board for you
People saying LBJ and Nixon and FDR. Some people say these are the best presidents, others say they are the worst. What criteria makes someone a good or bad president?
>this thread
>no Harry Truman
Literally the most underrated POTUS ever. Just imagine the pressure to step in in the middle of fucking WW2 with the USSR threatning to take global control.
Truman built the future and made sure America was on top of it.
>>5556
Pls, Truman was a chicken shit who wouldn't nuke the chinese during the Korean war
>>5495
THERE WERE TWO OF THEM?
WTF WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME
>>5556
I finished a book on FDR and the last bit was just me thinking how fucked up the situation Truman got dropped into was.
>Some senator from Missouri
>Suddenly dealing with holding the world together
>>5325
He is admirable in the same way as Tito, for his ruthlessness and unwillingness to play around.
Did those 2 ever meet actually? God that would have been fun to watch.
>>5761
He did meet Mao
>>512
Boomers
>>246
God President of Mankind coming through.
>>419
Literal worst president.
Carter was also bad, especially for giving away the Panama Canal.
List of Good Presidents (Official, do not reproduce)
Jefferson
Goldwater
Coolidge
Jackson
"Muh Roads" Eisenhower
Adams
Polk
<newSpoilerTags>Kennedy</newSpoilerTags>
>>5556
>with the USSR threatning to take global control
This was never Stalin's goal. He believed in ''Socialism in one country'' until after Germany invaded. Then he expanded his goals to expand a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe to protect the SU from future invasion.
>Truman built the future and made sure America was on top of it
Truman was a moron that fostered the anti-Communist death cult that justified any actions the US government committed by virtue that it stopped Communism. The result of this policy dramatically fucked over places like Latin America and Southeast Asia.
>>5633
Don't even get me started on Korea. His handling of the war can only be compared to
Johnson's utter incompetence in Vietnam. His handling of WWII was awful as well, and ironically helped the Soviets expand. Instead of making it clear the Japanese could keep their emperor, he tried to strong arm them into ''unconditional'' surrender. With a more diplomatic approach, a surrender could've been forced months earlier. No need to use nuclear weapons, hundreds of thousands of lives saved, no North Korea etc. etc.
>>6017
I was rather disappointed when I read how much he was used for the initial recruitment drive when the US entered WW1. He went all over the country delivering speeches to dumb kids about how war was "the great adventure". Mind you ww1 had been going on for years at this point and he fucking knew it was no adventure.
>>6028
carter was one of the few presidents who actually cared, didn't help him much but still
>>246
Thomas Jefferson
And fuck those idiot uni students who tried to slander him as a racist rapist. He was neither.
>>6028
>goldwater
>>6028
>Jackson
nice fucking meme
>>5510
Depends on which direction you thought the country should've gone and how relevant the effect of their actions today.
A couple of decades ago, Jackson was considered one of "the greats," but nowadays there's a lot more attention on his treatment of Native Americans (and to a certain extent how wrong he was about banks).
>>5495
And? FDR had nothing to do with that. He kept us out of it for as long as possible and after pearl Harbor it was in the hands of Eisenhower, Patton, McArthur, and Nimitz
>>6082
>''unconditional'' surrender.
That was FDR and Churchill and even FDR knew it was gonna end up causing problems
>>5510
LBJ was genuinely horrible because his Great Society bullshit didn't work.
Teenage pregnancy was low and falling. He decided there was a teenage pregnancy epidemic, so he implemented mandatory sex ed to counteract it. Teenage pregnancy skyrocketed to its modern level.
His housing plan similarly failed, giving way to new slums filled with half-built houses. Businesses and communities were destroyed by the buy-out policy to attain the land to build the houses, with many of the places which were to be 'saved' by the policy actually getting measurably worse.
I can go on, but whatever makes a 'great' president, LBJ didn't have it. He did pretty much nothing positive other than letting everyone vote, but that was something the people forced to happen rather than something LBJ did. Literally anyone would have done the same if they'd been president at the time of MLK.
>>6028
Add grant you southern piece of shit
>>6308
I'd say his treatment of natives was forgivable considering the age he lived in, what's unforgivable to me is that he willfully disregarded the authority of the supreme court to do it.
>>487
This.
A real patriot, hero, human being, and a pretty cool guy overall.
Says what he is going to do and then does it.
>>6790
Yeah but that included intentionally dividing the nation further apart
Why has no one said George Washington yet? I'm British and I love this guy.
>passionate
>inspiring
>not tempted by power
>true man of liberty
>>6028
Remove Adams and I say perfect list.
>>246
>the New Deal guy
"[FDR] had every quality that morons esteem in their heroes."
-H.L. Mencken
A centrist democrat who presided during rapid societal shifts, including his own election.
>>7236
>a centrist Democrat who adopted the exact policy of his former political enemy
>known liar
>political snake who defends the undefendable
Rest in piece sweet prince. Maybe if you lived and became president, we wouldn't have had fucking internment camps
>>2497
only right answer
>>6431
Judicial supremacy is the worst thing about our country. Matters of constitutionality among the federal government should be decided upon by a 2/3 majority between the branches. Making the Supreme Court having no one to balance them out allows for stupid shit like the Dredd Scott Decision and Rowe Vs Wade
>>7646
>Roe v Wade decision
>Bad
go thump your bible at church, not 4chan cleetus
Eisenhower motherfuckers. Dude had an insane amount of foresight of The Cold War. Too bad he couldn't have been president during more of the Nam era
>>6017
Now this is a POTUS I can get behind
>>6194
He was a racist rapist, but he was undeniably a great president and political thinker.
>>7712
It has nothing to do with the Bible you fucking moron. Atheists are also pro life unless their insanely party loyal
>>8312
>be atheist
>be pro choice
Checkmate.
>>7236
You meant to say Obama is....
>>8599
>be atheist
>don't believe in objective moral value of human life
Could have guessed senpai
>>6028
i'll never understand how people can have a list of best presidents and not include FDR
Has to be Jackson.
>rags to riches
>BTFO the British
>coarse and rude to women
>got hella drunk and threw fun parties
>>419
>1965 Immigration act
>good
lmao
>>8837
nice meme
To be honest, Teddy Roosevelt.
He is the epitome of a great man.
Strong, smart, badass, likes white people, traditional, survives getting shot, helped win a war, loves nature, environmentalist, understands firearms, hates monopolies, hates corruption, fights robber barons, sends a Great White Fleet around the world, and carries a really big stick.
>>8897
because he was power hungry and used WW2 as an excuse to implement many sweeping reforms that weren't needed and have caused serious issues in the U.S. today, Social Security being one, as it is no longer sustainable
>>8897
Not being democratic socialists?
>>9102
>sweeping reforms that weren't needed
>>9102
Social security was implemented before WW2, and is plenty sustainable.
>>9102
>no longer sustainable
Its completely sustainable, it only requires you increase taxes or lower the amount it pays out
don't watch so much fox news anon
>>8897
FDR was a "great" president, but he was also somewhat of a meglomaniac. 4 terms. Stuffs courts. Monopolies.
Sterilized lots of people. Put Japanese in camps. Propaganda. Unironically racist.
He was the Fascist of America, when we needed Fascism.
>>9134
Well you don't find many of the things he created functioning nowadays.
>>487
this.
>>6398
He was a leftist progressive
And an idiot
Of course his shit was a disaster
>He did pretty much nothing positive other than letting everyone vote
How is this a positive
The liberals/democrats only promote universal suffrage because the people they included happened to vote leftist.
>>419
>corrupt as fuck president who forced Abe Fortas onto the Supreme Court
>Completely ignored his campaign promise, and sent American into Vietnam
>Idealistic garbage programs like the New Society.
One of the worst presidents of the 20th century.
>>1438
>Overthrew the secular president of Iran, and established the Shah
Shit, desu. His recessed SC appointments are suspect, too.
>>9067
This.
Theodore Roosevelt was the greatest president we've ever had. He is ultimately the reason we're a super power today.
>>9067
It's impossible to dislike "Good President Ted."
>>9543
He favored strong government control and any of his decisions backfired spectacularly. He was awesone irl but what of it?
>>9612
*many
>>419
>killed Kennedy to profit from the Name war
One of the worst
>>9612
What's so intrinsically wrong with "strong government control?" And which of his decisions backfired spectacularly?
I've read tons about Teddy Roosevelt and I have yet to find one cogent argument against his legacy. Face it, he was the most consistently amazing president we've ever had.
>>9765
>I've read tons about Teddy Roosevelt
Even the Bully Pulpit? Or maybe it was Bully Boy? Nevermind it's still sad. TR was a shameless brutal warmonger but I kinda wish I was in his circle of friends. Anyway, yes there are arguments against him. It was a real bummer and I remember asking and checking other sources. Nothing helped. Especially his environmental policy which caused a lot of trouble in California.
http://www.amazon.com/Bully-Boy-Theodore-Roosevelts-Legacy/dp/0307237222
>>5376
>>5325
>nixonfags
get off of my history board you horrible swine
>>246
>posting literally the worst president
pls no op
>>9067
Everything was GOAT but the Phillipines and his post presidency campaigning. Grant is the only flawless president pre and post office included
>>10709
And Wilson? I can't decide who was actually worse. FDR did fuck up the Depression even more and was a naive idiot during WWII but Wilson created the Fed and introduced income tax in the same year and later fuced up everything for everyone in Europe but he didn't live long enough to be there to see it.
>>10767
>Grant was flawless
Let's just say every president was flawed. No men are angels, but some get pretty damn close.
>>10807
Yea and Wilson has the tremendous honor of being the president who praised the historical and cultural accuracy of "Birth of a Nation" kek
Literally did nothing wrong.
>>10611
Watergate is a literal non issue
>harmless campaigning espionage
For real, it blows my mind that this scandal ruined the presidency. Everyone holding major office today does 10x worse and people defend it
>>11004
It's the only flaw that liberal books and documentaries ever admit. For this reason I can't even watch those ambitious documentaries made by PBS or History Channel. It's too late. Their version has won long ago. They still claim that Hoover was laissez faire.
>>11004
Things were different back then.
A few bad qualities don't make a person bad. Many bad qualities make them bad.
Tbh, the last 500 years have been a constant reminder that black people seem to be less intelligent than other races.
>>246
Really good president. Shame he's forgotten because he's honestly my favorite one. Would've been interesting to see what Garfield could've done though.
>>3058
Shit president but it's hard not to feel bad for him. The universe decided it was just going to endlessly shit on him.
>>11050
It wasn't the initial scandal; it was him trying to fight it and hide information and then getting burnt by the liberal media. He should have just said "yes they did it, I had nothing to do with it. They are out of the party and going to be charged."
>>11155
Why are they known as the forgotten presidents then?
Didn't he try fixing corruption and then got burnt for it?
>>3058
No.
Don't you dare.
He was elected on looks alone, and because he didn't give two shits, America was even more divided than ever when he left office.
You want America's worst president? It's this fucker right here.
>>8131
His policies were retarded and left the country with neither the money or military to effectively fight the War of 1812. He was such a dogmatic autist that he'd rather have ruined the country (thinking he was saving it) than admit that Hamilton was right up to continuing to be a fervent supporter of the French Revolution long after everyone abandoned it due to the Terror.
Jefferson sucked.
>>11203
Because he wasn't involved in great wars or other such events. Looks like the "forgotten" or "mediocre" presidents were the best. Van Buren, Tyler, Cleveland, Coolidge.
>>6963
Washington's a case of "right guy at the right time". Policy-wise I don't think he was really a factor considering it was basically Hamilton doing all that but he had the temperment and ability to command respect that was needed to keep the country from falling apart between the Federalists and Jeffersonians.
>>11353
No. FDR had literally 0 positive influence in WW2. Stop pretending otherwise.
>>11524
Name one criticism of Bush that Obama didn't make worse. One.
>>11258
I thought by POTUSfu OP meant the most attractive because FDR was pretty handsome himself.
>>11533
Well he helped Stalin a whole lot in fucking up Europe. He was his little bitch until the last few days of his life.
>>5325
he is probably my favorite, nbot cause i admire him but because his whole story is so interesting
>getting spit all over in venezuela
>checkers speech
>not being liked by ike
someone needs to make a biopic about dick
>>11203
There was nothing to really define the era as far as the president goes. The post-Civil War presidents are kind of seen as weak figures, overshadowed by (and probably somewhat subservient to) the robber barons and industrialists that would define the Gilded Age and being products of machine/party politics.
A lot of it too is because economic issues were a big deal in the post-Reconstruction era, probably THE big political issue of the day. Obviously 130 year old arguments about the gold standard aren't going to be as sexy as war or economic crash leaving everyone destitute. They're forgotten now but were big deals at the time. Arthur was incredibly popular and well-respected, even Twain loved the guy. Garfield's assassination was a huge deal at the time as well: he was greatly loved and almost universally popular. Apparently when he died a group of 600 blacks ganged up to try and find and lynch Guiteau (Garfield came from an abolitionist family and was a huge supporter of equal rights for blacks).
Same with McKinley. Incredibly popular during his life due to giving America and empire and presiding over an economic boom. Quickly overshadowed in death by Roosevelt.
>>6398
Teen pregnancy rate is high because of browns and blacks.
New England has a lower teen birth rate (14.5 per 1,000) than Australia, Ireland, Iceland, New Zealand, UK, etc
non-hispanic whites are about the same rate as Ireland
non-hispanic blacks and hispanics are about the same as Rwanda, Turkey, etc
Injuns are about the same rate as Samoa and Vietnam
Azns/Pacific Islanders are about the same as Germany and France
>>2497
Best writer amongst the presidents too.
pc related is my background. I don't care if it makes me seem excessively nerdy, his should be amongst the few essential American stories.
Andrew Jackson, desu
>>12042
Nice analysis.
The 1870's-1900's was the era of greatest expansion economically in the US. That was when we were like China of today.
I realize they aren't flashy and spectacular because the events that happened weren't. That actually reflects well upon them.
But for the most part, these guys were weak compared to congress while nowadays Obama just declares executive orders and congress can't do a thing because the supreme court supports Obama.
>blacks
>ganging up to kill someone
Like clockwork.
bean
>God Tier
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James K. Polk
Grover Cleveland
William McKinley
Calvin Coolidge
>Great Tier
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Theodore Roosevelt
Dwight D. Eisenhower
>Good Tier
Martin Van Buren
Harry S. Truman
John F. Kennedy
Bill Clinton
>Okay Tier
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
John Tyler
Abraham Lincoln
Ulysses S. Grant
Rutherford B. Hayes
Chester A. Arthur
Benjamin Harrison
William Howard Taft
Warren G. Harding
Herbert Hoover
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Richard Nixon
Ronald Reagan
George H. W. Bush
>Did Nothing Tier
William Henry Harrison
Zachary Taylor
James A. Garfield
Gerald Ford
>Absolute Shit Tier
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Woodrow Wilson
Lyndon B. Johnson
Jimmy Carter
George W. Bush
Barack Obama
>>12350
>blacks
>ganging up to kill someone
>Like clockwork.
At least in this case it would've been someone who deserved it.
>>12686
Horrible
>>10611
Liberals are still butthurt he exposed the communists among their midst.
>>246
TR. I'd have voted for that man every election he was in.
>>13570
A shitty list but I've seen worse at least Coolidge is high and Wilson is low.
>>429
Coolidge is definitely my #1 as well. Nice to see a fellow fan of him, his policies, and presidency. We also should thank Garman too.
>>13877
>"Colonel, whenever a boy wants to see me, always bring him in. Never turn one away or make him wait."
>>13816
True. The shit tier list is actually accurate.
>>8837
atheism and nihilism, hand in hand
fedorable
>>14077
by what POSSIBLE metric is obama the worst president ever
>>487
this nigga gets it
>rounded up a ragtag team of inexperienced farmers and slaves and managed to beat out the worlds leading military power
Based
>>14683
Each tier is in chronological order
>>14683
One of. And I don't have time to write an essay. In short every executive decision, every backed bill and program, every foreign policy decision, every strategic military action, every economic decision... All bad. And the things he didn't get to accomplish would have been even worse
>>246
Wow that's really shitty taste tbqh senpai
Why do you like dictator-San desu?
I'd go with Nixon personally
One of the last good presidents
>>15864
He broke with the gold standard. Definitely.
"We're all Keynesian now."
Fuck that asshole.
>>8131
>stopped importation of slaves
>attempted to outlaw slavery with a bill that was a few votes shy of passing congress
>His "slave" was Sally Hemmings, a half black woman who was the half sister of his recently deceased wife and her spitting image
>They lived together and had several children, all of whom he freed
Where does the racist rapist part come in?
>>5564
underrated post
>>12686
Holy shit this is terrible. Jackson, McKinley, Clinton, HW and Truman don't belong anywhere outside of terrible. Wilson should be under great, Polk in okay, and the only guys that belong in god-tier are Teddy, FDR, and Lincoln.
>only Prez in recent times to not be a puppet for military firms
>not best Prez
Unless this is your answer you're a walking meme
>>246
pic related
>let the confederacy separate peacefully for some reason
>did literally nothing else of note
>>6194
Jefferson was an autist.
The entire editing meeting of the declaration of independence sounds like it would have been fucking hilarious.
>>11353
spotted the libkek
>>17485
Probably the realest president, but unfortunately one of the weakest.
>>12071
Blacks are only as bad as they are in terms of crime, single-parenthood, school truancy, etc. because of LBJ.
Single-parenthood is arguably the biggest cultural problem in the black community. It's currently at 75% in the US. It was at 20% during the times of slavery. It as at 30% when LBJ got into office. Look at this jump.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2014/12/ednext_XV_2_mclanahan_fig02-small.jpg&w=1484
>>9186
>Stuffs courts.
He didn't do this.
>Monopolies
These exist independently of the executive office. Glass-Steagall for one thing broke banks up to keep them from creating monopolies
>Propaganda.
This had been growing for a century and matured under Wilson's term during WWI
>Sterilized lots of people.
Who what?
>>2852
>civil rights fag
holy shit what corner of reddit did you crawl out of
>>6028
>Goldwater
Fuck you I wish that guy was elected, he would have gone down as the greatest President of all time going back to George Washington.
>>5325
Daily reminder if Watergate happened today under Obama no one would give two shits and it'd be seen as a forced issue on the same tier as Benghazi.
>>19263
These are the same people that like Ronald Reagan. Take notes because these people hold the shittiest opinions in the world
>>12686
> FDR
> anywhere above shit
>>12686
>Bill Clinton
>good
Easily the most overrated president ever, literally Democratic Reagan.
>>17847
>Hoover
> do little to nothing
Uhhhh. But he was the opposite of a laissez faire President.
>>19376
>Goldwater wouldn't have been the greatest president of all time
Fuck off with your shit opinions.
>>246
>you'll never be as cool as cal
>>19376
Go home commie scum.
>>19889
Now you listen here you reactionary shit
Name a president that got more shit done in one term
>>19485
He did little and all wrong to combat the crisis. You a libertarian or something?
>>429
>Coolidge
Mah nigga. Came here to post this.
Andrew "Talk shit, get hit" Jackson.
>>5564
As an Arkansan I'd have to agree here. I actually met him once, my grandparents are good friends of his. Super nice guy and really cool.
>>487
This as well. An honest-to-god patriot of the best kind, who came about exactly when he was needed.
>>19973
>>6790
But Polk has always been my favorite. Didn't bullshit on anything or with anyone. He said what he was gonna do, he fucking did it, and then left office just like he said he would.
>>19973
There was that one time Nixon convinced China to become a psudo-capitalist nation and trading partner by asking nicely.
>>11050
>non-issue
He used his position of power to fuck over others that were supposed to be on equal footing as him. If I can't put it any more simply for you to understand the moral outrage you're a /pol/-tier baiter and don't deserve my (you)'s. On the other hand if you're some kind of crazy egoist that thinks that those that have power should use it on those without, than you have fundamentally misunderstood america.
>>13714
fuck you as well, you little baiting mongoloid.
>>11533
>Won the war. Zero influence.
The president is called "Commander in Chief" or the armed services, by the way.
>>11617
>Well he helped Stalin a whole lot in fucking up Nazis
And it fucking worked, bitch
>>11577
You're so sure of your inverse history, I can't even begin to deprogram you, can I?
I think Obama has been to politically safe with the wars and Gitmo etc. But we're still living in the shadow of the Bush/Cheney presidency. They made an awful mess and moderate Democratic party hasn't done enough to counter it.
>>5491
>Could have been best buds with 'nam
>Instead decided to suck De Gaulle's dick
Why /his/, why?
>>6194
Remember that time he thought America didn't need a standing army?
Then the British invaded.
>>24588
>Unironically not sucking De Gaulle's dick
How does it feel to be literally wrong?
He sent men to the moon which I believe is the pinnacle of human achievement so far.
inb4 von braun and goddard
Yes I understand he wasn't a scientist but he helped by motivating the public to focus on sciences
>>25205
>He sent men to the moon
Didn't. NASA was technically a thing before Kennedy's administration, and he simply "motivated" the people to get on the moon, and he didn't really have an affect on people joining the scientists.
What he did do, though, was almost save our asses from the Fed, before he got put out of commission. 2008 wouldn't have been nearly as bad if Kennedy had been allowed to fuck the Fed.
>>25292
I feel you underestimate the value of motivation
>>25366
If motivation were all it took, wouldn't Martin van Buren be considered one of the best?
>>25443
I feel it's what he motivates them to do that matters
>>5657
Do you have the name of the book? Very interested.
My vote goes to George Washington
George Washington.
If only pic related had been elected...
>>25735
Forgot pic.
>>246
we /fut/ure now
>>25748
He was kind of crazy. Also his views were similar to that of the Progressive party which wasn't very good.
>>20261
His policies literally influenced Roosevelt's New Deal.
![FDR_in_1933[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eCo8khu.jpg "FDR in 1933[1]")
