Why do so many people think badly of Stalin while the only reason they exist or are not slaves is because of Stalin defeating Hitler
Stalin did nothing wrong and people are ignorant of one of the most important victories in history
So i guess if a mass murderer inadvertently allowed me to be born i should love him?
>>1421116
you should love him as much as you love yourself since he did have huge impact on you
>>1421101
>implying that defeating hitler was a good thing
>>1421101
Because unlike Western rulers, Stalin lacked the decency to only massacre and oppress people in the Third World
>>1421101
It's largely Cold War propaganda but c'mon man, Stalin was a pretty bad dude. He had people killed for petty mistakes or flimsy charges of insurrection.
While Stalin did a lot of amazing things for millions of people, his style of rule was pretty unforgivable. In addition, a lot of shittiness was lumped on Ukraine during his rule.
>>1421116
As OP said, Stalin did literally nothing wrong.
>>1421101
excuse me, as a north american, I was definitely never going to be a slave under hitler.
i don't owe some crazy gommie shitter anything
But Hitler was still better.
Both Stalin and Hitler are too similar to me.
I can't help but see all the glaring similarities between National Bolshevism and National Socialism.
>control industry: Check
>Propaganda: Check
>Murder political opposition: Check
>Hunt religious people who don't submit: Check
>Anti-semitic: Check
>Militarily expansionistic: Check
>>1421212
Its called fascism.
He actually managed to kill more Russians that Hitler did, pretty good job.
>>1421212
Sorry but Ernst Nolte (who got BTFOd 100 times) just called, he wants his thesis back.
>control industry: Check
Top lel, maybe in the last 3 years but before that Hitler need the industry and teamed up with them. This is what upset Röhm.
Some poet wrote a poem praising Stalin and he got literally imprisoned just because the poem was written in Ukrainian. You can't make this shit up.
>stalin
It was the great Russian proletariat that defeated Hitler, not any individual.
>>1421232
and yet, you just did
>>1421101
Meh, like all commied leaders, Stalin was certainly not the main brain behind the societ victory and just a face to wank off to as a citizen.
He sure as fuck was a whiny cunt like all commie leaders though and fucked up everyone whose sneeze sounded the wrong way.
Why is /his/ full of personal cult idiots?
>>1421230
>maybe in the last 3 years
>last
No, you got it the wrong way around. Hitler privatized certain industries to fix the Great Depression, but after that he asserted control again and created a war economy.
>le stalin won ww2 and did nothing wrong
Gosh, who let all these /b/ kiddies in.
>>1421230
The only difference is that under Hitler the industry had to be subservient to the state while remaining technically private while under Stalin it was outright owned by the state. Huge companies like Krupp or IG Farben would be quickly quashed if they collaborated with the enemy.
>>1421236
That's a very good comeback.
I'm going to remember that one.
>>1421253
>Stalin didn't win WW2
>Stalin did anything wrong
wew, back to highschool.
>>1421236
It was Maxim Rylski and he was eventually freed thanks to Khrushchev's intervention.
>>1421101
>Stalin defeating Hitler
Are you an idiot? Watch Save Private Ryan, it's American people and democracy defeated Hitler.
USSR literally just sate on its ass and consumed aid from U S and A
>>1421101
But if Hitler hadn't massacred Soviets en masse, I wouldn't exist either.
>>1421101
I believe in dictatorship of the proletariat, not dictatorship of a secretary. He highlights how any revolutionary movement can be derailed, although this is completely precedented with democratic revolutions as well ultimately setting up autocratic rule.
That being said, I don't think he did a bad job forging and ruling an empire. He started off in a shittier place than America and America was left unravaged by war whereas Russia took the brunt of it, and his empire still managed to stand toe to toe with America after his death.
>>1421272
P.S. God bless America! USA! USA! USA!
>>1421275
> He highlights how any revolutionary movement WILL be derailed
FTFY
>purge military
>sign Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Hitler, allowing Germany to conquer half of Eastern Europe and steamroll France easily because half of Poland is busy fighting reds
>let Hitler mobilize three million troops by your border because its to invade Britain guise I swear
>German soldiers literally walk across the border and tell anyone who will listen that an invasion is incoming
>have them tortured
>massive invasion comes
>spend the first few days ordering your troops not to shoot back, and the couple weeks after that sulking and drinking while Molotov runs the country
>despite having the most troops, the most tanks, the most planes, and the most artillery when the war breaks out, get pushed to Moscow
>barely hold on in 1941, and spend the rest of the war pushing back at a tortuously slow pace, with ridiculous losses, and constant infusions of US help
10/10 leader thank god he saved you from the Nazis.
>>1421278
>German soldiers literally walk across the border and tell anyone who will listen that an invasion is incoming
That wasn't even soldiers, they were fucking communists lol.
>>1421212
Stalin's antisemitism is nothing comparable to Hitler
>>1421101
But Hitler was my people's ally against Stalin
>>1421278
>>sign Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Hitler, allowing Germany to conquer half of Eastern Europe and steamroll France easily because half of Poland is busy fighting reds
>Poland is busy fighting reds
Kek, this is fucking hilarious. Nice revisionism.
>>1421131
This. Uncle Adolf was the last knight of Europe.
>>1421308
shut up stupid commie
better dead than red
>>1421212
>Implying being anti-semetic is wrong
>>1421290
>Stalin's antisemitism is nothing comparable to Hitler
No, but it existed, and they did murder Jews and issued official progroms at them, which means they are guilty of the same thing.
>>1421306
>knight
>literally a plebeian
>>1421277
There have been several democratic revolutions with varying degrees of success and derailment.
>>1421101
should probably go back to /pol/ with retarded bait like this lmao
>>1421304
Soviet gass still fueled German tanks tho.
And the poles just decided to not shot back, they still got their eastern half taken.
>People praising someone who killed sixty million people
>>1421328
Well try naming them.
>USA
A bunch of states with a significant degree of state sovereignty and limited government get turned into a behemoth of a country not entirely different to the British empire they seceded from.
>France
Revolucucks spend a few years purging each other only to see Napoleon piggyback the revolution and become a literal emperor and reinstall the monarchy, the very thing the revolution tried to overthrow.
>Russia
Revolutionaries get purged to all fuck by a literal bandit who installs a regime far more autocratic than Tzar's.
>>1421101
>imblying
>>1421350
Bourgies, fascists and counter-revolutionaries aren't people.
>>1421353
>A bunch of states with a significant degree of state sovereignty and limited government get turned into a behemoth of a country not entirely different to the British empire they seceded from.
But that's what the US wanted, the rights of representation and degree of democracy found on the British Isles.
>Revolucucks spend a few years purging each other only to see Napoleon piggyback the revolution and become a literal emperor and reinstall the monarchy, the very thing the revolution tried to overthrow.
There was more than one revolution. They're on their 5th Republic now. And when that fails, they'll try again with a 6th. They'll get it right eventually.
>Revolutionaries get purged to all fuck by a literal bandit who installs a regime far more autocratic than Tzar's.
This is why I don't like him, and he pretty much tried to stick his fingers in every other "people's" revolution to bring them under his sphere of influence.
>>1421357
I like how everything not a city of connected by a road was "liberated"
>>1421358
I got a free one way helicopter ride for you
>>1421365
The US didn't achieve what they wanted at all, they were all for limited government and states rights while today they have the federal government controlling and overtaxing everything.
>>1421358
Neither are commietards
>>1421358
I was literally banned for 30 days for saying the same about communists, let's see if the mods stay consistent or reveal their lefty bias.
>>1421370
Yeah, that's pretty much how it went.
>Es ist mir nicht begins playing.
>>1421370
gorilla war at its finest lad innit
>>1421304
It's pretty established right now that:
1. Hitler would very possibly back down from invading Poland if Stalin didn't greenlight it for him with the secret protocol of the R-M pact.
2. Soviet invasion shortened the war with Poland for a month at the shortest, half of year in the more realistic scenario. Germans by 17th of September were running out of fuel, tanks and ammo and needed to stop their advance and resupply. Moreover, Poland was retreating into Southeast where a Last Redoubt was planned which could have lasted for several months.
>>1421382
>muh articles of confederation
>>1421358
Back to /leftypol/.
>>1421423
>>>/rightylit/
>>1421417
>muh "muh" meme
quality discourse
>>1421423
No, /his/ is the forefront of basement people's war.
>>1421428
He said varying degrees of success.
>>1421101
Probably because that isn't true. Hitler was defeated both by an alliance of the three strongest empires still in existence in the 20th century and also by his own stupidity.
>>1421448
>hitler was stupid
>>>/awayfrommyredpillsafespace/
>>1421448
And the axis was an alliance of two and a half empires.
>>1421460
Neither Japan or Itally counts as a whole.
>>1421460
Italy wasn't even half an empire, dude. More like a tenth of one.
>>1421324
Except some jews ran the work camps, which were eons worse than the German camps.
>>1421471
is that in imperial units?
>>1421470
Japan was a proper empire.
>>1421448
>>1421458
>famous leaders are all stupid, they would never matchup to genius savants like true /his/ intellectuals
every single thread until the end of time
>>1421527
>Hitler was a poor strategist
>implying this isn't the general consensus of everyone
>>1421532
Saying Hitler was horrible at military strategy is not the same as saying Hitler was stupid
>>1421101
he probably had some mental disturb
still managed to make the S.U. a world power nation.
>>1421551
He was stupid because he kept telling his generals they were stupid and overriding them with his own stupid strategies.
>>1421563
>tfw no Guderian bro
>>1421101
Yeah, he did good things. He was also an extremely brutal dictator. Like any leader in history, he had his good and bad aspects.
>tfw I pay to learn German
Gee thanks Stalin
>>1421474
Okay this was clever.
>>1421730
Isn't it hypocritical to tell someone to go back to their safe space for having a different opinion?
>socialism in one country
Fuck off
>>1421730
Perhaps you mean /leftypol/ with the rest of the Stalin apologists, the nostalgics of a 20th century they never experienced, and the false consciousness crowd.
>>1421743
Actually I couldn't care less about your opinion of Jews. The problem is that you haven't provided anything to back it up, which leads me to believe you're a troll.
>>1421780
>assuming i am him
Anyway, you should probably fuck off for answering bait desu
>>1421755
I really should have included both.
>>1421755
Honestly if you replaced Stalin with Hitler that would apply just as much to normal /pol/
>>1421828
The difference between them is who did nothing wrong
>>1421423
/his/ is basically leftypol but less well-read
>>1421434
Is that fucking Unruhe
>>1421350
MUH SIX GORILLION
>>1421350
He killed about 8-15 million, not more.
>>1421350
Is this nigga including Nazis that died invading Russia?
>>1421319
you're trying to hard he didnt even iomply that.
>>1421101
like a wanted poster
>>1421101
>le if hitler won he would have taken over the world and made everyone german meme
xD!
>create the international political situation that makes the rise of Hitler inevitable
>"but at least he defeated Hitler"
>>1421730
>go back to your safespace so that I am no longer confronted with opinions that aren't my own
>>1421730
>/pol/
>safe space
Almost every thread is leftybait
>>1424407
/pol/ is the definition of a safe space, hombre
>>1421275
Its's also easy to build an empire, when you steal half of the industry of the countries your army marched through.
>Russians defeated Hitler
>Stalin was in charge of Russia
>That means Stalin beat Hitler
retard
>>1421101
Stalin was a great man who liberated millions and saved the Soviet people from annihilation.
But many of his crimes are inconsolable. His treatment of concentration camp survivors was also regrettable.
>>1424627
""liberated""
>>1424627
Liberated?
>>1424627
>But many of his crimes are inconsolable. His treatment of concentration camp survivors was also regrettable.
No mercy for cowards and traitors.
>>1424654
Not all the people who were purged were traitors
>>1421101
Hitler was better
>>1424658
You're right.
Some were cowards.
Sure is LIBERAL up in here
>>1424665
>listening to podcasts
>ever
Even the word podcast makes me retch
>>1424698
What's wrong with podcasts?
>>1424536
>If their opinions don't line up with mine it's a safespace
>this is what SJWs from /leftypol/ actually believe
>>1424728
What isn't? It's hipstor faggotry.
>>1424741
Right, but /pol/ exists to be a right-wing hugbox for views that are rejected even on the rest of 4chan
I think Stalin may be one of the most morally despicable human beings in the world for a few reasons, prime among them being his understanding of human suffering.
The famous quote "One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic" comes to mind. At first glance it appears he's saying that the millions of deaths mean nothing to him, but it is in fact much more malicious than that if you look at it in light of the mans policies.
It is often said that nobody in the Soviet Union didn't know someone who was taken. By spreading out the terror among the entire population, Stalin made each and every death a hurtful tragedy. The man used his understanding of human suffering to brutally beat down the people and hurt them to the extent that there would never be a populist rebellion. It was a masterstroke of cruelty, and he perfectly understood what he was doing.
>>1424756
4chan has always been pretty right wing and at least a tongue in cheek racist, long before /pol/.
>>1424757
t. reddit
>>1424627
>Soviet people
Nice way of trying to make it look like there was anything other than threat of force keeping countries other than Russia in the union
>>1424771
In what was is saying that Stalin was exceptionally cruel even slightly a Reddit opinion?
If anything the man is over explaining something so fucking obvious it doesn't need to be said
Why are commieboos so hell-bent on defending a genocidal paranoid tyrant who led a not-true-communist state?
>>1424746
I fail to see how someone talking is " hipstor faggotry".
Obviously it depends which podcast you listen to but trying t trash an entire medium seems silly.
>>1424768
???
4chan has definitely never been shy about degeneracy and social liberalism. I guess the site could be considered libertarian, maybe.
They should have let Patton push east.
>>1424746
Podcasts have been around a long time kiddo, your boy Rush Limbaugh was just a primitive podcaster.
You are probably one of those fags that thinks "drama" on youtube is some new and terrible thing, when in fact it just legitimizes the medium and makes it MORE similar to television and its tabloid shit.
>>1424768
The only board moot admitted were containment boards were /mlp/, and /lgbt/. not that an SJW like you would remember the moot Q&A
