Why are the Greeks so wewuzist? Every single Greek I have talked to on the internet started bragging about ancient Greece at one point, I am starting to think all Greeks behave like this.
Because Greece is a shithole with nothing going for it, the population aren't much related to the ancients except by the language, they have no good history for the last 2000 years, so all they can cling onto is the ancients.
At least its real though, unlike slavs and blacks who just make shit up
>>1407640
Greek history is pretty great they should be proud of it nothing wrong in that
>>1407686
>being proud in shit you have nothing to do with
what's next you're going to be proud in the specific subjective interpretation of the brain to the outside stimuli of reality?
you're going to be proud of the fundamental laws of the universe?
in the product of DNA sequencing?
be proud in something that actually points to your virtuous as a living human being not to ideal concepts that are influenced by nothing but ego masturbation and inferiority complex.
>>1407648
>they have no good history for the last 2000 years
Byzantine Empire, fool.
>>1407640
Did they put a dick and balls on that colossal statue?
>>1407723
>your virtuous
lel
Also, if this is the case then you should cast a much broader net and shame everyone from every country who is proud of anything that isn't directly related to them, not just the Greeks. Being proud of your country's culture is completely normal and even under your sperg-rules, still acceptable, given that most people's virtues, values and characters are majorly influenced by their national culture.
>>1407640
it's really bad especially since ancient greeks lost their national identity 3 generations into roman times
it's literally piggybacking, it's as WEWUS as saying egyptians were black
>>1407723
>what's next you're going to be proud in the specific subjective interpretation of the brain to the outside stimuli of reality?
>you're going to be proud of the fundamental laws of the universe?
>in the product of DNA sequencing?
Why not?
>be proud in something that actually points to your virtuous as a living human being
Why should you only be proud in that? Should one not feel proud of their son when they do good, even if they did good independently?
>not to ideal concepts that are influenced by nothing but ego masturbation and inferiority complex.
Assumption.
>>1407753
Virtues* sorry
>>1407754
there were greeks during Byzantium and during Ottoman empire
>>1407753
It had nothing to do with the fact that they are born in a certain geographical border, the cultural influences of the ancient Greeks are as far reaching as the entire western world and are as unquantifiable as any causes and effects of reality that manifest themselves to that extent, they simply have no logical reason to feel proud of something they had nothing to do with other than quench their soul's thirst for egotistic pleasure, and to imagine themselves as somehow superior to other men, this kind of cognitive laziness could only lead to negative outcomes and is contemptible.
>>1407735
All the good bits were in Turkey
>>1407783
So any sort of national pride is contemptible?
The association of modern-Greek culture with ancient Greek culture isn't as tenuous as you make it out to be. Modern Greek culture is a result of 20th century western Capitalism, 19th century European Nationalism, a few centuries of Balkan Ottoman occupation, 1000 years of Byzantine culture and a couple thousand more of Greco-Roman culture prior to that. Some cultural values of the past remain and to the extent that one lives their life according to them, they are entirely justified to feel proud of that.
>>1407742
It probably never existed, anon.
>>1407804
It did. But it wasn't as the OP pic depicted it.
>>1407804
It existed, but it didn't span the entrance to the port. It stood aside it.
>>1407808
>>1407810
Something did exist, but it isn't the Colossus of Rhodes as most people see it, is what I meant.
I am sure there was a bronze statue, and it was probably big (as in, larger than a man, which was the standard), and it was probably near the port, where visitors would see it.
Anything more than that, I am skeptical.
>>1407768
>Why not?
because feeling proud of everything that exists without being an indication to yourself as being good takes out the virtue of proudness and leaves it dull and devoid of intellectual merit, the purpose of the feeling of being proud is so that you could indulge in your progress on the virtuous path, to make everything proud-able is equivalent of making everything beautiful or good, it takes the meaning out of the concept and leaves it deformed and wretched.
>Why should you only be proud in that? Should one not feel proud of their son when they do good, even if they did good independently?
A son has everything to do with you as a parent, obviously you should be proud of him as he is literally your own creation and points to your virtuousness.
>Assumption
Some assumptions are just logical conclusions
>>1407803
Stop generalizing ideas like a pleb, nationality is a symptom of the built in capacity of humans to identify with group mentality, if you had significant impact on the current manifestation of nationalistic conception than sure you have everything to be proud of, but if by the limits of space-time or any other variable a given culture was not of your making than it doesn't indicate anything to your merit as a human and shouldn't generate a feeling of proudness, it's really not complicated just think logically and be honest with yourself.
>>1407787
This, only constantinople was the exception, there was a reason why the byzantine got so fucking scared after the seljuk roaches kicked them out of anatolia.
>>1407826
I'd reply to this properly, but this shitty Android browser covers your post with my reply box and deletes my post if I try to go back.
So I'll just give you a lazy, vacuous conterargument:
Virtue is a spook lmao
HAAHAHAHAHAH THE MARBLE KING SHALL AWAKEN AND PUSH THE TURKS BACK TO THE RED APPLE TREE
THE PURPLE PHOENIX SHALL ARISE FROM ITS ASHES
ΣΩΣΟΝ ΚΥΡΙΕ ΤΟΝ ΛΑΟ ΣΟΥ ΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑ
>>1407864
By definition, anyone who is influenced by a culture and who then contributes to it (by virtue of merely participating in it, so everyone except for basement dwellers) is entitled to feel a connection to it and thus, be proud. This doesn't just go for "national cultures" (which are hard to define anyway) but any sort of culture. I have the feeling you're on the spectrum.
>>1407878
Everything is a spook,the concept of spook is a wonderful example of what I meant with identifying everything with a word, a word exists as a system of specific laws and limitations to generate a placeholder for easily accessible meaning, if you take the borders out of a word and make it to mean everything it becomes meaningless.
>>1407640
I never noticed that big ass rod jutting out from his ass.
>>1407895
I said significant impact, your lowered standards of proudness are idiotic, by your standards you should be proud automatically of everything that's related to your culture because you are a part of it simply by existing(wars, reality tv shows, music, gay parades)
See why your thinking doesn't work?
>>1407940
You don't have to be proud of aspects of your culture that you don't participate in. I don't fight in my countries wars or support them, don't watch or take part in reality tv shows, or go to gay parades. Therefore I don't feel any connection or pride relating to them. Simple.
>>1407735
>Byzantine Empire
>Greece
pick one, because these are two different countries and identities
second one didn't even really exist in ancient times
man greeks are such niggers, trying to both claim Byzantine AND greek history
fucking irritating little turks speaking greek
>>1407962
Did you invent your culture's history? flag? national anthem? art? science? philosophy? did you contribute to any of these branches anything at all?
Your logic is basically
>I was born to a specific kind of culture that has nothing to do with me, but I choose to be proud only in things that I have nothing to do with but I identify with and not these other things that I have nothing to do with but I don't identify with
You simply want to feel the easy satisfaction of self indulgence and egocentric behavior with your non-existant standards, just be honest with yourself and admit your contemptiblity
>>1407994
So Germans have no claim to Frederick's legacy or the Teutons?
Idiotic 3rd worlder. It's understandable that you don't grasp such concepts if you're from a place with no history.
>>1407640
It's the shithole mentality - I also live in one - Romania.
I don't share the mentality but it's real and prevalent among most people.
Brag about history and most of that history is actually buffed up by conspiracy theories and dumb hypothesizes which would be deconstructed in 10 seconds if any academician took serious interest.
We should constantly live in the present and be proud with what we have when we have - and work to maintain it or shape it in something better.
Hanging in ancient past - which is absolutely irrelevant for today, is pure depression + I repeat this is a fact people base themselves on conspiracy theories and dumb ideas, not even historical reality.
>>1408011
they don't
remember romans literally went to war with greeks and conqured them, assimilated them
how can you claim both the one and the other
you have to be a confused turk to do that
>>1408014
Which period of Romanian history are Romanians especially proud of?
>>1408019
Good question - I don't know what's the general interest.
The
>we wuz aspect
of it is with ancient Dacia history - they invent lots of stupid shit.
I'm personally interested in late medieval history and that's about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_the_Middle_Ages
^ but ain't nobody got time to read that.
Read the brief on main page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Romania
scroll to Middle Ages
>>1408034
not him, but is this correct:
romania in middle ages was predominantly slavic - wallachia and moldavia, even writing using the slav alphabet, but there was a minority speaking a romanece language, which later took over
>>1407640
>wewuzist
out of the loop, what does that even mean?
>>1408018
But that's the case with almost every single country in the world. Modern day nation-states are the results of various entities taking over each other to reach the point we're at today. This doesn't stop you from identifying with the elements of those entities' cultures that remain in the present day and that you appreciate.
>>1408006
I've come to the conclusion that you exist in a sphere of autism and have no interaction with the outside world. Therefore it is pointless to continue this conversation. Your perception of pride is unlike anyone else's, in fact it seems you total reject it as an idea in preference of satisfaction. You're a simple, mechanistic being.
>>1408045
when people claim egyptians were black, people who think egyptians weren't black say 'WE WUZ KAAAAAANGZ N SHIIEEET' emulating black amircan speak, being ironic etc.
wewuzist would then mean people who leech off history that's not their own - exactly like modern day greeks
>>1408038
No one said that.
No it was not predominantely slavic, ethnically speaking - pretty much the same group of people since Dacian-Roman mixture stayed in the lands without wars, conquests and so on ... just didnunuffin for a huge period of time. The slavic immigration's were a minority.
And the proto-slav alphabet was used only in Church life for Church administrative reasons, mainly Byzantines lossing control of slavic regions in Europe - and their representants having to join patriarchate of Rome.
So it was more like slavic alphabet was the Roman approved Church alphabet for the regions.
Romania was more fond of Byzantines tho and pretty much based our first biblical translations and even earlier Church texts on the Greek.
Saying that Romania is slav is not historically and ethnically correct. There's this research group that genetically mapped Europe - their various mappings clearly show that there's not a link at all to slavs.
>>1408052
>when people who think egyptians weren't black claim egyptians were black, people who think egyptians weren't black say 'WE WUZ KAAAAAANGZ N SHIIEEET' emulating black amircan speak, being ironic etc.
Fixed for you
Everything's deterministic so there's either nothing to be proud of or everything to be proud of.
I err on the side of nothing.
After all, nothing is the basis for all, and nothing lasts forever, and so nothing is something to be proud of.
>>1408049
>But that's the case with almost every single country in the world.
No it isn't.
Countries have to preserve ethnic identity/ethnonym, otherwise it simply doesn't count as preserving the nation into the next generation.
You can't skip generations, and say 'muh culture', 'muh language' , 'muh religion'.
>>1408054
>there's not a link at all to slavs.
>at all
but mircu, vlad etc. are slavic names + there are many slavic words in romanian
anyway
>>1408062
*tips fedora*
God I hate these teenage nihilists.
>But they lied to me in church, man! If there is no God then NOTHING matters, MAN!
Stop beign so butthurt that you were hoodwinked and find you own identity.
people who are worthless and have nothing in life hang onto others peoples accomplishments simply by some stupid association... nationality, language, ethnicity, skin color.
>>1408073
There's a slavic influence in our language yes.
I don't think names of one nation have to be inspired 100% from its distant past.
Romania was surrounded by slavic nations - lots of them traveled to do trade, it obviously influence the whole culture.
But ethnically speaking not slavic, but some of them mixed indeed.
But anyway why the fuck matters - modern genetics showed that Romanians are not slavic and secondly we have other problems right now.
>>1408124
>Wow these arguments are correct
>Lets just stop having borders, nationalism is stupid
>Turns out the natives actually were better than other when the country becomes new pakistan/mexico
>>1407787
Thessalonica was in Turkey?
Would the ancient Macedonians be considered racially Greek? The Greeks looked down on them as barbarians from the north, and most Macedonians didn't consider themselves to be greek, yet the leaders did for the most part.
>>1407640
>not understanding wewuz
>>1408169
greeks didn't consider themselves greek either
>>1408231
Then why did they go on pan-Hellenic crusades? (minus Sparta)
>>1408234
>pan-Hellenic
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
do you see the problem and how your post actually doesn't make sense as a response to my post
you should by now
>>1408253
Nope, Hellenic and greek mean the same thing
>>1408262
today
>>1408266
Ok then did macedonians consider themselves Hellenic?
>>1408191
This
"wewuzism" is when people claim to be descended from historical peoples or cultures when they actually weren't. For example:
"AFRICAN AMERICANS WUZ THE JEWS AND EGYPTIANS AND SHIEEEET!"
"muh heritage" is what you are looking for OP.
>>1408274
i don't know
what i know is both macedonians and the people you call greek are victims of historical thievery by fyrom and greece
are you 'greek'
>>1407892
are you ok, anon
>>1408290
No I'm british, just interested in Ancient Greece and Alexander the Great
Greeks are literally the worst people on this planet
>turkish rapebabies
>did literally nothing for mankind, just cried their way towards anything they got now
>only way how they survive is leeching of others
>their whole country is poor af, and dirty and smelly
>and still think they are so great because their (0,000005%) ancestors were god-tier thousands of years ago
Turkey should unironically annex them, they serve zero purpose in this world
>>1407640
Is there ANYONE on /his/ that thinks building this is a good idea?
>>1408169
Modern greek identity includes Macedonia who are probably genetically the same as they were back then. Greeks had some sense of identity but it didn't count for much and Macedonia was indeed excluded for quite a while. When the Romans conquered greece in fact some of them looked at rome as liberators from macedon. FYROM however is bulgar and doesn't really have any connection to Macedonia beyond name.
What exactly 'Greek' is could be debated for decades but historically the Hellenic people were thought to stretch from Attica to Constantinople.
>>1408064
>Countries have to preserve ethnic identity/ethnonym, otherwise it simply doesn't count as preserving the nation into the next generation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Greeks
>>1408169
>The Greeks looked down on them as barbarians from the north
The Ancient Greeks would call anyone they didn't like a barbarian, even if it was a fellow Ancient Greek as well.
>>1407640
We wuz is only for people claiming to be a different people they never were, like black Americans claiming to be Egyptians. Nice reading comprehension.
>>1408902
>didn't like a barbarian
Shut up. Barbarian was a word used for people who didn't speak Greek, hence everyone but themselves.
>>1408937
The Spartans called the Athenians barbarians during the fucking Pelopponisian War.
>>1407892
>>1407640
It's not we wuz if they actually were, you mouthbreathing fucking memeing retard.
>>1409105
Fuck off retarded stormnigger.
When you are under turkish occupation for 400 years of course you are going to lag behind in the sciences and the arts.
Every reputable scientist says that modern greeks are very close to ancient greeks, you would know that if you bothered to read once in a while.
Fucking stormniggers, you ruined /pol/ and now you are trying to ruin /his/ as well.
>>1407878
Can you define spook for me? Ive never heard it used in this context before
>>1409135
>Can you define spook for me?
you don't belong here.
>>1409135
it means "Thing that you like that I don't like".
>>1407640
They still call Istanbul "Constantinople" and don't accept it's not theirs anymore. Hilarious
>>1409133
it's all the fault of socrates desu
I would be pretty chuffed if my ancestors were the founders of western civilization, fended off the persians against the odds, and made huge contributions to art, philosophy, language, maths, etc.
>>1407818
just let us bealieeeeeeve
>Alexander and his fellow Macedonians looked down on the Greek soldiers as unreliable and cowardly
AYOOO HOL UP 'smacks cross on their fat chest
U WUZ SAYIN 'makes gyros kebab'
WE WUZ ALEXANDER N SHIEEET!? 'takes a loan'
>>1407818
Same.
When you have Greek historians claiming Daedalus existed and that he built realistic wooden statues that came to life via magic, I'm gonna take a giant colossus spanning a seaport with a grain of salt too.
>>1407787
Ill take retardation for 2000 trebeck. Oh shit daily double!!
>>1410291
Well hopefully you would actually do something to make yourself worthy of that legacy instead of sitting around and being a lazy retard like every modern Greek.
>>1407640
Ancient Greece is amazing desu senpai.
>>1407640
>>1410906
Also, pic related
>>1408966
Well was everyone else in the room laughing or were they too afraid of a dory in the dick?
Don't modern Greeks have almost no ties to the Archaic and Classical Greece? Isn't it appropriation.
I mean Greece has changed ownership from the Romans, to the Venetians to the Ottomans. It's thousands of years of different people owning the land. It's like saying modern day Italians are direct decedents of the Romans.
>>1411115
The Romans were the only ones who actually influenced Greeks as a whole to the point where they claimed to be Romans themselves. Venetians and Ottomans on the other hand were simply occupiers; nothing more, nothing less.
>>1407787
Ding ding ding, retard alert
>>1407640
We are all like this because we built your covilization while you were stacking mudhouses.
>>1411115
Do you think entire populations just swap around because the ruling body changes?
Are you seriously implying that because Greeks were ruled by Ottomans for centuries that they somehow aren't descended from Byzantine Greeks? And because Byzantine Greeks were ruled by "Romans" that they somehow weren't descended from Classical Greeks?
>>1412116
And now it's the other way around
3rd generation Greek American here. I've been totally infatuated with ancient greek mythology since I was a child, and as I grew I became an admirer of classical philosophy and art.
Renaissance and Enlightenment era glorification of high Greek culture only adds fuel to the fire.
In a purely romantic way, I would love to attach some cord between those people and myself - some sense of ancestor worship, I suppose. To make my admiration spiritual and personal due to my ethnicity.
I have no way of knowing if that desire can be rationalized, of course; I just want it to be true.
Not sure if we wuz, but I know they wuz and it's be great if I wuz dem too.
>>1412529
Bro, I feel the same about history and culture of my ancenstors. By the way, I'm Greek from Russia.
What do you think about Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων? Was it a great time for greek-romans for you?
>>1412578
>Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων
>Was it a great time for greek-romans for you?
I suppose so. Certainly better than what's going on today! I don't admire it as much as I do antiquity, though.
It is ironic, because the real tactile culture my family maintained was through the Greek Orthodox church; these are the tactile, personal memories I actually possess, my more honest lineage I suppose.
It's not what I want, though; my more 'romantic' yearnings are for Hellenic imagery. I have nothing against Christianity, of course, it just doesn't really factor into my sense of self as a Greek. I haven't maintained any relationship with the church at all and don't plan to. So ironically I suppose my link to the Byzantine has been severed.
>>1412116
Pay your fucking debts, Alexandropouloconatantinopoulopapapoulos!
>>1412692
Όχι
>>1409133
also Christianity played a significant role in dismissing a lot of the ancient greek and greco-roman values,ethics and scientific and philosophical aspects.
Being i greek myself,i feel that the modern greek people are an amalgamation of the ancients,a lot of orientals after hellenistic union after Alexander,romans as a political/citizen status,some slavs and whatever albanians(αρβανιτες) are(maybe illyrians or some other people).
the modern state of greece started before 2 centuries as a continuation of medieval byzantine greek identity and nationalistic values of 19th century and politics of the great Powers(the eastern question,the sick man of europe,the dissolution of the ottoman empire) made ancient greece direct mother of the modern greeks.Ofcourse there is a connection,like angles and saxons have a small connection with modern English.However,greeks are romans in dna,with the mixing of races happening in this land since 2300 years before,at least.there are also differences in between regions of modern greece,macedons(meaning macedons in Thessaloniki not ''macedons'' of FYROM) being more roman(ρωμιοι)than people of peloponnese,more slavs were migrating there in early medieval times).If any greek is to be proud he has to be proud about the efficiency of the intermixing and hellenization of most people who inhabited southern balkans and anatolian coast.the greek element after christendom was always a leading part of everything that happened in that area.
So even if there are changes between ancient and modern greeks,there is a direct line to follow between say aristotle or athenians and byzantine greeks and finally the modern people of greece,who have debts as far as olympus.Its a stupid,ignorant,nationalistic view to say that we are descentants of ancient spartans and Alexander,but a significant portion of the population has genetic and cultural(linguistic mostly) ties with the legends of ancient greece.
>>1413015
And i would like to add that even in greece the history in schools teaches us that byzantine empire is something different,not a roman state,starting from 330 AD,mind you.there is so much darkness in knowledge in greece today about history or political facts of the last 200 years that a lot of people are disillusioned,in my opinion.Voting for golden dawn confirms this.and the attachment to the orthodox church and nationalistic ultragreek values makes me sick as an ancient greek was greek more in spirit than in blood-DNA,at least that is what the most gifted of our forefathers thought.
>>1411115
ancient greek is 99% intelligible to modern greeks.
There is also a continuous chain of greek traditions that have survived.
Genetically they may be somewhat different due to the ottoman occupation, but they are fundamentally the same people.
>>1412645
I used to hate going to church and then I had an epiphany that made me love going and actually made me value the modern Orthodox vis a vis the modern Catholic/Protestant churches. The reason is that having been all around Europe and seen recreations of medieval Europe both in real life and in countless films etc., I've always yearned to see what Greece was like in that period. Due to the obvious importance of Classical and other ancient ruins/artifacts in Greece, medieval monuments are far less popular and never really restored. Then I realised that the closest you can get to a Byzantine re-enactment is an Orthodox church liturgy. The robes of the priests are as close as you can get to noble/formal Byzantine clothing, not too different from what a Dux would wear. The music is also very similar to what secular Byzantine music would have sounded and finally the architecture, decoration, banners etc. are more or less exactly the same as they would have been back then. If you're lucky enough to go to a liturgy in an Orthodox church that was built in medieval times, it's a magical experience like being in a time-capsule. Despite not being religious, I love going for this very reason.
>>1413303
>ottoman occupation
Slavic invasions.
So yeah, ironically, modern Greeks are ''whiter'' because they mixed with some Slavs who settled in Greece over time.
Mix with Turks is non-existent. Turks are literally converted Greeks themselves for the big part.
So even if theoretical mass rape that never happened in any conquest in history happen, it would be Anatolian Greeks raping Greek Greeks. Which would mean literally nothing in genetic sense, since those people mixed long before Turks ever came.
Turks were nomads, Central Asians. When conquering Anatolia, they formed a ruling elite and gradually increased in number because of conversions and adoption of Turkish language by natives.
>>1407640
The fact that they actually wuz, and the fact that the Ancient Greeks are so central to the development of most facets of European history, leads me to forgive them a bit.
I dislike people taking pride from things they haven't done in general, and I'm angry when even the legacy claims are bullshit (like some Greeks saying all Indo-European languages actually come from Greek, kind of like the Indians). But I can understand why they'd look at the past of what happened in their regions and be proud of it.
I can even understand why they'd dislike the Turks for taking their clay, even if I'm bothered by the random hate for Turks in this site and dislike silly grudges in general.
In any case, ultimately I hope Greeks can pay their denbts and start being relevant for good reasons some time again in the future.
>>1413394
Also, I swear this should be posted and stickied by mods.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet_%28Ottoman_Empire%29
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people
STOP THIS RETARDED MEME
There was no GENETIC influence in Ottoman period.
There was, however, major cultural cucking, which is far worse and which pertains even today. Though arguably Ottomans adopted some Byzantine traits too.
>>1413405
>There was no GENETIC influence in Ottoman period.
That's because Turks were Muslims and Greeks were Christian and intermarriage was forbidden for both. The similarities in genetics are partially due to the large number of Asia Minor Greeks who came over after 1922. They're also Greek, but the Turks who lived alongside them, in the Western parts of Turkey were partially descended from Greeks themselves, which explains the similarity.
>>1413405
What sort of cultural cucking?
I don't know much about Ottoman Greece but it sounds interesting.
>>1413446
>Turkey
Gobekli Tepe (oldest known civilization)
Derinkuyu underground city (mysterious underground city)
Pre-Socratic philosophers (including Thales and Heraclitus)
Cappadocian Church Fathers
Marvelous Greek and Roman heritage sites
Constantinople
Hagia Sophia...
>Then the T*rks arrive.
Such a waste.
>>1413303
>Genetically they may be somewhat different due to the ottoman occupation, but they are fundamentally the same people.
More like they are literally all just Middle Eastern with very little Greek blood. Why do historians still maintain the facade that the Ottomans and Moors peacefully assimilated into some multicultural 20th century Greek melting pot when the first thing most conquerors did when they took a city is murder all the males and enslave everyone else? This is especially true with Middle Eastern conquests. If you look at pictures of random Greeks walking around in cities and say it's from the Middle East most people would not even question it their conquest was so complete.
Yet all the proof that scientists can come up with to the contrary is cooked lab pie graphs, and of course historians eat it up like it was written by the ancient Greeks themselves in stone. They even try to pull the same shit with Egyptians even with all the artwork they left behind.
The lack of achievements of modern Greece has nothing to do with genetics and economics (ancient Greece was relatively poor too, in comparison with Egypt and Persia).
No. It has to do with them neglecting to worship the blessed gods, and worshipping a hook-nosed, goblin-faced kike in their stead.
They have turned their backs to the gods, and the gods have turned their backs on them.
>>1413598
Word.
I can't believe some people here still think England is "Celtic".
>>1413618
Didn't modern genetic testing confirm that they're still largely related to the original Britons?
>not bragging about your ancient history
Who the fuck cares if you're not blood related to the guys it's about? Do you even know how much populations move and fluctuate over time (protip it's a lot)? Awesome things happened in your current location so fucking embrace it.
>>1413598
male killing didnt happen so largely in greece.what about the moors man.do you even know when was the last documented moorish rule in greece?1000 years ago.ruling doesnt assimilate you but only culturally,which is worse btw.ancient greeks may looked eastern to your eye too.there is more to white caucasians than the nordic germanic characteristics.most greek people look extremely white.also about 20% of egyptians are that white.you can't judge genetics just from colour.tere are huge differences in patterns from greeks to turkish,syrians and other levantines.
>>1413598
That's not true though. Look at modern Ukraine. There are a lot of mongol rape babies, but the overwhelming majority is still slavic.
>>1410909
Posting complimentary version.
Someone should grab the best parts of both of these charts and make a unified one.
>>1411680
t. Butthurt Greek
Leave this board you hairy nigger and get cucked by Turks.
>>1410291
That was literally more than 2000 years ago. Greeks today are worthless welfareniggers who aren't even genetically close to the Nordic ruling elite of Ancient Greece.
>>1414555
>Nordic ruling elite of Ancient Greece
And here. We. Go!
>Pausanias, Description of Greece 1. 14. 6 (trans. Jones) (Greek travelogue C2nd A.D.) :
"I saw that the statue of Athena had blue eyes . . . For the Libyans have a saying that the goddess is the daughter of Poseidon . . . and for this reason has blue eyes like Poseidon."
>Philostratus the Younger, Imagines 8 (trans. Fairbanks) (Greek rhetorician C3rd A.D.) :
"[From a description of a Greek painting:] Three goddesses standing near them--they need no interpreter to tell who they are; for Athena is recognized at a glance, clothed as she is in what the poets call the ‘panoply of her race,’ casting a ‘bright glance’ from under her helmet, and ruddy of face as well as masculine in general appearance."
>blue eyes
>ruddy of face
Get cucked Turko-Albanians!
http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Athena.html#Descriptions
>>1408162
atatürk himself was born there, it doesn't get more turkish than that :)
>>1413630
Yes, he doesn't know what he's talking about, nobody thinks that in the UK. British Celts have been found to have far more in common (genetically) with other Britons than any of the non-British Celts.
>>1414555
I know this is bait but still, please, kill yourself in a painful way.
>>1414575
>they made athena ugly so no one would lust after her
Gold.
>>1407892
H-he's gonna. One of these days. Just you wait.
>>1414714
what about that,ataturk was just a homosexual fuckin dictator who made the failing multinational ottomans the current shitstorm turkey is.if you say that thessaloniki,a place with abundance of jews in the 19 century,and biggest greek population than athens at the start of the 20th century was turkish just because the father of turks was born there you are either a successful bait or a tard.
