What was the greatest historical bifurcation? Like was there a moment when hundred years or fates of entire national was decided by the pretty minor event? Maybe the war that was truly even without way to predict even with hindsight who would win. Any examples of serious historical uncertainties?
Vladimir Ulyanov wouldn't have become Lenin if his brother wasn't killed by tzarist guards.
>>1405940
>Like was there a moment when hundred years or fates of entire national was decided by the pretty minor event
the machination of any monarchy desu
>>1405940
>What was the greatest historical bifurcation?
The invention of trousers.
>>1405970
this
Franz Ferdinand's car stopping in front of Gavroli Princip's favorite sandwich shop.
>>1405970
Underrated
Battle of the Teutoburg Forest
Rome keeps Germania
This changes so much of Roman and European history and the world
Would Rome have survived longer if not sacked by goths
Would a centralized German province not made out of thousands of Microstates emerged out of the Roman province of Germania
Shifting the balance of power on the continent forever changing the course of the Renaissance, Colonization, the spread of Catholicism, etc
No Bismarck means no ww1 or ww2
No ww2 means America as a sole western superpower never happens
The current world could've so fundamentally different it has potential for insanity
All because a few thousand savages had good leadership flaming boulders and wanted some Roman legions dead
>>1406567
The East Germanics were the ones that fucked up Rome and they didn't come from Germania.
>>1406577
Still changes the course of world history immensely
Name a more significant event
>>1406567
>Would a centralized German province not made out of thousands of Microstates emerged out of the Roman province of Germania
>Roman influence of centralisation
>arguably, Italy was the most centralised province of the Romans
>???
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>>1406588
Italy had no Charlemagne
>>1406590
And yet, France went to being completely decentralised in certain periods after Charlememe, as well as Middle Francia and HRE.
Basically, it didn't matter for shit how centralised the area was under the Romans.
>>1406597
It mattered in the fact that there would be a foundation for a Germanic state earlier and the circumstances for the German empire as we knew it would never have happened
>>1406616
>would never have happened
t. TimeLord
>>1406622
It's true though
And no amount of post ironic shitposting can further your argument
>>1406616
Where did Rome leave a foundation for a state anywhere?
>>1406628
England
France
The Iberian peninsula
Austria
Faggot
The great lisbon quake of 1755
>>1406582
>Name a more significant event
Pyrrhus defeats the Romans.
Hannibal defeats Rome.
Darius defeats the Greeks.
Vikings decide to colonize America.
Belisarius becomes king of the Ostrogoths.
Napoleon decides not to invade Russia/Russia surrenders after Napoleon takes Moscow
>>1405990
Something like this
>>1406704
>Vikings decide to colonize America.
Why's you ruin your post with this meme answer
>>1406704
>Vikings decide to colonize America.
What did this actually affect?
>>1406713
>>1406717
Okay, change "colonize" with "explore".
The point is that America becoming known at any other point in history brings extremely different outcomes. Vikings probably thought they'd found another Greenland, but if they had decided to spread out, and word got back to Europe, the world would be a completely different place.
>>1405940
Richard III not being able to kill Henry Tudor at Bosworth. He managed to kill his standard bearer and unhorsed his bodyguard, so he was very close to the man himself. If the blows that hit either of those had killed Henry instead, all of English and British history could be radically different.
>>1405940
Columbus accidentally discovering America on his way to India.
>>1406764
China.
He was trying to find China so he could convert the Emperor to Christianity and get him to attack Jerusalem from the East while Europeans attacked from the West.
>>1405940
It is impossible to know the answer to this question.
Any answer given here will more than likely be wrong.
>>1406771
Pretty sure he just wanted to cut the Ottoman middleman to get them Indian spices and Chinese everything cheaper.
>>1406771
Nah. Colombus was generally trying to find any route east.
>>1405940
The mongol conquests in general, I mean they were not "small" but extremely short by comparison and they Rekt parts of the middle east forever, Afghanistan for example was a flourishing and great land but they will never regain their former glory.
>>1405940
All of WWI, WWII, The Holocaust, The Cold War, and the current "War on Terrorism" was pretty much all started when a teenager shot a politician, so there you go.
>>1405970
prehistory.
>>1407520
You mean if that one furry guy would miss a shot, World War I wouldn't start for some other reason?
>>1407540
Maybe. If some other guy didn't get to him first.
>>1407520
It's almost like there's something behind them, pulling the strings...
>>1405990
The mistreatment of Serbians. Over. Decades.
>>1409848
Oh fuck off dog Serbs were treated just fine
>>1406567
Taking over Germany would've stopped the Lutheran(John Calvin) movement and subsequently pilgrims would've never reached 'MERICA to seek out the first amendment in the bill of rights.
>>1405940
If the Seleucids had bothered to put down the Maccabees, the Hellenization of the Jews would have been finalized. Jews would become vectors of Greek philosophy while their tribal religion would be relegated to the hills where it would gradually die out.
This means no Christianity and no Islam.
>>1406567
That battle wasn't a minor event.
But it was all caused by Drusus falling off his horse and dying.
As well as the rest of the julio-claudian failures.
The fall of the roman empire was the consequence of that fall.
Clovis converting to Catholicism instead or Arianism. Founding event of Western civilisation.
Jan Hus reading about Wycliffe. The protestant reformation, 30 years war, peace of Westphalia, Austro-Hungarian compromise, Pope Francis, the USA, none of it would have happened if some random Czech guy didn't read shit written by an English wandering preacher.
>>1409979
It was many wars that started all at once. If things had played out differently then those wars would have happened at different times.
And every nation has plans for war. That doesn't necessarily mean they want to use them.
>>1410328
.And every nation has plans for war. That doesn't necessarily mean they want to use them.
Are you serious m8? Don't you know anything about WWI?
Both the Jerries and the Frogs were aching for war, the first wanting to put the French out to pasture forever and the latter wanting to reclaim Alsace Lorraine
Assasination of Lincoln. Death of Cyrus. Death of emperor Julian. When Trajan decided not to incorporate Persia into Roman hegemony after all.
When Heraklios became afraid of water.
>>1410341
There were members of every country that wanted war and members who didn't.
>>1410360
Yeah but the jingoists outnumbered the pacifists by 90% or so
>>1409979
>they already had the war plans drafted and all that
Every nation has at all times war plans - even and especially nowadays. What do you think does the military do in their spare time? Preparing for war does not just require physical practice, it also requires planning.
>>1410381
They do, but the Schlieffen plan had timetables down to the fucking minute. You don't invest that much time in it if you don't want war. Not to mention that Von Moltke intentionally tried to get the war going on with the Russians
>>1410372
Nicholas II and Wilhelm II didn't want war and Franz Ferdinand, the next in line for throne in Austria-Hungary, was opposed to Conrad von Hötzendor dreams of starting a war in the Balkans. So I don't know what you are on about when you claim that everyone of consequence wanted war.
>>1410401
The people and the high brass wanted war, nobody gives a shit about figureheads.
And Wilhelm was a bipolar fuck who almost fucked up their entire invasion plan because he changed his mind at the last moment
>>1410405
>heads of the military wanted to use the military and the people who told the military's what to do didn't want war, therefore war is impossible to avoid
wew
>And Wilhelm was a bipolar fuck who almost fuck...
It's beginning to smell perfidious in here.
>>1410408
You might as well have slammed your head down on the keyboard and you would've made just as much sense
>>1410417
You are in effect saying that war is NEVER avoidable under any circumstances because military higher-ups always want to use the military and that the heads of state who control the state never have a say. That is obviously wrong.
Also I'm claiming you are a perfidious albion.
>>1410434
Good job extrapolating something completely fucking different from what I said.
Obviously heads of state get a say, but Wilhelm was just a puppet to his ministers and generals, and the Tsar was getting his grasp on power removed slowly yet surely.
How about you learn more about history before you start shitting up threads?
When Gemisthe Plethon participated in the Fiorentinan Concile and brang with him Plato's corpus and many other text which where unavailable in Europe. A few years after, Constanopolis was to become vibrant and diverse and, you know, not welcoming to haram writings.
>>1410448
That's exactly what you were saying. You said that because people in the military want war that nothing else matters, which is flat out wrong. A lot of things matter and your ridiculous simplification doesn't hold water. Also there were ambassadors doing their best trying to stop war.
Furthermore, the fact that nations wanted war didn't mean that multiple wars HAD to happen at the same time.
>>1410464
>That's exactly what you were saying
I was talking specifically about WWI, not wars in general.
>You said that because people in the military want war that nothing else matters, which is flat out wrong
Military AND the people, I said.
>Furthermore, the fact that nations wanted war didn't mean that multiple wars HAD to happen at the same time.
Only yes they had to, because the countries were interconnected with complex alliances and treaties and the like
>>1410475
The treaty between Germany and Austria-Hungary and Russia's promise to protect slavic interests in the Balkans were one time deals for that specific situation.
Had there never been an excuse to go to war before 1917 (when Germany projected that Russia would modernize her rail lines) by then then the Schlieffen plan would have been thrown out. Russia would also care a lot less about her alliance with France. If Franz Ferdinand had come to the thrown then war in the Balkans would have become much much less likely since he advocating giving Slavs a bigger a lot more rights as the third part of a three part Austria Hungary Slavic state.
>>1406704
>Vikings decide to colonize America
Ok, so upon the first look this seems dumb. Vikings couldn't have colonized "The Dawnland" because the Natives were still at full strength and the Maritimes/New England was densely settled at the time.
BUT suppose the Vikings got real DeSoto with the whole thing, bringing domesticated animals and thus their zootropic diseases, beginning the extermination of the indiginous americans 300 years earlier.
A few questions first:
1. Did Vikings keep a lot of pigs, horses, sheep, etc? If so what?
2. Were their ships capable of transporting these animals to Newfoundland?
3. Would the vikings have carried the same type of diseases as the conquistadors?
>>1407499
We don't know that.
Every new iteration of human history brings with it unknown and unforseen winners and losers.
Imagine telling a Byzantine refugee in 1470 that the sack of Constantinople cemented European world dominance into place for at least 500 years.
>>1406704
>implying Napoleon could have chosen not to invade Russia
>implying Russia could have surrendered to Napoleon
>>1405940
Murder of the prince Ferdinand
>>1409827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld2nWfIap2k
>>1410586
Part of the reason why vikings got rekt the 2nd time in Vinland was because they brought cattle and gave milk to natives. They got their little tummies sick and thought it was poison.
>>1405940
The day the gentle laborer bit back.
>>1405940
47 million years ago a needle fell off a tree. If it had landed slightly to the right human civilization would have been set back 17000 years
>>1405940
Feminism.
Abraham dying at birth.
>>1405940
Brexit
>>1411382
More precise/explanation here pls. Cant figure rhat one out.
