Why can't Russia into liberalism?
>>1386658
What a qt.
>>1386658
>soviet nazis
>soviet
>nazis
How fucking wrong is that image.
>>1386658
Maybe for the simple thing that it wants to diverge from the West?
>>1386658
>The two Groups who killed each other more than anyone else in history joining force
>National Bolshevism
I AM FUCKING DONE
FUCK OFF
Eduard Limonov is numero uno.
>>1386658
They can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5He_PGomJVs
Link related, their top liberal politician.
They tried extreme liberalism for a few decades but it didn't work out too well.
>>1386718
That ain't liberalism you fool
>>1386721
>It wasn't my specific brand of infallible socialism that toally works so it wasn't real socialism
>>1386723
>quoting nobody
>>1386658
>be russian
>get despotism
>>1386721
Spot the American
>>1386723
>Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.
because they're not degenerate
>>1386763
Very little you know about Russia I assume
Russians are still reeling from the economic liberalisation from the 90's. They called the Demshiza period, (Democratic schizophrenia). And can you blame them? Look at all the big liberal politicians in Russia, they're all rich shills for western governments and multinational corporations. If Putin hadn't come along, it would still be in the age of Ukraine is today
1. A multiethnic state in a liberal democracy? the country would balkanise immediately
2. Without a centrally planned or mixed economy many people in the countryside would starve
3a. Russia has no topographical defense against invasion unlike Switzerland or the United Kingdom
3b. This has lead to innumerable invasions from the West since it is open game for hungry European militarists. Authoritarianism is simply a matter of self preservation, Russia needs solidarity or it will collapse.
4. Orthodox Christianity/steppe mentality. When Tolstoy writes "God" he means Marx. The Russian religion looks to the endless horizon and sees a horizontal brotherhood of men, this is not the individualist Protestantism of the American colonies.
>pic related
>>1386658
>nazi salute
>soviet hammer and sickle
>>1387046
Nazbols are special
>>1387046
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_One_Country
>>1387050
I never thought this kind of shit was possible and yet... Proves only that extremists don't give a shit about coherence and will mix up anything they find cool and forget the rest just to fit in their retarded fantasy.
>>1386658
Cuckstianity was destroyed in this country before it could harm the russian people with his universalist and equalitarian propaganda
>>1387058
Stalin and Hitler were bros but on paper we still have the problem that communism is far left and nazism far right. Nazis could call themselves socialists as much as they wanted but it has nothing to do with communism
>>1387068
>but on paper we still have the problem that communism is far left and nazism far right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
>>1387077
So they embraced it and let hypocrisy behind them ?
>>1387087
What do you mean?
The point is that both the Nazis and the Bolsheviks had an ideological foundation that they never embraced at all.
The Nazis said they were socialists, but they never socialized any industry, in fact they privatized several industries and kept industrial magnates in their pocket the whole time they were in power.
Same thing with the Bolsheviks, they claimed they were communists and wanted to create a communist society, but instead they created a state capitalist society, where the bureaucracy managed everything.
>>1386668
Check my sixes, you know it be true.
Russian people prefer to choose one guy that got to decide what them all should do. Centralization of the power is very high here.
>>1387101
Yeah but that didn't prevent them to go to each other's throats, as we saw in Germany, with each side antagonizing the other because they thought they were different.
In fact, and this is the horseshoe theory, throught their means and the way they worked, they were both as dangerous as the other, and resulted on the same shit.
However, and that is why I am talking about hypocrisy, those russian nazi soviets use both symbols at the same time to unify those two separate doctrines, which as we saw, are closer as they'd like to admit. Something which seems strange at first sight is in fact logical enough to appear as a new doctrine
>>1387111
Pretty much this.
>try monarchy
>get despotism
>try communism
>get despotism
>try democracy
>get despotism
There's no other way to manage a sprawling multiethnic state between global powers.
>>1387115
Yeah, and the reason they went to war was nationalism in the end.
>>1386685
He even looks the part.
It's all just insane crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism
>>1386723
This is >>1386718, you are wrong on your assumption. And I say it ain't liberalism because according to the book "Our political nature: the evolutionary origins of what divides us" far left ('socialism') and far right are similary authoritarian, while liberalism is not.
Besides I do not even consider myself a liberal, but a centrist.
Check out that book I thought it was really fascinating.
>>1387179
> muh horseshoe theory
Communists say that liberalism and fascism are the same too, you know?
>>1386694
>1:15
That fucking double face palm. I feel bad for that guy.
>>1387186
Communists are hardly into science.
>>1387235
More than the liberals for sure.
>>1387235
>materialist
>anti-religious, anti-dualist
>literally called "scientific socialism"
"hardly into science"
>>1387243
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
>>1386723
>Americans
>>1387239
>>1387243
I am not talking of the communist state, but of armchair communists. I used to be on a forum filled with those and Marx ideas are pretty much dogmatic. For example most of them believe history is deterministic.
What is also notable, again from that book, that the far left tends to believe heavily in nurture, ánd nature as cooperative while the far right is more into nature instead of nurture and sees nature as competitive. See >>1387248
>>1386658
history and culture of authoritarianism and despotism
>>1387219
> I feel bad for that guy.
Why would you? He is 4chan of Russian Politics, smart man who most of the time pretending to be retarded or being the absolute madman. This man is a walking meme, basically.
>>1386658
Because slavs are slaves.
>>1386658
They weren't civilized by the eternal anglo.
>>1386672
Capitalists have killed far, far more people than communists have
>>1387318
He's not even a commie, right? Just an imperialist
>>1387077
FUCK OFF
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>>1387318
This guy is fucking based.
Thanks.
>>1387077
Horseshoe theory is retarded.
>wow these two ideologies show some slight resemblance in practice that means they're more similar to each other than different
>>1388872
He is from Liberal Democratic Party, so not commie for sure.
>>1386723
>Liberalism=Socialism
Are you intentionally acting dumb or are you just a typical uneducated American?
>>1386662
National Bolsheviks. Pretty much the Stalinist model, a.k.a. Socialism in One Country.
>>1389000
He's being satirical, comparing liberal apologia to socialist apologia
>>1387058
Excellent predictions Mr. Engels.
![commienazis[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EuIMbpR.jpg "commienazis[1].jpg")
>>1386662
commie nazis
>>1386846
>When Tolstoy writes "God" he means Marx.
Thanks for the laugh
>>1387243
They do not empirically test hypothesis but instead set out to argue for an idea that they already see as fact. Marxist's view of history and social relations is completely deterministic and infallible by design.
>>1388897
You didn't get it, this theory just explains that extreme right and extreme left are not polar opposite, as they should logically be, since they're at both ends of the political spectrum, but are instead dreadfully resemblant in their means and applications, thus the horseshoe form to depict the political spectrum instead of a bar
Usually, when centralized states formed in Europe during the 15th to 17th centuries, merchant city-states ruled by guilds were more or less peacefully absorbed. That's how it happened with London in England, with Paris in France (though some cities tried to use Protestantism to regain privileges) and in Portugal (in Spain the cities revolted against Charles V, but the suppression of the revolt wasn't so violent). Later, these cities and their civic activism formed the basis for liberalism.
In Russia, the city of Novgorod was completely destroyed by Ivan the Terrible and it's oligarchy was slaughtered. The cultural, social and economical basis for liberalism was ended before it could even begin.
>>1387157
Leon Trotsky?
Again, we are not the Enemy.
Please look again.
Please look Yet again.
>>1390132
>muh civic activism
>>1388866
Yeah but individualism lets usShift the blame from the system onto the individual and everybody else is making too much money to care
>liberalism
Liberalism is only possible in a countrys with high living standards. Russia is not.
>>1386658
It did: Communism.
>>1386723
>using canned responses
>misusing the term liberal
>being this american
kill urself my man
>>1391191
Spotted the american
They tried it under Yeltsin, and, well, now he's probably the most hated leader in Russian history
>>1386846
>A multiethnic state in a liberal democracy? the country would balkanise immediately
I dunno, the UK holds itself together despite most Scottish people identifying as Scottish only (60%, although falling.)
Just.
>>1386846
Lol, fuck off
>>1393409
What about modern liberalism?
>People understand their own business and their own interests, but prefer to care more about other's people business and interests and influence it instead of sticking to their own thing.
