What happened to left-wing political violence?
Since the early 80s, essentially all nonstate terrorism has been committed by far-right militants, be them Islamist or white supremacist. Why has the left lost its teeth?
>>1354306
Recuperation.
No financial support from the soviets anymore
>>1354306
We're plotting something big
>>1354306
Soros only funds violence on a scale too small to damage financial infrastructure
>>1354306
Leftists were coopted on the social front. They betrayed their economic aspirations for identity politics.
In Montreal you get shops vandalized for contributing to gentrification and antifa fags beating 'fascists'
>>1354306
Not true in Southern Europe the majority of political violence is still committed by leftcucks/kike puppets
>>1354306
It's still around. Give it time and eventually most people will go back and forth from right wing to left wing.
Truths will be unmasked by opposing sides.
>>1354306
The left has total domination of Western society.
>>1354306
They lost their funding when Andropov died.
Muslims still have funding so they still get to kill people.
>>1354306
You don't need to use terrorism when you control the monopoly of violence.
>>1354306
u wat nigga?
>>1354785
Oh like what.
If you haven't noticed lately the communists haven't done fuck all yet, but fight over wether Stalin is bae or is Trotsky was an new Lenin.
>Zhukov is God emperor needed, but we didn't deserve
We anarchists are full on fucked.
Like really. Cmon now.
no one knows what the fuck antifa is doing.
China and North Korea are bit of a joke. We might see a china rising in our lives.
The socialists party's in the west are a joke.
>>1355119
Why would leftists blow up schools when they are winning?
Only losers resort to terrorism. The left won. USA and UK and Germany are all socialist welfare states.
>>1354306
>What happened to left-wing political violence?
Ask in Greece.
>>1354315
Source on Soviet involvement?
>>1354306
Left-wing political violence is still pretty damn alive
At least in Europe, I don't know about America
It's just not very deadly, for whatever reason
I think Bernie Sanders supporters and Black Lives Matter have proven themselves to be plenty violent, actually.
>>1354787
Soros isn't a leftist at all
>>1354989
>innocent trump supporters
>>1356046
I wish. They're all a bunch of wimps.
How come BLM aren't actively engaging racist institutions? How come Sanders supporters refuse to demand leftist policies through mass protests of Democratic events?
>>1354989
Didn't one of his rallies get crashed by BLM?
>>1356084
Yes, by two overweight black women who screamed down the mike. And he walked away like a bitch
>>1356081
??? They've literally done both of those things, though.
Expect riots at the DNC.
>>1354989
>innocent trump supporters
lad
>>1356084
Early in his campaign BLM disliked him, but after the two incidents he started incorporating their talking points and won their near-unilateral support.
>>1356142
All BLM does is walk down bridges and hold boring rallies. I haven't seen any kind of open-carry community policing, active resistance against racist institutions, or rejecting the economic conditions that contribute to anti-black oppression.
Because BLM is supported by moderate liberals like Soros and the Clinton Foundation, I can't imagine meaningful change ever coming from them.
>>1354306
uhh they call left wing right wing
I win
We noticed that terrorism on the scale that we're able to maintain is not effective. Killing a few capitalists only benefits the survivors. We apparently need to constantly kill a lot to terrorize them.
And despite our hopes, a few murders didn't spark a massive terrorist movement.
So we gave up.
Je suis tombé par terre, c'est la faute à Baader
Le cul dans le ruisseau c'est la faute à Bonnot
>>1356228
>All BLM does is walk down bridges and hold boring rallies.
They also attack white people en masse and promote white genocide.
>>1354306
Soviet Union was broke
>>1356242
What do you mean?
>>1354306
Capitalism subverted them and they became SJWs.
>>1356242
Both those statements are deliberate lies
>>1354306
You don't need to be violent when you're getting your way non-violently.
>>1356286
But leftism is on life-support today. The monopoly of liberalism shows little sign of ending soon.
>>1356237
>Je suis tombé par terre, c'est la faute à Baader
>Le cul dans le ruisseau c'est la faute à Bonnot
noice
>>1356174
Ah, thanks.
>>1356242
Do you have examples, friend?
>>1354306
>Since the early 80s, essentially all nonstate terrorism has been committed by far-right militants, be them Islamist or white supremacist. Why has the left lost its teeth?
Hahahahahaha. What? Most terror attacks and vandalism in Europe pare perpetrated by far-left Anarchists. Seriously get out of whatever echochamber you inhabit.
>>1356419
Separatists are of course their own thing, but as you can see the left is much more prone to terrorism.
This shouldn't surprise anyone though, the Left has always been much more totalitarian when it comes to respecting other opinions than the Right.
>>1356242
Show us some examples.
BLM is a pathetic movement controlled by idiots who have no idea what they're doing. The Black Panthers in their glory days is what they should be emulating
>>1356446
It's interesting there are still so many left wing terrorist groups are still active.
In the UK it is separatists, right-wing extremists and Islamists that carry out terrorist attacks.
>>1355155
>The left won
I wish, we got fucked hard.
>>1356542
Islamists ARE right-wing extremists
>>1356562
>capitalists managed to sell liberalism as leftism
>>1356611
It makes me cry a little
>>1354306
> Since the early 80s, essentially all nonstate terrorism has been committed by far-right militants, be them Islamist or white supremacist. Why has the left lost its teeth?
Left terrorism became marginal in 19th century (with the end of Anarchists' First International).
Second International (SocDem) is/was non-violent, Third International (Bolsheviks) explicitly discarded terrorism as a tactic, relying on organized overthrow of the government, and 4th (Trotskyism) never got off the ground.
Post-WWII left terrorism is hard to explain. There is a good reason to assume majority of it was false-flag operations (conspiracy theories or not, there was enough crap around Operation Gladio) or criminal syndicates simply using Left as cover.
>>1354998
Greece has the only actually Communist Party in EU, IIRC.
>>1356446
It would be interesting to see deaths caused. I suspect that chart is lumping in all the animal rights extremists as leftists. I'm not remotely condoning their behaviour but a bunch of animal rights protesters letting out some mink or whatever is not quite the same as killing people even though it still gets classed as terrorism.
I suspect Breivik alone counts for more deaths than "leftist" terror attacks in the last 20 years.
>>1356611
>tfw
>>1356691
One question.
Don´t left-wing terrorist groups usually target non-civilian objectives? Like cops and such?
>>1354998
>leftcucks/kike puppets
fuck off, nazi
>>1356717
Wow I'm sure you really hurt his feelings
>>1356446
>the Left has always been much more totalitarian when it comes to respecting other opinions than the Right
>the Left
>totalitarian
Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Proudhon are causing minor earthquakes with how hard they're rolling in their graves
>>1354306
>antifa
>soft totalitarianism
Right wing violence is more akin to American revolutionaries' Boston tea party than the Black shirt march on Rome.
The left has put us into a totalitarian state where one may not reasonably speak out against left wing ideology or tenants.
It even has false vices
>corporations
Criticize, but don't say that humans are greedy bastards by nature
>war
Criticize was, but you aren't allowed to say that humans are violent/evil by nature
>special interest
say that people should be more charitable to others, but never say that humans are self serving and not compelled by empathy by nature.
Religion was the earliest critique of man, let us not forget that whether gods/God exists or not, religious thought has been the identity of civilized man.
The Left despises religion, especially Christianity because Christianity is brutally honest in its critique of Man.
Man is
>dishonest
>selfish
>greedy
>lustful
>hating
>base
>ignorant
>despicable
>evil
All by nature.
This have proven true time and again yet without something that carries the weight of religion, it falls on deaf ears.
The Left seeks to deafen our hearts.
We must not let man be abolished, it is in your hands, friends.
The fate of humanity, it belongs to you now.
Let not the words of Alexander be spoken again, "to the strongest", let it Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates that guide us, "might will submit to right".
Go forth and conquer
>>1356751
>everyone but me is /pol/
>common knowledge needs substance
go away pls.
>>1356760
Well, that is it then, all whites are racist trailer trash.
What, do you want me to provide with proof? Just look at the Bible belt!
>>1356744
>muh antifa are the real fascists
>muh right-wing freedom fighters
>muh human nature
>>1355004
Capitalism is leftist?
>>1356760
>BLM attacks white people "en masse"
>provides no source
>whines when he gets called out
Go fuck yourself.
>>1356743
Note that i said tolerating other opinions. Entire philosophers have been barred from academia because it disagreed with the Left. (see Stirner for example)
We can even take more recent examples, like let's say the UK national elections. A large chunk of leftists were happy that UKIP got shafted by FPTP just because they disagreed with them. So they essentially were happy democracy didn't work because it disagreed with them.
Same thing with the EU. Leftist won the enter EU referendums by a slight margin and went "HAHA just deal with it" but when the leavers won by a slight margin they are clammering for a new referendum, essentially saying "Democracy is bad when it disagrees with me"
This become especially prominent if we look at the "new" right instead of the "old" right, I.E not conservatives but neoliberals.
Neoliberals only care about how much money you make, and not your ideological identity.
>>1356744
>evil
>not relative
If i help an enemy soldier who is going to fall off a cliff and/or starve to death, to that guy i must look like the paragon of goodness, able to put aside the circumstances of war with pure empathy.
And yet, to my command and my country i must look like an evil traitor, or at best, possibly retarded.
>>1356744
The Boston Tea Party was a leftist action, because in the 18th century liberalism was leftist
>>1356771
>antifa are fascists
This is true though
>>1356791
>Note that i said tolerating other opinions. Entire philosophers have been barred from academia because it disagreed with the Left. (see Stirner for example)
Stirner also disagreed with the Right. Stirner disagreed with fucking everyone.
>We can even take more recent examples...
This has less to do with the left and more to do with human nature. Everyone is displeased when they don't have their way, just look at how many "Christian mothers against..." groups are there.
>>1356715
Possibly. I don't know.
>>1356804
Only according to Utilitarianism, which is retarded because we aren't robots.
>>1356802
>No, they just get the most media attention. Anarchist terrorist strikes aren't usually branded as leftist either.
Would you mind giving me a list of leftist or anarchist terrorist attacks in the UK.
It's a bit tin foil to suggest they wouldn't get any media attention btw.
>>1356830
Well, actually, Obama told BLM is retarded, but he never ever ever once implied that it promotes white genocide.
Personally, i disagree with the methods of the BLM movement, but i don't think they're "The black equivalent of the KKK" or some retarded shit.
>>1355004
I wish
>>1356830
Well of course they aren't literal fascists, they're mostly some variation of leftist, sadist or both
But they are fascist in the modern overused sense and they practise one of the most despised aspects of fascism, the use of violence to suppress those they disagree with. Forming their own little blackshirts/freikorps to intimidate, extort, vandalise, assault, etc.
>>1356684
What did KKE do?
Also - Left did win. You are thinking with binary logic and being biased towards the events that happened. I.e. you do not consider how the world would've looked without Left.
>>1356791
>>1356875
Considering how much we're advancing towards the Technological Singularity, thank god the Left won
>B-buh muh culture
Look, if i had to choose between calling Christmas christmas and not dying of polio, i'd take the not dying of polio
>>1356715
> Don´t left-wing terrorist groups usually target non-civilian objectives? Like cops and such?
There are no left-wing terrorist groups, because there is nothing to target: you need to change the system, not elements.
I.e. you need to organize people, create currency, voting protocols, establish laws and so on. That's modern left. Also, you want to have everything in pristine condition when you take over the state, so blowing shit up is very counterproductive.
>>1356791
> leavers
I thought Left supported brexit.
>>1355004
this
>>1356928
Prove it.
>>1356918
Notice how this comic isn't making the guy in charge of SMBC into a white supremacist
Unlike poor Ben "gas the kikes, even the tykes" Garrison
>>1356902
> >B-buh muh culture
You lost me.
>>1356908
Wow you're so retarded I think you might actually be an antifa
>>1356791
>A large chunk of leftists were happy that UKIP got shafted by FPTP just because they disagreed with them. So they essentially were happy democracy didn't work because it disagreed with them.
The Lib Dems and the Social Democrats before them and some parts of Labour have been campaigning for PR for decades on genuine grounds that PR is better, while the right have consistently opposed it.
UKIP supporters suddenly discovered the problems with FPTP after getting fucked over in one election and suddenly want you blame leftists?
What a fucking joke.
>>1356941
Ok, why don't you make your own country then?
Then when all you poorshits will be dying of polio, you'll crawl the fuck back
>>1356929
Obama rules the USA
Hollande rules France
Merkel rules Germany (inb4 hurr Merkel is christian democrat, there's no right wing party in Germany)
The EU is heavily left-leaned
>>1354306
The fire rises, brother
>>1356951
Yeah, but it's a temporary dominion. It's like saying that in the 00's the world was extreme right-wing fascist.
>>1356804
>muh horseshoe theory
>>1356985
>political violence is fine when it's coming from my side
>>1356947
I repeat: what the fuck are talking about? What polio?
>>1356951
Only Holland comes close to being a leftist
>>1357010
>He doesn't know what polio is
You cancerous fuck, you know most of the advancements of modern science, technology and medicine have been made by leftist and atheist scientists?
>>1357014
Not even him. He tried to liberalize the labor market and lower wages, and there have been left wing protests and riots in the streets of Paris ever since.
>>1357021
You are insane. You are literally foaming out of your mouth right now.
Go, read the posts again and come back with apologies, because you had confused something.
>>1356902
>Considering how much we're advancing towards the Technological Singularity
Are you kidding me dude? Is your worldview informed by sci-fi novels and Warhammer 40k?
>>1356804
Here's your (You)
>>1357158
Here's yours
>>1356780
Leftism has become a neoliberal and identity politics circlejerk, and yes, it IS the fucking establishment right now.
>>1357070
>What is Quantum Computing
Sorry for not being literally retarded
But i guess your kind cares more about >muh refugees, muh cucking than anything useful and or interesting
>>1356744
>The Left despises religion, especially Christianity because Christianity is brutally honest in its critique of Man.
The modern SJW left has almost totally adopted the virtues of Christian philosophy though. Their entire movement is one big altruistic circlejerk to prove who can be the most tolerant of whatever sexual orientation/race/religion, even in the face of certain self-destruction. The leftists hatred of Christianity is VERY superficial, in truth, they're some of the most devoted Christians to ever live.
>>1356743
>political systems can't be totalitarian because I like them and believe totalitarianism is a bad thing so my cognitive dissonance won't allow me to function intellectually
>>1356081
too much work for the common american
they would rather sit at their homes and retweet hashtags
>>1356744
There is nothing more empirically proven, and more intellectually resisted, than the depravity of mankind.
>>1357257
>The modern SJW left
You know that SJW on tumblr have nothing to do with the modern left at all?
Shut off your computer, maybe go outside, take a breath of fresh air, and realize that the world isn't like your political cartoons
Then fucking kill yourself
>>1357261
>caring about women and children
SJW detected
>>1356902
>only leftists could have invented computers and vaccines
do you hear yourself talk? You're like a fucking robot.
>>1357278
>There is nothing more empirically proven, and more intellectually resisted, than the depravity of mankind.
Intellectually resisted by whom? The left embraces depravity, especially of the sexual kind. It's the right who imposes this Moral Guardian "muh religiun, muh chillunz" shit
>>1356951
isn't merkels party conservatives though?
>>1357280
>You know that SJW on tumblr have nothing to do with the modern left at all?
LOL
Leftism is not a platonic ideal, you butthurt faggot.
>>1356901
Cartoon arguments are best arguments.
>>1356954
context please
>>1357261
>the women and children who were attacked and harassed
That's a pretty big claim. Got any evidence, chief?
>>1357353
you are willfully blind.
kill yourself.
>>1357021
actully politics doesnt tend to stifle scientific advancment. If you meant pre-1500 you might have a point but even then the results would speak for themselves and regardless of the powers that be, all would assist, paticularly medical sciences.
In your argument of polio, If anything the right welcomes development such as this more than the left, as it is the betterment of there society and thus superiority over an outside nation for its gifted populous. The left tends to be more cautious of such drastic developments as it is inheriently neurotic and fearful of the reprecussions of said actions.
>>1357363
And once again a /pol/tard refuses to back up anything he claims with evidence.
You're a fucking joke kid.
>>1357375
were you even paying attention to the Chicago rally? Anaheim? San Jose?
your kind is filth.
>it's another /pol/ and /leftypol/ episode
>>1357235
Do you actually understand anything about quantum computing, or are you just regurgitating what you've heard from Michael Kaku books? Please, o great disciple of Kurzweil, tell me how your Nerd Raptu- I mean Singularity is nigh.
>>1357348
Leftists in France are protesting the increasing pandering toward business and Islamic interests by the "socialist" party
>>1357401
>>1357401
>Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.
>>1357414
I'd rather just stay off the road
>>1357375
Here you go, libtard
>>1357400
>still no sources
>more childish name-calling
This site is 18+
>>1357372
>The left tends to be more cautious of such drastic developments as it is inheriently neurotic and fearful of the reprecussions of said actions.
Is this ironic shitposting or what /pol/ actually believes?
>>1357418
That's fake you dumb fucking cuck
https://imgur.com/a/Qmhs1
>>1357422
and here's the video evidence you wanted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_PZfUNi9ek
>>1357418
Oh look, a random picture of a blonde woman with blood (or fake blood) on her and a caption blaming it on "liberals." If that's your idea of evidence then you're unbelievably gullible.
>>1357432
kekd
>>1357400
Attacking fascists should be encouraged. It's a shame none of those incidents led to Trump or his cuckolds being killed.
You saw what happened in Sacramento? Those Putin-backed Nazis got exactly what they deserve.
>>1357448
>donald trump is a fascist
>people i disagree with should be killed
liberal logic
>>1354890
This
A million times this.
All left leaning parties in the developed nations have turned into the party of professional and social elites. They're the party of celebrities and lawyers, not workers and farmers.
The left lost its teeth because it sold out to the man, and now they're all flaming hypocrites and right-wingers are not wrong for calling them out on it.
>>1357423
what i meant by this is that in a general characteristic of both sides, the left if far more hesitant than the right when paticular, domestic advancments are met. However when it is a multinational scientific advancement that benifits 'all' then yes, the left is quicker on the mark.
looking at the messages here midway though, it feels like certain people have deluded themselves into thinking only left thinking peoples posess any skill in the arts and sciences. this is an extremelyt narrow minded view. if anything, many great thinkers of today would be disgusted, even hositally so, of our modern social norms.
>>1357434
>out of context clips not showing what actually started the fights
>interviews with Trump supporters claiming they dindu nuffin
>picture montage of Trump supporters showing only happy smiling diverse faces
Well-made propaganda, I'll give you that.
>>1357452
Trump's fanatics are actively trying to turn America into an illiberal dictatorship. Fighting a Trump supporter isn't much less ethical than shooting an SS man or a Confederate during wartime.
>>1357453
>>1354890
>>1357453
The right is also the part of professionals and social elites, and are also hypocrites. The fact of the matter is neolibs have you by the balls and control both parties.
>>1357465
sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting wont make the obvious evidence go away
>>1357417
Then no one is interested in your opinion on anything anyway.
>>1357465
>here's the sources you wanted
>these don't count because I can tell they're all liars
this is what self-delusion looks like
>>1357464
>the left if far more hesitant than the right when paticular, domestic advancments are met.
I think you've been on /pol/ too much and don't actually know a thing about history.
>looking at the messages here midway though, it feels like certain people have deluded themselves into thinking only left thinking peoples posess any skill in the arts and sciences.
There's also people like you who are just about as delusional.
>>1357445
He can't. Leftists don't live in reality, they ignore any factual evidence you provide them that negates their childish worldview, despite the fact that they demand proof from you for any claim you make against them. It's fucking hilarious. Calling liberalism and leftism a mental illness isn't a meme, it's fucking real.
>>1357471
>>1357476
And heavily edited propaganda videos are not actual evidence. I really hope you're trolling and that you're not actually this stupid.
Plus look at this >>1357432
If Trump fanboys are willing to lie this blatantly why would you be so easily swayed by an edited YouTube video? Why do most of the clips start in the middle of the violence and don't show what happened to spark it? Get fucking lucid for Christ's sake!
>>1357466
>Trump is le NAZI
What's sad is you actually believe this. Because putting America first, and wanting the working class to prosper again and actually have a fucking middle class again is DEFINITELY racist! Noticing trends in Islam of violence and rape and not wanting that in your country is definitely fascist, pretty much exactly like Hitler.
>>1357498
>heavily edited propaganda videos
>clearly shows donald trump supporters being viciously attacked
Kek, you cucks are too funny. Here's some more evidence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBVxRYHFJc
this is a police officer who caught one of the bottles thrown by the rioters
>>1357499
Trymp is basically an american Putin so the accusation of illiberalism isn't inaccurate.
>>1357470
>The right is also the part of professionals and social elites
Nah, they're the party of businessmen and the economic elite.
Still hypocrites, as you said, though left-wingers are far from innocent.
> The fact of the matter is neolibs have you by the balls and control both parties.
That I won't contest. And to think that left-wingers across America are about to vote for Hillary Clinton because she's "a progressive who gets things done" (i.e. a giant pile of bullshit aimed at soccer moms, welfare queens, and gay celebrities)
>>1357489
Mexicans aren't leftist though. Many of them have extremely conservative values and are Catholics. They don't even support social programs. They only vote to whoever gives them immigration reform which is why the W did decently with them, and against people that don't like them.
>>1357506
Is he? How so?
>>1357504
>still don't have an unbiased coverage of the beginning
Trump supporters dindu nuffin senpai
>>1357506
>Trymp is basically an american Putin
no, he's the American Berlusconi or maybe just maybe the American Mussolini.
he is not ex-KGB judo master.
>>1357508
Mexicans vote overwhelmingly Democratic and absolutely do leech off of government programs.
>>1357480
well instead of trying to damage my character why wont you refute my point properly?
>>1357466
thats the sort of equvilance the worst people on your dreaded list would make of you and your ilk, remember that. Your just a shit person, no matter where you are politically.
>>1357465
>everything that goes against my societal narrative is propaganda. Everything that is agreeable is irrefutable fact.
thats what your basiclly saying, you Trogladite.
>>1357510
>anti-ideological semi-nationalist strongman politician
>>1357507
>Nah, they're the party of businessmen and the economic elite.
You are creating an imaginary distinction.
>>1357504
That's one incident. There were many others that only showed a brief part of the fight.
>start shit with protesters
>get your ass kicked
>someone with a heavy bias cuts out the part where you antagonized your enemies
This isn't rocket science, dipshit. Hell, I bet I could convince you of anything with only a few hours in Windows Movie Maker.
>>1357512
innocent until proven guilty
the burden of proof is now upon you
>>1357516
>well instead of trying to damage my character why wont you refute my point properly?
Burden of proof faggot
>>1357353
lol, just google it and you'll find dozens of examples, friendo.
of course you won't because you don't like facts that go against your narrative ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMZSn8iLr4
>>1357519
Where is the evidence that they were starting shit with the protestors? And was getting hit in the back of the head with a bag of ROCKS really necessary, if he did start the fight?
>>1357525
>egged
Wow such violence
a 15 year old girl pepper-sprayed and allegedly groped by rioters
>>1357512
The funniest thing about this is the sizable overlap between Trump supporters and those who believe everything is the fault of the Jews. They regularly deny the existence of the most well-documented genocide in history but won't view an edited YouTube video with even a dose of skepticism.
>>1357540
That's still assault, dumbass
>>1357517
>anti-ideological
Trump has an IQ of at least 150, so not seeing that lad.
>semi-nationalist
What's wrong with nationalism? Is that another /his/ meme where we pretend it's racism and real communism hasn't been tried?
>>1357516
>everything that goes against my societal narrative is propaganda.
And what exactly is my "narrative," buddy? This ought to be good for a laugh.
>>1357544
But it certainly doesn't play into your alt-right persecution complex ;)
>>1357518
>You are creating an imaginary distinction.
maybe. Doctors and Engineers tend to lean right, so I'm not saying you're wrong. However, the left is holding the "moral majority" which is a distinctly different demographic, so while the differences are slight, they're not nonzero
>>1357543
That's a really really poor false equivalence and not an argument. Not that I expected much from /his/, but still. You could try a little harder.
>>1357551
What are you talking about? The woman was assaulted for being a trump supporter by liberals, for simply supporting trump.
>>1357515
>Mexicans vote overwhelmingly Democratic
They're not liberals though. They vote mostly on pro-immigration policy. They're going to vote against people who want to deport them and the party that seems to publicly hate them.
>>1357533
>liberals unironically believe having a bag of rocks just lying around and then attempting to concuss someone with them must be explained by a violent Trump supporter
>>1357546
>Trump has an IQ of at least 150, so not seeing that lad.
Cool story lad
>what's wrong with nationalism
I didn't say there was a problem? It's just a similarity between the two
>muh /his/ is /leftypol/
Sure is summer lads
>>1357552
>moral majority
no such thing, the majority of human beings are immoral.
>>1357558
And the assault was minor compared to the connotations of the word
>>1357552
> "moral majority"
Right-wing evangelicals and people who say degeneracy at everything would disagree.
>so while the differences are slight, they're not nonzero
I didn't say there weren't differences. I said the differences you claimed were imaginary. It's been shown repeatedly that most voters either vote emotionally, or are single issue voters.
>>1357553
That's not what a false equivalence is. You probably shouldn't reference logical fallacies that you don't actually understand.
Btw screaming "NOT AN ARGUMENT!" only works if your opponent is making an argument. I made an amused observation.
>>1357540
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUkT4Z-_xCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7OV10q0fa0
like I said, just google it, honey, there's dozens of examples :)
>>1357581
>in the video the trump supporter started the confrontation
At least watch your shitty propaganda ffs
>>1357520
>the burden of proof is now upon you
That's not how burden of proof works, silly. You're still making a claim with inadequate evidence.
>>1357572
>no such thing, the majority of human beings are immoral.
that doesn't stop them from passing judgement on other humans.
>>1357578
>Right-wing evangelicals and people who say degeneracy at everything would disagree.
And they are a declining minority who are barely relevent in 2016. Even Donald Trump only pays lip service to them.
>>1357585
>EVERYTHING THAT PROVES IM WRONG IS PROPAGANDA XD
When will you just admit you're wrong?
>>1357520
Well then everyone is innocent.
>>1357591
>ignores my point to focus on my wording
Couldn't have expected much better
>>1357585
lol, no arguments so he just lies... just kill yourself
>>1357591
>didn't even watch the video he posted
>YOU'RE WRONG CUZ I SAID SO!!
wtf
>>1357586
>if I accuse someone of starting a fight after I see a video of them getting hit in the back of the head with a bag of rocks, the burden of proof is upon them to establish the fact that they didn't start the fight
idiot
maybe graduate high-school before trying to post again.
>>1357524
your a very any little man arnt you? If you insist however, ill give you 3 free examples:
1. Machavelli was a homosexual who valued Liberalism in art and social issues for the underclass. However he was also a firm advocate of eugenics and the genetic inferiority of the sub saharans, which he found fasinating.
2.Charles darwin, the father of evcolution, was actully very religious and remained so until his death. Though this does not affect his contribution to the science, imagine him trying to put theroies today? he would be ostrasized for the mere reasoning he was devout, surely?
3.Alexander Bell (telephone inventor) was a staunch nationalist and advocated warfare as a right of passage for all young men. Not very open minded by your standerd.
There are more, of course. My point is made though. Your standard of 'leftist= Interlectual' is flawed and quiete frankly dangerous because it premotes future generations to disregard complex, uncomfortable ideas for a 2D reality with good guys and bad guys when it is never, ever so plain a reality as that.
>>1354890
This.
>>1357612
Mexicans aren't leftists.
To put this in terms maybe your /pol/ brain can understand, Muslim immigrants in Europe aren't leftists and they hate gays and everything liberals seem to love. They only vote with them because of immigration policy. The other parties are anti-immigrant and voting with them would be against their own interests.
Yes, liberals cater to Muslisms and Mexicans. Yes, Muslims and Mexicans vote for leftist parties. No, Muslims and Mexicans are not leftists. They're single issue voters.
>>1357499
But he doesn't put America first. He wants to spend our tax dollars on wall-building and economic pissing contests, all the while diverting more and more money and power to the business elite and allowing our natural surroundings to be destroyed by industry.
Trump's illiberal relationship toward the press is also pretty scary. He's not Hitler or when Mussolini, but he's a strongman like Putin or Erdogan who only cares about maximizing his own power through nationalist chest-pounding that doesn't improve our standard of living.
As for Islam, Trump isn't even critiquing the fascist elements of that religion. He's just saying "No more Muslims!" because he knows that's what the voters want, while actually exacerbating problems of rape and violence and intolerance not unlike what we see in Muslim countries.
>>1357624
Oh, so you're changing the goal posts now? At first, you were saying the Trump supporters were instigating the issue, and now you're saying that Mexicans aren't leftists? The fact of the matter is, the Mexicans/leftists were the ones to assault the trump supporters in the first place.
>>1357624
you're right, only perfectly moral, virtuous citizens are leftists
all the bad ones are just right-wingers who happen to vote for leftist parties
>>1357561
Actually, immigration isn't that important to Mexican voters. They're already here, and their close relatives can come over without any difficulty.
The main issues for Mexican Americans are the economy, education, and social services (welfare, healthcare).
t. Worked for a Hispanic research firm
>>1357619
>the left if far more hesitant than the right when paticular, domestic advancments are met.
None of what you said supported your assertion. You're also projecting like fuck.
You only being able to think about things in black and white as distinctly either left-wing or right-wing is a victory of the political elite, since they control both the nominally right-wing and left-wing majority parties. Shoehorning things into those categories only serves their interests. As long as you can only think in the terms left-wing and right-wing, they control you.
>>1356804
So much this.
Why do liberals always project so much? Shit is weird.
>>1357631
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
>>1357626
exactly, what really improves our standard of living is bringing in millions of syrians to rape women while also invading their country in a costly war to install a democracy that will be gone as soon as we leave
>>1357624
>Mexicans aren't leftists.
that's racist, and also fucking retarded.
There exist Mexicans who are also leftists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez
idiot
>>1357647
Why do you even post here
>>1357550
well I woundnt want to be an assumptious bastard but your highly opinionated outlook on life idicates you lack any ability to show empathy or true understanding of there ideals and instead relish in there suffering, small or not. What you should be seeing is they are being persecuted for the outlook, much like how leftists becry there millenial-long struggle against suppresion. You feel threatened that your reality might change in ways that dont agree with you on small levels thus you wish to stub out any counter points, even if they were valid and might be helpful.
In short, your narrative is singular and inflexible, you thug.
>>1357647
How is that racist?
He's right in the regard that Mexicans generally aren't leftists. Blacks generally aren't leftists either. Muslims are especially non-leftist. They're fairly conservative people when it comes to social issues. The fact that you can find individuals in all those groups who are leftists doesn't mean that you can't attribute something to the group as a whole based on averages.
The only reason they're not voting for conservatives is because they know that conservatives actually don't like them - and they're right.
>protestors do mean things at our rallies therefore we're correct
What do they mean by this
>>1357649
>nigerians aren't monarchists
>chinese aren't fascists
>arabs aren't democratic
>>1357638
That's not true and you're claiming importance is based on ordinals. They're still going to vote against the party that tries to enact targeted legislation that deprives them of those other things.
>>1357550
>you lack any ability to show empathy
>relish in there suffering
>you thug
Well aren't a loopy melodramatic little faggot?
Log off the computer if people not believing you gives you the vapors.
>>1357647
>There exist Mexicans who are also leftists.
Yes, but as a demographic.
>that's racist
Okay.
>>1357659
>generally
that is an important word
>conservatives actually don't like them
I'd like to see that proven.
>>1357659
huh... funny how they also vote for leftist parties in their own countries
really makes you think
>>1357640
this is exactly what id say to you, except your assertion that only left-minded people offer advancments in humanity is wrong and what controls you. I wasnt suggesting it was clear cut but the idea the past would be convieniet enough for your world views is disgusting and a afftront to history.
>>1357668
Mexico has been ruled by centrists and rightists since the Revolution
So why do modern leftists have such a hard on fort the homophobic, ethnocentric, theocratic, fascists and racist Muslim culture?
Isn't that pretty much all the things they claim to hate?
>>1357666
>conservatives actually don't like them
I am conservative and I don't like them and I want them thrown out of my country.
lmao at the pathetic leftist hand-wringing in this thread
>they weren't harassed or attacked, you stupid bigot!!
>they were only egged, it's no big deal!!
>they were beaten, but they started it!!
>they didn't start it, but mexicans aren't leftists!!
>>1357670
>except your assertion that only left-minded people offer advancments in humanity is wrong and what controls you
I didn't say that, that's you projecting. The thing that you said that I objected to was
>the left if far more hesitant than the right when paticular, domestic advancments are met.
>>1357677
except a lot of those were true
the guy posting the videos just jumped to a new video if someone proved him wrong
>>1357674
therefore all conservatives agree with you?
I am also conservative on several issues. I have met Mexicans I liked and disliked. Anybody who's in my country illegally should be shown out rudely, but legal immigration is fine. I have no beef with Mexicans as Mexicans insofar as they don't have beef with Americans as Americans.
>>1357673
Muslims are considered a marginalised, under-privileged group within western societies. The left believes that pointing out how shitty their views are is only going to further alienate them (especially those who actually do make an effort to fit in, while the extremists really don't care due to having given up on society) and prevent them from becoming part of mainstream society due to worsening their standing.
The point is: what is it supposed to accomplish to criticise their religion, point out how they hate gays, don't consider women equals, etc.?
>>1357663
prehaps i do type a tad flowery but your refute is amusing at best with no real substance. so work on that, you wastral.
(FWI i use uncommon slurs to spread learning new words, if you prefer i call you a faggot though, you need only ask.)
>>1357672
> Its membership in the Socialist International dates from the Mexican Revolution (1910).
>Along with its rival, the left-wing PRD (Party of the Democratic Revolution), they make Mexico one of the few nations with two major, competing parties part of the same international grouping. The PRI is the largest political party in Mexico according to membership.
lmao, both major parties are in the Socialist International
>>1357684
>there was only one guy posting evidence of leftist violence
>>1357690
>being part of a toothless international makes you socialist
>the PRD is bigger than the PAN
at least try
Because they won.
>>1357685
>Anybody who's in my country illegally should be shown out rudely, but legal immigration is fine.
And most people from shitty countries have absolutely no way to immigrate legally since they're poor, poorly educated, etc., so saying that you're not opposed to legal immigration pretty much means: no immigration for people from shitty countries.
And that's they message they understand, which is why they're not voting conservative.
>>1357684
except that's another lie
someone said they weren't harassed and I posted a video of a woman getting egged
then he descended to "only egged? lol!!" and I posted videos of beatings and attacks
>>1357687
>The point is: what is it supposed to accomplish to criticise their religion, point out how they hate gays, don't consider women equals, etc.?
It points out they don't want to integrate? And that the reason why they keep raping/murdering/blowing up shit is because of their hateful ideology?
>>1357499
>putting America first, and wanting the working class to prosper again
You must be out of your mind if you believe Trump stands for any of these. All his past conduct shows that Trump's only goal is self-aggrandizement, both wealth and fame. He doesn't give a single fuck about the working class, otherwise he wouldn't hurt so many working class people with his numerous predatory business schemes (like Trump University which specifically targeted low-income people).
>>1357677
The only cure for leftism is a bullet to the head desu.
>>1357692
>the mexican centrist party is slightly larger than the mexican leftist party, that means no mexican can be called leftist
hmmmmm
>>1357698
>l-look at all the mean leftists yelling stuff at innocent trump supporters :(
>kill them all lol
>>1357673
>So why do modern leftists have such a hard on
They don't. They have a hardon for tolerance. Democracy is anti-intellectual and the voter base doesn't think about things like the paradox of tolerance.
Please define "Left":
we talking complete upheaval of all potentially oppressive system structures,
rights of individualities, their adherents and their continued existences
or pick-and-choose cultural prerogatives that provide goods and benefits not immediately recognized by "traditional" views, means and understanding?
>>1357701
>The PAN and the PRI are the same party
???????
>>1357702
Would you let a rabid dog keep biting people, or would you put it down as mercifully as possible?
>>1357706
>They have a hardon for tolerance.
But they obviously don't and hate Christians for example.
I just read that ChristianMingle.com is forced to pander to gays now, lol.
You won't see any leftists forcing Muslims to bake a cake for a gay weddding, it might offend their culture!
>>1357709
where was that stated
do you even know how to read
>>1357720
you implied the PAN was the centrist party when it isn't
its a liberal/right-wing party and the only non PRI party to win the presidency
>>1357696
>It points out they don't want to integrate?
The question is: what is going to be the imperative? What do you expect to happen? People to get mad at them and attack them?
>And that the reason why they keep raping/murdering/blowing up shit is because of their hateful ideology?
I don't really think that's the case. It's part of it, but it's not all of it. I'm fairly certain - at least for Europe - that most of them only get deeply into the ideology due to them being unsuccessful in life. They're usually poor, don't have proper education, and simply lack the skills to contribute. Due to that, there's a feeling of inadequacy and inferiority in them which is compensated by the rejection of the society of which they can't be part of (which they believe rejected them due to 'racism' - a belief further reinforced by people criticising their religion all the time) and adoption of Islamic extremism ("I'm better than those kuffars because I'm a godly man, etc."). Certainly, Islam as an ideology has plenty of faults and is particularly good at providing a violent, supremacist power fantasy for rejects, but I don't think Islam is the cause. It's a catalyst if anything, but if it weren't for Islam it would be some sort of nationalism, political ideology, etc.
>>1356174
He crashed his campaign when he said that whites didn't know what it was like to be poor.
Shows what pandering gets you
>>1357725
>The question is: what is going to be the imperative?
>>1357713
>But they obviously don't and hate Christians for example.
That's not true. Christians tend to be split, except for the White evangelicals. What it is is that militant atheists tend to vote D because they're not going to vote for the party that panders to evangelicals.
As long as you think in black and white caricatures of political mindsets and think in a rigid 2-party system, the neolibs win.
