Is solitary confinement cruel?
>>1343566
only for normies
Eh,every now and then I don't think I would even mind it
>Free food
>Don't have to work
>Bodyweight exercises all day
>>1343566
Yes, but all aspects of incarceration are necessarily cruel. The people are locked away from the people they love, even if the people they love are sick or dying.
>cruel and unusual punishment
>unconstitutional
It isn't unusual because it's routine.
>>1343566
If I'm to believe what TV and the internet tell me about prisons, I prefer to be alone and never leave the cell t.b.h
>>1343585
/thread
Solitary confinement is basically like withdrawal syndrome when you stop taking drugs. Normies are addicted to unchecked emotional ride that leads them to all sorts of pleasures and pain. Once this system is stopped abruptly for the normies, they are scared and don't know what to do like the druggies.
Buddhist monks are living the simple life by mastering themselves rather than being a slave to the ride of external desires.
Psych nurse reporting in. I utilise our 'seclusion room' daily. Ask me anything.
>>1343875
How many people are kept in solitary confinement 23 hours a day in your facility?
Accordingly to Stefan Zweig, it can give you superpower (at chess).
>isolating a social animal
Even the spergiest loner will go insane without company at some point
Humans are highly social creatures. Containing people in boxes with no communicative outlets is of course going to have adverse affects on the mental condition of those imprisoned.
>>1343659
>>1343585
Even monks would suffer from withdrawal of human contact at least initially. They simply power through it through sheer force of will.
Same kind of mental endurance that lets them immolate themselves without screaming in agony.
>>1343964
Monks and yogis in Tibet go on solitary retreats for years at a time, decades on extreme cases.
>>1343881
Longest somebody has had to be in there for was around 20 hours.
I was in county jail for 8 months awaiting a trial before my charges were dropped after the witness admitted they lied about me in an attempt to extort my family.
Because where I used to live was relatively small, I was put in solitary confinement for my own safety after I was arrested. It was absolutely fucking terrible. And this was to protect me. I can't imagine what it is like when you are acting like a dick and they isolate me. I am most definitely not the same person I was when I went than when I got out.
>>1344037
>I was in county jail for 8 months awaiting a trial before my charges were dropped after the witness admitted they lied about me in an attempt to extort my family.
Did you get compensation or anything?
>>1344102
No, just an apology from the prosecutors office and advice to leave town.
I went in for 3 days.
Worst yet best thing that ever happened to me. You get to find your center.
>>1343566
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/wed-rather-give-ourselves-electric-shocks-than-be-alone-with-our-thoughts-says-new-study-9583585.html
If 15 minutes is too much for most people, then I'd say 24 hours is probably overkill
>>1344106
>and advice to leave town
It's so cooool, it's like the Far West !
>>1344125
Could you elaborate?
>>1344129
Its not cool. At all. But I can see where you are coming from.
>>1344147
Yeah, this town is too small for both of us, stranger.
>>1344037
You couldn't get bailed out?
>>1344126
WHAT??? HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE???
I´ve, since early childhood, done nothing else but talking to myself. I motivate me, I tell me stories, I console me, I debate me, etc. And honestly, I asummed until now that normies did more or less the same.
And now what? They can´t stay alone with their OWN FUCKING THOUGHTS for more than measly 15 minutes?! That´s ridiculous, I refuse to believe that. I mean, it´s your own thoughts, goddammit, your inner voice. How´s that not something familiar?
Can someone explain that to me, because I can´t really grasp this idea. How is that even possible?
>>1344171
Judge said no bond.
>>1344175
>no bond
>solitary for your own protection
What the fuck were you accused of, raping a minor?
No one is kept in solitary in prison unless it's temporary, as a disciplinary measure, or they are dangerous to other inmates or need to be protected from other inmates.
>>1344191
What? No! Why would I shock myself? Am I a masochist?
No thanks, I´d be quite happy talking to Me, Mini-Me and Myself.
>>1344196
Which is a lot of people in prison.
>>1344182
Kidnapping, armed robbery and armed battery and rape all on a minor. I am also a convicted felon, so they added that for the reasons I shouldnt be bonded out.
It wasn't until 6 months after i was arrested ithat her attorney contacted mine and said this could go away for some money. My family recently had acquired a lot of money so they were trying to extort us.
She's in jail now.
>>1344126
Really?
I spend like 20 minutes alone every day just shitting
Probably 2 times a day too
I enjoy my quiet time on the john
Fucking plebs, last week i just went out once and went to sleep before my parents came home, loneliness is the best.
>>1344282
When its voluntary and you can browse the internet you neet. Not when you don't have a godamn TV or book to read.
>>1343566
I think the question is, "Is it cruel enough?".
>>1344264
pooping is entertaining though, its not the same as doing nothing
>>1344299
That's true
But nothing is stopping you from pooping as much as you want in solitary confinement for 24 hours
>>1344302
Yea, its called prison food.
>>1344235
That's fucked up.
>there are bleeding heart morons who consider it cruel to lock a murderer into a small room
>>1343964
>They simply power through it through sheer force of will.
You understand this is a lot easier to do when you are doing it willingly?
While it is possible for inmates to come to this enlightenment the, for lack of a better word, ratio for 'enlightenment' between monks and prisoners would be so low because monks are actually searching for it. Prisoners are not. Monks see their confinement as becoming more free, prisoners it's the exact opposite.
How can you even compare the two?
>>1344191
I'd probably shock myself right away out of sheer curiosity.
>>1344235
You should actually rape her.
Her credibility is shot, and you already did time for it.
>>1345492
oh anon, if only there was that kind of justice in the world.
>>1343566
If you have something to occupy yourself with it's not that bad. I'd deal with it pretty well if they allowed me to bring in books to read or if they gave me a pen and notebook to write something.
>>1345499
If you use a gun and one of those condoms that actually feels good when you get a blow job through it, there should be no physical evidence.
>>1345509
lel just to clarify, I'm not that guy - I was just agreeing.
>because of your false accusation, you have now opened yourself to one conviction-free rape event to be performed by the defendant as he sees fit
could you imagine how quickly the rate of false rape accusations would fall if we instituted something like this?
>>1343566
Isolating any social animal is cruel, and human beings are indeed, social animals.
>>1345502
But they often times don't. Books, pen, paper, that goes to good model prisoners. Not men in solitary.
>>1345509
>one of those condoms that actually feels good when you get a blow job
Said no one who has actual gotten a blowjob ever.
>>1345534
And when that social animal attacks all the animals he socializes with, or is at risk of attack from the animals he's supposed to socialize with, what are we to do?
Honestly the thought of life without parole in solitary is more terrifying than a death sentence.
>>1343989
The difference is this is usually a voluntary action done because the monk believes it will better them - often after a fair amount of mental preparation - not an involuntary punishment.
>>1343566
Yes
>>1345663
eh, I was suggesting that simply the threat of something like that would deter most bitches from fucking up someone else's life by making them think twice of falsely accusing them. I doubt guys who would never rape in the first place would turn into rape machines if given the chance, even if that's what feminism teaches us.
>>1345693
I feel for the girl. He family manipulated her and was vicious with her when it went wrong. Her attorney didn't help either, and if I were to hypothetically give you his information you will see his Bar record and its fucking terrible, last time I checked he was indefinitely suspended.
But for what she did to me she got hefty probation and county time for; she violated probation and is spending the next 3 more years in state penitentiary. As someone who spent 8 months in there that makes me incredibly sad. But likewise, the judge told me no bond + you can go away for life for this.
>>1345529
>could you imagine how quickly the rate of false rape accusations would fall if we instituted something like this?
About as quickly as the genuine rape accusations I'd imagine.
It's not like false accusations don't already have consequences if they're proven. People don't make false accusations expecting to be caught, but to punish an accusation with literal rape would be enough to deter genuine accusations for fear of literally legally signing yourself over to the same asshole a second time.
>>1345711
>last time I checked he was indefinitely suspended
Well no shit.
Knowingly participating in a scheme to commit extortion is grounds for disbarment in every state.
>>1345724
>It's not like false accusations don't already have consequences if they're proven.
oh really?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/391278/how-false-domestic-violence-charge-ruined-nba-career-j-delgado
>If you’re wondering whether authorities will charge this woman with perjury, think again. Forged documents, false allegations, and defamatory lies in police reports or restraining-order petitions are met with a shrug. The county attorney refused to charge Cunningham’s accuser with making a false police report, telling the AP he was reluctant to bring those charges for fear of “a chilling effect” such an action might have on future victims of domestic violence.
it's precisely the excuse of a 'chilling effect' you bring up that let's current day false accusers walk away scot-free. you're basically saying that penalizing one innocent party and destroying their life is perfectly okay so long as it isn't the woman.
>>1344196
Or unless you end up at ASX Florence, in the company of Unabomber, Robert Hanssen, OKC bomber accomplice, to name sone of the more notable innates.
>>1345755
Don't listen to that guy. There's a lot of people right now spending 23 hours a day in a box. Maybe not for life, but for way longer than what should be considered temporary.
>>1345746
>you're basically saying that penalizing one innocent party and destroying their life is perfectly okay so long as it isn't the woman.
You're basically saying "hurrdurr I'm retarded and putting words in other people's mouth."
Tell me how saying that perjury is already illegal is in any way saying that perjury is ok or that it should be selectively enforced. Ok, so let's say perjury laws aren't enforced - in that case why does introducing a retarded law where accusers can get fucking raped if they're found to have falsely accused someone change anything? Do you think anybody covering up perjury is suddenly gonna go "well in that case let's get this bitch actually raped"? It won't fix the lack of enforcement and it's a stupid fucking idea in the first place.
>>1345671
>And when that social animal attacks all the animals he socializes with, or is at risk of attack from the animals he's supposed to socialize with, what are we to do?
Kill them.
Why waste resources on sociopaths that will exist solely to prey on others in society? That's just dumb.
>>1346081
>Tell me how saying that perjury is already illegal is in any way saying that perjury is ok or that it should be selectively enforced.
You're basically saying "hurrdurr I'm retarded and putting words in other people's mouth."
the fact that you are completely unaware that perjury means absolutely fuck all in false rape/DV accusations suggests that you can't perceive that there is a problem with the current setup. suggesting that there isn't a problem with a broken system where the male innocent party gets royally fucked regardless of the outcome, while at the same time poo-pooing that some far fetched hypothetical law may possibly prevent genuine rape victims from stepping forward (even though it wouldn't prevent genuine victims who have actual evidence from stepping forward) is tantamount to saying
>laws that fuck innocent men routinely? not really a problem because herp derp perjury the system works :^)
>even suggesting that there should be some consequence for false accusations? holy shit what a travesty, think of the innocent women!
>Do you think anybody covering up perjury is suddenly gonna go "well in that case let's get this bitch actually raped"? It won't fix the lack of enforcement
no shit sherlock, the point with suggesting such a law was that it would conceivably prevent cunts from getting it in their heads in the first place that proceeding with a false rape accusation would be an easy, consequence-free action with zero risk and potential reward. it was a suggestion made in jest - in reality, enforcing ANY fucking criminal consequence to a verifiable false accusation would be a step in the right direction, and the 'chilling effect' is just a weak excuse to perpetuate a broken system where one side gets full legal protection while the other side gets none.
>>1343875
Aren't people in seclusion often sedated though, and can only be kept there a few hours before you have to review it and see if they can come out? And even then, there is access to nurses if they want.
>>1343605
..... i almost never say or think this on very very strong principle but i hope you get locked up you fucking squab. being locked in a concrete room only to see the sun for one hour a day in a 10x10 foot cage is not any where close to what youre talking about
>>1346436
People seem to forget that if you're talking to people on 4chan, or any forum, you're socialising. You don't need to see them face to face. Also, the incredible value that choice has. They can go out and do stuff if they choose to.
But they think they're on the same level as people that are in solitary and can't talk to anyone or do anything, apparently.
>>1346441
>People seem to forget that if you're talking to people on 4chan, or any forum, you're socialising.
It has to be humans though. and everyone here is AI.
>>1346471
GOOD ENOUGH
>>1343989
seclusion in the middle of butt fuck nowhere under the vast expanse of the sky is nothing like being locked in a cell.
>>1346111
>killing and violence is bad
>so were gunna kill them.
>>1345468
>murderer
assumptions
Yes, and this is why we need state-issued gf:s.
>>1346759
You don't kill murderers because killing is "bad", you kill them because they are a proven threat to society, and killing them eliminates that threat, and the burden it takes to keep them alive and in custody.
>>1347500
If state issued girlfriends is "orwelian" please tell me where I have to sign to live in Oceania.
>>1344196
remove trip you fucking faggot
>>1344298
edge.jpeg
>>1344037
>I was put in solitary confinement for my own safety
LOL you were put in protective custody because you must be some harry potter lookalike and everybody could see you were too much of a bitchass punk for even COUNTY JAIL
>>1345826
If they are, it's for something violent done in prison, not for being caught making pruno or something.
>>1347936
Not that guy but You've never spent a fucking night in jail fuck off. That shits probably fake and gay anyway.
>>1345755
All those inmates need protection. Many other inmates want to kill them out of disgust, others simply for the notoriety (especially lifers who have nothing left to lose).
>>1347942
Actually most of them are snitches or have autism and would be literally forced into prison prostitution. Also child molestors.
>>1347942
So if your cellmate takes your shit, your just going to let it slide and tell a guar instead of defending yourself and getting your shit back?
>>1347944
Nigga I done did mofuckin federal bids up and down the country, never had to PC up because I aint a bitch lmao
>>1347958
Lmao no you haven't
+
Federal is easy time.
>>1343964
>>1343989
You are talking about the extreme outliers of these "monks". 99.99% of the Buddhist population, laymen or clergy, wouldn't be able to handle that sort of solitary confinement. Using these as an example is like using Evel Knievel as an example of your average motorbike rider.
Jesus.
Fucking.
Christ.
>>1347975
t. bitch nigga who sucked methhead dick in county jail and got his mom to send him 500$ a week protection money
>>1347986
t. bored suburbanite
>>1344282
Now do that in a small beige room without any source of entertainment. No computer, no Internet, no books, no nothing but a mattress to lie down on.
>>1347630
it's nor orwelian at all since it already happened in cambodia where the khmers rouge had their spouses picked by their superiors
>>1347994
t. guy who did 8 months protective custody in county jail and thinks he is some kind of badass
Usually in just lurk and look up. But I've spent some time in solitary in Florida State prison. I've also done time in Dade , Glades and the Panhandle. Any south Florida fags here? I've been to TGK and spent 18 months of my life there awaiting a trial. I've been around.
Its terrible, terrifying and terrific at getting SOME people to calm the fuck down. It is also a good way to mentally damage a man to the point of no return. If you have a criminal and prison who has any chance of coming out reformed, it is 9/10 ruined when you throw them in solitary. Solitary made me much more violent than I was. Every time they let me out I went back in. The first time I was in I beat my cellmate into a coma for calling me a faggot because I told him how me and a friend tag teamed a girl when I was 16. A man calls you a faggit on the street on the interwebz, you go on with your day. A man calls you a faggot in prison and you don't do anything about it you are in huge trouble.
After that all it would take was eye contact to set me off and reach violently. When your stuck in with a novel, TV or even a fucking view of the outside world you begin the hate everything and wish it harm and with 23 hours a day you figure out quickly how to cause harm to others, and yourself. I have 0 family members who have ever had schizophrenia, but I was hearing voices for a long time in solitary. And when everyone on the block decides its time to go apeshit, that's not one place you want to be.
I tried to kill myself 5 times. Each ime I was punished with more solitary. Each time I tried to kill myself again. When I was finally put in a mental health ward and subsequently downgraded at the recommendation of the psychologist and psychiatrist and pastor, my h mental health improved. All you loners think your lonely, but youre talking to an entire world right now. You do not know what isolation is. I do, and none of you want a single part of it.
>>1343585
being forced to do something goes against human nature.
even if it's something we like or even love, when forced we'll struggle against it (e.g.: rape which is something every single human being loves - sex, but forced)
also, seclusion =/= reclusion
>>1347958
Did you think talking like a nigger makes your story more credible?
>>1345671
all animals are prone to chaotic behavior since our world is based on chaos
so expect this to be the norm with every being with a brain
>>1348034
You watch way to many fucking movies.
>>1348024
>using racist words on the internet like a 12 year old
>>1348041
No, I know people who have been to prison. Prison today is not like it used to be, it's extremely organized by gangs on the inside who command fealty from their prospective races on pain-of-death, and they have laws they mandate, and stealing is right on par with snitching in those laws.
Blacks it is a little more complicated due to crips vs. bloods, but even they at the worst, you call whichever one you belong to sort the matter out.
If you are white and go to prison in america, do you have to join a gang and get swastika tattoos on your face?
>>1348047
>pointing out the use of racist words on the internet like a 12 year old
You're the cancer in society.
>>1348009
>I'm a violent self destructive psycho
>It's all because I was put in solitary
Lol, no. Apparently dogs are smarter than you are. If you smack a dog for stealing food then it won't do it again.
>>1348121
If you ever went to jail you'd have cancer in your asshole from the amount of "nigger" dicks that would be ramming it 24/7
>>1348145
If you smack a dog for stealing it will. If you lock it up in a cage for months at a time it will break or bite you the first chance it gets.
>>1348180
>I've been in and out of a bunch of prisons
>Everyone else is the problem, not me!
Too bad you didn't get hit with a few years for felony assault after beating your cellie.
>>1348185
Show me where I said I was a good boy who dindu nuffin before solitary.
>>1348185
I did get more time added for beating my cellmate what are you talking about?
I never said I was a good person. I never claimed that solitary made me violent, I said it made me MORE violent. For a website that constantly bashes how niggers like me can't read you queers really don't know how the fuck to read.
>>1343566
Giev me unrestricted internet access and basic conditons and ill go to prison right now.
As long as I dont have to interact with any other prisoners and have eough room in my cell for exercise and some sunshinea few hours a day.
>>1348229
>unrestircted internet access
Prison is about punishment, its not a free hotel for the lazy
>>1348229
No you get no internet, 1 hour a day in the sun by yourself in another cage, 3 showers a week, no letters and after maybe a month or so of good behavior they MIGHT give you a bible if they don't think you'll flood the cell with it..
>>1346759
>uh oh we'll be hypocrites !!!!
Nice sophistry
>>1344173
Sure, Ill explain. You finally managed to find something you can do better than the average person and culdnt hold yorself from immidately posting and braging about it to a bunch of anonymous trolls on 4chan.
>>1348030
Stop posting this picture in every thread memester.
>>1348068
>You watch way to much fucking movies.
Unless you were in protective custody or a psych ward, the races ate as separate tables and protected each other and regulated themselves.
Yes, if someone calls you a faggot or a bitch or a punk or a pussy, you are expected and required to attack them (and if they're of another race, your whole race will back you up), I'm not sure how that invalidates anything else I said, especially since someone calling you that is very rare because if you actually bother to fight them, even if you lose, they will be beat up by their own race afterward for disrespecting one of their own and making their card look weak and divided in front of other cards.
>>1348065
If you don't want to be killed or raped by the black or hispanic gangs then yeah
>>1343566
Well yeah, of course. So are plenty of other things carried out by governments in the name of public safety.
>>1348272
Nope, white gangs will protect white people, even those without tattoos, but you will be expected to back them up as well and follow their rules and not sit with blacks.
>>1348272
Hispanic and white gangs don't rape by the way (because their bosses at the top impose death for that), unless you're talking about S&P or former informants gangs, who are on the hitlist of mainstream gangs anyway.
>>1348264
Nope I was in general population and solitary for violence. Its not as divided or segregated as you think it is. For every gang member in prison there are 4 or 5 people with a release date who do not get into prison politics or gangs in order to not fuck up that release date. Yes, people tend to stick to their own, especially in gangs, but I had plenty of non Black Cuban friends in prison. White black even Asian. Prison is not Oz. Its actually pretty boring.
And someone calling you names to check if your a bitch or if you are standing up for yourself is NOT rare. It will happen within a week of your stay :)
>>1348294
>For every gang member in prison there are 4 or 5 people with a release date who do not get into prison politics or gangs in order to not fuck up that release date
Doesn't matter if you have only a week left, you can't drop out of your race. It doesn't matter whether or not you are actually in a gang, you still have to follow the authority of the gang that runs your race, and your race has to follow those rules. If you don't do that, your race will kill you or at least put you in the hospital.
>but I had plenty of non Black Cuban friends in prison
But you didn't share tables with them or play cards with them or workout with them. You just socialized, which is allowed.
> It will happen within a week of your stay :)
Not unless you're in a very low-point facility with people who don't know how to run program.
>>1348294
So what do you do when they start calling you names?
>>1348030
It's so weird, natural law is literally the strong exploiting the weak and hedonism. Judge Dredd is literally the avatar of Chaos.... because he stands for Order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl_sRb0uQ7A
>>1348313
The same shit you should have learned in grade school, you little bitch, you knock their fucking teeth out or break their nose.
You single mother/cuck raised eunuch.
>>1348313
You fight them. Or kill them, no one will hold it against you if you do.
Self-imposed solitude can be good for you.
But as a punishment it's worse than death.
>>1348334
>>1348313
You fight them and even and if you lose you gained enough respect for people not to fuck with you as often.
>>1348305
Dude how the fuck are you telling me what I did in prison? You have 0 idea what you are talking about. I GAMBLED with white people , with my Cuban and Black friends. I've ate and worked out and played basketball with Asians. The best damn Chess player I ever met was a Black guy named Pops serving life for 3 counts of murder and kidnapping. That's not how shit goes down. There is some segregation and GANG members won't be caught dead in another table like you said, but again, most people just do their time and don't get involved with gangs. Unless you are unlucky, gangs typically don't start fucking with random people left and right.
Even gangs who are listed as "rivals" on whatever wikipedia page your reading work with each other occasionally to make money. Prison isn't some savage barren underworld that you read about on the internet.
