What is the best governing ideology for creating and preserving a strong middle class in any given nation?
>>1338730
But first we should ask: what is the middle class? What is its function? How did it come to be?
>>1338730
I hate his face. Stop posting it.
>>1338749
I hate your opinion. Stop posting it.
>>1338752
Make me.
>>1338730
liberalism
>>1338752
he didn't even offer an opinion.....
Socialistic democracy
>>1338766
This, social democracy have in practice, if we look at the Scandinavian countries, just constantly pandered to the middle class. The lower classes and higher classes are sacrificed for the supreme middle class.
When I talk low class here, I'm talking about unemployed people who aren't part of unions and have trouble getting work for one reason or another. These people are fucked in the social democratic system since unions are the ones who pay out your unemployment benefits. If you've never worked you'll get next to nothing.
And the amount of people that can be considered high class gets shrunk by taxes and expenses for employing people.
If it's good or bad is up for anyone to decide but not on /his/.
>>1338775
>When I talk low class here, I'm talking about unemployed people who aren't part of unions and have trouble getting work for one reason or another. These people are fucked in the social democratic system since unions are the ones who pay out your unemployment benefits. If you've never worked you'll get next to nothing.
This is simply not true in the slightest.
The lower classes in the Nordic countries are well supported. The whole idea with Social democracy is that every member of society is cared for.
Compare it to the US, which have loads of people who live in or close to poverty levels, are homeless, spend most of their lives in prisons, die or suffer due to lack of free health care, etc.
There isnt one. It depends about the country own characteristics.
Socoaldemocracy works well in countries with low ppl and racially and religiously homogeneous societies.
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>>1338781
Finland has literal bread lines, a private charity effort is helping people not to die because the state ain't doing shit for them.
>>1338798
Everyone in Finland is entitled to get income from the state to make it due. Some people do of course choose to stay out of the system.
It's not a non-issue but it's extremely marginal compared to countries like the US.
>>1338759
You first
>>1338775
>These people are fucked in the social democratic system since unions are the ones who pay out your unemployment benefits.
???
where do unions pay unemployment benefits?
>>1338775
Do you realise that Sweden collapsed due social democracy 25 years ago and were forced to privatized half of the country? Modern social democracies are just capiatalism with social programs paid by taxing the middle and lower class into oblivion. The end result of social democracy is Greece
>>1338807
>Do you realise that Sweden collapsed due social democracy 25 years ago and were forced to privatized half of the country?
That's not true at all. The economic recession of the 90's was caused by banks and the IT bubble. Since then yes, some things have been opened up to the market, but not to an overwhelming degree, and the majority of people choose to use the state-driven facilities.
The privatizations are a major discussion in Sweden and have always been controversial. It's receiving wide-spread criticism every other day in the news, and we today have a left wing government who are taking steps in demolishing or regulating these facilities.
t. Swedish economics student
unfettered laissez faire capitalism and direct democracy
>>1338730
> What is the best governing ideology for creating and preserving a strong middle class in any given nation?
Socialism, obviously.
>>1338746
> But first we should ask: what is the middle class?
Independently wealthy people.
> What is its function? How did it come to be?
Those questions don't make much sense, you know.
You'd need to create a new middle class in order to fix the issues present now. So I'd say communism in order to create the biggest middle class and socialism to preserve it.
>inb4 someone calls me a communist
literally none, ideology is your enemy, culture is your enemy.
>>1338833
>unfettered laissez faire capitalism and direct democracy
Retardo proles will just run wild harming workgivers.
>>1338766
> Socialistic democracy
Nope.
>>1338833
> unfettered laissez faire capitalism and direct democracy
Can't mix. If capitalism is unfettered, it doesn't matter what kind of "democracy" you have. Either way your vote doesn't mean shit. If you actually DO have direct democracy, you "unfettered capitalism" is going to get leashed hard real fast.
>>1338874
I'll tell you straight away that you don't know what "communism" means. I assume you are talking about Bolshevik-style revolution, not communism.
just so that we are clear who is who
- >>1338868
Fascism
>>1338805
no U
>>1338927
Communism - everyone is upper class.
Everyone is middle class - that would be Socialism.
>>1338832
>The economic recession of the 90's was caused by banks and the IT bubble
It was a recession everywhere else, but it literally collapsed your governments. This couldn't be said for anywhere else on Earth outside of the social democracies of Scandinavia. Do you not see the link here?
>>1338878
/thread
The sphere of discursive knowledge regarding the decisions of agents in a network is far smaller and grows at a slower pace than the sphere of decision matrices each agent can make as time goes on. For the most part.
aka, you have to hack out a stable working economic base. No system will hand it to you other than by luck.
You could also alter the genetics of a population to severely increase delayed gratification thresholds aka the fuckwits actually think about the future.
The Industrial Revolution came out of the shadow of a multi-hundred year de facto eugenics program in the form of Manorialism.
>>1339237
>literally collapsed your governments
No, it certainly didn't.
>This couldn't be said for anywhere else on Earth outside of the social democracies of Scandinavia. Do you not see the link here?
Like I said, the recession was caused by a faulty banking system. The most major causing factor was the deregulation of the credit markets.
There are in fact many similarities to the American subprime mortgage crisis of 2007/2008.
As a result much stricter and sounder regulation were put in place, which is actually why Sweden handled the European financial crisis in the 21st century relatively well.
>>1339255
Even worse about this sphere of discursive knowledge, it'll be picked apart by partisans for politics and left plundered and pillaged on the public pillar.
To be alliterative. You realize that to know things you have to either
1. Know them yourself
or
2. Be really good at finding smart men who are their own men
There are plenty of "smart" cucks and lackeys in suits. The people who could dissect those roaches in a glance are fewer.
>>1339271
>No, it certainly didn't.
>Kroner became worth 10% of it's previous worth almost overnight
>Didn't collapse your governments
Lad....
>>1339337
That's just a recession, not a "governmental collapse". The government were the ones taking the country out of the crisis (very efficiently so).
>>1339351
>currency loses 90% worth overnight
>just a recession
You're supposed to be an economics major?
>>1339357
Yes, a recession, a financial crisis. Saying our government collapse sounds like you're trying to say some sort of mayhem happened where anarchy broke out. Nothing collapsed, and the government were strong and handled the financial issues well.
(Also, we switched from a fixed to a floating exchange rate during this time, so looking at how the currency dropped is very misleading).
The only real answer is Ideal Anarchy.
Steal from the rich and kill the poor.
depends too much on level of technology to give an accurate answer
autarky. you have to be nationalist at least to the extent of not taking losses.
