Is racism logical?
>>1333320
No. Racism arises from heuristics, which are inherently unreliable.
>>1333320
/pol/
I would say no, but let's begin by understanding what our individual conceptions of race are exactly.
>>1333320
nah
probably not
>>1333320
Yes
>>1333320
Of course not.
>>1333320
is more of a logic substitute. Short hand logic. Logic for the logic-less.
So no.
![maxresdefault[4].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tnKSiC6.jpg "maxresdefault[4].jpg")
>>1333333
Checked
>>1333333
Fuck...
the numbers........
>>1333374
thank you 4 noticing :)
What do you think?
>>1333377
please stop
>>1333371
So being a neckbeard is being smart? Why do we insult them again?
>>1333371
*tips stalhelm*
>>1333333
What a legendary get
>>1333371
Wouldn't that be for the opposite?
>>1333333
hex don't lie.
>>1333382
stop what
>>1333380
>phrenology
>>1333333
HEXGETHEXGETHEXGET
>>1333322
>>1333333
>>1333344
>>1333355
>>1333377
>>1333388
What's going on here?
>>1333396
idk
>>1333396
holy shit we were blinded by the hex we didn't see the wealth of dubs.
also no.
>>1333320
Racialism?
No. Not at all
Human Biological Difference?
Yes
Discriminating based on clear differences?
Its a bit complicated...
By most moral constructs, it is immoral though, thats a given
Yes. If you think no, then you've never lived with niggers.
>>1333406
I feel like I could say the opposite.
>>1333406
wtf i hate niggers now
Heh. /his/ always mocks /pol/ for having a fancy for trips and dups and just labels them /b/-tier but when a person saying something politically correct gets it they celebrate.
>>1333425
>/his/ always mocks /pol/ for having a fancy for trips and dups and just labels them /b/-tier
I've seen a lot of people say /pol/ is /b/-tier, but that is not the reason.
>>1333390
I think it's more in terms of who's closer to whom.
>>1333320
Why don't you rigorously define what you mean by racism and I'll get back to you
>>1333320
You can believe that X people are worse / better than Y people in general but it is illogical to discriminate based on that since there is more variation within races than between them.
Hateing anyone based on skin color alone is retarded.
The problem with race is that it is not static.
It seems like common knowledge that the Irish would be considered white, but back when the immigrated to the US, they were literally thought of as subhuman potatoes. Now they are considered part of the "white race" and this is also true with Italians. Who the hell knows what white actually is? Phenomenologically speaking, slavs appear to be white, but if you say that you'll get a lot of (You)s implying that slavs are white.
>>1333698
Slavs and Irish people aren't considered white according to Thomas Huxley, who was the most fervent proponent of Darwinian evolution in society. They're on the same level as Africans and Asians. I think they might be lowers on the hierarchy then Asians actually, I can't remember how it unfolds exactly. It's very specific.
>>1333698
Nowadays, we group people into four races: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, and Australoid. These terms aren't widely used, save for forensic anthropology, and are used in a very loose way. Caucasoid includes anyone from Europe to the Horn of Africa and India. Mongoloid includes everyone in Southeast Asia and the Americas. Negroid includes all people groups in North and South Africa, though some separate them into two sub-races: Capoid and Congoid. And finally, the Australoids include any native inhabitants of Australia and some Melanesian islands.
>>1333717
>Nowadays, Americans group people into four races: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, and Australoid.
FTFY.
i for one don't hate people based on race
i hate them based on their shitty culture
>>1333776
see
>>1333333
Memetic magic has chosen, you are wrong. It's over.
>>1333698
Irish and slavs have fair skin and caucasoid skulls, how are they not white?
>>1333785
He never said they weren't, he was merely putting it out there that they haven't always been considered white, because white isn't "just" a term that defines skin color.
I mean, ask yourself, is an African albino white? He or she would be white skinned, but certainly not what we would consider "white" culturally speaking.
>>1333746
>aren't widely used
its so annoying looking up info on archaeogenetics and finding that pretty much everyone that ever posts about it online is into HBD, which is just inevitably a cover for racialism which is really just racism. layers upon layers of amateurs trying to pretend that they're not racist by showing how they're pureblood Cro-Magnons or whatever
Yes.
I figured people who post on a board dedicated to fucking history would look at nigger society and realize that there's a pattern.
Haven't you ever wondered why literally every single culture that's been made up of blacks has been a backwards cesspool of violence and crime? How is it that over the course of thousands of years of human civilization black people never achieved technology greater than spears and mudshit huts when they call one of the most prosperous continents on earth their home?
Well, yeah. Prison is a good example, so is anyone who ever lived in a black neighborhood who was ever white, although that's more anecdotal.
>>1333390
Phrenology is a pseudoscience if it derives some sort of indication of mental abilities or otherwise. Showing the differences between the skulls of different races, and juxtaposing them together is not phrenology; it is, however, an uncomfortable factor for those who argue that there is no inherent difference between races.
>>1333805
It might be possible, that the material conditions for the advancement of their societies have never been up to par. Malaria is the biggest killer and the disease is worse in Africa. Slaves were given no access to material or wealth and had to try to overcome adversity. They still produced the best damn music of this past century. I imagine if there were different circumstances a different culture would arise.
>>1333820
>however, an uncomfortable factor for those who argue that there is no inherent difference between races.
I've never heard anyone argue that there aren't any differences between races at all; I mean everyone acknowledges that we have different skin colors.
The point isn't that people are different. The point is that people use tiny, insignificant differences as a justification to hate and oppress.
>>1333835
>They still produced the best damn music of this past century
>>1333805
>dat anime pic
>autistic racists
that's fucking great
>>1333846
>doesn't even attempt to argue
>r-racyiss!
>>>/tumblr/
So this is a thing.
>>1333805
>How is it that over the course of thousands of years of human civilization black people never achieved technology greater than spears and mudshit huts
lmao
>>1333835
And half the population of Europe was killed off by the bubonic plague, that didn't stop them from becoming the dominant force in the world and developing technology that far superseded every other society.
>>1333851
>mfw
>>1333852
lol
>>1333858
It gets worse.
>>1333858
Egypt is single handily responsible for all civilization existed. You can say "B B B BUT MOM THEY WERENT BLACK PEOPLE!!!!" all you want. They were in Africa.
>>1333859
Taylor is motivated by music founded by black artists in the early 20th century
>>1333320
No. Even if the superiority of one group over another could be conclusively proven, there is no excuse for treating somebody poorly due to immutable aspects of identity
>>1333861
they weren't black.
Are you seriously implying that the only qualification to be a nigger is to live in Africa?
>>1333852
Ah you think memes are your ally? You merely adopted the memes. /pol/ was born in it, molded by it. /pol/ didn't see the light until /pol/ was already a oldfag, by then it was nothing to /pol/ but blinding
>>1333862
ummmm what makes you think you understand tay's motivations?
>>1333850
>responds with a picture of a fucking jew
jesus christ you autistic piece of shit
>>1333845 I was talking about blues and rock.
>>1333860
im actually glad to see that someone treated adam and eve as brown people for once
>>1333866
Her music has nothing to do with her motivations
>>1333866
Nice dubs, but it's true
>>1333876
havent genetics studies shown that modern egyptians are pretty much the same people as ancient egyptians?
there were black people in egypt but the bulk of egyptians were the same sort of people that exist today. egyptians today aren't really arabs, as in arabs from arabia, they're culturally arab and so they've adopted that identity.
>>1333876
No you're twelve shut the fuck up lol
>>1333877
Yeah, I think AiG prides themselves on that. They prefer to have as much accuracy as their belief system allows.
>>1333320
Yes
>>1333887
*prides itself
>>1333876
Egyptians weren't Nubian, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. They were invaded by them at one point, that doesn't mean all egyptians turn into Nubian.
For fucks sake Ramses the II was a red head with fair skin. And you'll also notice he ruled over one of the greatest periods in Egyptian history.
>>1333868
go to bed dad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHkUg-QCwk
>>1333883
ok pal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb2stN7kH28
Is there any merit to the argument:
>you say blacks were oppressed so thats why they're the way they are now? Look at chinese americans, they were shit on massively too but look where they are now, much better off than blacks
>>1333884
"They were black just the important ones weren't"
It's not an argument. A majority of Ancient Egypt was black, especially in the Old Kingdom. Middle and New, especially New would have attracted a lot of Africans, you can see this reflected in New Kingdom art. You don't know shit about world history.
>>1333895
>post Greek contact New Kingdom Egyptian
>reflective of the majority of time of their civilization
Oh anon....
>>1333890
Here's a model of him from the Creation Museum. I admit, even though their ideas are laughable, they certainly did put a lot of time, money, effort, and love into it.
>>1333897
why the fuck did you post electronic music when he was talking about blues and rock?
And as for tay tay, her music is country music which is LITERALLY blues music with a hint of western influence. Blues music = nigger music. Without them niggas, you wouldn't have tay tay.
>>1333900
do you have any genetic resources on that? i'm genuinely curious, because i was under the impression that modern egyptians are straight up egyptians.
i wont doubt you if you can show that there's genetic evidence of it
>>1333910
>do you have any genetic resources on that?
You first. Direct art is more accurate representation of their time. New Age art went outside of the realm of idealization of form before, and it shows them as mostly black.
>>1333899
There can be multiple reasons for something being the situation it is.
Blacks being in a worse situation that whites, can both be that they were and are marginalized, *and* that they themselves don't want to integrate into the larger culture, and glorify their own victimhood.
>>1333922
I meant New Kingdom not age
>>1333926
I never said Nubian. Towards the New Kingdom, certainly. Old Kingdom was more collection of people in North, and people to the West left due desertification of Sahara towards the Nile
>>1333929
It's not that, it's more size combined hostility of Africa that prevented it.
>>1333909
to point out that blues and rock are by no means the universally agreed upon "best damn music of this past century" and country western music is based primarily off insular folk music but i know that wont stop you for tryin to take credit for it
but to prove my point, compare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm8tr56vhns
with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ICnU37BGk
>>1333929
>they themselves don't want to integrate into the larger culture, and glorify their own victimhood
I find it a bit funny that Asians choose to americanize their first names and leave their family names while blacks do the opposite; leave their family names (white) and JUST their first names.
>>1333850
Human dignity and life are inherent rights of existing in the species of homo sapiens.
I know it's not very edgy, but stormcucks and teenage edgelords will have to deal with it someday.
>>1333860
Eve looks like Hila Klein.
>>1333320
While there may be differences between the "races" the actual genetic difference is too insignificant to be considered rational. Racisim is an advantageous method of dividing the lower classes to present opposition to the ruling class.
>>1333932
>I never said Nubian
>>1333876
They were black. Most were Nubians...
anyway, Wikipedia actually has a good summary on genetics but it sounds like what I expected, which is something rather mixed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt
The people in Egypt basically are native to the region with some Middle Eastern thrown in, but for the most part they're the same as they've been. they have some genetic links to other north and eastern africans, so there's certainly black in there, but they're not like sub-saharan african black.
>>1333360
Basically this.
It's a convenient mental shortcut that comes as a consequence of really basic pattern recognition, much of which is confirmation bias.
It's not purely rational, though.
>>1333951
Wew.
Racism is showing the obvious differences between races in the faces of everyone.
And it is significant, if it wasn't, why are there more probabilities at having a kid with a mental illness when racemixing?
>>1333965
>Racism is showing the obvious differences between races in the faces of everyone.
No it isn't. Racism is thinking these obvious and insignificant differences gives you any reason to oppress or hate.
>>1333965
It's the opposite. You're more likely to have an unhealthy child when working within the same race. But it hardly matters. You're probably mentally ill, you're posting on /his/
>>1333965
>if it wasn't, why are there more probabilities at having a kid with a mental illness when racemixing?
Can you cite this? I'm actually curious.
>>1333961
Considering much of what we could have known about African cultures was destroyed and burned with the Library of Alexandria, I'm hesitant to say we have the full picture of west Africa
>>1333975
The national Longitudinal Survey of Adolescent Health, the study between the students of San Francisco State University and the University of Hawaii at Hilo.
>>1333985
There are so many sources that dispute these results lollll
>>1333988
Show them.
I can get more to back up me but i'll take a while.
>>1333840
>The point is that people use tiny, insignificant differences as a justification to hate and oppress.
Holy shit this board is cancer beyond salvation. Noping the fuck out.
>>1333989
Show the portions of the source you've cited supports what you said it supports without quote mining.
>>1333992
Are you underage?
>>1333992
>literally unable to provide counter-arguments
>dude it's just cancer Xd
You are the cancer friend
>>1333992
Yeah fuck this place, let's go back to /pol/ and never come back. These cucks are beyond saving.
You hear that my /pol/ brothers, we must return to our bastion of scientific thought and logic post haste, before any of these cuckolds can taint our board's purity.
We must remember though, to never return to this board. Not even if our lives depended on it!
>>1333380
This tells me races are different.
This doesn't make me racist.
>>1333995
>>1333997
>screams ad hominem
>proceeds to ad hominems
How the fuck am I supposed to rebut an entirely emotionally loaded narrative that's falsifiable due to it general and nebulous terminology?
I was aptly responding to the tone of the statement that has no place here if you guys gave a shit about having any intellectual integrity. I'm not the /his/terical type that sits around pretending to be Plato.
>>1333380
You're not even a good racist, one of your capoids is a negrito you cuck.
>>1333997
>Promoting class warfare and guilt tripping a person based on their ancestors
>>1334006
Hark friend! I say, down with these cuckolds and race traitors, let us return to an enlightened board such as /pol/ and nary set our mighty foot on this board again.
Posting here only makes their board better, while we could be on /pol/ keeping its status as the greatest board on this cucked site.
C'mon now, let's go. No time to waste!
>>1334008
>he doesn't support class warfare
>he honestly thinks that the advancment of the working class means that white people will be discriminated
Living in bad faith senpai
>>1334015
I agree, let's keep this place a cucked liberal hugbox! Let's return to our homeboard and never come back here. Their infrastructure will crash without our unbashed alpha intellectualism keeping their pussified liberal banter in check.
What are we even waiting for? there's a much better board waiting for us!
>>1334018
Holy shit this board is full of commies as well? Just nuke my shit up sempai.
>>1334019
>getting rustled over a shitpost
>on a Norwegian whistling forum
>implying im natsoc because I disagree with upi
The hostility is certainly palpably coming from the /his/ hivemind. You really think I'm a stormfront nazi because I reject you tumblr levels of cancer and you accuse me of being asspained.
>>1334022
Again, this is a shit board full of leftist hugbox. Let's go and take our high energy memes with us!!!! DEUS VULT BROTHER!!!!! The true white race shouldn't deal with commie mongoloids shitting up a board. Come on! What are we even still doing on this cucked liberal pussy paradise.
>>1334022
>waaaah people have different worldviews than me
>waaaaah nuke them all
>>1333335
> heurstics
> unreliable
just because they're not perfect doesn't mean they're unreliable. evolution works via heuristics after all
>>1333994
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/
Results
Table 2
>>1334025
>upi
What?
>>1334025
My god, why are we still here. You're only playing into the leftist zionist b8ers here.
DEUS VULT, let's make haste to our bastion of intellectual discussion. Again and again, these people shit up 4chan. Do we really have to keep going on with this charade?
Let's go, I mean there's nothing to lose except for a shit board. Even if we stayed, we're outnumbered by the liberals and commie cucks here. For too long this site has been contaminated with political correctness. Tonight is the night we shall finally rid ourselves of race traitors and return to /pol/!
>>1334028
>unironically defending an ideology that has killed billions of people
>lol it will work next time comrades lets keep pushing for another revolt #feelthebern
Also if you can't understand hyperbole when you hear it, your political leanings make a lot more since considering your condition.
>>1334040
>billions of people
And here you are bitching about someone making a hyperbolic joke.
Fucking kek
>>1334043
>What is China
>What is Russia
>inb4 not real socialism
No seriously though you commies should just off yourself because reason clearly is impossible when you consistently seize muh means of production through violence and mass murder.
>>1334039
Even going by the most generous estimates of casualties caused by those and any other communist regimes is still shy of one billion.
I'm no commie but damn, McCarthy must still have his dick up your ass.
>>1333320
Discriminating against someone purely due to their race is illogical.
This is not to be confused with making judgments based on racial groups or traits. For example the skin color of a suspect is useful for identifying them and asians are more likely to suffer from lactose intolerance so if you want to start a dairy business in Japan you have to take that into account.
>>1333861
>They were in Africa.
How is this relevant? Have you even visit North Africa? They are not blacks. Is like saying:"You can say that India os not Chinesse but both are in Asia,so there is that"
>>1334040
Lets operate under the assumption that ideologies and economic systems can be blamed for deaths then.
How many countless people have died to promote neoliberal economic policy? How many died from starvation in capitalistic economies? What about those who die of curable diseases, or due to exposure? How many wars have been started in the sake of protecting the economic interests of the elite? What about those who died from colonial policies and settlers? I imagine the Belgian Congo alone has quite a high toll. If we are to hold ideologies and economic systems solely responsible, then capitalism holds no moral high ground in that argument.
>>1333876
>They were black
>>1334061
For you.
Learn spanish faggot.
>>1334066
If you would present an actual argument, instead of hiding behind another language, I'll be waiting
>>1334072
The pick is the description of an experiment.
>>1334061
I think the intent to murder and destroy matters.
If I pollute a river because I honestly believe that it runs out to the ocean, when in reality it runs into a Indian reservation and kills people who drink the water, I am liable for damages and jail time.
But this is still vastly difference from using the state as the tool for your ideological war with everyone around you, and use human beings as simply means to an end, no matter the costs.
>>1334066
Looking at a translation, this argument shoots itself in the foot, by defining socialism as state control of the means of production, unless the translation I read was flawed, or from a different article.
>>1334072
It actually has an argument, let me translate it for ya.
A recognized professor of economy in the northamerican university Texas Tech pledged he never reprobated any of his students but that, in an occasion,he had to shave his entire classroom.
He tells that his entire class insisted that socialism worked, no poor or rich existed, but a total equality.
The professor proposed to his students an experiment in the classroom about socialism.
All the grades would be averaged and all the students would get the same grade so that no one would be reprobated and no one would get an A.
After the fist exam. all the students got B.
The students who prepared very well were upset and the students that studied little were happy.
When they presented the second exam, the students that studied little studied even less. and the students that prepared themselves decided to not work too hard because they wouldn´t be able to get an A so they studied less.
The average of the second exam was D, no one was happy. When the third exam was presented all the class got an F.
Lazy to translate the rest.
>>1334089
>by defining socialism as state control of the means of production
You are welcoming to define it an other way that doesn't include bullshit like "worker control of the means of production", because that already exists within capitalism, i.e the Mondragon worker federation etc.
>>1334095
The fable tells us that socialism and communism will never work in a competitive mentality (Aka: All animals have that)
>>1334095
That isn't at all what socialism is. Like Marxn himself once said: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
The, "everyone gets the same grade" argument, is an old meme perpetuated by the American education system.
>>1334108
I believe that is socialism.
The same for all
Capitalism is more for the one who works harder and/or smarter.
>>1334112
So the man born into poverty, unable to get a decent education, and unable to to find a job that provides for his needs, no matter how hard he tries, capitalism is for him?
>>1334121
So what about the people that were born in poverty and are middle class or even upper class?
Were they unable at all?
Oh unable to find a job, after all the jobs of construction that exist, oh wait, mexicans are doing them.
Hard he tries, then why wasn't him able?
What says he will magically get a job in socialism?
>>1334121
Moving away from poverty is easy as shit,if you are half focused,and dont waste all the time druging yourself.
>>1334121
Yes.
Only americans care this much about race.
>>1334150
/thread
>>1334141
Americans choose to do hard work so that they can acquire the opportunity to do whatever they want.
America is a mixed-race country. America is the top country. -- Brown people in Sumeria were the first civilization. Brown people will be the last and greatest civilization. It all comes back together.
>>1334141
Americans are amongst the best paid people in the world. If you live in your own bubble is your fault.
>>1334165
>America is a mixed-race country
The proportion of mixed people is less than 5%...America is mostly white. On the orher hand Mexico is a good example of a mixed population,and the country turned to shit when the Spanish colonial goverment left. You people live in your own bubble.
>>1333320
1.people have a natural propensity to show favoritism towards members of their own group, as it was useful to them for tribal survival
2. humans are animals, animals evolve according to environment among a plethora of other factors, so it is logical to assume that along with physical features (melanin levels, facial structure) that mental facilities would also evolve according to environment
You don't have to be a stormfag to realize that different races are different and should be treated differently by you as an individual.
>>1334179
>You don't have to be a stormfag to realize that different races are different and should be treated differently by you as an individual.
Yes, yes you do.
>>1334174
Given some definition of white. Are you including the native population? The Irish? I'm part American Indian, but I think most Americans are? Does that make me mixed?
Let's settle this once and for all,is doscrimination against gorillas justified?
>>1334150
>implying Europeans don't hate brown people
>implying Asians see anyone outside of their nations as anything other than subhuman dogs
>implying most people don't want to be white or want to fuck white. plastic surgery or skin whitening products anyone. wanna make your nose more aquiline? want to have "wide-eyes"? oh look almost every top brazillian soccer player have blonde wives
>>1334188
>I'm part American Indian
Being 1/64th american indian doesnt make you not caucasoid. Again How does this fit with your dumb rhethoric that America is brown and the future of humanity too?
>>1333861
best meme ever
Nubians were treated like dirt, similar to Jews
>>1334193
>implying i said racism exclusively exists in 'murca
though it's pretty fucking close. go post anime somewhere else meme overlord
let's see...
>No
>It's just an excuse to hate or fuck people over to your own benefit
and
>wahhh commies
>wahhh tumblr
Some people here are awfully thin skinned for a master race.
>>1334061
given that this is a history board, I'm a bit surprised to see communists on here. I mean that in the sense that communists had an intense hatred of the past histories of their nations, the Bolsheviks destroyed the artifacts of the Imperial age and the Maoists destroyed Confucius's grave. How do you defend this?
>>1334195
1/16th, actually. As it is, America has long discriminated against minorities--Finnish, Swedish, Irish, etc.-- thinking them the downfall of our country. Yet, they all integrate, just the same. As it is, Spanish-American immigrants will integrate, just the same. Many of whom can pass for white people, because they are white people, or because we don't really know the difference, as we think we do.
America is a nation of immigrants, even while we think them lesser than us--like the damn Finnish--and will remain a nation of immigrants. That's our strength. That's our pride.
>>1333850
There's nothing to argue you anime posting faggot
>>1334211
To be frank, asking of a specific kind of behavior is "logical" is retarded to begin with, and this thread was clearly just a bait thread from the select group of stormlards from /pol/ who want to turn /his/ into /pol/ with dates.
>>1334096
I'm a capitalist as well but Mondragon is kinda a bad example
it's a syndicate operating within a capitalist framework
Don't hate me fampai!
>>1334141
a land full of kings has no subjects
>>1334219
>Spanish-American
Is this the politically correct way to mask that they aren't Spaniards?
Just gonna put this here.
>>1334183
why?
Do you treat a Pitbull the same as a Collie?
>>1334236
Humans aren't dogs.
>>1334231
It's to say they have Spanish heritage, while residing in the Americas. Immigrant nations use a lot of those.
>>1334246
Sensible
>>1334245
Why aren't all dogs the same then? Why don't Shepherds behave like Pointers?
>>1334255
When has anyone said humans are all the same?
>>1334219
>Finnish, Swedish, Irish
All of which are caucasoid. I really dont get your point. Negroids havent been integrated into mainstream american culture after 200 years.
>>1334245
The point this poster was trying to make was that dogs have unique characteristics due to divergent evolutionary paths, usually by geographic isolation.
Whereas the Europeans and Northern Asians had to deal with dynamic climates (in terms of temperature) and in turn needed the facilities for planning ahead, building centralized civilizations which led to a propensity to consume more, the peoples near the equator did not require such facilities.
Dogs evolved differently, they look different and behave different
People evolved differently, they look different and behave different
>>1334256
if they are different, then where do you draw the conclusion that they are equal?
Where is the empirical data that is championed so much here?
>>1334257
0.o. Do you know anything about mainstream American culture, or the color of our immigrants from the South? Just to give you a hint, they're all white mixed w/ native populations, and American have come to revere American Indians. Our black population has been here since our founding as well, and has not only influenced our music, but European music and culture just as well.
Granted, there are limits on these things, largely due to undue racism.
>>1334264
Yeah, but dogs don't have the variance in behavior that you are trying to assume here.
There doesn't exist a dog on one part of the planet that can do rocket science, and a dog on the other side of the planet, that can just play fetch.
Dogs are actually amazingly similar all over the planet, and respond to stimuli in mostly the same regardless of their physical features, just like human beings.
The question is however, is if it is "logical" to treat one dog differently from another, simply because we humans associate specific behaviors with specific dogs.
I mean, I can't tell you how many people who are so fucking ignorant on dog breeds, such as pitbulls, and think that every pitbull on the planet is automatically a vicious dog that will kill you, regardless of it's upbringing.
And this is very analogous to the common racists opinion of black people or other groups.
>>1334284
>Do you know anything about mainstream American culture, or the color of our immigrants from the South?
Yes,this proves nothing.
Blacks influencing music proves nothing either.
>>1334285
anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but if you think that pitbulls are as well behaved as other dogs, then you really are intent on egalitarianism
>>1334299
They are as well-behaved as other dogs if they are treated and raised as such.
If you raise a dog to fight in dog fights, don't be surprised when it starts killing people.
>>1334310
>They are as well-behaved as other dogs if they are treated and raised as such.
>If you raise a dog to fight in dog fights, don't be surprised when it starts killing people.
Fuck. Applying Marxism to animals. You people are reach some very interesting levels of delusion. Pitbulls are assholes,even when you raIse them properly. Some dogs are way more agressive than others,and just daying that it is due raising is dumb.
>>1334292
What do you want me to prove? That people aren't racist? I can't. Because some people are. Sadly. As demonstrated by this very website. As it is, though, immigrants to America have made America, wherever they happen to be from.
I hate to say it, but we have strong Christian labor force, who will carry us into our retirement, and help themselves and their families, in the process. If we allow it to be so. If we reject them, our GDP will fall, and we will be so much the worse for wear for it.
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!""
>>1334319
>Pitbulls are assholes,even when you raIse them properly.
No, no they aren't, and you should probably stop reading establishment media.
>>1334324
i said anecdotal evidence is invalid in reference to the picture mate
hey guys so like twin studies n shiet
>>1334268
>if they are different, then where do you draw the conclusion that they are equal?
Because they are all humans. Just because they are different doesn't mean they aren't humans.
And humans deserve to be treated equally, at least to the best of our ability, and where it doesn't threaten the liberty of the individual to pursue his or her interests.
>>1334328
http://www.rense.com/general27/raised.htm
>>1334342
Is this supposed to prove anything?
This is literally like saying white people are biologically dangerous and aggressive, because of WW2, and we should keep them on a tight leash.
>>1334340
from a legal standpoint, we are in complete agreement
from an individual standpoint, people think and behave differently, quite often along racial lines. In russia we don't behave the same as white Americans, but that is due to difference in culture, just like american blacks don't behave like blacks in africa. Race is a shortcut to this, and it is a useful one at that. People evolved differently, my ancestors getting run over by Mongols changed our culture, physical characteristics, and mind state irreversibly.
If it is true that it is the material and social conditions of people that influences people's characteristics. Then why do the Ashkenazi Jews have such a high IQ, when they were in many cases deprived in our countries? Is your only explanation for this that IQ is a tool of the white-cis-male patriarchy?
>>1334324
It is not anecdotal evidence. Some breeds of dogs are more agressive and have a higher agression rates than others. If you go to a veterinary and ask him which breeds of dogs are good for having in home he wont tell you "you know it is about how they are raised,rothabilers bitting children with way more frecuency is anecdotal evidence".
>>1334351
World War II had a variety of factors that led up to it which made the pursuit of the country leaders' geopolitical interests possible.
These dogs did not have such a provocation, at least according to the article. These events occur with pitbulls more frequently than with other breeds. The use of the dogs as pit fighters changed their biology over time and as such they have such tendencies intrinsically, that is my belief.
I tried to pick an independent source as well, as clearly you aren't another one of the sheeple drinking the MSM kool-aid man
>>1334340
>humans deserve to be treated equally,
No.
>>1334019
Fukken lol m8. Same. /pol/lock are less and less welcomed on every fucking board and they get booty bothered when people call them out on it.
>>1334340
All men deserve dignity. Whether born poor on an Irish farm, or a prince in Kuwait. We recognize our own, as humans. We all know work, and struggle, and suffering.
>>1334359
>World War II had a variety of factors that led up to it which made the pursuit of the country leaders' geopolitical interests possible.
Sounds like some egalitarian nonsense and I'm not buying it. It's pretty clear that white Europeans are biologically aggressive and dangerous and need to be bred out of existence.
There probably doesn't exist a white person on this planet that isn't violent because WW2 proves it.
>>1334374
lol. I know you're trolling, but I'm also awaiting the brown master race. Not because I think there will be end to war, but because I think genetic mixing results in better and stronger people.
>>1334374
Seriously, it gets brushed over what the fucking savages do to each other and other people on a regular basis.
Muh ""civilization"" is just a thin veil. They're acting their best because they're on the world stage now, and others are catching up. A generation in turmoil and they'll be animals again.
>>1334386
>genetic mixing results in better and stronger people.
Yeah Mexico just proves this.
>>1334374
I agree to be honest
I agree that Chinese people should be exterminate because they are willing to kill each other for the sake of killing other Asian people, flooding the Yellow River proves it
I agree that black people should be exterminated because they're able of exterminating each other in Rwanda
I agree that hispanics should be exterminated because they slaughtered each other under Castro's regime.
But if it came my time to die, I'm killing all others before my own. That is the nature of this "diversity" that lessens social cohesion and is pushed for the sake of appearing virtuous in an attempt to hide your vacant mind
Before your next anti-fa rally, please remember that you disgrace those who truly did fight fascism.
>>1334374
>dat satire. 10/10
>>1334392
Does Mexico have the most genetic diversity? Can you isolate that from environmental factors? For example, the US has a lot of temperate pastureland, in addition to solid vineland in California and the like. Can any country match us in our environmental diversity, as it facilitates profitable crop growth, and animal husbandry?
>>1334403
Oh, and oil. The US has quite a bit of oil and natural gas.
>>1334236
>confusing the results of selective breeding with the results of natural selection
>>1334403
>Does Mexico have the most genetic diversity?
Its population is highly mixed unlike America,and Mexico is quite wealthy in resources. Mixing with dber people just results in ending up with a dumver population overall.
>>1333520
This
>>1334444
? America is mixed as hell. My ancestors came from dozens of different populations. And while Mexico might be wealthy in resources, my question remains. Do they have the diversity of the US?
The massive pasturelands. The vineyards. The corn fields. The oil wells. The orange groves. The cherry and apple trees. The blueberry bushes. Etc. Etc.
America pretty much just owns everyone in terms of valuable land, w/ China possibly being an exception. Mexico certainly isn't.
>>1334214
The regimes in Russia and China (particularlly China) deserve sever condemnation for the attempts at destroying important historical artifacts and sites.
However, simply because former "communist"regimes have destroyed these artifacts, does not make it ideologically bankrupt. Quite the opposite in fact, communists of all tendencies should denounce these acts and learn from them. After all, a lot of marxism, and by extension, communism, is rooted in the study of history.
>>1334460
>America is mixed as hell. My ancestors came from dozens of different populations.
Still less mixed than Mexicans.A mestizo has way more gentic diversity thant the son of an Irish and an Italian
> And while Mexico might be wealthy in resources, my question remains. Do they have the diversity of the US?
Yes,with NAFTA the Mexico are raping the US in terms of trade,and Mexico has always been one of the wealthiest regions in the world.
>America pretty much just owns everyone in terms of valuable land, w/ China possibly being an exception. Mexico certainly isn't.
No.Lots of resources,and how does this even have to do with racial diversity?It is dumb saying that the US has varied land thereore any kind of diversity is good.
>>1333320
No. It's something that seems logical but isn't.
It's an easier answer, when you see another country doing worse than your own, and the people look different, its very easy and convenient to say "It is because they are this race", rather than looking into the more complex but more logical reasons such as their history, geography, pure luck sometimes, and other reasons.
>>1334470
"Mexico has always been one of the wealthiest regions in the world."
Really. As demonstrated by how much gold Spain stole from them? In any case, how am I, as a German, Irish, Ojibwe, Hungarian mix, less mixed than any given Spanish-American.
In any case, my point isn't that the US is diverse, therefor diversity is good, but the US is diverse, so whoever lives here will thrive. Especially diverse populations, though, in my estimation.
>>1334077
You're implying as if capitalists didn't use the state for their own profit while in the meantime they would get countless people killed.
A modern example would be the US.
>>1334491
>In any case, my point isn't that the US is diverse, therefor diversity is good, but the US is diverse, so whoever lives here will thrive. Especially diverse populations, though, in my estimation.
You just made one of the dumbest circular arguments ever created. Congratulations.
Btw,more gold has beem extracted from Mexico from the XIX to the XXI than from all the colonial period combined
>>1333320
>doesn't provide definition of racism
but yes it is logical to distrust things that are foreign to you
>>1334538
Only if you fail to make a distinction between genetic and environmental diversity.
>>1334518
They do, but they use the state for profit.
It's not profitable for massive amounts of the labor force to die, as opposed to Commies who would sacrifice entire swathes of the population to starvation and misery just to see their pipedream come to fruition.
>>1333320
is basing something on patterns/statistics and then applying that to tought/behaviour logical?
>>1333854
that's not sub-saharan africa though, northern africans are largely semitic after being ruled by europeans/semites/arabs for most of its history
If its based on biology it makes sense.
Its not racist but completely logical to pack sunscreen for a europid but not for the subsaharan african who also comes along before going to the beach in summer.
If we would finally make extended genetic studies just as the human genome project that for example unveiled that Tibetans have the special power to breath much better at high altitudes due to a cro magnum gene noone else has we would find out for sure where exclusion makes sense and where not, thus defying some kinds of racism while enabling others based on truth not bigotry.
Then theres culturally linked racism.
If I see myself as part of an ethnic group and want to make offspring of my ingroup I will most likely choose a mate of my own kind.
Being scornful of racemixing even with a group that isnt all too distant is still widely spread in India, east asia and some groups in the middle east.
Logic behind that is that mixing with another people also mixes the culture the offspring grows up while his appearance gets also branded as foreign, to make this not happen becomes increasingly important with the smallness of the ingroups size.
Noone calls a white 1/8 apache an apache after all.
I might also feel dissatisfied if surrounded solely by another race because I associate other cultures and identities to be carried by them.
These sentiments might not be completely logical but so is having traditions and the wish to maintain a cultural ingroup.
>It's another very well veiled communism thread
guys stop it we're not commies and this is not leftypol go home
>>1333876
they were and still are semitic with influences of arabic
>>1334606
Race has nothing to do with communism
>>1334600
>ethiopia
>not sub-saharan
>>1334600
>Ethiopia is northern africa and thus arab!
>>1334610
I know. But people still bring it up.
>>1334610
>Race has nothing to do with communism
Unless of course you're Israeli.
>>1334612
>>1334615
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ethiopia#Early_Solomonic_period_.281270.E2.80.931529.29
"
One of the earliest kingdoms to rise to power in the territory was the kingdom of D'mt in the 10th century BCE, which established its capital at Yeha. In the first century CE the Aksumite Kingdom rose to power in Tigray Region with its capital at Aksum and grew into a major power on the Red Sea, subjugating Yemen and Meroe and converting to Christianity in the early fourth century. The Aksumite empire fell into decline with the rise of Islam, forcing the Ethiopians to move south into the highlands for refuge. The Aksumites gave way to the Zagwe Dynasty who established a new capital at Lalibela, before giving way to the Solomonic Dynasty in the 13th century. During the early Solomonic period Ethiopia went through military reforms and imperial expansion that made it dominate the Horn of Africa. Portuguese missionaries arrived at this time.
"
>under semitic influence with semitic religions for most of its history
>i-it's sub-saharan civilization guys
>>1334632
>This is what a semite looks like
>>1334640
Indians and scandinavians look quiete different too but are indoeuropean.
>>1334640
that's someone which ancestors lived under semitic influence and religions, and still does, yes
>>1333867
>is having an autistic meltdown
>>1334640
>A 2012 study showed that although the Beta Israel more closely resemble the indigenous populations of Ethiopia, they have some distant Jewish ancestry, going back 2000 years. This has resulted in speculation that the community was founded by a few Jewish itinerant traders who moved to Ethiopia, converted locals to Judaism, and married into the local population. This evidence has been used as an explanation as to why the Beta Israel had no idea about the holiday of Hanukkah until they were resettled in Israel. The holiday commemorates events in the second century BC, long after their ancestors had left Israel.[68]
>>1333320
What even is racism ?
If I see a gypsy in front of me I will try to avoid him because gypsies are beggars and scum.
Am I a racist ? Of course I'm not, everyone who has met gypsies knows that they are the poorest excuse of human beings
Fuck gypsies.
>>1333320
I accept that africans and asians are humans like us, more or less, except for slight differences like whites having more neanderthal etc. However, I will not accept this obvious lie that the aborginies of Australia are homo sapiens sapiens. Its OBVIOUS that they are an earlier form of human, however this is not politically correct and no one can ever say that even if its true. I guess I understand why, but still its the obvious lie I just cant get over.
>>1333320
Yes. Unless you think shutting off a part of your brain somehow helps you be more logical.
>>1333333
KEK HAS SPOKEN!
WE ANTI-RACIST NOW
>>1333406
I lived in a mostly black neighborhood growing up in Florida.
You're an idiot.
>>1333406
From which fallout game is that image?
>>1333320
No because even if niggers were inferior, it's very stupid to judge an individual based on his group
>>1333333
We're separate species.
