Cro-Magnon and evolution thread
cro-magnon were fully evolved modern humans so i don't really understand what you want to talk about
>>1300417
What exactly about evolution do you want to discuss?
>>1300497
This. We should also point out that there is still no evidence that macro-evolution ever took place. As of now, it's an unsubstantiated theory backed up by misclassified chimp bones.
>>1300526
fail bro
One thing that is without doubt is that evolution, definitely, assuredly, most absolutely is true. Man did evolve from apes, and is an ape. There can be no doubt in this matter and it is considered settled by the scientific community and society at large.
Any ideas to the contrary can be summarily dismissed.
>>1300417
There doesn't seem to be very much, or any cro-magnon DNA in modern day Europeans. Cro-Magnons were most likely the original inhabitants of Europe (other than Neanderthals), but over time have been replaced by waves of immigration mainly from the middle east and the Pontic-Caspian steppe.
>>1300417
That image depicts a Neanderthal, buddie.
sharks
>>1300592
Yes it is. And this is what i want to discuss about. Cro-Magnons emigrated to Europe where Neanderthals lives and about 1000 years there were no Neanderthals anymore. I am curious about did Neanderthals died because natural things or Cro-Magnons killed them.
>>1300526
what?
hyperboreans
>>1300417
So was rape literally the method of reproduction.
Could a caveman just go to his fellow cavewoman and start fucking? No other caveperson would stop him?
>>1300580
Behavioral modernity. What's up with that?
Seriously, it seems like a huge and compelling mystery that can't be seriously investigated right now due to PC sensibilities. It just seems to explode out of nowhere.
Random guess not knowing anything: the capacity for modern language evolved and genetically spread throughout early "humans" from the first successful mutants.
>>1300716
>Cro-Magnons emigrated to Europe where Neanderthals lives and about 1000 years there were no Neanderthals anymore.
Sapiens and Neanderthals lived in the same areas for 15,000 years. One didn't start to really displace the other until the climate started to change.
>>1300756
>serbs are as cro magnon as nords
hmm
>>1300417
>ywn interbereed with a neanderthal qt and produce ubermensch geniuses
just kill m
>thread's theme.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QNlzkCO29bk
cro-magnons still exist. they are upper paleolithic survivors in eurasia and north africa.
plenty of moroccans, maghrebis, spanish, anglos, germans, italians exhibit the robustness of their cro-magnon genes
>evolution
this is a history board not fantasy board
Devolution can happen too, of course, and that's what religion offers.
Plato, or Socrates, said that what a child learns in the first six years become almost impossible to change. Hence the willful ignorance of all religion is indoctrinated into children from day one and we still, in the 21st C, have huge swathes of people denying facts such as evolution.
>>1300417
>ancient aurok shits while eating grass one night
>rains
>five am little mushrooms grow in the shit
>Cro-magnon comes along early and finds some mushrooms
>omnomnom
>trips balls for the next eight to sixteen hours
>ideas
>evolve
>>1300417
They were literally the master race.
Taller, stronger and with noticeably bigger brains than the average untermench today.
>>1302995
>Devolution
Not real
>>1300747
No.
>>1300563
>One thing that is without doubt is that evolution, definitely, assuredly, most absolutely is true
Just because you believe in it with all your cells in your body doesn't make it true, stop being emotional.
>>1300526
>clearly has ankle-deep knowledge of evolution
>clearly is at the height of mount stupid
>clearly has read a lot of modern religious propaganda that likes to distinguish between "micro" and "macro" evolution.
Where do we start? I don't want to spam 2,000 and scientific articles at you, so let's start with a claim:
Your claim is wrong, and based on fundamental misconceptions resulting from seeking the answer you wanted to hear.
>>1303243
He doesn't have to believe in. It's still true anyway.
>>1303310
Because you both blindly believe in it, but as part of reality as it is - evolution did not occur.
Creatonist claim
>>1303382
Aaaaand Answer
>>1303348
>Because you both blindly believe in it, but as part of reality as it is - evolution did not occur.
Sorry, bud. You're the one that blindly believes with faith. If you took the time to actually learn the science behind evolution you would believe it too. There are maybe 10 people on earth who understand evolution and don't think it occurred (inb4 Ken ham - no). The only reason you don't believe is sheer, unadulterated ignorance of the facts.
t. scientist
>>1303135
Large brain =/= more intelligence. Whales have bigger brains than us, doesn't mean shit.
Broken Hill representing.
>>1300417
who /hbd/ here?
Do you think we need a /hbd/ board?
>>1303803
What does hbd stand for?
>>1303818
Probably hybrid.
>>1303828
Hybrid
Hbd
Sounds the about same when you say it.
>>1303832
And Hbd sounds also the same as haberdashery, yet it's not that.
You could've at least googled it.
>>1303837
Ok, fair enough.
>>1303727
large brains compared to body = more intelligence
>>1303384
>somebody made this to debunk a Jack Chick tract
>>1303280
>falling for obvious bait
>>1303867
Can't be worse than spending time at 4chan
>>1303898
Is this is real?
>>1300580
All Europeans have some cro magnon admixture, Lituanians have the most with like 70% and Sicilians the least with like 24%
>>1303823
Ancient QT
>>1300563
I find it suspicious that people cling irrationality to evolution with the same fervor as a religious fundamentalist
>>1303907
I think it's an updated (and less racist) version of this.
>>1303867
>Iran
Why.
>>1303985
Remember Chubek from /int/? There's your answer.
>>1303988
Yes I do, he's obviously the best poster (miss him hard).
But the rest of iranians are not chubeks, disappointingly.
>>1304025
My gibbon.
>>1303849
Why are elephant fish dumber than elephants then?
Has anyone else convinced a creationist that evolution is correct?
>Meet woman from The Bahamas (th-thanks, 4chan) and talk to her online
>Bahamas is a fundamentalist wasteland, they don't teach evolution in schools and push a Christian agenda
>Explain to her how evolution works using simple examples of natural selection
>"Oh, that makes perfect sense."
I think she was an exception, though... Most fundies seem too entrenched in their ways to open their minds up to logic and evidence.
>>1304214
I think I convinced some of my classmates from my high school days. Most of them were on the fence about the issue, so it may not count. I tried to debate my old science teacher, but he was too entrenched.
>>1304239
>Bonobo skull looks nothing like the Australopithecus skull
Are the anti-evolution trolls even trying?
>>1304264
They're creationists, they rely primarily on ignorance and stupidity. The presentation that slide came from is still being used today.
>>1301648
The lack of mitochondrial DNA does not mean cro mags were the bulls.
>>1300417
The whole Darwinian theory of the struggle for existence is simply the transference from society to animate nature of Hobbes’ theory of the war of every man against every man and the bourgeois economic theory of competition, along with the Malthusian theory of population. This feat having been accomplished... the same theories are next transferred back again from organic nature to history and their validity as eternal laws of human society declared to have been proved.
t.
Friedrich Engels
>mfw a disgusting farmer from tu*key moves near my river
>>1304025
based
>>1304025
>women
Fucking top kek.
What is that from? It's hilarious.
>>1304214
Regularly
>born into Christian Fundie family
> Most of my friends and Classmates are YA Creationist
> Get really into Dinosaurs at an early age
>self taught paleontologist, give lectures while in high school
>Convince most people around me that evolution is a scientific truth (Being a theistic evoultionist helped make people listen)
>Even hardcore Southern Christian Mother
>Currently in college studying Petroleum Geology and Paleontology
>>1303976
How's that racist?
>>1300417
post some caveman paintings
>>1303976
This is not at all racist, are you implying that the white master race didn't evolve from black subhumans?
Liberal dilemma:
Out of Africa theory vs. White people are not evolutionary ahead of blacks
>>1304839
Don't you know man, they're dragon bones that like all magical creatures turn to stone when they die.
ISN'T IT OBVIOUS
>>1304918
the out of Africa theory does not insinuate that white people are ahead of black people at all. It just means that people from Africa settled in other places and adapted to these new places, while people in Africa continued to adapt to the African environment.
>>1304920
>>1300417
> Cro-Magnon
I've always hated this meme. It's just an obsolete label for early modern humans in Europe.
Just call them what they were. They were not a separate species -- nothing to distinguish themselves from what they were -- early modern homo sapiens sapiens in Europe.
I have disdain for plebs to continue to use this obsolete term.
Feh! It's like trying to initiate a scholarly discussion on "cavemen."
>>1305291
They were a separate racial group, being on average, larger than virtually any modern human group.
>>1304025
>Women
Is there a joke I'm not getting? Why would they chose to stem that from Arabs of all people?
>>1305488
This flies in the face of everything I know. I could be wrong, but an authoritative citation is definitely in order.
>>1300417
What do you guys think the present day human is going to evolve to?
>>1305491
>toasters evolved from poles
Yeah this picture is really inaccurate. Why would anyone post that?
>>1303823
>neanderthal
Give them more melanin and tight curly hair, there you get a Papuan.
>>1305766
Mudskinned mongrels
>>1300417
>>1303867
Interesting. What those nations have in common is extraction and refinement of oil.
>>1305291
It's not completely obsolete, it's used to refer to Europeans before the Neolithic expansion basically, when fairly different people from anatolia(but genetically linked to the near east) invaded much of the continent.
It's important because said farmers(and thus all modern Euros) supposedly had ancestry from a very early divergent(before 45000 years ago) non-african bunch that was isolated somewhere and started popping up among near eastern populations.
>>1306636
Chuckled
>>1304770
I think it's from National Lampoon if I'm not mistaken.
>>1304918
>evolutionary ahead
le monke
Going to try to save this thread -
I studied European prehistory in college, and can tell you that Cro-Magnons are indeed still alive and well in the world today. The Cro-magnon was the closest common ancestor of all Caucasian people. This physical type evolved in the Middle East and, in the Paleolithic, a branch of them went off into Europe as hunter-gatherers and largely became de-pigmented - modern survivals of this type include all of Europe's robust, square-headed, and relatively small-nosed peoples, found most often in the North. The Finns are the closest to these guys genetically. Now, a lot of Cro-Magnons stayed in the Middle-East and did not migrate to Europe. These populations had to adapt to a more desert-climate and a new lifestyle, which favored farming over hunting - this is known as the beginning of the Neolithic. The physical type that evolved from this was the basic Mediterranean (also referred to as Aurignacian on some online-anthro boards). These peoples are characterized by much thinner and longer faces, thinner bodies, and larger noses. Mediterraneans would go on to invade and civilize Southern and Western Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa, though they were present in other places too. This is where civilizations like Rome, Greece, Egypt, and Mesopotamia originate.
The Nordic race evolved out of the Mediterranean form only slightly north of the Mediterranean homeland, but is mistakenly associated more closely to European Hunter-gatherers based on pigmentation.
So Cro-Magnons still exist today, just in more specialized forms. It is also interesting to note that, even in the 40,000+ years since this type first evolved, all its descendants still share VERY strong genetic similarity - from Ireland to Iran, they're all still the same race. This is confirmed by all skeletal and genetic research done on the subject.
If you have any more questions, i'll try to check back in and answer them.
>>1309120
So basically they're proto-caucasoids? Interesting.
>>1309214
They were not proto-caucasoids because they were already fully Caucasian. They were just the closest common ancestor of all the different sub-types of Caucasian that we have today, which can essentially be split between Hunter-gatherer survivals and the Mediterranean, both being fully Caucasoid. Every white person in the world is really a mix of these by now.
Proto-Caucasian would actually be the closest common ancestor between Caucasians and East Asians, which is actually the reason why East Asians and those survival types I was talking about look similar to some degree (broad face, smaller nose, hooded eyes, etc.
>>1309120
what do you think about the fairly recent "basal Eurasian" concept though? it seems like Cro-Magnons don't give the full picture and in order to model, well, basically all west Eurasians, you need this ghost population
>>1309362
So "proto-caucasian" is the precursor to the caucasoids and the mongoloids?
>>1307149
Never heard about the rich oil resources of South Korea.
>>1309432
That pic has a bad example. Lions and tigers can reproduce because of a kindof genetic loophole, he same one that would allow man to hypothetically half-breed with chimps. This genetic loophole makes sterile offspring. Ligers can't reproduce.
>>1309446
Only under certain circumstances. I think the female offspring are fertile while male offspring would be sterile.
>>1304918
Evolution isnt like in pokemon retard. You arent "evelutionary ahead" just more adapted to your enviorment, like how white skin is better for european climates while black skin is better for the african sun
>>1309464
Wasn't Cain's line drowned in the great flood?
>>1309526
along with the nephilim
>>1309526
Yeah. I think it was just making fun of the fact that "evilutionists" think that we're distant cousins.
>>1309120
Where do Proto Indo-Europeans fall in this tale of your's?
>>1309921
Proto-Indo-Europeans were a cultural group that originated near the Black Sea region. Racially, they were composed of a tall, robust Mediterranean people called Nordids. They were really just an offshoot of the general Mediterranean stock which evolved only slightly south of there. It is likely that they were at least partially de-pigmented, but a lot of the Nordid people today with lighter pigmentation received those genes later on in Europe.
Cro-magnons evolved in the Middle East and have invaded Europe (and other places too) in multiple waves throughout history. First came early Caucasian hunter-gatherers (think today's Finns). Later, in the Neolithic, came Mediterraneans both by sea and by land, spreading agriculture throughout the land and setting the framework for Europe's and West Asia's advanced civilizations. The last major wave of migration from the Middle East was the Indo-European speaking Nordids, related closely to Mediterraneans who where already there by that time. I'm simplifying a little, but essentially, this is known as the beginning of the Iron Age, which we live in today.
These Indo-Europeans lent there language and culture to Southern and Western European Mediterranean peoples who were already forming advanced societies (Pelasgians, Etruscans, etc.) which is where civilizations like Rome and Greece come from.
The legacy of those Indo-Europeans lies in the language and culture of modern Europe and parts of the Middle East, and of course the Americas and so on. In regards to the genetic legacy, pure survivals of ANY ancient Cro-magnon physical type are absent, but the entirety of Europe and the Middle East carry a lot of those genes to some degree. Every once in a while the phenotype will be strikingly similar to those ancient Indo-Europeans, but genetically we (Caucasians I mean) are varying degrees of Mediterranean types (including Nordid) and Hunter-gatherer.
>>1309432
Yes, technically. This is why it is sort of weird to use the term "proto-Caucasian" because it is also "proto-Mongoloid". This ancestor, lets call it Archaic Eurasian, had a broad face but long skull (dolichocephalic) smallish nose, and thick build. Some of these features are retained in modern CM survival types in Western and Eastern Europe, but also East Asia too. Look up the Ainu people of Japan - they are often confused with Irishmen, but in actuality, they are East Asian Mongoloids that do not have the physical adaptions to the cold like epithatic eye-folds (stereotypical Asian feature) and larger cheek-bones.
>>1300747
It would really depend on contextual matters one would imagine
>>1303727
It would stand to reason that if you compared two humans that the one with more room for extra hardware would be smarter.
Comapring whales to humans is a dumb analogy with an obvious ideological basis. Get outta here you commie scum
>>1303843
Oh son of a bitch. I had that book, and I was struggling to remember what it was called. Thank you.
>>1307770
lol I know right
Whenever we say beautiful we are describing features inherited from Neanderthals, whenever we say ugly we are describing Cro-magnon.
>>1303280
Don't care if it was bait or not, your response really pleases me.
>>1310829
Most retarded thing I've read today.
>>1301644
ice age receding?
>>1310829
Is this a neanderthal or cro-magnon face?
>>1310965
You fucking retarded, just google Neanderthal and you'll know.
Neanderthals had abnormally big, hunched noses, weak jaws, extremely pronounced browridge, short, those traits would look like shit both in men and women to us modern humans, cromagnons were modern humans, not a different sub species like the Neanderhals, so there would have been some good looking ones, he's full of shit and probably just baiting.
>>1304713
Is that a pic of a Anatolian Neolithic Farmer?
>>1311098
No, neolithic farmers has light skin and mostly brown eyes and hair
>>1310965
that's just some bird
>>1300417
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Evolution Real Hahahaha Nigga It's Just A Theory Like Nigga Stop Taking Everything As Fact Haha
>>1309120
>>1302735
next time you see heavy robust features of a modern Cro-magnon take time to appreciate the surreal presence of a relic of an ancient cave-dwelling hunter-gatherer
>>1303837
fucking prove it faggot, no bullshit I want facts.
>>1303849
false. grey/white matter density is correlated with intelligence but size is not.
>>1311416
I work with Georgians. I notice this every day.
>>1300526
Are Cro-Magnons distinct from modern humans? I thought they were just homo-sapiens-sapiens, same as us.
>>1303972
It's not irrational to cling to facts.
>>1300770
HOW HAS "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" GOTTEN IN THE WAY OF STUDYING BEHAVIORAL MODERNITY?
WHEN WILL THESE MEMES STOP?
"Physics Beyond the Standard Model. What's up with that?
Seriously, it seems like a huge and compelling mystery that can't be seriously investigated right now due to PC sensibilities."
>>1309544
thank mr skeletal
>>1303280
>clearly has read a lot of modern religious propaganda that likes to distinguish between "micro" and "macro" evolution.
>a horse can evolve into a racehorse
>therefore a mouse can evolve into an elephant
care to explain this, atheists?
>>1300747
one would imagine
>>1311825
Cro Magnon was fully modern human, but a particular type that originated in the middle East. Caucasian people today are specialized types of Cro magnon
So I've been reading a bunch on ancient humans, including Cro-Magnon, and here are a couple of things that blew my mind:
- Cro-Magnon were big-game hunters specifically, so they were more robust than modern humans
- hunter-gatherers like Cro-Magnon had much more leisure time than agriculturalists (incl. modern humans)
- they built tents from mammoth tusks
- there's an actual realistic depiction of and by a Cro-Magnon from 26,000 years ago, pic related
(why is this not more widely known? imo this is much bigger than any venus figurine)
I'd give anything for a Cro-Magnon or Neanderthal or something to be cloned.
>>1312643
Or the Red Deer Cave people.
>>1312137
a racehorse is closer genetically to a horse than a mouse is to a descendent that fills the same ecological niche as an elephant so it takes less time to evolve
>>1312650
I'd rather see a Floresiensis cloned than a Red Deer cave person.
My list:
Neanderthal > Floresiensis > Cro-Magnon > Heidelbergensis (ever since those Schöningen spears) > whichever
>>1313117
I still think there could be remnants of the Flores people that have clung to life.
What I'd live to see is a living australopithecus of any sort.
Also, thanks for the info about the spears.
>>1313151
*what I'd love to see
Cro-magnon and neanderthalensis are ancient aryans
>>1307149
Interesting. You don't seem to be able to read a graph.
>>1312643
>hunter-gatherers like Cro-Magnon had much more leisure time than agriculturalists
You've got that wrong m8.
Sure, the farmers will have to sow and reap, but then he has the entire winter to do anything he damn well likes, while the hunter has to hunt all year round
>>1312643
Holy fucking shit, how is that not more famous
>>1313341
>implying you can't just find some fag farmers to massacre and take their winter food stores
>>1313375
It's not used as "proof" that people liking thin women is unnatural.
>>1313401
Also, there's this. I feel like the rest would be depicted as normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe6DN1OoxjE&list=WL&index=9
>>1313416
Bah. Everyone knows grey-skins didn't create us, we were a failed genetic experimwnt created by Yakub, an African Jewish (which is the same thing) scientist, to be a sort of slave race.
>>1313437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M
>>1313452
My eyes have been opened.
>>1303280
>taking the obvious bait
Fucking idiot
Is he a pure cro-magnid?
>>1313884
probably as unreduced cromagnid as it gets
>>1310342
>It would stand to reason that if you compared two humans that the one with more room for extra hardware would be smarter.
This isn't true though. Modern brains are actually shrinking overall. But they are growing in certain areas and changing in composition such that we are getting smarter. Make no mistake, the human brain is still undergoing evolution.
Neanderthalso and Cro Magnon had larger brains than us but they could fully reproduce modern behaviors.
>>1313977
Weren't Neanderthal brains more optically-based than us?
>>1313998
>Weren't Neanderthal brains more optically-based than us?
I can't speak to that either way, interesting if true if true though.
I know for sure their frontal lobe wasn't as developed as ours. That said, they were very intelligent and probably possessed language.
>>1305006
wew lad you should come to australia. that exact theory is being pushed around the nu-male scientific community. god forbid they find some kind of fossilised ape out in the desert. what would everybody rather, out of africa or out of australia?
>>1314959
Out of Piltdown.
>>1313341
Source?
This was actually studied m8:
Sackett, R. 1996. "Time, energy, and the indolent savage. A quantitative cross-cultural test of the primitive affluence hypothesis". Ph.D. diss., University of California, Angles.
>>1304025
>toasters
>>1314975
>lower primates and household appliances
>>1303867
>No autism in Japan
GTFO and ram that retarded up your ass
Have some Pithecanthropus.
>>1310965
neither it's clearly an elf
>>1303125
good post
>>1307859
good post
What would happen if you were transported back in time and encountered a proto-human, would they try and kill you, attempt communication, rape?
>>1317586
Depends. How far back we talking?
>>1313884
Can't wait for mark hunt to drop this fool at ufc 200
>>1301672
Piltdown Man was a fake retard
>>1304214
I convinced my dad. He wasnt religious he just didnt understand it and intuitively thought it looked "directed"
bumperino
>>1310965
>dat dick sucking neck
>>1303867
>Finland
>not the most autistic nation on earth
Shit map
>>1313391
>implying fag farmers don't form a force of thousands strong for 6 months every winter and conquer the hunters for slaves and better lands to farm
>>1323423
i don't think you understand what "autism" means. not even the worst meme stereotype of shy and grumpy alcoholic does fit it anyhow.
>>1309120
your posts have been very interesting, thank you
