I don't know if this is the best place to ask about this?
But why do I feel okay with eating pigs, cows, chickens, sheep, and all sorts of stuff but the Yulin festival leaves me in disgust?
Am I a hypocrite? Do I not accept cultural relativism?
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It's not that you don't accept cultural relativism, it's that the very culture which you are in views these acts as wrong,
You (and I for that matter) are self-aware, however you can't help but feel a bit upset about it is all.
There's nothing that makes eating a dog worse than eating a pig besides our subjective morals
I personally can't stand people eating dogs and cats, but that's totally biased and based on nothing besides muh feels
Because your culture says dog eating = bad/gross
And just because morals don't exist objectively doesn't mean you can't judge
You may be a tiny bit racist.
>not wanting to try dog
>not wanting to try cat
Plebs.
Chink here
Nothing wrong with hating those dog eating shits here
Even some of us find the act of eating dog appalling, maybe if they were starving it'll be fine but this is bleh
Not even my parents who was alive during the great leap forward ate dog though
>>1280069
Actually I wouldn't mind trying either.
I'm not sure if I'm put off at the mass slaughter of unhappy looking dogs, how 'inhumane' it seems, or if I'm just a sheepish hypocrite.
>>1280055
>>1280062
Can I righteously stand by my feels? Being a hypocrite, doesn't make me wrong I know, but if I wasn't being a hypocrite I'd feel better about it.
>>1280128
>I'm not sure if I'm put off at the mass slaughter of unhappy looking dogs, how 'inhumane' it seems, or if I'm just a sheepish hypocrite.
You are a sheepish hypocrite. Literally every piece of meat has had it's animal consumed in droves - outside of a once a year festival.
>>1280069
>racist
literally how
>Share on social media "inhumane" killing process of animals meant for food
>Ignore all the horrible shit we do to animals we eat
CHINKS ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE!1!1!
>>1280159
Nobody ignores the fact that factory farmed food is treated with less than ideal care.
Please take your persecution complex to /int/.
>>1280086
Isn't there like a divide in Dog-Eating in Chinkdom?
I heard Dog Eating is generally a Southern Chinese thing while it is barely done in the North.
I mean it sort of makes sense, since in bits of Southeast Asia near China like Vietnam, those Taiwanese borigines, the Hmong, and Tribes in the Philippines, Dog eating is a thing.
>>1280421
It's also a thing in South Korea.
>>1280421
Nah, they do it in the North as well.
Sauce: I've read what consists of livestock in Imperial Chinese
What is different is this: in Northern China and South Korea there is a specific breed of dog that is made livestock, one that fattens up easily (pictured, forgot the Chinese name, but in Korea its known as a Nuryeongi).
You won't fucking eat a Chow Chow or a Shih Tzu since they are pet dogs, the same way you'd eat Salmon but not a fucking Koi.
>>1280042
It's normal, you're used to some things, not used to others
You don't even need to look as far as China to rub up against it.
Just look at all these butthurt faggots in the comments upset by the all-American tradition of skinning and butchering rabbits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpDmHG_8pwE
>>1280143
Asians eat dogs.
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>>1280042
I've got a better subject to discuss. Do you think eating horses is ok?
>>1280128
>Can I righteously stand by my feels? Being a hypocrite, doesn't make me wrong I know, but if I wasn't being a hypocrite I'd feel better about it.
Personal taste isn't a problem, until you start trying to force it on others.
No one's making you eat dogs, or have gay sex.
I've become vegetarian after watching a few documentaries about animals, specifically the conditions they are put in to produce meat and leather. You are somewhat hypocritical, but we all are in some ways. It's good to be asking questions as many don't
Because dogs are humanity's friend, anon. Why would you want to eat your friend?
>>1280421
To clarify, Southern in this case is really just Cantonese and various ethnic groups on the border with Vietnam. Northeastern Chinese (those in former Manchuria) also consume dog which isn't surprising given its close proximity to Korea.
In China, eating dog is pretty much abandoned now except for those aforementioned places and people on Chinese social media always make a big stink about the Yulin festival.
>>1280042
Dogs have either evolved alongside humans or been breed on purpose for ten thousands of years, for security, hunting, or companionship. Kind of dumb to eat such a useful animals when there are different domesticated animals bred for specifically such a purpose.
>>1281270
There is at least one breed of dog that was selected over many generations to be good eatin', tho.
>>1280935
Everyone who gets bitchy over eating any kind of non-venomous animal is a pussy. Even questioning if it's ok or not is silly. There's nothing wrong in holding to token taboos of your specific culture if you fell like it, it's trying to rationalize it like OP that makes you an undesirable individual. Either you go vegan or you can't complain about muh dog eating.
Horse salami is great btw.
>When you come to think on it, eating another animal is pretty horrible
>When you come to think on it, mechanised meat production is pretty horrible
>When you come to think on it, walking round a supermarket meat isle, with all the meat vacuum packed is pretty horrific
I sometimes picture humans being put in the process and wonder if I'd notice the difference from the cuts in the shelves.
Thankfully I then have a Bacon Sandwich and forget about how weird humans are
>>1281280
That doesn't undo millennia of selective breeding or mutual evolution.
Dogs are companion animals, and have been for thousands of years.
Also Yulin festival is different because of the way the animals are killed.
Atleast with cows, pigs, etc they are killed relatively humanely while the dogs in Yulin are skinned and boiled alive.
Seriously fuck the mainland chinks, bunch of uncivilized cunts
>>1281288
This is like blasting Americans for eating grits or owning rocket launchers. Only a tiny minority actually does those things and most Chinese are opposed to the consumption of dog.
>>1281287
Domestication wasn't that big a thing, in the big scheme of natural history. It can be undone easily too. Dogs set free in Australia gave way to dingoes, which offer no more companionship than common wolves.
>>1281296
I'm pretty sure dingoes were set free thousands of years ago by the original invaders of the continent.
>>1281300
4000. A blink in natural history.
>>1280935
I've eaten horse on top of bread almost every day. It's good.
Whale steak is my favorite BBQ.
Is it really that taboo to eat horse or whale?
You're overthinking this way too much.
Types of mammals we eat daily
>herbivores
Types of mammals we eat in emergency
>carnivores
Everything else is fair game.
>>1281309
I don't know, I genuinely felt astonished when I saw how Americans felt eating horses was disgusting in one 4chan thread several years ago. I mean, I'm not a fan of horse meat by any meant but I've never thought it was seen as wrong.
>>1281305
But a massive span of time in human history.
Besides that, even feral dingoes still resemble the domesticated dog, which tells you something about the impact domestication had.
I am a vegan.
You can not deny that animals are living beings that are able to conceive feelings. There is just no point to eating them when there are so many alternatives.
I can understand if you are some Inuit living where the only source of food is Seal meat. I can understand that, they have no choice, but we do. We have the choice. We as westerners (and some of you are easterners, you have the choice too.) have the choice to eat things that don't contain animal products. Next time you walk in the grocery store, compare the prices of vegetables to meat. There is just no point, just drop meat. You have a choice, the animals do not.
>>1281402
Why should i care? It's the law of nature. Choice? What does that matter. I enjoy meat.
Because every cat and every dog you see was meant for being loved as a pet and every pig and every cow was meant for being eaten or used for food.
Feeling like that is stupid and you should catch yourself when you notice it.
Tell me something, are you OK with the concept of someone having a pig in their house as a pet?
>>1281425
My friend has an awesome pet pig.
>>1281402
Vegetables are also living being that able to conceive feelings too, though. Why are vegans so hypocritical.
>>1281425
>are you OK with the concept of someone having a pig in their house as a pet?
Absolutely yes, why the fuck shouldn't i be? People are free to have any pets they want so long as its not endangered animals
>>1281433
I didn't ask you for a reflected and thought out answer. I asked you for a knee-jerk emotional response which is what you're doing in the case of eating dogs.
>>1281432
There is no proof of vegetables being able to conceive feeling.
I don't hear screaming when I mow my lawn, do you?
The only consistent and logical positions you can take on animals as a rich westerner are veganism or essentially not giving a fuck about any animal.
>>1281544
This is where imperalism comes into it - foreign cultures are denied their rights to tradition - while we zealously preserve ours, even though they are equally as cruel. This is the main reason I can't stand "animal rights activists" - they are trying to westernise the world with their shitty ideals.
>>1281564
Well yeah, but it's not change that is necessarily bad - it's that their concept of change is bigoted and founded on principles and ideas very specific to their culture and time period - and they want to export these to all people - regardless of development, culture etc.
Though I can see your point about other activists
Eating meat eaters is gross in general
>>1281643
I'm more speaking about these vicious attacks on things like whale hunting, shark fin soup, ivory hunting etc. while our institutions - far more cruel and exploitative in nature - don't attract nearly as much attention or criticism.
I'm aware that there are some vegan activists who completely oppose all animal suffering - and I don't have any issue with them - but I would say that that doesn't apply to the majority of people who support animal rights.
>>1281442
I don't hear fish screaming either when I catch them, do you?
Dog is a shit-tier meat compared to pig, though. Outside of a survival situation, there is no reason to eat it other than being an asshole.
>>1280042
Because cats and dogs are companions, pets, domesticated predators, they are designed by us humans to not be used as a food source that makes using them as such repulsing
The overuse of antibiotics in the food industry will push us into a post-antibiotic age.
>>1281425
Pigs are awesome pets and I want one
>>1281442
What do you think the smell of cut grass literally is?
>>1280042
Humanity made canines their companions thousands of years ago. While pigs, cattle, etc were always used for food, dogs have been at our side as servants and friends since time immemorial.
It's outright betrayal to use our closest ally in the animal kingdom as food.
>>1286024
That implies people used dogs the same way as Prehistoric Europeans did.
Meanwhile in China you can't point out the moment where they started eating dogs. Its prehistoric as fuck for them.
>It's outright betrayal to use our closest ally in the animal kingdom as food.
Jesus the emotion in that statement.
>>1281425
pigs are incredibly intelligent. they were taught to play video games.
pigs also realize when their friends have been killed, and see their own death coming. They are too smart to eat. cows and chickens are retarded. so they're ok to eat.
I think the specific outrage about dog consumption in western culture comes from how integrated they are into our society. We have dogs to do all manner of things from guarding our homes/livestock to escorting blind and retarded people. It's like eating a butler or a maid.
>>1286050
That's just it. It's a cultural thing. I wouldn't -like- to see a pig suffer, but people have done me the good of dehumanizing them to the point that they're just bacon to me in all senses when they reach my plate.
Why do we have this question so often? To grill weenies who are uncomfortable, or haven't put enough thought into it?
>>1281292
where in the US do people not eat grits?
Okay can I get one of the vegans here to explain something to me
How do you justify the fact that life always consumes other life? There are very few exceptions to this rule like extremophile bacteria that get all their nutrition from sulfuric vents at the bottom of the ocean. Its a law of the nature world - life eats life. Why is this necessarily a "problem" that you try to "answer" through veganism?
>>1280128
I'm not going to berate you for feeling upset at the thought of people eating dogs and cats, but if you're actually morally judging people for eating them rather than other animals, even if you keep it to yourself, then you're a hypocritical self-righteous cunt.
>>1287706
I'm not a vegan but just because something is an integral part of nature doesn't mean we shouldn't try to avoid it.
The taking of violent and cruel actions against other people is an inescapable facet of human existence but it's something people generally agree should be minimised, or something that we should try and ensure only happens to people who "deserve" it, for example.
I figure what you might've meant is actually just that the violent deaths of many animals is not really something you can realistically prevent, so they may as well die (possibly more humanely) to humans rather than to other animals, though, in which case yeah that's the best moral argument I have against Veganism too.
>>1287706
Many vegans are vegan for environmental or health reasons, not obsession over animal "rights."
>>1287706
Do you use the same argument against Islamic terrorism?
>>1287706
Two memes awnser this question:
>We're superior and better to the rest of nature.
>Cow farts.
>>1287706
I only care about sensible life. I'd eat a vegetative human for the sake of recycling.
>>1281309
It's uncommon, allowing horse loving women to get shocked when they discover that doesn't mean it's not eaten.
>>1281425
Yes.
>>1281402
Unless you get your vegetables from local organic farms that keeps the use of tractors minimal, you can't be serious.
>>1288393
>then you're a hypocritical self-righteous cunt
I accept all of that. I just want to be morally correct too.
>>1281405
>law of nature
>>1288510
Not who you're responding to, but organic farms have significantly lower yields, and in this sense, they actually waste more resources and kill more animals.
>>1287706
Preserving life doesn't matter, preventing suffering matters. That being said, I think we should seriously consider whether destroying all life is the right thing to do. I think AI will be better able to continue the struggle of intelligence (if even if that is necessary). Destroying the entire universe is worth considering when we have the ability.
>>1280935
I think I'd probably be the cause of those weird religious rules on eating you find nowadays if I was a priest way back when. If it's got hooves, it's good to eat. I have no real reason.
there's so much anti gmo propaganda nowadays, seems so hard to make decent advances
>>1281402
Those animals you love so much wouldn't even be alive in the first place if it wasn't for the meat industry. Checkmate
>>1280062
Pigs have been bred for food for hundreds of years, dogs are bred for companionships and work. The gooks will eat anything.
>>1291373
>Pigs have been bred for food for hundreds of years, dogs are bred for companionships and work
So if I started breeding dogs for food it would be perfectly acceptable to eat them?
>>1291384
50 years from now, probably.
>>1283935
Is this true?
>>1280673
Am I antisemitic for not wanting the tip of my dick chopped off?
>>1280042
Yes. No you do not.
And it's not cultural relativism. It's just you being hypocritical.
A dog is dumber than pigs and cows.
>>1291373
Yullin dogs mostly look the same (like a small yellow labrador) for a reason anon.
>>1290606
There's no such thing as moral correctness when it comes to eating animals less self-aware than pigs.
>>1280165
>Nobody ignores the fact that factory farmed food is treated with less than ideal care.
Uhhh anon...
>>1281130
>Because dogs are humanity's friend, anon
Friends can be food.
>>1281287
Yes it does anon.
How do you think breeds develop? They don't take 50,000 years. The newest breeds take about 4 generations of dog nowadays.
>>1281288
Nigga what?
You should see how we kill pigs here in South Texas.
When they get infected en masse, we bury them all alive in a big hole.
You would never forget the sound of that squealing.
>>1292125
What?
>>1282560
t. Anon that has never tasted adrenaline
>>1292148
There are millions of people who do exactly what you said does not happen.
You think Mohamadou in Senegal is worrying about that?
>>1292156
I'm talking about the west, where being nice to your food has never been more popular.
Obviously some third world shithole isn;t going to care whether their food was free range and fed with organic grass.
>>1288510
Organic farmers amaze me, purposely making less money. Ironically they burn more fuel thanks to them not being able to use zero till techniques and degrading the topsoil.
>>1290996
My point is this. You can't seriously call yourself vegan if (and I'm making extremely broad assumptions here) you cut out factory farmed meat for factory-farm corn/soy/wheat/staple grain of your choice. Hell, most factory farms that grow grains or vegetables are most likely to have used some sort of chemical pesticides or abused animals to some extent (colony collapse disease/disorder is a big example of what I'm referring to) or worse, use Monsato stock. And I have not even touched on the massive deforestation.
If you're vegan because muh factory farms, then it stands to that line of reasoning to reject ANYTHING that came from a factory farm. That includes factory farmed SOY, BEANS, TOMATOES, ALMONDS, WHEAT, CORN, and whatever crops you can name.
>>1280042
wait a second, u don't eat dog??
Why ear meat in general?
I only eat fish once a week and I'm totally healthy
>>1280042
>Am I a hypocrite?
Yes. Meat is objectively cruel.
>>1281247
>I would like some moral justification
>Without acting according to my morals
Sorry friend, but it soinds like you already know what to do.
>>1294043
I hate fish, just can't stand the taste and smell.
>>1294043
I only eat meat everyday and I'm totally healthy.
>>1294058
Become vegan? Dammit.
It's summer BBQ season here though.
>>1280935
I've heard horse was to France what beef was to England, because there was so much f it, they really just didn't know what to do with it, because there were only so many knights you could have before the title became meaningless, and you can't have them all for riding.
>>1292076
Essentially, yes.
>>1281288
Haha.
>Thinks cows and pigs are killed humanly
I mean I have no problem eating a burger or bacon, but at least I know those animals suffered.
>>1286050
>>1286126
>actually arguing for the foreverial delitized dog
>>1280042
humans have raised and taken care of cats and dogs for thousands of years, in some way they are part of us, just as we are part of them and the thought of losing that part of our companions hurts us.
cows, pigs, etc. have been breed for eating, so you aren't preset to feel anything for those when they're suppose to be eaten.
>>1296892
Pigs are more intelligent than dogs and can make companions too.
>>1280042
Your an animal. OP, do you think I could ethically eat you?
>>1287706
>thinking all life forms are equal
dogs are more intelligent and thus may posess the capacity to suffer more.
either way if you want to be less arbitrary in your actions, ideally you would want to move in the direction of cutting down the number of sentient creatures you bring suffering upon rather than adopting equal-opportunity suffering.
>>1297405
Get in the pot.
>>1280042
>Am I a hypocrite?
Yes. Yes you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
