Right wingers always fail
South
Nazis
Rhodesians
Italy
Etc..
Always get rekt in wars because it has retarded ideologies
No wonder modern "nazis" pol retards are edgy teens and autists mamchildren/uneducated white trash (like tha main follower base of trumpie)
Rage all you want history shows that im right
What about Spain and Chile? Right wing governments took control there after a period of conflict. Also didn't Italy experience a sort of Fascist revival after WW2 when groups with Fascist ties were supported by the U.S. government to deal with commies there.
>>1279659
Fuck anybody who somehow has a skull thick enough to insulate the idea that policy across the spectrum is not conditionally effective.
Explain how america is number 1 then?
I don't know whether it will be surprising to you, but the majority of non americans think that america is the most right wing country in the world and have so for at least a half a decade.
The Islamic Revolution and and the Soviet-Afhan war saw right wing politics triumph over liberalism and communism respectively.
>>1279690
Nice jokes but no
The reactionaries won the French Revolutionary/Napoleonic Wars.
It was kind of a pyrrhic victory but still.
>>1279697
Explain
>>1279688
Is america fascist or natsoc? Does it have rampant racism in the political system? Usa and nazis etc are not on the same level
>>1279647
>South
The North was right wing too
>Nazi's
Fair point
>Rhodesia
Overwhelming odds, but fair point
>Italy
Continued to be ruled by a right wing party for a long time, almost exclusively by the CHRISTIAN DEMOCRACY party, also minding the fact Fascism did not really get destroyed.
>>1279709
Rhodesia did turn into shit once it became Zimbabwe.
The problem is that the right-wing fail, but when the left wins, they still hold some power and prevent the left from enacting all their plans. That happened in the South where the Ku Klux Klan ended the Reconstruction, it happened in Germany and Italy where the old conservative establishment was allowed to return to the government under the Allied occupied authorities as a way to counter Soviet influence, etc
That's bad because major fuckups like Zimbabwe and Venezuela, where the left are allowed to do everything they want and fuck up big time is the best way to discredit the left and achieve victory.
That's why as an anti-communist I will vote for Hillary Clinton in November.
>>1279747
So you essentially want everything to remain in a perpetual standoff between the left and the right with the left having the edge but not total control because then it fucks up and becomes to powerful for its own good.
>>1279747
I wish trump will win because he would end the american world policing power which already got weaker under obongo (chine at the sea, russian infulence, ukraine etc)
It always fails because it's rooted in logic and nationalism, whereas liberalism is rooted in emotion and unilateralism
Smhtbhimo
>>1279707
>Is america fascist or natsoc
>Intimate relationship with corporations and the government to the the point where in some levels they're virtually indistinguishable
Check
>Does it have rampant racism in the political system
>Yes
Check
>Usa and nazis etc are not on the same level
You're right they're not, the Nazis were never as bad as the US. Despite all the racism in their political ideology they were relatively tame compared to the Americans, as the latter the racism occurred on a social level.
>>1279774
fascism, does not mean what you think it means
>the nazis were never as bad as the US
shut th efuck up
>>1279777
Read a fucking book faggot or at least do a simple wikipedia search before you start pulling shit out of your ass.
>tfw in all likelihood there will be a major communist revolution in your lifetime.
>>1279762
>>1279747
I'm very particularly concerned with the American-Korean-Japanese alliance (because I'm moving to Korea soon) and despite the fact I'm generally conservative and extremely anti-communist (born in Venezuela, came over when I was 6 so I despise what they've done with the place) I'm also voting for Hillary because I want a warmonger who will actually oppose China and North Korea and keep our bases in the region, while Trump has been literally endorsed by north Korea.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-idUSKCN0YN35S
>starting an argument with ad hominem
>>1279647
Yea, and the Soviets did so much better
>>1279647
Oh look it's the local autistic commietard that's so obsessed with /pol/ that you can pinpoint his posts with his terrible English and autistic filenames.
>>1279774
>You're right they're not, the Nazis were never as bad as the US. Despite all the racism in their political ideology they were relatively tame compared to the Americans, as the latter the racism occurred on a social level.
Or at least that would be true, were it not for that whole holocaust thing and the whole starting the single most destructive conflict in all of recorded history.
>>1279999
Ops reasoning
>politiks=warfare
>hurr durr i'm a faggot
>>1279989
>Or at least that would be true, were it not for that whole holocaust thing and the whole starting the single most destructive conflict in all of recorded history.
WWII would have happened one way or another, it was inevitable and all the political minds of the era knew this.
As for the holocaust, virtually every country had their pogroms and genocides but the Nazis are particularly vilified because they targeted the ones who ran the media in the West, the Jews.
Despite this they were very progressive socially due to the influence of fascist ideology which relaxed Nazi views on racial superiority and enforcement of traditional gender roles.
>>1279747
>That's why as an anti-communist I will vote for Hillary Clinton in November.
Hillary is a capitalist, just like her husband 'Ol Bill. TPP was in part created by her. Trump wants to pull military out of South Korea. He was endorsed by the North.
>>1279762
>Obama pivot to Asia
>weakening policing power
lol
>>1280040
>WWII was inevitable
Have you ever taken a history class? Step 0 is to not assume that history was inevitable. If you take the premise that Germany doesn't invade, it's a major stretch to assume it'll happen anyway.
>media in the West, the Jews
Oh oops. --> /pol/
>>1279982
>anyone who doesn't conform to my absurd love for right wing failures in history is just that one communist on /his/
Not even OP but /his/ is a left wing board kiddo. Get used to it or get out ;^)
>>1279647
Yes, but communism totally works
Right?
>>1280041
Karl Marx himself said that before the communist revolution, there should be the most possible advancement of capitalist relations. That's the purpose of laissez-faire economic policies, to increase inequality so that poor people will support communism again.
Milton Friedman was the most influential communist activist of the 20th century because he understood this.
>>1280060
>Left wing
Pls suck some more Muslim dicks.
If you would understand what happened in history, you would be a konservative.
>>1280075
oh, so even though regulated capitalism is doing okay, it's still leading to towards communism.
Why couldn't I see that before?
>>1280082
>If you interpreted history like I did to fit my black and white right wing ideology you would be a conservative
Ftfy
>>1280049
>Have you ever taken a history class? Step 0 is to not assume that history was inevitable. If you take the premise that Germany doesn't invade, it's a major stretch to assume it'll happen anyway.
Do you even understand the context of WWII and why it occurred? Otherwise you wouldn't disagree with the statement.
>Oh oops. --> /pol/
>Implying Jews don't heavily influence media
Despite the deflecting bullshit that's been fed to the public over the years this is ultimately true.
> right doesn't work because nazis!
> left doesn't work because Soviets!
It's not about left or right not working. It's about extremist ideologies not working.
>>1279762
>I wish trump will win
>obongo
Opinion discarded, cut the meme crap, learn to use proper grammar, and then people might take you seriously.
>>1279647
Islam is the most powerful religion in the world, and the most right wing religion in the world.
When we started up this shit board and they told us /pol/posting was going to kill it, I didn't expect it to be this part of /pol/
Fuck you all
>>1280082
>getting triggered
Move along stormfag, back to your safe space.
>>1280220
Libertarians left and right always seem to win.
Authoritarian right and authoritarian left sides always loose.
>>1279647
>No wonder modern "nazis" pol retards are edgy teens and autists mamchildren/uneducated white trash (like tha main follower base of trumpie)
>talking about /pol/ on /his/
yeah nah, you're a shitcunt
>>1280242
Libertarian ideology is just an extremist version of liberal ideas and is also completely stupid as it is basically just anarchism mixed with extreme capitalism.
>>1279659
Calling Spain and Chile successful states.
>>1280280
Chile had a thriving transportation industry
>>1280267
Libertarianism!= Anarchocapitalism thank you
It's minarchist
>>1280040
>be black American
>be forced to wear watermelon badge on chest for identification
>be blamed for Great Depression
>be rounded up and shipped to labor camp
>get fed shit food and forced to perform back-breaking labor
>get shot by KKK guards
>have body dumped in a mass grave
>have all of your money stolen by FDR
>repeat several thousand times until there are almost no blacks left
Oh wait that didn't happen because America was not as bad as Nazi Germany.
>>1279856
10/1 it's a fascist revolution desu
>>1280539
Not mutually exclusive.
As a matter of fact a fascist revolution just makes a communist revolution more likely.
>>1280280
Are you dumb or something?
>>1280556
Spain is pretty shit tier by western-European standards and would be infinitely better off had Franco never chimped out to begin with.
Chile on the other hand is just a shithole.
>>1280561
Lets not forget that Pinochet shat his pants when a judge called him.
>>1280561
Spain is the 5th european economy, and its one of the most influential ones.
What is more, Spain is in a economic crisis, and even with that, is one of the countries with more % of economic growing in Europe, having a 20% of unemployed.
And they were practically isolated until 1975.
Chile is the best southamerican country to live, and if I remember well, the only considered developed by international standards
>>1280561
At least I recognise that Franco was a retard and the II Republic should have won the war.
>>1280580
Spain's far from poor. But relative to the rest of the countries in the region (bar Portugal) it's doing pretty shit.
Not to mention the fact it was isolated is literally all Franco's fault.
>Chile is the best southamerican country to live, and if I remember well, the only considered developed by international standards
Both Chile and Argentina rank highly in terms of HDI. And in terms of quality of life it is outranked by both Argentina and Uruguay. Uruguay also has much lower poverty than Chile.
In terms of being a nice place to live Chile is sub-par compared to the rest of the region.
>>1279647
Sick b8 dood
>>1280580
>What is more, Spain is in a economic crisis, and even with that, is one of the countries with more % of economic growing in Europ
Of course, it fall more than others.
>>1279666
this
>>1279647
>if it's not racist or fascist then it's not right wing
>>1279982
pol fag is triggered, sorry for invading your safe space, go cry on your contaiment board
>>1280082
Boohoo mooslims are destroying the world white genocide jews and etcetc
This board is full of SJW antifas or what ? Is it a response to /pol/ ?
Here's a shocking fact for you OP, nobody wins forever.
In 500 years time some retard on a meme site will be making a thread about how "leftists" alwasy fail and point to the collapse of the West under its "progressive" era of thinking.
>>1280816
/leftypol/ is basically just migrating to /his/ since it's somewhat related to politics and the mods tend to ban threads that are too politically incorrect. That's why whenever there's a three about Fascism it's garuntee dot get over a 100 posts.
>>1280820
Leftards are already failing.
>>1280822
Oh great, now beta leftards will ruin this funny board...
Fuck politics, it's a board about fucking history
>>1280816
The whole of 4chan is responding to the /pol/ boogeyman by acting sjw now. They've even started to rewrite 4chan's history to make it seem like it was "originally a liberal PC website."
Literally saw someone the other day claim that old /b/ used to be liberal and only raided in the name of social justice I shit you not.
>>1279659
Spain was not fascist, Franco suppressed the revolutionary policy of the Falange.
Chile was a military dictatorship deticated to Neoliberalism
>>1280832
Don't have to be fascist to be right wing.
>>1279747
>klu klux klan ended reconstruction
You mean the election of Rutherford B Hayes?
>>1279647
Israel is BTFO Palestina and every muslim country. Rhodesia had 1:20 D:K ratio,and the axis where heavily outnumbered,like the South
>>1279747
The left plans bring catastrofic results. We just have an awesome experiment to prove it.
>Inb4 muh specific brand of socialism has never been tried
>>1279774
Fascism is the belief that the highest form of politics is the state and that everything must be subordinated to the state and nation, which is described as being "organic" in nature. It demands that individuals must do whatever it takes to ensure that the state lives on and thrives, up to and including the loss of their own individual identities. The only room for the individual in the fascist state is for the leader, who is supposed to be like a platonic "philosopher king," with absolute power. It is, in short, a very nationalistic and collectivistic ideology.
So, lets review your premises with that in mind.
>Intimate relationship between corporations and the government
Close, but not quite. You are confusing a mixed economy with the very intense state capitalism embraced by fascism. While the state in fascism is absolute with little room for individual freedom and actions, individual profit is tolerated if it is done to the benefit of the state and will be cracked down on if any corporate entity gains enough power to challenge it; it is an unequal relationship with which the private interests go along with out of self preservation.
In the United States, with a mixed economy, you may find similar elements with state capitalism, that is the state directing and working with private interest for the "common good," but the whole "rule of law" concept you may have heard about places limits on it, and while some may want, and are working towards, closer actions and entanglement between the public and private fields of industry, there are others that are working against them due to having an open society, something that fascism, by design, lacks.
cont.
>>1279647
Looks like the horse shoe theory is playing out in front of our eyes ITT
Right wingers are getting trolled by lefties, and are acting like a pack of SJWs.
What a surprise.
>>1279647
Extremists always fail, no matter if right or left wing, in the end only moderate gouvernments work out and dont fuck up the country
>>1280561
>and would be infinitely better off had Franco never chimped out to begin with.
Yeah,Stalin's puppets would have done such a great job,like they did in Poland
>>1281021
Part Two
>Rampant racism in the political system
Normally I would dismiss this as a tumblr level hysteria but I will address it. Broadly speaking there are two types of fascism, which I will refer to as Germanic Fascism (NAZI party, Hungary) and Mediterranean Fascism (Italy, Spain, United Kingdom). Were there to be a political left-right spectrum with nothing but brands of fascism on it, Mediterranean Fascism will be towards the left and Germanic towards the right. One of the key differences is the attitude towards race. Mussolini, while later adopting the Germanic stance to placate Hitler, saw the Germanic view that race is a concrete thing that is to be preserved as something very ridiculous and stupid. He saw race as something more of a feeling that one has and identify with as opposed to it "being in the blood." Indeed, there were Jews, for example, in key posts in the Italian Fascist Government. So, even if we accept the belief that you set forth that the United States government is racist, we cannot accept the conclusion that results in fascism due to the Mediterranean-Germanic split within the ideology.
>Usa and nazis etc are not on the same level
Your assertion is so ridiculous it is beneath my contempt.
>>1279647
Thanks anon, this has great potential as copypasta
>>1281032
Franco should have resigned the real growth was after he was gone and the isolation ended
>>1281016
>"muh specific brand of socialism has never been tried"
You know why I really hate that argument? Because corruption, and the consequential deviance from what socialism really is, is THE BIGGEST FLAW of socialism.
If socialism worked flawlessly in practice, it would be a pretty solid 8/10 platform for a nation. However, giving way too much power to a centralized clique always ends up with corruption.
Corruption is the biggest flaw of socialism, and the "true socialism/communism was never tried" argument is ironic to its core.
>>1281056
The real growth came when EU money flood the country. Dont try to fool anyone. The same is happening with Poland.
>>1279647
>implying lib countries don't come together to fuck over any right wing country
>>1281063
and that is bad why?
>>1281061
In addition, I concede that capitalistic/democratic nations become corrupt too, but it takes much longer to rot (multiple generations), while a socialist nation could become a totalitarian regime within a few years.
Correct me if I'm wrong
>>1281070
Because:
A)The Eu destriyed the local industry for free bucks,and Spain big chunk of its industrial model,creating an average unemployment rate if 17%.(pic related)
B) It is something that has nothing to do with Franco. Even if Spain was a democracy (which it wouldn't have happened if republicans won the war), the EU,wasn't a thing until much later. The growth post Franco was just a fake bubble sustained by Germany. It has nothing to do with the incompetence of a leader.
>>1281079
If investors would have come to spain like they did to germany or france it would have a way more advanced industry
>>1281083
Investors came into Spain. Pls stop mumbling about things you dont know about. Most of the industries founded in Spain,that are still open, were created in the 60's.
>>1281091
sorry forgot I talked to a professor of spanish economics
>>1281032
Great argument boy!
>>1279647
>edgy teens and autists mamchildren/uneducated white trash
Ok, so leftists hate people with mental disorders, the uneducated and the poor.
Good thing you guys aren't like the Nazis or anything.
Portugal was a fascist state and had it's most successful tenure in history as a fascist state, especially economically.
>national socialism
>right wing
that is factually wrong
"right wing" governments are okay for rapid economic development but they do not have sustainable ideologies. There are some inherent beneficial cultural values in conservatism if you want to get shit done in a way that can also inhibit innovation.
>>1281101
>being leftists mean you have to love everybody
Nice one autismo
>>1279647
U.S.A versus U.S.S.R.
The leftist empire collapsed, the right wing one went on to global dominance.
>>1281101
...and white
>>1280526
>be black American
>Treated like second class citizens
>Government doesn't give a shit about you
>Communities subject to frequent pogroms
>Lynchings by white people considered a favored pastime
>Used as unwilling guinea pigs in medical experiments and test subjects for military weapons
>Exist in society with a rigid class system that deprives you of rights that your environment has an absence of hope and self-determination creating a permanent underclass
Yeah America is just as bad. In democracies the tyranny of the mob attacks the spirit whereas in autocracies the rulers attack the body but the spirit remains unharmed and rises above it. A man lives in a democracy but he lives a life far worst than death.
>But muh six millon jews
Get the fuck out of here
>>1281262
>>1279688
America is an inherently liberal country. Which is different from a progressive country
>>1279647
quality way to start a thread OP
whats the matter, your shitposting didn't fly on /pol/?
>>1281032
The USSR was not particularly influential in Spain until the republic became desperate for outside help after Franco's coup.
>>1281073
Why is feudalism in that cage?
>>1279647
It took some political doing to cause the fall of Rhodesia. Militarily, they had the upper hand in their conflict.
>>1279774
This
>>1280620
The political center is liberalism, the ideology not American political position. Hence anything to the right of it is illiberal, so fascist or monarchist etc.
>>1281021
>>1281043
You gave a textbook definition of fascism based on Italy and Germany but fail to grasp the details and realities of the system. The rigid collectivist application would never work in America due to the continental size of the country and a heterogeneous population, instead what you have is far worst. Instead of a singular ruler you have a collection of princes and petty tyrants, exactly what de Tocqueville warned about.
The rise of corporatism in America is the rise of fascism because that is fascism: the merger of state and corporate power. That's the definition given by Giovanni Gentile. You ignore how the American military was often used to enforce the interests of corporations first with the use of the US Cavalry as the arm of the railroad corporations to the use of the US Marines to enforce the interest of the United Fruits Company in Latin America, something that Smedley Butler would regret and bemoan. After WWII the rise of the military industrial complex further strengthened the bond between corporations and the government, the latter over the decades would pass laws and legislation under the guise of protecting workers and consumers which would ultimately kill competition on the bare minimum level and solidify existing large enterprises.
>Normally I would dismiss this as a tumblr level hysteria but I will address it...
If we accept the Nazi example then rampant racism would be an aspect of fascism but if we accept the Italian and philosophical idea of fascism then no racism would not be an aspect of fascism but since that anon was obviously referring to the former I had to address it
>South
Agressively invaded by an outside leftist power. It prospered before the invasion and steadily declined after it was "liberated".
>Nazis
Agressively invaded by an outside leftist power. It prospered before the invasion and steadily declined after it was "liberated".
>Rhodesians
The most prosperous state in the whole of Apefreaka after apartheid South Africa. Biggest importer of tobacco in the world under white rule. Then niggers chimped out, genocided whites and took over their farms. Now the former Rhodesia is the biggest receiver of UN development aid on the planet with famines and poverty running rampant.
>Italy
An efficient and clean state until the allies decided to show up and "liberate" it by bombing world heritage sites such as the monte cassino monatery on purpose.
So yeah, in conclusion it looks like you're mentally retarded and can't tell apart cause from reaction. Because otherwise you'd see that all of these examples were going great until an aggresive outside force alligned with zionist interests destroyed it all.
Tldr OP is a special needs faggot and needs to fuck off back to tumbleddit
>>1284057
Lol all those counties where failed states that wouldn't have survived anyways, You nazies fetishize your failure even more that the comies do, also fuck off back to pol faggot your revisionism is not wanted here.
>>1284071
>>1284071
>That spelling
>That projection
>That ignorance
>That adhom
See >>1281136, also kill yourself and fuck off back to tumbleddit faggot your anti-white bias is not wanted here.
>>1279747
>tfw there literally is no visible right in Venezuela and the ""opposition""" is full of socialists
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>1284085
Da JOOZ and Da BLAcks are coming to take da white race away. Cuz "white genocide" is obvious not nazi version of the sjw patriarchy. GO Back to your fucking /pol/ Eco chamber. It not our fault that your mother is being fucking by a black man, you fucking degenerate.
If your only "accomplishment" in life is being white you should probably kill yourself cuz your tainting own the bloodline with your degeneracy.
>>1279647
You post this in /k, and /pol. Fuck off
>all left and right wing governments have failed
>left and right attack and blame each other
>don't realize that it's their mutual enemy, the globalist neoliberal elites, keeping them both down and pitting them against each other
The left and right must unite now if we are to survive
>>1279647
>all right wingers are fascists/reactionaries
>being this underage
>>1284102
>all that projecting
:^)
>>1281016
North Korea practices race-based hyper-nationalism and leader-worship with an eternally militarized society under a command economy. They're National Socialists (Strasserists, to be most accurate), a far-right state with a far-left aesthetic.
>>1284152
not an argument either
>>1284114
The left and right are just two flavors of the same type of shit.
>>1279707
Fascist and National Socialist aren't the only right wing ideologies
>>1280060
Shit bait.
>>1287774
>>1280082
Besides /lgbt/, /lit/ and maybe /mlp/, /his/ is more open to left wing beliefs than most of the rest of the site by a large margin. Except communism, because commies are to the left as stormfags are to the right; a fringe element and a source of perpetual embarrassment to those who aren't just edgy retards and actually want to solve society's problems.
usa is pretty right-wing, at least compared to yurop today and is argueably the most powerful country that has ever existed
>>1280777
But you're the one obsessed with /pol/
>>1288293
The most powerful country will always be relatively right wing because "the right" is chiefly based on the ideology and practices of those in power.
In 1776 the USA would have been left wing as fuck.
>>1287996
>Except communism
/his/ is quite possibly the most communist board on the entire site.
>>1279856
your lazy NEET ass would be the first to go to the gulags
>>1288607
To be NEET is the only way to effectively resist the capitalist system.
>>1284105
Manchild go back to pol and k to fap over trump
>>1288582
I see you're making use of propaganda.
Good historical exercise, just keep repeating it and see what happens.
To the fag who made the leftist version sfter he gott butthurt from my beautiful thread
>>1279647
>shows that im right
No, you're a leftist.
>>1280544
You've got that backwards. Fascism is a reaction by normally moderate people against encroaching left-wing extremism.
>>1282342
Because capitalists came to power in the west by violently ending late-stage feudalism.
>>1279647
Some degree of right is essential. If it's extreme then it can never turn out good
Applies to left too although we never witnessed extreme left in charge because they'd refuse power to govern
Of course it does, but reactionaries do not enjoy facts, they enjoy fantasies that allow themselves to feel superior.
>>1291765
Which then radicalises other normally moderate people who weren't swayed by fascism into being communists. Especially demographics that fascists don't like.
>>1282334
And if the republic won the war,they would have been Wtalin's puppets. On top of that PSOE,was threatening to start a revolution ,they tried it before in 1937, if the left party didnt stay in power forever. The republic was shit,ruled by psycopaths.
>>1279647
>Rhodesia
>Rekt in wars
>>1293805
tfw wrogn namnlös
>>1288577
>USA would have been left wing as fuck.
And then Hamilton's policies,were pretty much the one that the conservative parties defended in Europe. Jefferson's idea of America were pretty revolutionary,but they were never applied
A pack of fifty hood niggers jungle jumping Arnold are going to overpower him, doesn't mean he is weak or his years of training and dedication are worthless.
Degenerates of all varieties unite in fear of worthy men who don't share their prejudices, liberal America, communist Russia and imperialist Britain all unite to defeat ebil Nazis because they recognize their internal differences are similar to wolf cubs fighting over a dead rabbit, and nothing to actually put them ad odds with each other when a truly different system comes about.
Are American republicans enough right for you? Where were they rekt?
>>1289711
But anon, workers are still exploited by rich people who like to conserve the status-quo
If anything, all retarded ideologies constantly fail
>>1293857
Nope, if you read the thread OP considers everything that is not the Third Reich as leftist
