Why is it a taboo to long for another era but one's own?
As soon as anything in the past is seen as more ideal, the "enjoy the black plague/squalor" or "le wrong generation" crowd emerges, urging you to love the time you live in as much as now.
>>1278984
as much as they*
This is literally the best age to be alive.
t. Quantum Computing.
t. The Start of the Space age Exploration
t. The beginning of the New World
Fuck off
Only somewhat well educated people think so
Most people are all "HURR HURR I'D LOVE TO LIVE IN MEDIEVAL TIMES"
>>1278992
And none of us are experiencing any of that. Most of us need to stay frugal to survive, while Silicon Valley STEMfags dream of super-abundance, automation and transhuman godhood... SOMEWHERE in the future. It's gonna happen. Singularity soon brah.
But sure, when I die, I'll be glad to have been there when the babysteps REALLY began to be taken...
On 4chan it seems almost taboo to actually enjoy this time in history. Whenever I say this is the greatest moment in mankind all I get met with is "muh degeneracy" "muh musssslims!" "muh tradition!"
Your problem is Golden Age thinking. I reckon if you ever went back to the time you longed for you'd feel so out of place that you'd long to come back to a time that's familiar.
1945-2008 America was objectively the best time to be alive for the average middle to lower class person
Like there's aspects of certain cultures which are objectively better and other aspects that aren't, there's aspects of time periods which are objectively better and other aspects that aren't.
Why is 4chan such a bunch of intolerable either/or fucks.
>>1279020
>And none of us are experiencing any of that.
What???? Are you trying to tell me the general populace did not benefit from the onset of 'classical' computing?
Are you trying to tell me when the New World was discovered, the general populace in some way or another didn't benefit from it?
>>1279029
Because humans love the familiar.
Some among us love the unfamiliar, but only to a degree.
I'm pretty sure sending people to the future would make them long for the past.
>>1279020
>And none of us are experiencing any of that. Most of us need to stay frugal to survive,
Are you retarded?
You need to step back and just think of the thousands of unimaginable luxuries you take for granted. We can start with the Shitpost Machine you can apparently afford to use daily.
Even a frugal life at minimum wage in the west is leagues better than the average human being any time in history.
>>1279035
There were both pro's and con's with it, as it is with all technological progress.
I'm sure your sperg ass is gonna rage now in total incomprehension that technology also creates (new) problems as much as it resolves them.
>TFW I'll never be a union work in 1953 America
>fresh out if high school
>high school sweet heart
>guaranteed good paying job
>house
>get to fish on Sundays after church
>bowling on Wednesdays nights
>fuck man now my entire generation is on their phones with 17 different social media apps
>>1279039
>consumer goods make you happy
500k a year engineer voting Trump.
>>1278984
Because that's destructive thinking, life has never been better than it is now. We can cure most things we encounter, the quality of life and life expectancy is going up at a crazy rate while infant mortality has dropped to almost negligible levels. Overall we're more educated, healthier, richer and have access to more resources to improve our lives. We can communicate with people on the other side of the world instantly
Because most of fan boys of other times know shit about common life back then and went into full denial if you try to explain it from historical position.
>>1279043
So you have down syndrome? What you are implying is that we should stop progressing and just deal with the problems at the time?
>lower infant mortality
>bad
>higher general length of life
>bad
>general level of current technology
>bad
>medicinal advances
>bad
Kill yourself, my man.
>>1279046
All of these was possible in the past with believe in Jesus and God's miracles.
>>1279051
No we should totally invent everything possible and not let ourselves get stuck in silly moral quandaries, because technology made it possible to overpopulate.
Onwards to the stars.
>>1278984
>taboo
please dont use words you dont understand
>>1279045
As opposed to what?
What about the past will make you happy compared to having your needs fulfilled and an unprecedented ability to pursue the things that interest you, including having a majority of human knowledge at your fingertips at all times?
>>1279046
Yet loads of people are on this wonderful piece of technology being miserable as fuck. Not to mention rising levels of depression, burn outs and what not.
And if they're not that, they're a bunch of dark triad psycho's who love the fact the world is a huge status dick measuring contest.
I seriously wonder what you guys say to a dude who lives on a farm and wouldn't trade his life for any of that.
>inb4 well go live on a farm u fuck!!! kill urself kill urself kill urself kill urself kill urself kill urself kill urself kill urself
>>1279070
Religion, tradition and wise rule of the monarch.
>>1279072
Seriously, what's stopping you from living this simple content life you crave?
Do you think farmers didn't have anything to worry about? I don't think you've got a very good grasp of how devastating to your way of life a year or two of bad crops can be.
Not to mention the countless other things a peasant in any particular point in history would have to put up with.
ITT: people weren't happy in the past
wew
>>1279074
Just move to Saudi Arabia if that's what you're into fampai.
>>1279080
I just think anybody who's had a taste of modern luxuries would regret giving it up after about 5 hours, when it finally catches up to them all the shit they just gave up because they felt a little bored.
>>1279082
He said wise rule, not spamming money into terrorist's hands ad infinitum and being surprised when it spills over into your own country.
>>1279072
> rising levels of depression, burn outs
You wouldn't suffer from that if you smart enough to not worry about smallest problems. Attitude is what matters here not working of farm instead of what are you doing in modern world.
>>1279072
Someone on a farm benefits as well you retard.
Do you think farming hasn't modernized massively? They don't have to break their backs working in the sun and manually milking all the cows, farming is a LOT easier and healthier nowadays.
And the things you described? Those are cultural, those aren't technological. Depression is, for the most part, related to the increasing stress of the Western lifestyle. Everyone expects something of you and that takes its toll.
That doesn't take away the fact that healthcare is better than ever, science is much MUCH more advanced in every single field and the quality of life, regardless of where you live, is better.
The past wasn't this magical wonderland where everything was simple and nice for everyone. The middle class struggled a lot more, jobs generally took a massive toll on your body (and by extension your life).
1950's America suffered from massive unemployment and poverty issues, especially in rural areas and amongst minorities, not to mention the entire red scare and the Jim Crow laws.
Don't get me wrong, the middle and upper classes flourished during the 50's and contributed massively to America being as relevant as it is nowadays, but it wasn't some utopia where everything was fine.
>>1279072
Sometimes it's worth considering if the rising levels of depression and burn outs might have something to do with people starting to give a shit about depression and burn outs, because I don't think medieval farmers had many psychiatrists to visit and diagnose them. If they were feeling like shit that was their problem, at best they had religion to turn to.
>>1279080
> If they was so happy why do they rebel so much?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_revolts_and_civil_wars
>>1279090
Attitude is a euphemism for psychopathy with you people.
Which just so happens to be not so rare and have a very prominent presence on these boards.
>>1279096
You have to understand at the time depression probably didn't exist. I mean why would it? If your crops don't grow you can blame the gods. If something doesn't go your way , you can blame the gods.
A world without mysticism is what causes depression.
>>1279098
What are so psychopathic for not being depressed? Most people with so called depression couldn't even properly formulate what their problem is. They are just seemingly depressed without any real reason.
>>1279101
So the cure for depression is just to blame someone? I suppose there's not a single depressed religious person in existence?
wew lad, you should tell them.
>>1279094
> Those are cultural, those aren't technological. Depression is, for the most part, related to the increasing stress of the Western lifestyle. Everyone expects something of you and that takes its toll.
I wasn't the one equating "today's world" with technology. That's always the first thing you hear in these discussions as the main argument against people who are nostalgic about pas times.
Which is indeed what you're saying here too. When people act nostalgic about past times, they don't dream of carriages, but of certain values and styles. About cultural things.
But suggesting there was anything good about one era compared to ours immediately makes you a Luddite on here.
>>1279107
I see you're talking out of your ass.
Depression is overused and everyone with a slight dip thinks he has it, but it's a serious problem and not a matter of "getting ur shit together", kid.
>>1279107
That's the point. Clinical depression isn't always an attitude problem, and sometimes the attitude problem springs from the depression rather than vice-versa.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of whiny cunts who just need a stiff upper lip, but there are some people who seriously just feel like shit for no reason, and negativity impacts them more than positivity. I'm almost certain you've had off days (perhaps you were hungry or tired) where you were pissed at the world and every little thing bothered you.
>>1279116
You're talking about living in a past, i'm going to assume you mean every aspect of the past and not just one particular bit. And personally, i think we're far better off culturally as well. Unless you were white, male and striaght the 50's were pretty fucking shit for you, civil liberties wise.
>>1279112
>So the cure for depression is just to blame someone?
You misunderstand my point.
>>1279123
> you were pissed at the world and every little thing bothered you
That isn't depression, just frustration. Depression tends to lean upon more apathetic side of things. It isn't like you were pissed at the world. It's more like you don't even care anymore.
>>1279135
Your point was people weren't depressed because you can blame the gods, which is patently fucking stupid. Blaming the gods doesn't suddenly make your life better.
>>1279138
I'm just trying to get the idea across that it isn't always as simple as "lol just chill and be happy senpai"
>>1279140
Yes, you misunderstand. Blaming the gods was a simple example which for some reason you got stuck on.
The point is, when the mysticism is gone, depression appears.
But of course, I will wait for you to misunderstand that point also.
>>1279122
Trying to blame western lifestyle on depression is kind of strange. Check Japan for example. That is even worse while being an eastern society. South Korea is also high here.
>>1278984
Grass-is-probably-greener-on-the-other-side fallacy and escapism.
I once thought life would be great during Victorian-Era Britain, but I realized that I would probably living in the slums or working in piss-poor coal mines or factories; I was just thinking about the high life and aristocracy and ignoring reality.
>>1279140
It actually kind of does.
If you truly believe ( which you can't, because doubt will always haunt you as a westerner, even if you convert ), then all of that melts like snow.
Have you ever been to India? People there take complete solace in their abject situation of total poverty because of their religion.
>>1279145
>The point is, when the mysticism is gone, depression appears.
Yes, and your single only explanation for that was that depressed people could blame the gods. How else do you validate your statement that when mysticism disappears depression appears?
Your point is pretty fucking poorly explained, you're just throwing out a theory with zero actual explanation except your one obviously false example.
>>1279150
Japan is a post-industrialized society as much as the West.
It isn't really that different from ours anymore in terms of lifestyle.
>>1279101
> At the time depression probably didn't exist.
Depression was known to Ancient Greeks as a melancholia, so you can be sure it existed even back then.
>>1279152
What's the difference for a miserable person between genuinely believing your fate is because of some shitty fickle god and your fate is because of shitty fickle random chance?
"Oh, well I'm glad Zeus has it out for me personally, I feel a lot better now."
>>1279169
Don't forget that today you can blame everything on the determinism™ of physical laws.
>>1279169
>because of some shitty fickle god and your fate is because of shitty fickle random chance
Because of the afterlife that 'shitty fickle god' offers you, you dense fedora tipping fuck.
>>1279175
You seem awfully fucking convinced that everyone just assumes they're going to some paradise heaven and not the myriad punishing afterlifes offered by a myriad of religions you fucking idiot. Do you not think that maybe "Oh, looks like God is punishing me for my sins AND I'm going to burn in the fires of eternal perdition when this earthly misery is over" might make someone feel a little down?
Your theory's shit, you're a retard, get over it.
>>1279154
>How else do you validate your statement that when mysticism disappears depression appears?
Have you suffered from a form of chronic depression? Have you seen psychiatrists and what they believe to be the onset of depression? Are you even using your cognitive abilities to think about what is being said? How can you be going through an existential crisis before what the definition of existential? How can you be depressed about your existence when the common thought is you were created in gods vision?
Ancient depression is termed as "fears and despondencies, if they last a long time".
I mean do some research into your history and depression as a hole, depression in ancient times as written by Aristotle, depression only effected those who were 'brilliant' and intellectual i.e. the people destroying the mysticism of their every day life.
What I am saying is not some opinion, it's backed up with historical facts.
>>1279194
Only protestants fear that.
>>1278984
Because More likely then not you would be living a much, much more terrible life then you are now
>>1279196
> depression only effected those who were 'brilliant' and intellectual
How do we know that? It isn't like brilliant intellectual would really care about what kind of depression affected common men or a common
have a time to tell everyone how depressed he is. Seems more like case of shitty diagnosis instead of much less cases of mental illness to me.
>>1279196
So are we limiting depression to "existential dread" so that your theory that depression didn't exist works?
>>1279194
Eastern religions tend to believe in reincarnation. Be good in this life = better life awaits.
Catholicism claims good works = possible entry into heaven.
Retard anglo's: "LEL DEPENDS EVEN IF U DO GOOD NO CHANCE BECUZ GODS WILL IS INCOMPREHENSIBURR :^)"
>>1279196
> depression
> existential crisis
Not the same things, anon.
>>1279214
Yes, and someone's who's clinically depressed is probably not very confident they're a good person who's in for a good afterlife.
>>1279209
>How do we know that?
Aristotle wrote about it.
>>1279213
>depression
>modern term
>existed in ancient times
>although diagnosed and defined differently
K.
I've been through this man, without being personal I've got a melancholia diagnosis, as opposed to a diagnosis of chronic depression. I have done my research, have you?
>>1279223
Wrong issue, it's in issue 10.
I can't see any correlation between western world and depression rates.
>>1279237
Wtf Holland?
And stoners told me weed will solve everything.
>>1278984
Well, how are you gonna defend yourself against "enjoy the black plague/squalor"? Not to mention that most people here would have died while being born, probably killing her mother. Or would have never been conceived, due to her mother dying giving birth to one of his brothers. Did you suffer from some harsh disease in your first days of life? You would've probably died back then. And that's not counting the rest of stuff that would not kill you but would be pretty inconvenient, I'm sure a lot of people here has vision problems or needed to go to the dentist.
So, how are you gonna defend yourself from that? Why do you complain about people bringing it if you can't defend your "ideal era"?.
>>1279259
Because "peepulz died then so everydng sux then" isn't a solid argument against certain ideas that were en vogue at the time.
It would be like saying the space program is evil because Von Braun was involved and he was part of the nazi empire that "killd deh peepulz".
>>1279259
Why would I die from all that shit? My ancestors survived and I got they genetic immunity. This is natural selection in action.
I love how 4chan cares about the increasing number of human beings thanks to modernity, yet urges people to kill themselves if they do not fit in.
>>1279237
At least post the correct version.
>>1279265
Lel, you're a fucking idiot. Not even him, but dam.
>>1279262
Are those benefits worth it if you can't enjoy them? "Peepulz died" is the most important thing, you're peepulz and you can die, whatever you like about that era will not exist for you or you will not be able to enjoy it.
There's a very important difference from wanting to live in the past, which is plainly retarded, and wanting to recuperate certain benefical lost virtues, which is something respectable but completely unrelated.
>>1279265
So you were never in any situation where modern medicine saved your life or at least improved it? And the same can be said about the people you care about?
>>1278984
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
>>1279085
What makes you think the monarchs of the past were "wise" rulers?
>>1278992
And what? We've become a lazy, sterilized culture (I say that while posting on a Laotian lizard catching forum).
>>1279718
You have, maybe. You wallow in a shit-filled pool that is your life, just like so many billions of peasants before you. Actual life-affirmers, of which you are clearly not, are living actively and vigorously. You don't realize it because of your insular and smallminded approach to existence.
This website is full of people with internet addictions. Take a guess why they don't want to live in the past.
>>1278992
And almost none of that has any effect on the laymen. It's just numbers and words for pseudo on the internet to jerk off over.
>>1282303
pseudo-intellectuals*
A modern could easily live in Rome during its height.
>>1279033
Excepted the blacks.
>>1279033
If you're a straight, white and atleast average looking male, sure
>>1282403
even for blacks was better by far
>>1282527
Good.
>>1282527
hince "average"
>>1279051
>looming overpopulation
>total annihilation but a button press away
>climate change that's going to fuck our shit up
>humanity growing more and more dependent on technology
>superbacteria outbreak just waiting to happen
>>1279267
>the increasing number of human beings thanks to modernity
Population growth has never been lower.
>>1279033
>1945-2008
2016 is better than any of those years.
>>1279038
>I'm pretty sure sending people to the future would make them long for the past.
You don't have to speculate about it, that's literally what old people are.
>>1282585
Yeah, in civilized countries.
In third rate shitholes it's rising fast
>>1282597
In what way?
We've got rapefugees flooding Europe, racial tensions in America have never been higher, a reality star and an incompetent liar are your only choices for president
>>1282645
>In what way?
We are richer. The world is less violent. We know more about the world. We are healthier. Our technology is better. The environment is in better shape.
Don't be taken in by fear mongers. They've been saying the world is going to shit in every era.
>all the Whigism in this thread
wow, and I thought I was on the history board.
>>1278984
It's not taboo, it's just generally agreed that life is better now than it was before, so you would be in for a lot of suffering.
>>1282597
No, this is hell.
>>1278992
Maybe for you. Personally I would really like to live during the height of the age of European Imperialism
>>1283249
Can I ask why?
>>1282840
>The world is less violent.
Pffhfhhfhfhffff
You could ride in a hippiebus from europe over turkey to afghanistan straight into indochina in the 70s without getting murderraped on the way.
>>1283272
>sourced from my arse
>>1283277
My parents told me so : )
Was called the hippietrail!
Also theres this warjournalist peter scholl latour whom I very much respect who said that during the cold war there were less interethnic conflicts ravaging whole regions and dominating the life there which made the world appear less savage.
You could for example drive down a river through the kongo with maybe a rifleman at your side.
You aint gonna do that now.
>>1278984
Because it's escapism. You may as well ask to be in Hogwarts, in Equestria, or to be fighting for the Emprah, whatever.
>>1279044
I wish I could opt out of the social contract. Ted Kaczynski was absolutely right about technology. I want to go be a horticulturist/hunter-gatherer in the woods. But that is illegal.
>>1279097
Dynastic shit. They were tired of the government and ruling class telling them what to do, and then having to pay the price for it.
>>1283296
Wow, so violence shifted from one part of the world to another!
>>1283272
you can ride a bike from europe to southeast asia without any trouble in this day and age.
>>1283312
You can migrate to wherever that is legal. There are still such places.
btw hobos are pretty much urban hunter-gatherers.
>>1283319
Violence was there before.
>>1283322
I hate urbanites and urban life in general. Is rather make a living out of what I can find growing naturally, build my own shelter, etc. And those are mentally ill and drug-addicts
>>1283322
Show me one place with untapped/unencroached wilderness that isn't absolutely miserable (e.g. siberia) where I can legally emigrate with no job lined up with the intent to be a hermit. Find me one
>>1283334
You can go to to New Guinea or some-such place. Remember to get your shots. Unless you consider that cheating.
Lot's of hunter-gatherer societies do make use of drugs recreational and western notions of mental illness don't quite fly over there. Being a schizo might even land you a part-time gig as a witch doctor.
>>1283272
You are objectively wrong. It is literally a fact that there is less violence in the world today than in the 1970s.
>>1278992
Hahahahaha.
t. Limits to growth
>>1283364
ok, then give me a source back pls!
>>1278992
We'll be dead by the time we start seriously exploring space. We're in the most boring times of recent human history.
>>1283272
>straight into indochina
>70s
>Indochina
>1970s
>safe
>>1283421
another anon here
3 in bottom
>>1278984
Because I'm wary of those who don't understand the negative implications that sit with the positive things that they see.
If they can give me a well rounded answer, as to why, sure.
But if they can't, it's a good tell for how willfully ignorant somebody is. And that causes a reaction in me that I get to decide whether or not I want to act on by calling them a dumb cunt.
>>1283325
IT happened to not be there at the time. I don't think the two of you actually disagree.
>>1282527
YOU'RE
>>1282645
>We've got rapefugees flooding Europe
We've had them in the past too. The 90s come to mind, with jokes like 'what is the pinnacle of decadence? A little plastic raft of refugees for inside your aquarium'. The main difference with the 90s is that there is a large scale opposition against mindlessly letting in refugees. And America has had presidential candidates with a worse background. Reagan was an actor for fuck's sake. And racial tensions and other civil unrest take the place of the direct threat of nuclear war during the Cold War.
Things could be a whole lot fucking worse.
>>1279051
>MUH PROGRESS
Kill yourself liby
>>1278984
because now, is the best time to be alive by any metric, just because you saw some posters from the 50s doesnt mean that all life was like that one picture
