Catholicism or Orthodoxy.
Who is the right one, what do I do /his/ do I stick to the other because? Or do I convert to the other because?
No fucking proddy or mudslime memes thx
>>1253143
Got into desert, untouched by man - feast for days - purify your mind and soul and ask God.
Or simply go with Orthodoxy.
>>1253164
You hinting on that Orthodoxy would be the outcome after such a spiritual pilgrimage?
>>1253168
It's the outcome of Jesus Christ - God in human flesh together with Holy Spirit that's still present today and can speak with you not in desert - but in Church.
With the baptism, you get the armor of Holy Spirit on you - while still on earth your soul becomes angel like in human flesh.
But yeah there's also lots of mysticism in orthodoxy and lots of miracles - many actually, still today - mainly because of the Holy Spirit.
And because role of Church on earth is to prepare souls for eternity - not just wait idle until death - Holy Spirit will train you, test you, teach you and make your soul greater while still alive, so that when you die lots of rewards wait you - eternal boundless joy.
>>1253216
>God in human flesh together with Holy Spirit that's still present today and can speak with you not in desert - but in Church.
>Implying churches are at all necessary to become one with God
I mean I'm not even Christian and this is disgusting
>>1253143
>Picking any sort of Paulianity.
Ebionite or go home. You want to do what Jesus preached, right?
>>1253143
Unironically neither
>>1253143
>Who is the right one
Neither.
>>1253638
>No proddys or mudslimes
>>1253143
I fucking hate this picture, it's so infantile
>>1253143
>Hell or Hell, where should I end up?
>>1253245
MK Ultra tier
>>1253246
Yeah, what Jesus preached to Paul.
>>1253650
Yes, who would worship and deify Mary, the Mother of God, the Queen of Heaven, the Co-Mediatrix of our salvation???
>>1253143
>No fucking proddy or mudslime memes thx
I don't see how you can speak so hatefully about a group of people and still call yourself a Christian
>>1253659
It's not the content, it's the art style
>mfw I'm a Protestant anyway and don't worship someone who's totally human
>>1253664
Didn't you hear? In 1854, Mary became God. That's why it's totally okay to pray to idols of her.
>>1253143
I guess the question I have, is why here? Why would you come to /his/ and ask for >>>/adv/ice about a profound life changing decision?
>>1253678
Because I'm here.
>>1253664
Nah, what's bad about it is that hyper-sexualizes mary. The way her hair flows down her bosom is very sultry.
>>1253143
Orthodoxy is a joke. Seriously look at any of the recent religion polls. Everyone is taking the piss with the orthodox meme.
>>1253685
Why, the mere suggestion that a pope could be fallible speaking ex cathedra about Mary becoming God is just unthinkable! She must be God! She created God!
>>1253689
I figured that out when I saw a bunch of them standing in line in their church to get slapped in the face with a bunch of herbs at Easter. Couldn't stop laughing. Old guy with a handful of herbs, smacking people in the face.
>>1253691
Well he literally can't be because the Holy Spirit would strike him dead.
The interesting thing is that this may or may not have actually happened several times throughout history. There are a few cases...
>>1253683
That's not necessarily the problem, take a look at some paintings by Botticelli
It's just the fact that it's a shitty imitation of anime that triggers me
>>1253699
Oh, yes, the Holy Spirit strikes down everyone in the catholic church who lies.
kek
Be patient. That hellfire ain't goin' out anytime soon.
>>1253700
You don't think ninebreaker on DeviantArt put sufficient deity into the artwork?
>>1253689
I do get the sense that this board is full of fake Orthodox arguing with real Catholics.
>>1253707
Simply lying is a lot different than lying while speaking Ex Cathedra.
>>1253722
News flash: speaking ex cathedra and lying is still lying.
There's nothing holy in the catholic church. Nothing. It's a cess pool of demons and evil spirits.
>>1253143
Oriental Orthodoxy is the most legit. They preserve many ancient customs long gone in western Christianity. Their clergy wear pretty elaborate robes.
>>1253790
>When u at a party with no weed but then your boy show up
>>1253790
How is that any different to Eastern Orthodoxy?
>>1253883
They think Jesus has one split instead of two separated & combined natures.
They reject calchedon for the most part.
>>1253975
That's heresy m8
>>1253975
IIRC both Eastern and Oriental have come to realise they believe essentially the same thing, it's just that they used the same words to mean different things, so when one of them said "Jesus is one person with two natures" the other one, having a different idea of "nature", called them a heretic
>>1253988
Yes, ... and so? What's your point?
The kopts even are monophysites for the most part still. and noone seems to complain about those much.
>>1254011
By that logic confessional Lutherans and roman catholics believe bascially "the same" thing about eucharist and about justification.
>Inb4 joint declaration
No.
Just No.
>>1254019
Still
Why convert to a heresy if the other side is pretty much the same, and non-heretical?
>>1254019
>believe bascially "the same" thing about eucharist and about justification
Not really. Lutherans reject the eucharist being the actual, physical body and blood of Christ. Catholics explicitly say it is. Sure, you could say that both Catholics and Lutherans say that it's a "metaphor," but Catholics, while seeing it as a metaphor for something deeper, ALSO see it as literal. Not much room for "semantics" here.
>Who is the right one
Both.
I'd bang Virgin Mary if she looked like OP's picture.
>>1254039
Nah, really you can't say "both," unless you are somehow going to say that both of different sets of contradictory theologies are both right.
>>1254037
>Not really. Lutherans reject the eucharist being the actual, physical body and blood of Christ.
Wrong.
We affirm it.
You are thinking of Calvinists or Zwinglians even.
>>1254068
Ah, my bad. I thought that's what anon was referring to, since that's the only thing about a eucharist disagreement I could think of.
>>1254083
The difference is:
- that Lutheranism says the faith of the receiver makes the con/ transubstantiation of the host, while Catholics believe the priests power bestowed upon him in his sacramentation makes it "ex opera operato" (if the rite is done correctly).
- That (since faith is what makes the miracle) in Lutheran Christ only is present in and as the host during Eucharist. Afterwards the hosts are only bread again, what the catholic church has condemned in Trent as a heresy. Their leftovers stay Christ forever, which is why you have to bury them if they go bad.
>>1254090
Since even a pope cannot go against tradition: Sadly I think no, unless the orthodox accept papal authority, which would be a stupid af move in the long run.
>>1253678
It's in large part a historical question. Notice how he specifically exclused proddies. The question of Catholic or Orthodox has a lot of historical considerations involved, whether of the Churches themselves or the doctrines involved.
Catholicism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KV6PXSODgE
>>1253700
You think Boticelli is an example of good, wholesome Christian art? No. Renaissance pls go
>>1253653
Well you will be going to hell
>>1254287
I'm converting to Orthodoxy.*
>>1254287
What that anon said is meaningless. Latins are buttpained that Orthodoxy destroys their credibility so they keep claiming that it's just a meme.
t. Orthodox
>>1253700
Way to show how much of a clueless pleb you are.
>>1253143
>Who is the right one
Neither obviously.
>>1253662
He's not speaking about people he's speaking about memes
>>1253143
>Who is the right one
Isn't it obvious?
>>1258094
>each nation has a church in it's own language withba great deal of indpendence from one another yet they have stayed consistent in belief and practice for thousnads of years
>meanwhile "le unified catholics" go whichever way the winds of culture blow and can't keep their third world believers from starting borderline heretical cults
>>1258094
Communism vs Communitarianism.
>>1258406
I assume the Caths are the communists in this analogy...?
>>1258424
Yes.
t. Dostoevsky
Come up with your own interpretation, what the fuck
>>1258440
>flavor of the week protestanism
>>1253143
Catholics don't pray to God, they often pray to saint like Mary, asking them to carry the prayer to Jesus. This is literal heresy and idolatry. Catholicism is a heresy, and Catholics in my experience are the most likely to be hostile to other Christians.
>>1258845
I'd say murdering 68,000,000 + Christians and Jews over the past thousand years was "hostile", yes.
>>1253143
yo dat anime mary is a qt
>>1258845
Why do you hate the Blessed Virgin Mary so much? Through Eve comes sin and death, through the New Eve comes grace and life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-I2Qe95qBc
>>1258917
>through the New Eve comes grace and life.
Romans 5:21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Our Lord is Jesus.
Your Lady is Semiramis, whom you have renamed "Mary".
>>1258917
You've never spoken to Mary, she's never heard you, and you'll never meet her.
>>1258917
And your pic is pedophile b8, assuming catholics swing both ways and attack both girls and boys.
>>1258860
>68,000,000 +
>>1258928
>>1258932
>“The ark is verily the holy Virgin, gilded within and without, who received the treasure of universal sanctification. Arise, O Lord, from the Father’s bosom, to raise up again the ruined race of our first parent”
(Orat. in Deip. Annunciat. Int. Opp. S. Greg. Thaumaturg) (Blessed Virgin, p. 89). St. Gregory Thaumaturgus (c. 213-c. 270)
>“As Christ our priest was not chosen by hand of man, so neither was His tabernacle framed by men, but was established by the Holy Ghost; and by the power of God is that tabernacle protected, to be had in everlasting remembrance, Mary, God’s Virgin Mother”
(S. Dionysius of Alexandria, Respons. ad Quoest. v. Pauli Samos) (Blessed Virgin, p. 81). St. Dionysius (died 264)
>>1258935
>being shamelessly perverted
>>1258928
St. Mary, the Mother of God, is in the Scriptures you know.
>>1258959
That was before the Holocaust. So 74,000,000 +
>>1258983
Well excuse me for being skeptical of that preposterous figure.
>>1258964
Yes, your heretics write things about the ark being Mary.
And yet, others of your heretics realize why this is not a good idea.
In sum we must agree with Brown, Fitzmyer and the other Roman Catholic editors of the book Mary in the New Testament when they conclude, “in our judgement there is no convincing evidence that Luke specifically identified Mary with . . . the Ark of the Covenant” (Raymond Brown, Karl Donfried, Joseph Fitzmyer, John Reumann, Mary in the New Testament, [Paulist Press, 1978], p. 134).
>>1258978
She is.
She is not the Queen of Heaven that both Babylon and Rome adore.
>>1258983
>>1258989
You're excused.
>>1258997
Do I need to ask for a source or can you take a hint?
>>1258994
The pope was in charge of 2/3 of the Axis powers, never decried the Holocaust, never lifted a finger to any Jews, signed Concordats with Mussolini and Hitler, and then after the war smuggled Nazi war criminals into South America via the Vatican Ratlines.
The Vatican is the most evil institution on earth.
>>1259008
>The pope was in charge of 2/3 of the Axis powers,
>>1259001
Dowling in his History of Romanism says
"From the birth of Popery in 606 to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of popery."
-- "History of Romanism," pp. 541, 542. New York: 1871.
The Catholic crusade against the Albigenses in Southern France (from 1209-1229), under Popes Innocent III., Honorius III. and Gregory IX., was one of the bloodiest tragedies in human history. … The number of Albigenses that perished in the twenty years’ war is estimated at from one to two millions.
-- Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XIV.
Need I speak to you of the thirty years’ war in Germany, which was mainly instigated by the Jesuits, in order to deprive the Protestants of the right of free religious worship, secured to them by the treaty of Augsburg? Or of the Irish rebellion, of the inhuman butchery of about fifteen millions of Indians in South America, Mexico and Cuba, by the Spanish papists? In short, it is calculated by authentic historians, that papal Rome has shed the blood of sixty-eight millions of the human race in order to establish her unfounded claims to religious dominion (citing Dr. Brownlee’s “Popery an enemy to civil liberty”, p. 105).
This was the century of the last religious wars in “Christendom,” the Thirty Years’ War in Germany, fomented by the Jesuits, reducing the people to cannibalism, and the population of Bohemia from 4,000,000 to 780,000, and of Germany from 20,000,000 to 7,000,000, and making Southern Germany almost a desert, ...
-- Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII.
>>1259014
Concordat with Mussolini '29
Concordat with Hitler '33
>>1259016
In addition to the Jesuit or Catholic atrocities of this century already enumerated with some particulars, they massacred 400 Protestants at Grossoto, in Lombardy, July 19th, 1620; are said to have destroyed 400,000 Protestants in Ireland, in 1641, by outright murder, and cold, and hunger, and drowning; …
-- Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII.
In one word, the church of Rome has spent immense treasures and shed, in murder, the blood of sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand of the human race, to establish before the astonished and disgusted world, her fixed determination to annihilate every claim set up by the human family to liberty, and the right of unbounded freedom of conscience.
-- Popery an enemy to civil liberty, 1836, pp. 104-105.
Papal Rome has shed the blood of fifty millions of Christians in Europe!
-- The Roman Catholic Religion viewed in the light of Prophecy and History, New York, Charles K. Moore, 1843, page 60.
The Roman Catholic Religion viewed in the light of Prophecy and History, New York, Charles K. Moore, 1843, page 60.
The best writers enumerate fifty millions of Christians destroyed by fire, and the sword, and the inquisition; and fifteen millions of natives of the American continent and islands; and three millions of Moors in Europe, and one million and a half of Jews. Now, here are sixty-nine millions and five hundred thousands of human beings, murdered by “the woman of the Roman hills, who was drunk with the blood of the saints.” And this horrid list does not include those of her own subjects, who fell in the crusades in Asia, and in her wars against European Christians, and in South America!
>>1259017
>IN
>CHARGE
excuse me but I'm quite sure the Pope didn't annex Czechoslovakia, invade Poland and Russia or invade Ethiopia
slink off somewhere else you absolute nut proddy
>>1259020
When Laguedoc was invaded by these monsters, one hundred thousand Albigensees fell in one day! See Bruys vol. iii. 139.
There perished under pope Julian 200,000 Christians: and by the French massacre, on a moderate calculation, in 3 months, 100,000. Of the Waldenses there perished 150,000; of the Albigenses, 150,000. There perished by the Jesuits in 30 years only 900,000. The Duke of Alva destroyed by the common hangman alone, 36,000 persons; the amount murdered by him is set down by Grotius at 100,000! There perished by the fire, and tortures of the Inquisition in Spain, Italy, and France 150,000. … In the Irish massacres there perished 150,000 Protestants!
To sum up the whole, the Roman Catholic church has caused the ruin, and destruction of a million and a half of Moors in Spain; nearly two millions of Jews South America in Europe. In Mexico, and , including the islands of Cuba and St. Domingo, fifteen millions of Indians, in 40 years, fell victims to popery. And in Europe, and the East Indies, and in America, 50 millions of Protestants, at least, have been murdered by it!
Thus the church of Rome stands before the world, “the woman in scarlet, on the scarlet colored Beast.” A church claiming to be Christian, drenched in the blood of sixty-eight millions, and five hundred thousand human beings!
-- W. C. Brownlee, Letters in the Roman Catholic controversy, 1834, pp. 347-348.
>>1259021
Catholic pope.
Catholic Italian Fascist Leader Mussolini and Catholic German Fascist Leader Hitler, both under the authority of the Vatican.
>>1259021
Hitler literally wrote that he was finishing what his church started. The elimination of the Jews.
8 years later, the pope made Hitler's party legitimate.
>>1259016
>>1259020
>>1259025
>I take fairytales written by proddy authors who frequently use the words "popery" and "papist" at face value
but where are the proofs anon, this is a history board
>>1259026
and this made the Pope "in charge" of all their actions like some illuminati puppet master? Hitler was pretty into neo-pagan shit as well
>>1259030
Hitler wrote that he was finishing the LORDS work, not the work of the Church
do you take pleasure in deliberately butchering quotes?
>>1259030
“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”
[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]
>>1259008
>The pope was in charge of 2/3 of the Axis powers
holy shit hahahahaha. im no fan of the pope but what the fuck
>>1259045
The catholic church was killed in 1798 by France after ruling for 1,260 years, and was resuscitated by Mussolini in '29.
>>1259016
>more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of popery
seriously dude all i have for you are reaction faces. im speechless, sorry.
>>1258991
This is biblical.
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>The ark traveled to the house of Obed-edom in the hill country of Judea (2 Sam. 6:1-11).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Mary traveled to the house of Elizabeth and Zechariah in the hill country of Judea (Luke 1:39).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>Dressed as a priest, David danced and leapt in front of the ark (2 Sam. 6:14).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>John the Baptist - of priestly lineage - leapt in his mother's womb at the approach of Mary (Luke 1:41).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>David asks, "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Elizabeth asks, "Why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>David shouts in the presence of the ark (2 Sam. 6:15).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Elizabeth "exclaimed with a loud cry" in the presence of the Mary (Luke 1:42).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>The ark remained in the house of Obed-edom for three months (2 Sam. 6:11).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Mary remained in the house of Elizabeth for three months (Luke 1:56).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>The house of Obed-edom was blessed by the presence of the ark (2 Sam. 6:11).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>The word blessed is used three times; surely the house was blessed by God (Luke 1:39-45).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>The ark returns to its home and ends up in Jerusalem, where God's presence and glory is revealed in the temple (2 Sam. 6:12; 1 Kgs. 8:9-11).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Mary returns home and eventually ends up in Jerusalem, where she presents God incarnate in the temple (Luke 1:56; 2:21-22).
>>1259059
Christians are not anti-semetic.
Catholics are. The Nazi pope urged Hitler to kill all the "communists and Christkillers" that he could.
>>1259060
Save your reaction face for the day you pay for your involvement in all of those murders.
>>1259066
It's twisted abominations and blasphemies.
“We are told that Mary is paralleled with David (both ‘arise’ and ‘set out’), while other times Mary is paralleled with the Ark. Moreover, the statement of David in 2 Sam 6:9, ‘How can the ark of the LORD come to me?,’ changes the parallelism from Mary/David to David/Elizabeth . . . The fluctuation of the parallelism from Mary/Ark to Mary/David to David/Elizabeth to Elizabeth/Obed-Edom seems too capricious to be valid, and is for that reason alone rightly rejected by most scholars” (Eric Svendsen, Who is my Mother? The Role of and Status of the Mother of Jesus in the New Testament and Roman Catholicism, [Calvary Press, 2001], p. 168).
>>1259072
a lot of people are anti-semitic
>>1259066
Luke’s theology of God not dwelling in houses made with hands, as indicated in Stephen’s talk in Acts 7:44-49, shows it would not be a good thing for Luke to compare Mary carrying Jesus to the Ark or God’s cloud of glory settling above the Tabernacle since, again, according to Luke, God does not dwell in those places. This is why the Roman Catholic scholars such as Raymond Brown, Joseph Fitzmyer and others in their book Mary in the New Testament say, in regards to Luke’s thinking, such “a comparison between Mary and the Tabernacle might not be favorable to her” (Raymond Brown, Karl Donfried, Joseph Fitzmyer, John Reumann, Mary in the New Testament, [Paulist Press, 1978], p. 133 n. 298).
Read the whole thing, and maybe stop being such an abomination to the holy God.
http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2014/03/mary-is-not-arc-and-tabernacle.html
>>1259080
And of those people, the Catholics hold the record for murder. In the millions.
>>1259073
why would i? my family were expelled from spain for being jews, i dont see how amy of that has to do with me
>>1259086
Everyone in the Whore of Babylon shares her fate.
>>1259086
any*
>>1259066
Keep solving that DaVinci code my man.
Btw I was reading Watership Down and there were a bunch of rabbits mentioned with some biblical stuff thrown in here and there. Do you think rabbits might be the true desert-spirit antichrist? I think it might help you out if you give it a go. Primary source, bro.
>>1259088
do you think im a catholic or something?
>>1259085
are you claiming every nation on that list is a catholic one :^)?
>>1259094
At least educate yourself on the subject first before embarrassing yourself like this, m'lad.
>>1259075
The Old Ark of the Covenant was the physical dwelling place of the Shekinah Glory.
The New Ark of the Covenant was the physical dwelling place of the Word Incarnate.
>The Old one contained the stone tablets of the law - the word of God inscribed on stone.
>The New one contained the body of Jesus Christ - the word of God in the flesh.
>The Old one contained the urn filled with manna from the wilderness - the miraculous bread come down from heaven.
>The New one contained the womb containing Jesus, the bread of life come down from heaven (John 6:41).
>The Old one contained the rod of Aaron that budded to prove and defend the true high priest.
>The New one contained the actual and eternal High Priest.
I could go on and on but it is sad to see that you have eyes that cannot see and ears that cannot hear. I'll pray for you to eventually grow out of your anti-Catholicism and start looking at the facts rather than being led astray by demonic lies.
>>1259072
>Christians are not anti-semetic.
are you a protestant or not?
>>1259095
I think your incredulity that the Roman Catholic Church could kill 800 people per week typically a Catholic response. If you're a Jew, you don't know your enemy m8.
>>1259099
Didn't bother to look at it. Even combined, the murders of Jews throughout history by things other than Catholics cannot exceed the Catholic high score.
They're professional Jew killers.
>>1259112
I don't worship Mary, so no, I don't deify her or compare her to a box.
>>1259119
Logic, reason and truth.
Kryptonite to Catholics.
>>1259132
I am a born again Christian.
Martin Luther was a Catholic friar and is likely in hell.
>>1259134
the catholics who concluded that Mary is not the ark of the new covenant #rekt papistAnon.
They read all of that, and debunked it already.
lrn2read
>>1259136
Hitler didn't kill the Jews for solely religious purposes though
even when he used this as his shadow he invoked Christ as his reason and all denominations of Christians worship Christ, his words have no Catholic connotations
that being said are not those who deny Christ the anti-Christ? what's wrong with killing them in your mind if they are so wholly against conversion as the Jews are?
>>1259137
Neither do I, nor did the greeks though they too had always venerated her and rightfully so. Here's the oldest hymn to the Blessed Virgin Mary from the 3rd century:
>Greek
Ὑπὸ τὴν σὴν εὐσπλαγχνίαν,
kαταφεύγομεν, Θεοτόkε.
Τὰς ἡμῶν ἱkεσίας,
μὴ παρίδῃς ἐν περιστάσει,
ἀλλ᾽ ἐk kινδύνων λύτρωσαι ἡμᾶς,
μόνη Ἁγνή, μόνη εὐλογημένη.
>English
Beneath your compassion,
We take refuge, O Mother of God:
do not despise our petitions in time of trouble:
but rescue us from dangers,
only pure, only blessed one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SJUVjoyJUU
>>1259148
>debunked it already
lol no
>>1259144
Martin Luther was the first proddy and you'll probably join him in hell.
>>1259165
"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do"
>>1259177
piss on your sand-daddy desu
>>1259119
More like www.mentalgymnasticsministries.com amirite?
>>1259008
>Assuming the Axis powers are bad
But still, fuck the pope
It's so sad. We strip these beautiful people of their humanity by ascribing Divinity to them. Why can't they be awesome by themselves? Why does it have to be God's will?
They were all such amazing people with heartwarming stories whose memories were usurped by those seeking power and influence over the weak minded.
>>1259165
Who am I? 007? Licensed to kill all those who walk in the spirit of the antichrist?
No, I'll just walk with my Lord, and let Him clean up the mess. His hands are clean.
>>1259166
Have an idol of her.
Talk to her.
Expect her to hear you.
Expect her to act on your behalf.
Light a candle to her.
Light incense to her.
Think she has something to do with salvation.
Worship her as the "ark of the New Covenant".
You couldn't be more pagan if you had PAGAN tattooed on your forehead.
>>1253143
>chatolics
http://nypost.com/2016/04/22/pope-francis-reneges-on-offer-to-take-in-christian-refugees/
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/pope-francis-hails-election-of-sadiq-khan-as-mayor-of-london/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/29/pope-francis-migrants-not-danger-danger/
http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/05/pope-shocker-promotes-socialism-likens-jesus-to-isis/
http://www.infowars.com/pope-francis-likens-jesus-to-isis-says-muslims-migrants-must-breed-with-europeans/
>>1259175
He was a catholic friar who thought maybe the popes shouldn't be murdering the husbands of women they wanted to commit adultery with.
>>1259329
Docetism is heresy and Mary is full of grace yet fully human.
>>1259384
Jesus is full of grace in the bible.
In your cult, it's Mary who's full of grace.
See the difference?
>>1259388
I'll post the bible verse, even though I already know Catholics trash the bible in favor of the "traditions of men."
John 1:14 [ The Word Becomes Flesh ] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Colossians 2:8
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
>>1259372
>those last two links
hmmmmmmm
any mirrors? not supporting clickbait
>>1259388
Aramaic: Shlomlekh, maliath taibootho.
Greek: Chaire, kecharitomene.
Latin: Ave, gratia plena.
English: Hail, full of grace.
Only the Blessed Virgin Mary is given this title in the Holy Bible.
>>1259401
She's not, not in the bible.
In the bible, she's the favored one. The one chosen by God to bear the Messiah. The one who's blessed among women, because all Jewish women yearned to bear the messiah.
You worship Semiramis, the Queen of Heaven, and do her deeds.
You have never talked to Mary; she has never done anything for you; and you will never meet her.
>>1259396
John 1:14 - ..."full of grace" ----> pleres charis
Luke 1:28 - ..."full of grace" ----> kecharitomene
Here's what protestant greek scholars have to say about this:
>" 'Highly favoured' (kecharitomene). Perfect passive participle of chartoo and means endowed with grace (charis), enriched with grace as in Ephesians 1:6, ... The Vulgate 'gratiae plena' is right if it means 'full of grace which thou has received'."
Archibald T Robinson
>"Luke 1:28 ... 'kecharitomene' is a quite rare Hellenistic verb (only found elsewhere in the NT at Eph 1:6 in the active). Etymologically it should mean 'to be furnished with grace'."
John Noland
>"Chartoo ... Highly favored as in Luke 1:28 meaning to bestow grace upon...it really does not mean to show favour, but to give grace to."
Spiros Zohdiates
>"Kecharitomene...completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace. The perfect stem of a Greek verb denotes a continuance of a completed past action."
Blass & Debrunner
Read also >>1250138
>>1259425
>John 1:14 - ..."full of grace" ----> pleres charis
>Luke 1:28 - ..."full of grace" ----> kecharitomene
DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE
>>1259388
Kecharitomene has to do with God’s grace, as it is derived from the Greek root, charis (literally, “grace”). Thus, in the KJV, charis is translated “grace” 129 out of the 150 times that it appears. Greek scholar Marvin Vincent noted that even Wycliffe and Tyndale (no enthusiastic supporters of the Catholic Church) both rendered kecharitomene in Luke 1:28 as “full of grace” and that the literal meaning was “endued with grace” (Vincent, I, 259).
Likewise, well-known Protestant linguist W.E. Vine, defines it as “to endue with Divine favour or grace” (Vine, II, 171). All these men (except Wycliffe, who probably would have been, had he lived in the 16th century or after it) are Protestants, and so cannot be accused of Catholic translation bias. Even a severe critic of Catholicism like James White can’t avoid the fact that kecharitomene (however translated) cannot be divorced from the notion of grace, and stated that the term referred to “divine favor, that is, God’s grace” (White, 201).
Protestant linguist W.E. Vine concurs that charis can mean “a state of grace, e.g., Rom. 5:2; 1 Pet. 5:12; 2 Pet. 3:18” (Vine, II, 170). One can construct a strong biblical argument from analogy, for Mary’s sinlessness. For St. Paul, grace (charis) is the antithesis and “conqueror” of sin.
For a person to be full of grace is both to be saved and to be completely, exceptionally holy. It’s a “zero-sum game”: the more grace one has, the less sin. One might look at grace as water, and sin as the air in an empty glass (us). When you pour in the water (grace), the sin (air) is displaced. A full glass of water, therefore, contains no air (see also, similar zero-sum game concepts in 1 John 1:7, 9; 3:6, 9; 5:18). To be full of grace is to be devoid of sin.
>>1253245
An important part of being with God is practising fellowship with your fellow man. That's the whole point of Church. You don't need Church, but you need some sort of gathering with like like-minded Christians.
>>1259455
>Colossians 2:8
>Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
This asinine wordplay to "prove" that Romans 3:23 is a false statement will never pass the smell test.
ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
>>1259460
An important part of being with God is being with God, and God being in you.
>>1253143
what if I think they're both equally right and equally wrong?
>>1259455
The Latin Vulgate is the Latin translation of the Bible done by St. Jerome in the fourth century. It is here in Luke 1:28 that is found the unfortunate Latin translation which says "ave gratia plena "Hail full of grace.'" Remember, the New Testament was written in Greek--not Latin--but the Roman Church has derived its doctrine from the Latin translation--not the Greek original. Therefore, it constructed its doctrine on a false translation. Of course, it cannot correct itself since so much is invested in the worship, adoration, and prayer to Mary in the Roman Catholic Church; and to recant of this false teaching would greatly lessen its credibility. Unfortunately, this means that millions of Catholics will continue to look to Mary for help--not Christ who is truly full of grace.
>>1259468
Then you'd be half-right about the "equally wrong" bit.
>>1259477
Proper:
The Nestle Aland 26th edition, Greek New Testament Interlinear--"having gone into her he said rejoice one having been favored, the master is with you."
The NRSV English Greek Reverse Interlinear New Testament--And he came to her and said, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you."
American Standard Version--"And he came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee."
English Standard Version--"And he came to her and said, Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!
Today's English Version--'"The angel came to her and said, “Peace be with you! The Lord is with you and has greatly blessed you!”
King James Version--"And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."
New American Standard Bible--"And coming in, he said to her, Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.
New King James Version--"And having come in, the angel said to her, Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"
Revised Standard Version--"And he came to her and said, 'Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!'
New Revised Standard Version--And he came to her and said, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.”
The New Century Version--The angel came to her and said, “Greetings! The Lord has blessed you and is with you.”
New Living Translation--Gabriel appeared to her and said, “Greetings, favored woman! The Lord is with you!'”
The Cambridge Paragraph Bible--And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, 'thou that art 'highly favoured, 'the Lord is with thee: 'blessed art thou among women.'
The Holman Christian Standard Bible--"And the angel came to her and said, “Rejoice, favored woman! The Lord is with you."
International Standard Version--'"The angel'' came to her and said, “'Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you!"
>>1259495
And the proper Greek:
What does the Greek say here for "highly favored one? It is the single Greek word kexaritomena and means highly favored, make accepted, make graceful, etc. It does not mean "full of grace" which is "plaras karitos" (plaras = full and karitos = Grace) in the Greek.
5923 χαριτόω (charitoō): vb.; Str 5487; TDNT 9.372—LN 88.66 show kindness graciously give, freely give (Eph 1:6); as a passive participle, subst., “one highly favored.”1
5487 χαριτόω [charitoo /khar·ee·to·o/] v. From 5485; TDNT 9:372; TDNTA 1298; GK 5923; Two occurrences; AV translates as “be highly favoured” once, and “make accepted” once. 1 to make graceful. 1a charming, lovely, agreeable. 2 to peruse with grace, compass with favour. 3 to honour with blessings.
>>1259449
Yes, do you? Stop embarrassing yourself.
>Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis et vidimus gloriam eius gloriam quasi unigeniti a Patre *plenum gratiae* (not used as a title/name) et veritatis.
John 1:14
>Et ingressus angelus ad eam dixit: ave *gratia plena* (used as a title/name), Dominus tecum, benedicta tu in mulieribus.
Luke 1:28
Saint Jerome actually spoke the koine greek dialect of the time and correctly translated "kecharitomene" into "gratia plena" in latin, which literally means "full of grace" and modern greek scholars agree with him. Also, guess what? The Peshitta has it translated into "maliath taibootho" which literally means "full of grace" and the oldest New Testament manuscripts were probably even written in aramaic which means that "kecharitomene" could be an attempt in greek to accurately translate the "maliath taibootho" title which was given to the Blessed Virgin Mary and actually uttered by Gabriel's mouth.
Stop the mental gymnastics now, you're just embarrassing yourself.
>>1259521
IN YOUR PAGAN BIBLE ONLY
>>1259521
You don't seem to get this.
Jerome mistranslated many things in the bible. Those things should be thrown away entirely, not believed beyond reason.
Satan is not the Light Bringer.
Moses did not have horns.
And Mary was not "full of grace", not is she in the proto-evangelion, EXCEPT IN YOUR PAGAN BIBLE.
>>1253143
They split because of politics really.
It really isn't flattering
>>1253216
This actually made me seriously consider becoming a Christian. Maybe I don't need airtight justifications for everything; maybe Christianity is what the human spirit needs, and that is reason enough to believe.
And then I read the rest of the thread.
>>1253143
>current pope
>representing anything but weakness
orthodoxy
>>1259549
If you can be talked into heaven, you can be talked out of heaven.
>>1259495
Posting a million dishonest protestant translations is futile.
>>1259497
>literally copying and pasting garbage from carm.org
You don't know what you're talking about buddy. Saint Jerome who actually spoke the koine greek dialect of the time disagrees with you and so do the modern native greek speakers and greek scholars, including protestants, see >>1259425
Your hate towards the Blessed Virgin Mary is demonic and your "Semiramis" damage control is laughable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U98eu52xuT0
>>1259539
>>1259543
Read >>1259425 >>1250138 and stop shitposting.
>>1259539
kill yourself
Why do proddies keep getting btfo on this board?
>>1259694
Because they're just wrong and protestantism is cancer.
>>1259701
>b-but Babylon
>>1259694
Because the guy who keeps shitposting evangelical memes is a troll who can't change his game up since it's pre-made. Actual Protestants are even sneakier with the way they argue.
>>1254039
I actually randomly met Bartholomew when I was at Patriarchate in Istanbul last january. I wanted to take a picture with him but I felt it was too inappropiate. Had a brief exchange with him. I'm not even Christian or Orthodox, and I meet him one on one of all people.
>>1259556
The Orthodox pope literally gets cucked by Turkey and doesn't even have control over his own city. That isn't weak?
>>1259735
>protestants
>sneakier
they are literally a broken record, spouting the same fear-mongering nonsense everytime even after you just proved them they base their beliefs on pure superstitious propaganda
>>1260285
How?
>>1258388
dubs of truth for the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
>>1259556
>Eastern Orthodoxy
>couldn't figure out how to proselytize
>couldn't stand up to the Tsar
>couldn't convert the Mongols
>couldn't convert the Poles
>couldn't convert the Lithuanians
>have done nothing of relevance for centuries (or ever, for that matter)
>refuse to call out Tsarist abuses
>refuse to call out Soviet abuses
>supposed to at least be an opiate of the masses, but can't even manage that since Russia's suicide rate is sky-high
>churches are ugly
It's pretty funny how contrarians look to Orthodoxy as if it's better than Catholicism, much less better than something like Episcopalianism.
>>1261840
>>1261894
>Catholicucks think that what happens here actually matters and that Orthodox people weren't great martyrs
Enjoy your time on earth heretics, because on the second coming you won't like it anymore
>>1261894
>NZ so close to Australia
I guess shitposting is just a geographical thing then
Let's examine this wall of bullcrap
>be Byzantines during Heraclius
>fight 30 year war with the Persians
>absolutely fucking destroy them
>a sect of Judaism suddenly pops up in Arabia
>asshole arabs of this new sect suddenly zerg everything
>retard Ghassanid Christian shitlord is given command of the exhausted Byzantine army
>he loses
>arabs keep going
>eventually repelled
>thousands of years pass yet there are still Christians in the Middle East
>the Pope sucks Lombard dick
>wew, just conquered by some Frank bastard
>Byzantines have a 10/10 qt as Empress
>she can't be an Emperor of the Roman Empire!
>this Frankish king I barely know of and has nothing to do with the Roman Empire should be the Roman Emperor
>Crown him Emperor
>who said you could do that?
>THISS TEXT!!1! Donation_Of_Constantine.jpg
>forged document
>k
>Pope suddenly gets a power boner
>Ayo senpaitachi subject to me 'cause I'm the supreme patriarch
>why
>BECAUSE!!1! Donation_Of_Constantine.jpg
>no
>Excommunicate you, you, you and you
>Fuck you
>Everyone excommunicates the Pope
>Great Schism
>1204
>crusades """""""""""""""""""""helping""""""""""""""""""""""" the Byzantines
>Venetians, Genoans and Pisans acting like Jews
>Genoans and Pisans sperg out
>mass arrests
>Venetians are the supreme Jews of Constantinople
>they sperg out
>Greeks had enough of their shit
>they kill them for good reason
>western Latins get their fee fees hurt
>calls the Fourth Crusade
>they weaken Byzantium
>well no shit they'd be overrun by Turks
>Byzantium overrun by Turks
>Mount Athos peaceful monks that generally aren't made for war
>Ask for the Sultan's protection
>The Sultan gives them protection
>They remain untouched for centuries and they become a driving force in keeping Orthodoxy a thing in Rumelia
>bad
I'm not going to argue for the Russian Orthodox Church because I don't know about it
That was some toptier kiwi shitposting btw
>>1259008
>never lifted a finger to any Jews
Protestant propaganda. The Catholic Church forged documents for Jews that claimed they were Catholics, secretly gave them shelter in monasteries and convents, and gave them a bunch of money. Before becoming the Pope, Pius railed against their belief in racial supremacy.
Yeah, the Catholic Church could have done more and should have openly condemned Hitler during the war, but the fact remains that it didn't support what was happening and didn't even sit idly by.
>>1261907
sorry to break it to you former prottie who converted to orthodoxy because of memes, but you are wrong
>>1262005
>prottie
Never in my life
>>1262000
>triggered
>>1262019
So this board is not for arguments, gotcha
>>1262022
Your post is one big shitpost.
>>1262025
And I'm the triggered one...
>>1253657
jesus and paul never met
Just kill yourselves please. Or each other.
>>1262102
no u
>>1254090
That would be the absolute greatest thing to happen since the resurrection to happen to Christianity. Pope Francis and Bartholemew would probably be assassinated for it though.
>>1258983
How dare you blame the Holocaust on the Catholic Church!!
>>1261907
>implying
>>1262140
*absolutely worst thing to happen
That would lead to a worldly religion
We don't want that
