Was 1066 the worst year in English history?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fulford
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hastings
Also has anyone seen this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC6l6_TaMA
No it was the best.
normans>saxoniggers
>>1233840
No, that was 1348.
>tfw the good guys lost
Literally the founding date of (real) England.
Without it England would have just remained a nigger tier Scandi shithole.
>>1233902
You're a tard.
>who is Athelstan
>>1233902
England was more advanced than France at the time of the conquest
>>1233902
>It's another "/his/ thinks anything with ties to Germanic people was backwards and sub-saharan African-tier" episode
>>1233968
I like watching the history channel as well.
>>1233981
Yeah that's why they got colonised by a handful of random frogs.
english people know jackshit about the real, ethnically english kings, norman, plantagenet and tudor cucked.
>>1234063
Excuse me?
>>1234074
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_England#Governmental_systems
>>1234108
quoted wrong post my bad.
>>1234051
Sometimes I feel like it's just one Pollock or Frenchfag who spends all day on his.
>>1234231
Nah, because others chime in before the cooldown time a lot. I think it's just a bunch of 12 year olds who think that /gsg/ is representative of society as a whole and want to rebel.
>>1234437
I'm actually a second-generation welsh immigrant, I just think that the hate-boner for Germany is silly.
>>1234462
>implying Norway could've held England for any significant amount of time.
>>1234473
No, but they might have spread the seeds of their culture so that whenever England became independent again it followed a different path to the one it historically did making us much more similar to Scandinavia today.
Similar to how when the Normans conquered it the ways of the new Norman nobility became a mainstay that got integrated into English society (probably) sending it on a different trajectory than had it remained Anglo-Saxon.
>>1233981
Sure thing
>>1234462
That's ok, we're proud of you, daughter
>>1234479
Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian cultures didn't differ from each other that much. The inhabitants of the English kingdoms originated from the Denmark-North Germany-Netherlands area. They were very similar to begin with, and the Scandis influenced English culture and language a lot directly during the times of the Norse invasions. Remember, half of England was under Norse rule for a significant amount of time. I don't think a few decades more of strongly opposed Norwegian rule would have changed much. Norway was a piss poor low-population state during the Middle Ages, some continental monarchy (probably the French anyway) would have taken the isles from them sooner or later.
>>1234462
Don't worry, we're proud that you're our most successful colony. Though I must admit that I prefer Laos and Congo over you.
Howdy English servants!
Check it out, I'm made of prestige.
t. James
>>1234522
Most embarrassing thing being it wasn't even really France but just a fucking French duchy
>>1234533
of a duke that was stronger than the king himself
>>1234533
William also btfo the French king multiple times before invading England
>>1233886
>>1236558
>Who is Knut the Great
A guy who was only king for like 12 years and had one successor?
>>1234528
Congo was Belgian...
>>1236558
>lol the Normans weren't French even though they spoke French and had been deliberately intermarrying with the locals for two centuries
>oh yeah and the Normans were mostly Franks
>it's not like the fucking Bretons played an absolutely crucial role in the battle or anything
>>1236574
Still better than you'll ever do in life.
>>1233849
Britons >≥≥>> Normans ≥>>>>>>>>>>>>≥>>>>>>>>Saxons
>>1236600
>implying the Bretons are French
All Harold had to do was order his men not to chase the faggots down the hill and stand his ground or have cav
If Harold won that battle he would have been Harold the Great i'm sure.
we would all be talking like this still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVyXDYp60BE
Although for some reason the Normans were the start of greatness from these islands, after 1066 we really got our shit together
>>1238153
>we would all be talking like this still
No we wouldn't.
>>1233840
England would not have amounted to much if it had not been for Normans taking it from the south, like the Romans, hinging it to Europe, rather than being taken from the east or north, thereby locking it to dindu snowniggdom. It would've just been a Wales- or Faeroe Islands-tier shit hole.
>>1238153
>Although for some reason the Normans were the start of greatness from these islands
That's because the Kingdom of England was still consolidating, King Cnut had fucked things up a bit briefly but the kingdom was quickly becoming a powerhouse. Ultimately the 1066 invasion didn't have a negative or positive effect on the region.
>>1238153
>"Just order the Fyrd to do something"
Yeah, give an order to the plebs, surely they will listen.
>>1234465
Do you fuck sheep?
>>1237660
Normans >>>>>>>> Franks >> Saxons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brit*ns
Plus, Bretons formed a large contingent of Duke William's army.
>>1238393
Only when I visit family.
>>1238153
>All Harold had to do was order his men not to chase the faggots down the hill and stand his ground or have cav
He didn't. They charged without orders.
No, the years in-between 1069 and 1070 were the worst. The Norman Bastard and his troops laid waste to northern England, hence the Harrying of the North which caused an estimated 100,000 deaths.
From 1066 to 1154, England was fucked over by the Normans. Anglo-Saxon wealth and art was shipped off to the continent. English metalwork, ivory-carving, and other crafts were irrevocably lost. Then there's the Anarchy; one of the worst periods of English history where there was a warlord in every shire thanks to the political vacuum and in-fighting.
>>1236600
Bretons were definitely not French.
>>1238153
The problem was that Harold went to battle against the Normans too soon. He lost a lot of experienced huscarls at Stamford Bridge and had to resort to more fyrdsmen. They were also tired as fuck from the forced march that they did. If he waited a couple more days to rest his men and gather up more troops (including archers), the Normans would've lost for sure.
Or he could've swallowed his pride and taken his brother's suggestion in allowing the crops to be burned and pen the Normans up. Gyrth even proposed for himself to battle in Harold's place. If Gyrth won, all was good. If Gyrth lost, there's still Harold in charge to rally behind. That was why Hastings was devastating to the Anglo-Saxons; they lose the flower of their nobility as well as their king. There was nobody around to organize resistance as a leader after Harold's death.
>>1238471
>It is ironic that the descendants of Romano-Britons that fled to Armorica from the invasions of the Angles, Frisians, Jutes, and Saxons played a role in the Norman Conquest of England.
Agreed. I believe that the majority of Breton lords settled in Wessex.
>Personally, I think the Norman conquest of Sicily was far more interesting than England.
Also agreed. There were a lot more Norman knights fighting the Byzantines/Pope/Arabs than in England/Normandy.
>>1238508
He also left a large contiginent north
>>1238511
Quite a bit of those Bretons settled near Wales and Cornwall since it was where their ancestors were from.
The Normans may have been become French in all but name, but they had the wanderlust and daring spirit of their Viking predecessors. They shaped and defined the 11th and 12th centuries of Europe and the Near East.
>>1238516
No, those were the remnants of Edwin's and Morcar's troops after they lost Fulford Gate and didn't do jackshit after Hastings. Had Northumbria and Mercia lent its remaining strength to Edgar Athetling, the Bastard might have been repelled.
>>1238163
The language changed after the Norman invasion to this
>>1234074
>Norman
>Northman
>Frogs
My paternal family is Pan-British (except Wales, fuckin' sheepshaggers, and insignificant Islands like Jersey) and Breton. Am I direct product of the topic of this thread?
>>1241046
Cool projecting
>>1238546
>The Normans may have been become French in all but name
They were considered French even in name though. In the Bayeux tapestry, the opposing forces at Hastings are named 'Angli et Franci'.
The problem is, many people in the English speaking world don't like the French and idolize the Vikings (or rather the Hollywood version of the Vikings). So they are more confortable with the idea that the Norman conquerors were manly Vikings, not some puny Frenchmen.
>>1240569
>speak French
>live in France
>have land in France
>hold political titles in France
>not French
>>1243601
>have been intermarrying with the locals for more than one century
>led by a Duke who is mostly descended from French aristocracy
>Christians
>fight on horseback
>bring Breton and Flemish soldiers with them
They are clearly Scandinavian anon.
>>1243647
>>bring Breton and Flemish soldiers with them
I agree that the Normans are basically just French, but the Bretons are a celtic language speaking group, and the Flemish speak a Germanic language.
>>1233840
>>1233886
>>1233968
>>1233981
>>1238153
Can English>men get any more cucked?
You were literally christian Britons that got BTFO by paganic Scandinavians repeatedly to the point a lot of you assimilated. Then you got fucked over by formerly paganic Scandinavians who once again enforced on you their laws, rulers and superior culture.
Yet today you are screaming
>FUCKING NORMANS REEEEE
>PROUD WHITE ANGLO SAXON PROTESTANT COMING THROUGH
English patriots are either Brytonic patriots or turbo cucks worshipping their invaders.
>>1243691
Oh, yeah. French is really a blanket term. During the first crusade, so roughly 30 years after Hastings, the rather german Godfrey of Bouillon, southern French Raymond of Toulouse and Norman Robert Curthose were all quite different and speaking different languages, yet they all thought about themselves as French (according to the chronicles written at the time).
>>1243710
I suppose that makes the invading Normans turbocucks for adopting French customs, and most of France turbocucks for both adopting the name of their Germanic conquerors and losing their native languages to German bastardisation and then the near-destruction of the langues d'oc and other languages, even ignoring the Roman cucking of their original Romano-Gallic language.
In fact, you could extend that turbocuck label so far across Europe there'd hardly be single uncucked country left.
>>1245599
>yurope
>not universally cucked
>>1245628
I think once basically every country on the planet fits a definition it ceases to be an actual insult.
The biggest mistakes have been in the handling of Scotland.
Scotland should have been pushed to dominion status some time in the late 1800s or early 1900s. Retaining it as internal territory instead of moving to a different arrangement which retained our influence without keeping them glued to us was not a good idea.
>>1236558
WE WUZ
>>1238153
You'd probably speaking something like the Scots speak.
Scots is English with less French dilution, after all the Lowland Scots are just Anglo-Saxons that weren't conquered by the Normies.
Compare modern Scots vocabulary to Danish/Swedish/Norwegian. You'll where I'm coming from.
>>1236587
Check again
>>1247520
I wonder why the Anglo-Saxons ceded Lothian to Alba? That's the breadbasket of Scotland and without it, the Scots language wouldn't have developed.
>>1247490
Really fucked up when a picture of a homeless family becomes a meme for spoiled teenagers to post on the internet from their warm homes provided by their parents.
>>1247520
you;re wrong, Geordie is actually the closest to old english. Geordie heavily influenced scots english.
Geordie old english/scandi words
>gannin = going
>wor = we're
>bairn = child (still used in Norwegian)
>canny = good
> force = waterfall
> aye = yes
>alang = along
>auld = old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF4b2rpLXPc
This is more or less what old english would have sounded like.
>>1243580
The Bayeux tapestry was possibly made by Anglo-saxon monks.
>>1250147
The Danelaw split Bernicia and Lothian was isolated from the rest of its Northumbrian kin. And the Scottish Gaels had conquered the nearby Kingdom of Strathclyde so the English kings thought it best to let them take remote Lothian than squabble for it in bloody border conflicts.
>>1238153
>All Harold had to do was order his men not to chase the faggots down the hill and stand his ground or have cav
Firstly, real life warfare in any era isn't some Total War game where one man has complete control over every unit in his army. Harold had subordinates, and those subordinates had subordinates, and those subordinates' subordinates had subordinates. It just so happened that the sub-commanders under Harold were unwilling or unable to keep their men still in places; there wasn't much that Harold, as a man, could do about it.
Secondly, cavalry wasn't a part of Norse-style Fyrdmen formations. The cavalry-centric doctrine that defined medieval warfare arose from the feudal system that came about after the collapse of the Carolingian Empire, which encompassed precisely zero square meters of English soil. Even if Harold told his men to assemble cavalry formations, they'd mean precisely dick, and they'd be easily swept away by the Norman cavalry.
Just face it. The Normans had a better system. England was, and is, better off for the Norman invasion.
>>1250712
And a Norman, probably bishop Odo, William's half brother, payed for it and wanted it to tell the Norman side of the story. Which would show that he regarded himself as French.
>>1250609
>Geordie old english/scandi words
Huh? None of these words are Scandinavian
>>1250914
force = Fors
bairn = Barn
auld = Aldr
>>1251658
Force = Foss
Bairn = Barn(norwegian/swedish), Born(danish), Börn(Icelandic)
Auld = gammel(danish/norwegian), gömul(icelandic), gammal(swedish)
Auld is probably related to the Old Norse world "öld" which means age.
>>1250572
Oh spare us your bullshit morality, you wouldn't give two shits if it was a we wuz kangz pics with starving africans.
>>1243710
I'm not English faggot
>>1234074
> thinking normans are french not scandinavian
>>1250742
all harold had to do was wait and starve the normans out and possibly could have allowed the northern earls edwin and morcar to reinforce him
