White Slavery
I would like to talk about white slavery and find out what is just a /pol/ meme, what is reality.
With white slavery I mean:
"White slavery, white slave trade, white Slave Traffic and white slave historically refer to the enslavement of Europeans by non-Europeans, as part of the Arab, Barbary and Ottoman slave trade."
Does anyone know good sources about it that shed some light on it? If you google, you find a lot of dubious stuff and even things that seem to be influenced by (sexual/fetishistical) orientalism.
There was no "white slave trade"
There was an "infidel slave trade"
White people happened to be infidels
So were subsaharan Africans, southeast Asians
>>1232169
I am currently the slave of my wife's boyfriend, ask me anything
>>1232169
Read up on the Barbary corsairs
>>1232178
Have you donated your paycheck to Bernie yet this month?
>>1232190
I was going to, but Tyrone is voting trump so i am as well
>>1232169
>Janissaries
> Roman slaves
> ancient Greek slaves
> Most of POW in history
> Nazi Germany
Yea there were many white slaves in history. Ironical is that most of them had white owners.
>>1232206
>greeks
>white
>romans
>white
>germans
>white
>>1232180
Those dudes were assholes, they sailed all the way up to Iceland and the Faroe Islands and raided there. There's a story in the Faroe Islands where they came along and some guy cut a womans breasts off. Captain didn't like that though, so he had the guy flayed and gave the husband a pot of honey. So I guess that's something.
>>1232169
You realize that they weren't enslaved because of the color of the skin and weren't Chattel right? Like it wasn't inheritable unlike the North American system?
>>1233422
Fun fact, the raid on Iceland was led by an ex-Christian Dutchman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janszoon
>>1233431
baka @ dutchmen
Europeans are probably the most enslaved group of people in history if going by numbers, definitely the most enslaved group if going by per capita, especially if you count serfdom as real slavery. Of course this was mainly European on European slavery.
Some Europeans were subjected to chattel slaver as back as the 18th century.
>>1233415
Germans are white.
>>1233452
"no"
To even classify slavery by skin-color is ridiculous. Only, and ONLY, in America during a short period was slavery something that was related to skin-color. For the great majority of human history, it was not.
Fucking Americans and their cultural exports are causing this bullshit to spread.
>>1232169
http://solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/they-were-white-and-they-were-slaves-michael-a-hoffman-ii.pdf
A nice little book on the subject....
>>1233463
>Fucking Americans
Proud Yankee here. The saddest part is that it's not even most Americans. It just filthy dixieland degenerate hillbillies scumming it up on anonymous message boards because that's basically the last place on Earth where their presence is semi-tolerated.
Every once in a while you see racists put in a parade in America and then get BTFO by a parade of counter-protesters, often with over 10 times as many people.
They know how to be loud, angry, and long-winded about their beliefs but the majority of Americans aren't fooled and can't stand them, which is why I'm fine with the endless onslaught of SJW bullshit because its the chemo America deserves.
>>1234175
>michael-a-hoffman
>>1232178
>>1232190
>>1232200
Where did this narrative that white liberals are cuckolds to black men come from, anyway? Does it have any basis in reality, or is it the insecure rambling of those who need to feel superior at any cost?
>>1232173
Interesting. Are there any incidences of "infidel slavery" in Christianity or other religions? I'm surprised Muslims ever took prisoners. Why keep around an ideologically-poisonous person who you think is going to hell? Also, the way those guys in OPs pick are leering at her... are they really gonna stick their dick in hellbound flesh? That seems... kinda against principle. I mean, the won't even eat pork. Why fuck infidel? Why let infidel live on your property?
>>1234251
Masturbation fantasies of right-wing morons who can no longer distinguish reality from their own wishes and desires.
They're always the most flagrant hypocrites when it comes to other people's morality. Pic related
>>1234265
http://www.amazon.com/White-Cargo-Forgotten-History-Britains/dp/0814742963/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1464978145&sr=1-1&keywords=white+cargo
Je ne peux croire qu'il y ait des gens aussi stupides...
>>1234265
>Are there any incidences of "infidel slavery" in Christianity or other religions?
Yes
>I'm surprised Muslims ever took prisoners. Why keep around an ideologically-poisonous person who you think is going to hell?
The idea, not just for Muslims but all pre-modern slavery that allowed for eventual freedom and integration, was that by cutting off a slave from their previous culture and inundating them in a new, godly society, they would adopt the supposedly superior culture of their owners in time. Think of it like American views on integration in the 80's and 90's.
>Also, the way those guys in OPs pick are leering at her... are they really gonna stick their dick in hellbound flesh?
The painting was one of many others painted in Europe around that time period combining eroticism and orientalism.
>That seems... kinda against principle. I mean, the won't even eat pork. Why fuck infidel? Why let infidel live on your property?
Technically true, traditional Muslim thought looked down on interreligious sexual relationships even within an otherwise legal marriage or concubinage, assuming that the mother's heretical or infidel values will imprint on what would normally be free born Muslim children. But that's principle, and in pre-modern Middle Eastern history it rarely interfered with private affairs.
>>1234265
maybe they just want to exploit infidel
>>1233452
nice try Hans
>>1234265
Not every Muslim is now, or was then, a fanatical fundamentalist. There are, and always have been, plenty of moderates more concerned with the introspective aspect of Jyhad, or making yourself right with God, without needing to fucking slaughter everything. That's just a very biased understanding to think "Jyhad" is solely an outward war, or that it means you literally need to murder people.
>>1234283
cuck
>>1234368
>look, mom, I typed it again!
it’s important to note that the only large scale, real, racialized chattel slavery by which slaves were born not made was white people enslaving black people during colonization
>>1234251
>>1234283
>taking a joke literally
You might as well be cucks, liberals really do think being a doormat is morally righteous and demand everyone lie down with them. It stems from Rousseau's assumption that all humans are good and the belief you must be excessively trusting which is obviously not true.
How many times have 450 lb protestors screamed for an extra $10000 a year in their welfare checks while marching past homeless mentally ill and drug addicts who have never seen a penny from the welfare system?
We all know you are already guilty of this or something like this, it's true. Learn to laugh at yourself and stop taking yourself so seriously, learn to take criticism and admit when you are wrong. That is what decent people do.
>tedhaggard
no idea who this is, sounds like a meme you are using to pretend anyone who isn't part of your extremist group is a bad person and right wing
>>1233415
If greeks, romans and germans are not white then what are they you idiot?
>>1234251
>White liberal males are effeminate and frequently associate with blacks to prove how diverse and tolerant they are
>All women want masculine men
>Ergo the girlfriends of effeminate white liberal males will leave said effeminate white liberal males to be with masculine black males and the ELMs won't object because that would be rayciss
At least I think that's the rationale.
>>1234265
>Are there any incidences of "infidel slavery" in Christianity or other religions?
The slave trade was normal in christendom throughout the late antiquity/early medieval period but those slaves came from many faiths including christian. Later on the pope banned enslavement of christians with varying degrees of success, so from then on you could say there was an "infidel slave trade" in christianity. Describing the slave trade in such terms is kind of silly though.
>I'm surprised Muslims ever took prisoners. Why keep around an ideologically-poisonous person who you think is going to hell?
They didn't give a shit, they just wanted money and slaves are an easy source of money
>Also, the way those guys in OPs pick are leering at her... are they really gonna stick their dick in hellbound flesh? That seems... kinda against principle.
Islam has nothing against fucking war captives, and even if it did that wouldn't stop them. People always fucked slaves, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Chinese, Americans, everyone. Hardly anybody really gives a fuck about religion when it comes to it and they're definitely not going to give up dat ass over it.
>>1234224
It's not even about sjws versus /pol/tards, its about how modern American social categories and patterns are being retconned to apply to vastly different societies and times. It's an awful way of doing history but because of America's cultural dominance you see it everywhere.
t. Burger who specializes in mena history
Le niveau de ce thread est triste...des enfants de 15 ans qui ne connaissent rien a l'histoire...
>>1234416
>liberals really do think being a doormat is morally righteous and demand everyone lie down with them.
not true btw.
cuckoldry doesn't make sense from a liberal perspective. It's a thoroughly right-wing fetish.
>How many times have 450 lb protestors screamed for an extra $10000 a year in their welfare checks while marching past homeless mentally ill and drug addicts who have never seen a penny from the welfare system?
left wingers usually advocate for increased services for the homeless and addicts, so again not sure how this is relevant.
>We all know you are already guilty of this or something like this, it's true. Learn to laugh at yourself and stop taking yourself so seriously, learn to take criticism and admit when you are wrong. That is what decent people do.
"Just accept that I'm right because I say so and if you don't you're taking yourself too seriously"
>no idea who this is, sounds like a meme you are using to pretend anyone who isn't part of your extremist group is a bad person and right wing
lel what extremist group? It is an obviously retarded strawman but it's not like your post was any better. You're complaining about being compared to an extremist while calling that dude an extremist. Hypocritical.
>inb4 some retarded bullshit
I'm not even a leftist, not even american and I'm aware of the many faults that movement holds. Don't try your strawman shit on me.
>>1234416
>no idea who this is, sounds like a meme you are using to pretend anyone who isn't part of your extremist group is a bad person and right wing
He's the perfect example of a right-wing hypocrite who ranted all day long about degenerate liberals having gay sex all the time while secretly looking for it himself.
>Ted Arthur Haggard (born June 27, 1956) is an American evangelical pastor.... he was the founder and former pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado; a founder of the Association of Life-Giving Churches; and was leader of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006.
>In November 2006, male prostitute and masseur Mike Jones alleged that Haggard had paid him for sex for three years and had also purchased and used crystal methamphetamine.[1] Haggard denied having sexual intercourse with Jones, but admitted purchasing crystal methamphetamine, claiming he did not use the drug. A few days later Haggard resigned from all of his leadership positions. Grant Hass, who formerly attended New Life Church, has said that then-pastor Ted Haggard performed a sex act (allegedly masturbation) in front of him in a hotel room in 2006 and sent him explicit text messages.[2]
>After the scandal was publicized, Haggard entered three weeks of intensive counseling, overseen by four ministers. In February 2007, one of those ministers, Tim Ralph, said that Haggard "is completely heterosexual."[3] Ralph later said he meant that therapy "gave Ted the tools to help to embrace his heterosexual side." On June 1, 2010 Haggard announced that he intended to start a new church in Colorado Springs.[4] In a July 2010 interview with CNN, he confirmed that he has "completely shunned away any homosexual feelings he has had in the past."[5] In the February 2011 issue of GQ, however, Haggard said that, "probably, if I were 21 in this society, I would identify myself as a bisexual."[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard
>>1234416
>liberals really do think being a doormat is morally righteous and demand everyone lie down with them.
Right wing Christians are the ultimate cucks. While they're praying and being good little kissless dindus their girlfriends and daughters are fucking around behind their backs.
https://reproductive-health-journal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-4755-6-14
Not only are Evangelical and devout Catholic teen girls more likely to get pregnant and/or get an abortion, they're more likely to have sex irresponsibly and/or with multiple partners.
>>1232169
>White Slavery
The Greeks and the Romans were the first major white powers, that I'm aware of, that used slavery to fuel their economies, and the slaves they used were primarily whites from conquered European tribes.
>>1234664
>thinks religion has anything to do with women being whores
>>1232169
Mongols probably had a bunch of slaves. Shit, you got blonde mongolians today because they brought so many blonde women back to the steppes for a-rapin'.
>>1235149
There's a direct correlation in the data. Less informed women such as brainwashed Christards tend to make more idiotic sexual choices because they have no actual idea what the fuck they are doing.
Virtually the entire first generation of widely popular female porn stars had devout Catholic upbringings while the men were mostly Jewish. There's a reason "Catholic schoolgirl" is a code-word for "easily manipulated slut"
>>1235177
>Less informed women such as brainwashed Christards tend to make more idiotic sexual choices
>dumb women make dumb decisions
Wow, that's an amazing discovery, anon.
Regardless, the whore like propensity of women has nothing to do with whether or not they were indoctrinated in a religious cult or not, while it has everything to do with biology.
>>1235271
Reminder that atheists are subhuma
>>1235280
Which Jew cult fantasy do you follow, anon? The original, Jew-Fu II: Crucifixion Boogaloo, or are you down with the Mohammad Jews?
Perhaps you're more into the Oriental cults?
Enjoy your role playing, regardless.
>>1235368
>>1235271
>Regardless, the whore like propensity of women has nothing to do with whether or not they were indoctrinated in a religious cult or not, while it has everything to do with biology.
It has to do with what their culture promotes.
Fundamentalist Christian culture rewards women for unthinking obedience while punishing them for asking rational questions about their sexuality.
>>1235384
>It has to do with what their culture promotes.
Exactly.
If a culture doesn't promote, and implement, social controls on female biology and reproduction, then women will be more likely to whore away, because that's what they're wired to do.
There's a reason that teen pregnancy is higher in the west these days, and it's because the west essentially rewards women for making shitty decisions and getting pregnant outside of a marriage, by stealing tax dollars from fellow citizens to support the whore and her whore spawn.
When society shuts all that shit off and allows the whore, and her spawn, to starve and freeze to death, as they should, then chicks won't be so willing to allow any passing penis into their vagina whenever the mood strikes them.
Religious cults don't have shit to do with it...
>>1235411
>There's a reason that teen pregnancy is higher in the west these day
it's actually in decline
>>1235411
>If a culture doesn't promote, and implement, social controls on female biology and reproduction, then women will be more likely to whore away, because that's what they're wired to do.
In theory.
In practice it has the opposite effect: repressing them teaches them that their sexuality is something out of their control, something that they have to relinquish to a strongman who assures her that its for her own moral integrity. Over time social repression builds resentment, which provokes rebellion, and that means throwing their sexuality at the next strongman who knows that putting her down the way she was trained to take it is the secret to getting her to do what he wants.
The single most effective tool to stopping this sort of behavior is education. When women have greater agency over their minds and bodies they're more apt to treat it with respect.
>There's a reason that teen pregnancy is higher in the west these days, and it's because the west essentially rewards women for making shitty decisions and getting pregnant outside of a marriage, by stealing tax dollars from fellow citizens to support the whore and her whore spawn.
rates of teen pregnancy are higher among evangelicals and Catholics than among atheists and non-practicing Jews. Shitty Bible thumping states whose welfare programs have been gutted by Republicans have higher rates of teen pregnancy than states with a strong social support apparatus
>>1235457
>rates of teen pregnancy are higher among evangelicals and Catholics
You mean brown people.
Pic related....
>>1234338
Add to this, Muslims were of varying degrees of piousness. Some Barbery slave traders were terrified of the idea that their slaves might convert to Islam because that would send them to hell.
>>1235618
actually, the great lakes region has a larger percentage of "brown people" getting pregnant as teens, completely separate from the social problems plaguing the Bible belt
>>1234442
Not white
>>1234664
Oh my those regions do not correlate with poor mexicans and blacks as well.
>>1235838
Poor Mexicans tend to congregate in the south west, away from those regions, while poor blacks congregate not only in the bible belt but also in the great lakes region as well, and there is no correlation with the distinctly high rates of teen pregnancies that occur regardless of income level in the Bible belt.
>>1234446
Exactly this.
>>1234224
>I'm fine with the endless onslaught of SJW bullshit because its the chemo America deserves.
You have no idea what the SJWs are about then do you. If they weren't as bad they're getting there, and the long term effects that their marxist dogma will have can be devastatingly regressive if it takes. They encourage false narratives, racism, as well as censorship and are nearly religious in nature. the chemo this country deserves is a nationalist movement meant to unite. Not the hideous abomination of marxist justice meant to divide.
>>1232169
Also the English used the Irish as slavers on fishing boats in coastal US and Newfoundland
the first slaves to reach north america were the irish
>>1235411
>If a culture doesn't promote, and implement, social controls on female biology and reproduction, then women will be more likely to whore away, because that's what they're wired to do.
Evidence shows that literally the opposite is true in the US. When people call you a christcuck, they mean it literally.
>>1234265
It's a literally brainlet tier insult.
>>1234338
This. U.S. foreign policy from the 40's onwards allowed radical fundamentalists to take power in the Mid-East.
>>1234403
It is also important to note that it doesn't matter.
>>1234251
Liberalism in the United States has degenerated into acceptance of any demand that is seen as "empowering" towards special interest groups with a history of discrimination, such as blacks and women.
White liberals have no intellectual arsenal to refuse a black man to have sex with his wife or daughter. If he says no he doesn't want because he is jealous, then he is a misogynist patriarchist, if he says no because he is uncomfortable, then he is a racist white supremacist.
Without any moral legitimacy to impede cuckolding, it is obvious that black men and white women will take advantage of this to hold sexual relations.
>>1233415
Greeks were brown at that time. They loved blacks more than barbarian whites. Same with romans. White washing history are we?
>>1235156
>you got blonde mongolians today
Partly true, but don't forget all the Russian and German explorers who left their "footprints" in more recent times.
>>1235177
>Virtually the entire first generation of widely popular female porn stars had devout Catholic upbringings
Well, apparently they weren't devout enough.
>There's a reason "Catholic schoolgirl" is a code-word for "easily manipulated slut"
More like 'naive, inexperienced girl to be taken advantage of", not that it matters, though.
>>1235177
>There's a reason "Catholic schoolgirl" is a code-word for "easily manipulated slut"
Fedora tippers are bigots
Who cares
>>1236926
>>1234446
Could you imagine explaining these thoughts to a greater public?
>>1234480
Contribue ou ferme ta gueule.
>>1232169
Slavery in a nutshell: a lot of people were slaves, a lot of people made/had slaves. Nuff said.
>>1232190
>>1232178
epic meme :-)
>>1233452
>"Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation…and as few of the English understand the German Language, and so cannot address them either from the Press or Pulpit, ’tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they once entertain…Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it…I remember when they modestly declined intermeddling in our Elections, but now they come in droves, and carry all before them, except in one or two Counties...In short unless the stream of their importation could be turned from this to other colonies, as you very judiciously propose, they will soon so out number us, that all the advantages we have will not in My Opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our Government will become precarious."
>Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
- Benjamin Franklin
Germans can't integrate into white society.
>>1234310
>Technically true, traditional Muslim thought looked down on interreligious sexual relationships
What are you talking about? Muhammed took all kinds of sex slaves. Every general after him took hundreds or thousands of sex slaves after conquering a territory.
If you mean muslim women marrying someone of another religion, then obviously yes. But men were encouraged, although they were clearly discouraged to devalue non-muslim women.
>>1236837
>implying that American Christjews use control measures on their females
Females in the U.S. can do whatever the fuck they want, even the Christjew bitches.
What happens to them if they get pregnant? Nothing. Other than qualifying for YOUR money in tax subsidies.
The only people in the U.S. that might still have an impact on their females are the Muslims, because their men aren't a bunch of pussies the way most western urbanite "men" are these days.
>>1236820
The first slaves in north America were with the Spanish and they were black.
>>1234251
meme wise cuck was originally meant to insult RINO but /pol/ translated the meme to direct at liberals
>>1236928
I said they weren't white.
>>1234175
Québecon is that you ?
Go back to /fr/ you fucking faggot
What about the enslavement of Europeans by Europeans? Is that not white slavery?
>>1234403
Why don't you mention the African and Jewish roles in the slave trade? "White" wasn't even a coherent identity by the time the slave trade took off.
>>1236796
nationalism is literally the act of pitting one ethnic group against all the others.
SJWs encourage harmony among the ethnic groups and the tacit recognition that being born on a certain patch of dirt doesn't make you superior. They often go way overboard and are known for bouts of self-righteous zeal, but conservatives are guilty of the same sins in far greater proportion.
>Not the hideous abomination of marxist justice meant to divide.
You only perceive it as divide and conquer tactics because that's what they have been successfully using to drive dogmatic conservatism into the dustbin of history, and I approve of these tactics because movement conservatism has become so riven with groupthink and self-reinforcing stereotypes that they have become completely untethered from reality and needed a good primary shellacking like what they suffered at the hands of Donald Trump.
>>1238205
>SJWs encourage harmony among the ethnic groups...
No they don't.
They encourage the same shit that fascists encourage. Obey the party line. Deviate, and you will be outcast....unless you're a minority group, then you can be as bigoted as you want.
SJW's do nothing but confirm the fact that "tolerance" and "diversity" is 100% bullshit, and that today those are little more than excuses being used to grab power. They clearly demonstrate that the ONLY way to maintain any decent kind of society is to maintain an ethnically hemogenous society, so as to avoid all the bullshit associated with "diversity" and "tolerance".
>>1232169
Slavs were enslaved by arabs through Cuacusus and still have been enslaving.
>>1237031
>What are you talking about? Muhammed took all kinds of sex slaves. Every general after him took hundreds or thousands of sex slaves after conquering a territory.
I'm talking about the most common views of major Muslim theologians ranging from Ibn Hanbal to Al-Ghazali and Averroes. This may come as a surprise, but not everything ever said about Muhammad was taken as historical fact nor ethical law. Besides, the majority of these concubine stories were meant to highlight a mythological ancestor who converted within Muhammad's lifetime and presence that some later group or person claimed descent from.
Again, principle rarely interfered with private life especially among the Arab or early Muslim elite, many of whom also indulged in obscenities, alcohol, fortune telling, extravagance, and numerous other vices regardless of negative Islamic views on these actions.
>>1238283
>No they don't.They encourage the same shit that fascists encourage.
Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I must have been drunk and stoned when I saw establishment conservatives recognize that they needed to boost their outreach among minorities and women and the base told them to go pound sand.
>Obey the party line.
Resistance is futile, anon. Come over to the dark side, we have cookies and healthcare and QT3.14 asian girlfriends
>unless you're a minority group, then you can be as bigoted as you want.
Welcome to the feeling that comes when you're on the losing team and they're being sore losers about it. More people have been accosted by overzealous Christians in Target bathrooms than those who have been accosted by transgender people, which is half the reason why church attendance has been plummeting steadily since conservatives made religion a political statement and then had to be bleeding hearts about it
>They clearly demonstrate that the ONLY way to maintain any decent kind of society is to maintain an ethnically hemogenous society, so as to avoid all the bullshit associated with "diversity" and "tolerance".
No, they recognize that when you guarantee people's freedom and dignity you don't need a powerful government pitting people against one another.
>>1238205
SJWs encourage a mixing of ethnic groups, with the naive hope that hostility and friction can be eliminated. Nationalists seek to create a world of countries that individually are harmonious, and can pursue their own interests in a peaceful way.
>>1238205
I knew /his/ was reddit lite but god damn, I didn't think we had bona fide crazy SJW's on here.
Kindly fuck off back where ever you came from and stay there you cancerous faggot.
>>1238381
>SJWs encourage a mixing of ethnic groups, with the naive hope that hostility and friction can be eliminated.
The only hostility and friction is coming from white conservatives who are furious that being white is no longer a free pass to economic privilege.
>Nationalists seek to create a world of countries that individually are harmonious, and can pursue their own interests in a peaceful way.
Nationalism is a slippery slope that ends in one thing: weaponized Keynesianism: disparate countries using war as an economic booster, in essence exporting human misery on a convenient scapegoat, which only becomes feasible when you foster this culture of "ours" verses "theirs"
With that being said, nationalism is in fact preferable to movement conservatism, who at this point have become the useful idiots of international bankers and multinational conglomerates who use inversion tactics to screw laborers out of their wages.
>>1238337
>an SJW is shitting up a thread because he doesn't personally like the subject matter
SJW's once again attempting to silence free speech
>>1238498
That's right, /his/ is a place where you will be challenged to think. It's not a place where you can run out everyone who isn't drunk on /pol/ groupthink.
There are conservatives, liberals, nationalists, Christians, atheists, Muslims, Lost cause neo-confederates, free market libertarians, race supremacists, social justice warriors, right-wingnuts and conspiracy theorists. On the daily there are vibrant, active discussions among these groups and generally people try to keep things civil.
The only one making this discussion personal is you so kindly shut the fuck up and lurk moar. This isn't /b/ and this isn't /pol/ it's /his/
>>1238523
>SJW's once again attempting to silence free speech
at no point have I tried to discourage the discussion, but I am under no obligation to make it an easy one for you to have.
You only think I am because you have no rebuttal of substance to any of my points.
>>1238547
You haven't made any points that aren't the precanned buzzword arguments all SJW's make.
So kindly fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from and please stay there.
>>1238533
That would be a sound argument if you hadn't started the debate with a personal attack on southerners.
Sounds like you're just a butthurt yankee nigger using /his/ as anonymous reddit so you can rage against whitey.
>>1238563
>You haven't made any points that aren't the precanned buzzword arguments all SJW's make.
And you haven't made any points that don't sound like /pol/ talking points so maybe you'd like it better in a place where everyone thinks you're smart and funny, because you obviously didn't come here to put your beliefs to the test.
>>>/pol/
>>1234224
reddit please
>>>/reddit/
>>1238584
>I'll tell him to go back to /pol/, that'll show him!
You just keep exposing yourself as a butthurt liberal faggot that would be much better suited to reddit.
>>1238572
For the sole purpose of making you look like an idiot, I took a picture of the ring they gave me when I graduated from The Citadel, a place most famous for the cadets who fired the opening shots of the civil war, driving the Star of the West away from Fort Sumter, and the closing shots at Palmito Ranch.
I've always been proud of my southern heritage, but I am far more proud of my fondness for objective history.
>>1238617
I was perfectly happy discussing the facts in a rational, impartial manner until you started whining about it.
>>1238619
That ring looks like dogshit and I've never heard of whatever backwater shithole you graduated from. Congratulations on trying to impress strangers on the internet and failing.
Now please go be a self righteous prick elsewhere.
>>1238643
There are no facts in this thread. It was derailed after the first post and we've been having a /pol/ vs reddit debate ever since.
We could be discussing ottoman slave trade and how it affected europeans but instead leddit refugees have to start in with their anti-white nonsense.
>>1238663
Wow, you are one classy guy. I can tell by how bigoted and hateful you are.
my response was a perfectly rational response to the accusation of being a Yankee who hates southerners. I AM a southerner, just not one that drinks the lost cause kool aid.
>Now please go be a self righteous prick elsewhere.
You're just a sore loser
>>1234403
lmao who fucking cares nerd
>>1238680
Again with the self righteousness. You really seem to be more fit for reddit buddy. That attitude is more accepted over there.
>>1238673
>There are no facts in this thread. It was derailed after the first post and we've been having a /pol/ vs reddit debate ever since.
I played tit for tat, not making it personal until someone else went there first. And I'm not going to apologize for standing my ground.
>We could be discussing ottoman slave trade and how it affected europeans but instead leddit refugees have to start in with their anti-white nonsense.
I am so sorry that you had to be exposed to ideas different than yours.
Lets talk about how Caucasians were the first ethnic group emancipated by the Ottomans
https://books.google.com/books?id=TnVgKpqCxzQC&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>1238337
>I guess I must have been drunk and stoned when I saw establishment conservatives recognize that they needed to boost their outreach among minorities and women and the base told them to go pound sand.
When did this happen. Last time I checked, attempting to increase minority turnout among conservatives was still a thing.
>Resistance is futile, anon. Come over to the dark side, we have cookies and healthcare and QT3.14 asian girlfriends
Literally attempting to force me to compromise principle with trinkets and favored status.
>More people have been accosted by overzealous Christians in Target bathrooms
Citation needed, and quite frankly nobody cares.
> church attendance has been plummeting steadily since conservatives made religion a political statement
No, its because people are lazy and find the Christian way of life too difficult for them to follow amidst all the "comforts" materialism promises.
>they recognize that when you guarantee people's freedom and dignity you don't need a powerful government pitting people against one another.
And yet why is it that this "freedom and dignity" always comes on the back of a powerful government enforced mandate?
>>1238510
>being white is no longer a free pass to economic privilege.
Being "white" as a free pass to economic privileged has never been a thing. There are times where it has been necessary to advance economically in certain regions, but it has never been a guarantee.
>>1238740
You sound like a jackass Anon.
>>1234251
>Where did this narrative that white liberals are cuckolds to black men come from, anyway? Does it have any basis in reality
it's a meme
>>1234416
>gets told he lives in a fantasy world
>How many times have 450 lb protestors screamed for an extra $10000 a year in their welfare checks while marching past homeless mentally ill and drug addicts who have never seen a penny from the welfare system?
> liberals really do think being a doormat is morally righteous and demand everyone lie down with them. It stems from Rousseau's assumption that all humans are good
thx for the laff
>>1235149
he literally posted data that proved a correlation, are you autistic or something?
>>1235411
t. virgin
>>1238663
>Complains some anon is a butthurt yankee nigger attacking southerners
>Literally attacks a southerner like a butthurt yankee who doesn't know anything about the South
>>1232169
Muslims didn't specifically target white folks, although they did hold white women to be more beautiful than slaves from Africa or India or elsewhere. They just took a metric shit ton of slaves. From everywhere and anywhere. Anyone that wasn't Muslim was fair game, although they had vague notions that 'People of the Book' should be enslaved, this rule was regularly broken. Over a period of 1300 years, ending only in the 1960s (and truthfully ongoing to this very day, Mauritania is rife with slavery as are most of the countries on the Arabian Peninsula), they enslaved somewhere between 10 and 18 million people.
More Africans were probably enslaved in the Muslim world than were ever enslaved during the Atlantic Slave Trade. However, since they castrated the men there aren't many in the modern Middle East.
>>1239270
>had vague notions that 'People of the Book' should be enslaved
That should read "shouldn't be enslaved".
>>1238533
B T F O
>>1234265
It's enshrined in the Koran that it's A-OK to fuck a woman whom your right hand possesses. A slave, in essence. However, you're supposed to free them if they convert to Islam.
I'm pretty sure there's a passage in the Hadiths in which Muhammed actually encourages raping Christian women, conversion via the dick or something.
>>1239270
>Anyone that wasn't Muslim was fair game, although they had vague notions that 'People of the Book' should be enslaved, this rule was regularly broken
That wasn't it. The theory was that anyone living under Muslim law could not be enslaved or attacked, while those outside of it were subject to traditional rules of war which allowed for the taking of hostages and captives. As people are want to do, loopholes were exploited which led to the purchasing of slaves taken by other people and even the enslavement of free Muslims, Christians, and Jews who otherwise would be protected from enslavement but for some technicality (they no longer lived under true Islamic law, etc).
>More Africans were probably enslaved in the Muslim world than were ever enslaved during the Atlantic Slave Trade
Unlikely. Such estimates are made assuming very sparse records of trans-Saharan slave trading where a very notable, maybe even unique year, where a number of slaves survive the trip to the markets, are then taken to be a sort of yearly average despite there being no evidence such traffic was regular, let alone consistently high.
The highest number of enslaved Africans outside of the far better documented Atlantic Slave Trade would come from 19th and early 20th century African kingdoms and sultanates themselves.
>>1238918
>When did this happen. Last time I checked, attempting to increase minority turnout among conservatives was still a thing.
The right-wing base is coalescing around Donald Trump, who has run on a distinctly nationalistic platform and has eschewed movement conservatism. All of his opponent's accusations of him not being a "true conservative" have proven completely ineffective.
>Literally attempting to force me to compromise principle with trinkets and favored status.
that's what society is built on: when people work together they can have nice things and comfortable surroundings. That's why every body wants to live in the places with strong stable central governments.
>and quite frankly nobody cares.
Ted Cruz and "True" conservatives do.
>No, its because people are lazy and find the Christian way of life too difficult for them to follow amidst all the "comforts" materialism promises.
come down from that high horse. Church attendance is plummeting because it no longer provides effective solutions for people in desperate situations. Instead of compassion and mercy, they're shown derision and factually unfounded moralizing. It's become Jesus, Inc, a stark contrast to everything the man actually stood for.
>And yet why is it that this "freedom and dignity" always comes on the back of a powerful government enforced mandate?
Because that's the cost of living in an advanced society
If you want Jungle law so badly, go live in a jungle. There's nothing stopping you from leaving.
>>1234523
TRIGGER WARNING: I use a nono word which I have concealed in spoilers, although I do not respect your beliefs I will abide by them so as not to muddy the water
>cuckoldry doesn't make sense from a liberal perspective
The liberal perspective is collectivist social shaming, something you can see first hand by saying [spoiler]"fireman"[/spoiler] instead of "fireperson" or whatever sets them off these days. It is pretty much cuckolding without the sex.
>left wingers usually advocate for increased services for the homeless and addicts
>Just accept that I'm right because I say so
You don't have to believe liberals are not morally superior just because I said it. That is why I included ample proof. To be honest it is ludicrous that you are even demanding proof of something so obvious. It is like asking me to prove the sun is hot.
Actions speak louder than words. Consider all the liberals pushing for free contraception and other things before the more pressing issue of homelessness. Why did liberals trip over themselves to provide tents and hot meals for refugees before the homeless? How difficult would it have been to simply do the same for a few 1000 homeless alongside the millions of mostly male refugees who lied about their age?
I find it very difficult to believe you haven't witnessed this for yourself. What planet are you from? On what planet is free contraceptives because you lack the willpower to stop having sex or buy some yourself more important than getting some poor old dude out of the cold?
>>1234632
one of the few bad eggs and not someone the right defends
>>1234664
what does louisiana have the utah doesn't
>>1239198
>taking a joke literally
Obviously what really happens is liberals raise welfare to redistribute to themselves or potential voters while those actually in need get nothing. The obese protestors and the homeless person are just an example.
>>1239350
http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave
>Ronald Segal estimates a total of 11.5 million
>Raymond Mauvy estimates 14 million
>With a survival rate between 1 in 3 and 1 in 5 according to most sources, meaning somewhere between 34 million and 70 million deaths at most if we take those numbers to be accurate. The author of the page estimates 19 million assuming the same death rate as for the Atlantic Slave trade.
Regardless, the Atlantic slave trade was what, 9 to 13 million Africans arriving in the Americas? With a death rate of something like 3 for every 2 delivered? So somewhere between 13.5 million and 19.5 million deaths. Pales in comparison desu.
>>1235457
Slow down there, mate. Is that last line implying that welfare systems reduce teen pregnancy? Because that sounds like a bit of a stretch. I agree that demanding obedience creates somewhat of an opposite effect, but you're gonna have to prove that welfare stops teen pregnancy.
>>1238205
>nationalism is literally the act of pitting one ethnic group against all the others.
The problem with US Nationalism is that there are so many groups in the US that it is a mixture of nations. In this way, Nationalism in the US, and the concept of a nation, is fundamentally different than from the rest of the world that has had defined nations for centuries. Nationalist Americans, from what I understand, unite under the belief that you should help work towards the goal of a greater US that provides greater prosperity for all involved.
>>1239432
>Pales in comparison desu.
>How many people died in all the slave harvesting by Moslems over the centuries? I hesitate to estimate, but I think we can safely assume that at least 3 people died for every 2 living slaves delivered (similar to the death rate in the Atlantic trade), which comes to about 19M deaths. Keep in mind that the data is so spotty and the margin of error so wide that we can't honestly or definitively accuse either the Christian or Moslem slave trade of being worse than the other.
I recommend reading Lovejoy and Austen directly, desu.
>>1238205
>I approve of bullshit so long as it works towards my world view, and hurts people I dislike
When the barrel faces the other direction the word irony will light up over your head like a halo around an angel.
>>1239418
>what does louisiana have the utah doesn't
One has a governor who lists education, economic development, energy security, and infrastructure as the primary focuses of his governance.
The other has a "True" conservative presiding over one of the most badly preforming economies in the union.
>>1239453
only if you think public education is "welfare"
It's simply observing the data: liberal states have lower rates of teen pregnancy than conservative ones, even when adjusted for income level. When women are properly educated they are less inclined to make bone-headed choices. When boys are properly educated they're more inclined to be smart with their wieners. When you invest in people, they start acting like they have something to lose.
>>1239495
>Nationalist Americans, from what I understand, unite under the belief that you should help work towards the goal of a greater US that provides greater prosperity for all involved.
Frankly it's still a shit sandwich but at least its not a soggy old conservative one. At least nationalists can admit that the government has a purpose and can be put to good use in the hands of the right person.
Conservatives were elected on the premise that government is always bad and can never do anything right, and people are pissed because they got the government that they asked for.
>>1238205
>nationalism is literally the act of pitting one ethnic group against all the others.
No, no it isn't.
>>1239546
And I agree. I don't really consider public education to be welfare, though. When I hear welfare I think of things like Social Security, Medicare, welfare checks, etc. Education feels like its own category to a certain degree.
>>1238205
>SJWs encourage harmony among the ethnic groups
No, no they don't. They're exactly the opposite
>>1239566
I think Conservatives became popular in response to an expansion of social programs. Basically trying to cut back on something that people didn't like. I don't really know the history behind it, though.
>>1233443
Wrong. That honor belongs to Africans. The largest and longest lasting Slave trade in the world was the Arab slave trade.
>>1233463
Wrong. The first people to ever practice race based slavery were the Arabs and they did it against Africans.
>>1239597
>I think Conservatives became popular in response to an expansion of social programs. Basically trying to cut back on something that people didn't like. I don't really know the history behind it, though.
If there's one thing we learned from the 2016 primary season, it's that conservatives are not primarily motivated by ideology. They flocked to Donald Trump's banner of nationalism, which is in essence a re-branding of the Republican party away from a platform of strict conservatism.
>>1234403
You are wrong as fuck. The arab slave trade was far larger and lasted way longer
>>1236820
Irish were never slaves. The English exploited them, they weren't captured and forced into slavery
I really wish Hiro bans the yanks from ever posting on this board. You are not only retarded when it comes to World history, but you drag your stupid agendas in legit discussions. Fucking idiots.
>>1239622
>That honor belongs to Africans. The largest and longest lasting Slave trade in the world was the Arab slave trade.
Yeah, but in the 17th century Muscovy had more serf peasants than the entire Arab slave trade had slaves in it's existence
>>1239270
Wrong. They enslaved between 140 - 200 million Africans during the Arab slave trade, but only around 20 percent ever made it to their destinations The other 80% died in transit. Contrary to slavery carried out by the Europeans, the Arabs took females at a 2:1 ration compared to males. The females were mostly servant and sex slaves, while the men were sold as soldiers. They also never allowed a diaspora to take hold, if they did, the demographics of the middle east would look very different today
>>1239656
>140 - 200 million
U wot? Sources that i've read say the number is more like 10-20 million
>>1238510
>The only friction is from white conservatives
Well okay, then that includes men like Malcom X, and Muhammad Ali were white conservatives. I wasn't aware that the black power movement was actually supportive of unifying us, or alternatively fell into your categorization of white conservatives. I wasn't aware that it was the white French conservatives who created muslims communities were sharia law is enforced within their otherwise secular country to separate them. Your globalist integration has been opposed by every group with a unique cultural identity to preserve, whatever their ideology or ethnicity; you come off to most as being an imperialist for some fantasy utopia. Racial and ethnic tensions are never completely one sided.
How do you could explain studies like this?
http://politicalscience.ku.dk/staff/Academic_staff/?pure=files%2F130251172%2FDinesen_S_nderskov_Ethnic_Diversity_and_Social_Trust_Forthcoming_ASR.pdf
Doesn't that suggest that our own tendencies run against your globalist integration naturally?
Also, I agree that most modern conservatives are useful idiots, but must say that the same can easily be said for most who support globalism and the rejection of national borders, which is used to flood the labor market and drive down it's value, making everyone just that much more replaceable; pic related is too common an occurrence. Similarly they often point out corruption in government is and in the next thought support an increase in government power.
>>1239626
Politicians on either side that have been in the system for long enough will change beliefs when they become unpopular in order to hold power. There is a core ideology to each person, and secondary ideologies. If one could undermine a secondary ideology of theirs in order to promote a core ideology they would gladly do it. Conservatives rallying around Trump is a classic example of the abandonment of a secondary ideology in order to protect a core ideology.
>>1239651
Those weren't slaves though. Serfs worked the land in exchange for food and housing, they were allowed to leave and weren't treated as slaves
>>1239665
Serfdom is slavery.
>>1239662
Nope. That's for the number that reached the markets. You have to realize the Arabs literally took over East Africa, and either killed or castrated the men, with the help of African kingdoms that converted to Islam, and made their way to West Africa. They didn't view Africans and humans and didn't care if they lived or died in transit.
>>1239672
No, its not. Serfs are allowed to leave, slaves aren't. Serfs worked the land for food and housing.
>>1239677
Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery
Article 1 - The parties commit to abolish and abandon debt bondage, serfdom, servile marriage and child servitude.
Article 2 - The parties commit to enacting minimum ages of marriage, encouraging registration of marriages, and encouraging the public declaration of consent to marriage.
Article 3 - Criminalisation of slave trafficking.
Article 4 - Runaway slaves who take refuge on flag vessels of parties shall thereby ipso facto attain their freedom.
Article 5 - Criminalisation of the marking (including mutilation and branding) of slaves and servile persons.
Article 6 - Criminalisation of enslavement and giving others into slavery.
Article 7 - Definitions of "slave", "a person of servile status" and "slave trade"
Article 9 - No reservations may be made to this Convention.
Article 12 - This Convention shall apply to all non-self-governing-trust, colonial and other non-metropolitan territories to the international relations of which any State Party is responsible.
The UN says serfdom is slavery.
>>1239673
Where are the sources? I'm having hard time believing those numbers.
>>1239679
No it doesn't lol Serfs may have been treated like shit, but they still had rights under their king/lord or whatever, and the big thing, they were allowed to leave. They weren't slaves, that's why they aren't referred to as slaves.
>>1239679
The name "serf" even derives from Latin "servus", slave.
>>1239682
Read the book The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa
>>1239686
>No it doesn't lol
Yes it does.
>Article 1 - The parties commit to abolish and abandon debt bondage, serfdom, servile marriage and child servitude.
>Article 1 - The parties commit to abolish and abandon debt bondage, serfdom, servile marriage and child servitude.
Serfdom is a form of slavery, this is a commonly accepted fact.
>but they still had rights under their king/lord
So did Roman slaves, especially at later Empire era.
>they were allowed to leave
Only with the permission of their lord.
>They weren't slaves, that's why they aren't referred to as slaves.
>>1239686
>>1239686
This is a common historical fact you dunce.
>>1239697
Holy shit lol serfdom and slavery are two different things. A quick google search will tell you that. Serfs had rights
"The serf, by contrast, was a free man except for the obligations he owed to his lord and the rights his lord claimed over him. Both servile obligations and noble rights could be very extensive, but since the serf was a living creature with a soul, they could not be unlimited. The master could not deny his serf the amenities of the Church, work him on holy days, or demand actions of him that were immoral. As a living creature, the serf had the rights accorded him by natural law. He could resist a lord attempting to take his life or one attempting to withhold the necessities of life from him and his."
>>1239715
>Article 1 - The parties commit to abolish and abandon debt bondage, serfdom, servile marriage and child servitude.
>The term 'forced labor' is also used to describe all types of slavery and may also include institutions not commonly classified as slavery, such as serfdom, conscription and penal labor.
>not commonly classified as slavery, such as serfdom
>A quick google search
Will prove you wrong, pic.
Serfdom is a form of slavery. Maybe not as bad as some other forms, but every country in the United Nations has agreed that Serfdom is a form of slavery.
>>1239721
Guess we view slavery as different things. Agree to disagree.
>>1239721
also some European languages from places that did not practice serfdom, Finland + the Nordics call it slavery.
Maaorjuus = Land Slavery (finnish)
Träldöm = thralldom (swedish)
>>1236903
The British during WW1 were more complicit, in their support of Sunni Arab radicals to dismantle the more secular Ottoman state.
>>1238510
>With that being said, nationalism is in fact preferable to movement conservatism, who at this point have become the useful idiots of international bankers and multinational conglomerates who use inversion tactics to screw laborers out of their wages.
>international bankers
Ah, another Jewish conspiracy theory being repackaged as enlightened liberation of the poor workers. Fantastic.
>>1239405
>>And yet why is it that this "freedom and dignity" always comes on the back of a powerful government enforced mandate?>Because that's the cost of living in an advanced society
>If you want Jungle law so badly, go live in a jungle. There's nothing stopping you from leaving.
Seriously? When did 'dignity' become a human right that needed to be enforced by the government?
>>1239418
You're too obvious, bro.
>>1239792
>Seriously? When did 'dignity' become a human right that needed to be enforced by the government?
The concept of a human "right" dates back to medieval Catholic monks bickering over what the "right way" to treat someone is. That understanding changes all the time, especially as humans have grown more informed.
In this era of big data we've proven that when humans are deprived of dignified living with respect to the other humans around them, they are more apt to disruptive behavior, to lash out and commit crimes, to rebel against authority and support whichever silver tongued demagogue strokes their ego and promises them victory and wealth. Their attitude becomes "why should I care about a system that doesn't care about me".
>>1239845
>The concept of a human "right" dates back to medieval Catholic monks bickering over what the "right way" to treat someone is. That understanding changes all the time, especially as humans have grown more informed.
Thanks for answering a question I didn't ask.
>In this era of big data we've proven that when humans are deprived of dignified living with respect to the other humans around them, they are more apt to disruptive behavior, to lash out and commit crimes, to rebel against authority and support whichever silver tongued demagogue strokes their ego and promises them victory and wealth. Their attitude becomes "why should I care about a system that doesn't care about me".
>when humans are deprived of dignified living with respect to the other humans around them
Dignified meaning what?
And how much worse off (in terms of 'dignity at least) is one human allowed to be compared to another before his human rights are violated and the situation requires government action?
>>1239878
>Thanks for answering a question I didn't ask.
It's called context. You ask a question about human rights, I think it's important to clarify what we mean by a "right", especially given certain groups' fondness for wanting to treat them as axiomatic abstracts divorced from concrete reality.
>Dignified meaning what?
>Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Preamble to the universal declaration of human rights.
>And how much worse off (in terms of 'dignity at least) is one human allowed to be compared to another before his human rights are violated and the situation requires government action?
Those questions are the reason why we have courts and judicial systems, because these are things that need to be defined on a case by case basis.
>>1234224
>White guilt: the post
>>1239915
>Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
>Preamble to the universal declaration of human rights.
That didn't answer my question at all. I wasn't asking how it could be considered a human right, or anything of that nature. I was asking what does 'dignity' actually mean, not for you to use it in a sentence.
>Those questions are the reason why we have courts and judicial systems, because these are things that need to be defined on a case by case basis.
Don't weasel out of this. You were just shitting on both movement conservatives an nationalists for not ensuring human dignity.
Where (in your opinion) is the line drawn?
>>1234442
Finns
I think it's abundantly clear SJWs = kekservatives for everyone with half a working brain. Lolbertarians are slightly worse than both groups.
>>1238619
>An SJW drone shows off a replica ring "he" bought ebay
>we're supposed to be impressed
kill yourself
>>1239973
>I think it's abundantly clear SJWs = kekservatives for everyone with half a working brain. Lolbertarians are slightly worse than both groups.
t - male feminist, antifa warrior, and proud stepfather of three
>>1239981
Do you know how I know both your political ideologies are fucked? Because you have the "if you ain't with us you're against us" mentality. Both you and the faggy SJWs. You're abrasive and aggressive and need to peddle your stupid ideologic points everywhere, and people don't want that. None of you retards realize every time you start some shit, you're making the other side gain followers. This way you're feeding off each other, only the SJWs have some loose media control and some fag academia retards sucking on the Marxist tit, but that's gonna be over soon too. Don't worry tho, people don't want you faggots in power any more than they want transtrotskist gommies, but maybe, just maybe, someone will line up both you and them up and have you fight gladiatorial matches. To the death. At least then you'd be funny. Now go mastrubate to some blacked porn you degenerate retarded yank.
>>1240004
>le both sides as bed as each other
>If you say or do anything against the SJWS that make you as bed as them
Neck yourself, you white guilt retard
>>1239981
>not knowing how "t." works
Man are you people stupid. SJWs are fucking nuts but you're just stupid.
>>1239977
>replica ring
oh yes, you got me. I keep it around solely for the purpose of trying to fool innocent southerners that I'm not a yankee blowhard when I tell them that lost cause business is a load of bullshit. It's like my decoder ring for dipshits.
You should be a private investigator, anon, you don't let any conspiracy get past you.
>>1234403
It's also important to note that slavery is literally older than fire or the wheel, and it was white people who ended it. Not the Polynesians, or the Jews, or the Africans or the Chinese or Arabs. White people get credit for ending slavery, nobody else.
And in America the bloodiest, most catastrophic event in our history was a war fought to free the slaves. White Americans fought that war.
The idea that whites are racist or have some type of original sin on account of their birth is completely absurd. They owe nothing to anybody.
>>1239981
>t - male feminist, antifa warrior, and proud stepfather of three
t. 16 year old who can see the world for what it REALLY is
>>1240014
Are you trying to prove my point or something?
>>1234442
Greeks and Romans were definitely white but they imported too many foreigners and that's why they eventually collapsed. Demographics is destiny.
>>1240014
You're proving him right you fucking mong. You're literally doing the exact same thing SJWs are, and don't even know it. How stupid are you?
>>1235280
Christianity is a Jewish trick. White religion is blood and soil and heroism.
>>1239963
>I was asking what does 'dignity' actually mean, not for you to use it in a sentence.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dignity?s=t
>Don't weasel out of this.
You want simplistic answers to complex questions, I'm telling you there are none. Human dignity is a complex issue with many variables and factors, the question that we're (still) trying to answer is how to build a more perfect union, and that means addressing problems that are larger than what can be provided by the private market (as movement conservatives would have us believe) or even individual nation-states can provide (as nationalists would).
>Where (in your opinion) is the line drawn?
Totalitarians think in such terms. I think people should be free to draw their own lines, provided they aren't bringing harm to others. The details get worked out in the courts, and every one pays towards the upkeep and future investments of society in proportion to what they are able to pay.
>>1240045
OK, let's see
>if you ain't with us you're against us
Check
>you're abrasive and aggressive
Check
>need to peddle your stupid ideologic points everywhere
Check
>None of you retards realize every time you start some shit, you're making the other side gain followers
I'm not becoming a Marxist when one of you Trumpfags starts strawmanning me and sperging out like a moron, but you bet your pimple-ridden ass there's a couple of normies who do.
Again I'm asking, how are you different from SJWs? You are literally using the exact tactics and are just as annoying.
>>1240060
>you are just as bad as us SJWs if you stand against any part of our SJW ideology
SJW """""""""""""""""arguments """"""""""""""""" everybody
>>>/leftypol/
>>1240045
>my /pol/ cuck memery IS my opinion!
>That means you're stifling my freedom of speech
>fucking regressive left REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>1240082
What a spastic you are lad. How's acne treating you? Careful, don't huff and puff too hard, all those zits might pop at once
>>1240082
Dear God you are such a fucking whiner
We don't like white scum here. Whites are just upset by any sign of losing their privilege.
>>1236928
>>1240091
Oh yeah, forgot to add that
>whining
Man, they are literally the other side of the coin. I'd still love to see a deathmatch between a fedora Trumpfag and transtranscendental landwhale
>>1232169
Does /his/ like Type O Negative?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2crkxAwfeQ
>>1240108
Get out, whitey. You have literally EVERY space and PoC can't even have ONE??? Kill yourself you white piece of shit. Racist white bastard.
>>1240103
>muh trump
Is he too pro white for you, berniecuck?
>americans trying to discuss history
>it ends up being a shitflinging trump/bernie """discussion"""
>>1240112
Does shitposting /pol/ memes give you a hard-on lad?
>>1240116
cis white scum detected
>>1240128
Good get out cracker
>>1240138
Fuck off SJW
>>>/leftpol/
>>1240138
No no don't worry i'm not white!
>>1240123
At least I don't get a hard on from cuck porn like you, /leftypol/
>>1240173
>implying /pol/fags don't watch and enjoy cuckporn
There is a reason why you guys are obsessed with nigger dicks.
>>1240173
>At least I don't get a hard on from cuck porn like you, /leftypol/
cuck porn is a /pol/ fetish. That's how the cuck meme started, from polacks watching cuck porn.
Cuckoldry feeds off of racist and sexist stereotypes as well as a deep sense of self-loathing and bitterness which is why it's so popular among /pol/acks
>>1240145
>Look who figured out how to shitpost with two devices in order to draw attention away from his samefaggery.
Did you actually want to talk about the slave trade in the Ottoman empire or are we too far past that?
>>1239679
Serfdom was essentially or primarily a restriction on the freedom of movement.
>>1239663
> Malcom X, and Muhammad Ali
Give me a break. Militant black power movements have been defunct for over 40 years. You might as well start complaining about hippies and communists.
>How do you could explain studies like this?
That nobody says integration is going to be easy?
>>1239637
ever heard of Cromwell?
>>1240044
Gay nazi fedora tipper identified.
Blood and soil, bombastic 19th century nonsense too silly for comic books.
>>1232173
Moslems tended to prefer Causasian slave girls. They used blacks mostly for labor and to resell to other bidders. Anyone who has taken African American history knows the industrial slave trade was started by the Arabs to begin with. But they kept the good looking ones for themselves ;)
>>1241005
source
>>1239405
>The right-wing base is coalescing around Donald Trump, who has run on a distinctly nationalistic platform
>Le Donald is a raciss meme
Donald is a nationalist who wants to break ethnic identity and make everyone American. Period. He is not excluding nor demanding the minorities shouldn't vote for him. He is asking for them to vote for him, and he goes to great pains to say that he wants their vote. And last time I checked the minorities do in fact attend his rallies.
>that's what society is built on
Societies are not built on compromising principles. They are built are establishing principles and zealously defending them.
>Ted Cruz and "True" conservatives do.
I was more referring to the overzealous Christians assaulting people. Also still waiting for that citation.
>come down from that high horse.
No you get down from yours. You and your intellectual friends may have found this "Jesus Inc." to be against everything "He actually stood for," but the number one reason I hear people not going to Church is
1) I ain't waking up early for that. Too tired.
and
2) I feel weird going to Church after I've done such bad things.
>Because that's the cost of living in an advanced society
You misunderstood my point. I was referencing how you derided strong arm tactics to establish a goal of the nationalists, yet it is strong arm tactics which establish the goal of the progressives.
>>1240059
>people should be free to draw their own lines
>The details get worked out in the courts
If you are implying that each separate instance of a situation involving "a breach of dignity" deserves its own separate and unique judgement you are fully misunderstanding the Common Law system.
Also
>how to build a more perfect union
There is a very large portion of the united states that does not want "a more perfect union" and finds the notion of a greater union disgusting, and an even greater portion who do not give a flying fuck about "perfect union." Most people if they have a decent house and job, wouldn't give a flying fuck what other people think, do or care.
>>1238205
>SJWs encourage harmony among the ethnic groups and the tacit recognition that being born on a certain patch of dirt doesn't make you superior. They often go way overboard and are known for bouts of self-righteous zeal, but conservatives are guilty of the same sins in far greater proportion.
4/10 you got a fair amount of (you)s
>>1241196
>Donald is a nationalist ...
But he is not doing so using a platform of strict ideological conservatism. the right wing base doesn't actually care that he's a screaming liberal by "true" conservative standards.
>Societies are not built on compromising principles. They are built are establishing principles and zealously defending them.
You obviously don't know much about the founding fathers or the sheer amount of work that went into unifying 13 separate colonies.
>I was more referring to the overzealous Christians assaulting people.
I think you're changing the subject.
Also still waiting for that citation.
I'm still waiting for about 20 or so. Certain individuals in this thread felt it more prudent to unleash the ad hominems rather than answer my difficult questions.
But since you need me to help you re-establish a connection with reality
http://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/04/08/many-christians-obsessed-bedrooms-bathrooms/
http://www.towleroad.com/2016/05/transgender-target/
http://www.newnownext.com/watch-trans-person-confront-rabid-christian-shouting-slurs-in-target/05/2016/
http://deadstate.org/loud-mouthed-christian-target-bathroom-protester-gets-owned-by-transgender-customer/
Find me one police report of women or children being attacked in a Target bathroom by a transgender. A google search on "transgender attacks on women" showed a bunch of hate crimes committed against them.
>1)
>and
>2)
it's that kind of ignorant moralizing shit that's driving people away from the church. Rather than actually figure out what their problems are and try to genuinely help them, you detach and point fingers and sow discord. You see the decline of your values and way of life and rather than adapt to circumstances, you fantasize about taking society down with it. That's why Christians have become so fatalistic and apocalyptic these days, their churches are no longer places of joy, they've become places for cynical profit, social domineering and reality denialism.
>>1241245
>If you are implying that each separate instance of a situation involving "a breach of dignity" deserves its own separate and unique judgement you are fully misunderstanding the Common Law system.
I'm saying that you're trying to break down something complicated into something grossly oversimplified. If human rights were so axiomatically obvious, there wouldn't be this multi-centuries long running dialogue about them. We guarantee those rights with the rule of law, and we maintain a system of checks and balances that can generate and interpret new laws as circumstances present themselves.
Pic related.
>There is a very large portion of the united states that does not want "a more perfect union" and finds the notion of a greater union disgusting, and an even greater portion who do not give a flying fuck about "perfect union." Most people if they have a decent house and job, wouldn't give a flying fuck what other people think, do or care.
That's patently false. Only lost cause neo-confederate sore losers have a problem with America as a united nation, and that's not even most of the state. Even in Texas, the place with the most pronounced independent streak in the union, the secession vote gets smacked down every time by wide margins.
>>1238533
why is he wearing gloves?
>>1232206
Tbh, Janissaries and Mamelukes were somewhat different compared to traditional slavery. These guys ended up being rulers or influencing the state more than the ruler of the state.
>>1240026
Source?
>>1240454
>give me a break
not an argument
>>1239677
You have it backwards. Serfs were bound to their lands, and so couldn't abandon them or be evicted without cause, and couldn't be bought and sold, except in that you buy and sell the land they're bound to. Slaves could be sold or moved around whenever their owner wanted.
>>1243700
neither is fearmongering and false equivalences over groups which haven't been active in many decades
