Hey /his/, I found this in my grandfather's stuff and I'm curious as to it's origin and meaning. I was hoping you guys can help me out.
Already tried /wsr/ but they had nothing on it.
>Pic related
The back.
Also I'm fine if it isn't something big, just curious.
Just an elaborate Christian necklace. It has the Catholic cross and the the chi rho symbol on it, which are just the two first letters of Christ's name in Greek. The A and the omega or alpha and omega are common symbols too. Not sure about the 4 letters at the outside ends of the cross.
It just means your grandpa was a christian and liked showing it through the wearing of jewelry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho
>>1224179
Thank you anon!
>>1224166
Your grandpappy was a Knights Templar. Coolio bro.
>>1224224
Looks nothing like their cross.
>>1224179
>Not sure about the 4 letters at the outside ends of the cross.
In
Hoc
Signo
Vinces
>>1224179
The chi ro was already a symbol of good luck before Christ.
your gramps was a chaos worshipper
>>1224166
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross_of_Constantine
Your grandfather was a freemason.
>>1224374
Doesn't look like one of our jewels, though. As in, one for the Order.
>>1224166
Emperor Constantine said he had a vision of a Chi and a Rho flanking the sun, and took it to mean that he should go to war and spread Christianity by the sword, which is obviously a pagan dream, and quite obviously exactly the opposite of what Jesus had said and taught.
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, and this guy >>1224347
gave you the outer ring of letters: In this sign you will conquer."
I see nothing that is not basic standard Roman paganism in this medallion.
>>1224166
It's from his gentleman's club.
>>1224835
>took it to mean that he should go to war and spread Christianity by the sword
No, he interpreted it as though God was going to protect him in the upcoming battle. As thanks, he then spread Christianity, but not by the sword.
>>1224835
>took it to mean that he should go to war
Constantine was already fighting a war and about to go into battle when he saw the sign.
>>1224835
To bad it worked. That's what Constantine taught.
I just found this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Military_Constantinian_Order_of_Saint_George
The medaillion is an exact copy of their cross. Is your grandpa from a region where they are active?
![RCC-breastjewels[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/F0DnRVY.jpg "RCC-breastjewels[1].jpg")
>>1224900
And the RCC.
>>1224847
Yes, the sun god, as Constantine was a sun god worshiper like his father before him, and a patron of the temple of Apollo.
>>1224890
The holocaust worked too.
>>1224910
Almost, but those don't have the Alpha and Omega sign on them.
>>1224922
>Yes, the sun god
No, what he described as the Christian God.
>>1224936
Constantine never knew God; he worshiped Apollo.
Er, unless you think Apollo is God.
>>1224948
Are you being intentionally retarded? He didn't formally convert until his deathbed, but he credited the victory against the numerically superior Maxentius at the Milvian Bridge to [The God of the Christians], which led to promulgating Christianity and the Edict of Milan.
>>1224971
>He didn't formally convert until his deathbed,
And not even then.
So no, I'm being precise, not "intentionally retarded" as you have ADMITTED he was never a Christian in life.
And the person who supposedly led him to Jesus on his deathbed?
Arius.
kek
Constantine is in hell.
>>1224971
>God needs help to win battles.
Keep thinking that, heathen. Keep thinking that.
>>1224835
Fuck I hate Protestants. I'm not even a Christian but I can at least respect the theology and philosophy behind the apostolic traditions. Protestants on these boards however always show themselves to be uncritical divisive fucks with no understanding of civility or nuance.
>>1224976
>Derailing a thread to claim a guy who is personally responsible for Christianity's existance is in hell
Fuck off this thread is about OP's medaillion.
>>1224985
Asked and answered. By me. Above.
Read the thread.
>>1224976
>So no, I'm being precise
You're not. Just obtuse.
>as you have ADMITTED he was never a Christian in life.
Not quite. He himself claimed to be Christian after Milvian Bridge, but he didn't get baptised until later.
>And the person who supposedly led him to Jesus
Christ, apparently. In vision.
>>1224977
That is not even remotely what i said.
>>1224995
Ah, I see. You too have absolutely no idea how one becomes a Christian. Just like all Catholics.
>>1224995
>Christ, apparently. In vision.
Wow, you are a slow learner.
The vision was a Chi and a Rho flanking the sun.
He worshiped Apollo.
Apollo is the Sun God.
2 + 2 = 4
>>1224989
Except your answer was wrong. Either way, get the fuck out then.
>>1224984
The problem is that none of that is true, but you keep repeating yourself to it because your reductionist view of Christianity has convinced you that any attempt to work out the intricacies of faith is somehow anathema to God (protip: it's not) so instead you parade around this false ago l absolutist worldview that falls laughably flat of God's providence.
>>1225006
Prove it's wrong.
>>1225013
I do, and I am saved, thanks for your concern. If you're not a papist, it would do you well not to speak as one, and be as one.
Constantine died a pagan sun god worshiper, and the Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with Jesus whatsoever. The current pope stands in the shoes of Constantine, not Peter.
They may as well be worshiping the sun.
>>1225017
It's from God Himself.
For Jesus, or Against Jesus.
Pick one.
Your sophistry doesn't even impress 4chan users; do you think it impresses God?
>>1225066
>It's from God Himself.
No, you only THINK it's from God Himself because your shallow worldview says it is, without understanding what actually IS from God.
>>1225062
>it would do you well not to speak as one,
How was i speaking as one?
>and be as one
Not a fan of them, but nothing too wrong with their particular branch. Just the organisation which is an issue.
>Constantine died a pagan sun god worshiper
Maybe. But he is recorded as having converted and been baptised.
>and the Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with Jesus whatsoever.
Pretty sure it does.
>>1224351
Well then maybe his grandaddy got that necklace before Christ.
>>1225087
It's from God Himself.
Luke 11:23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
Your days of being an idiot are numbered.
>>1225090
By using the Catholic term "Protestant" to describe Christians. There have been Christians since Pentecost 32 AD, while there have only been Roman Catholics since 325 AD. About 500 years ago, one of them pitched a fit at how evil they were, and they excommunicated him. Maybe you've heard of him, that little Catholic friar, Martin Luther.
Papists say we all stem back to him, because papists are both evil and retarded.
There is no record of his conversion but for the word of the known heretic Arius, himself a heathen. So no, a blind man cannot lead another blind man; they just both fall into the pit.
The RCC is all about the RCC. They wouldn't know Jesus if He came down to rapture all the saints in the world.
And won't.
>>1225116
>By using the Catholic term "Protestant" to describe Christians.
I didn't, though. You seem to be referring to another poster. Nothing wrong with using it, Catholic, or Orthodox, though. They're specifically general terms.
>There is no record of his conversion but for the word of the known heretic Arius, himself a heathen.
Wait, are you Catholic or not? And his Christian mother Helena was probably a big influence on his conversion, and he wrote to other Christians of his conversion.
>The RCC is all about the RCC.
True enough, but the current Pope is pretty good.
>>1225108
>muh horse of Mei Ling
Double posting proddy raus.
>>1225138
The current pope is the False Prophet of Mystery Babylon; that you think he is "pretty good" is a sign you'll be spending an eternity with him, on fire, in the dark.
>>1225159
Not den Juden? Isn't that your type of rhetoric? Your sort of history?
>>1225161
>ruining a fucking thread about anon and his necklace his grandfather gave him
>>1225163
We aren't talking about Der Jude.
>>1225164
The pope can act like a Christian and fool people like you, but he'll never be a Christian.
See, people "acting" like Christians aren't Christians.
I would prefer a Borgia so I would not have to process all of the fanbois posts about how virtuous this man is due to his foot kissing fetish. Everyone would just know how evil the pope is, and nobody would care. Or listen to anything he says.
>>1225166
It was boring.
Now it's not boring.
>>1225167
I can sniff you people out 6 million miles away.
>>1225178
>but he'll never be a Christian.
Why? Because he's Argentinian?
>I would prefer a Borgia
An actual anti-Christ? Now who's pretending to be Christian?
>how virtuous this man is due to his foot kissing fetish.
Yea, humility isn't something you want in a Pope...
>>1224910
how do i join this club?
![Structure_of_Masonic_appendant_bodies_in_England_and_Wales[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t2G0jWc.jpg "Structure_of_Masonic_appendant_bodies_in_England_and_Wales[1].jpg")
>>1225185
Red Cross of Constantine is for Christian members of the Holy Royal Arch, which is for Master Masons.
It has three degrees itself, and some of it's own sub-appendant things.
>>1225183
I don't think you understand what I mean by "the pope is the False Prophet of Mystery Babylon", if you think such a creature can be saved.
All Catholic popes are vile. I prefer the outwardly vile murderers, pedophiles, adulterers, hedonists, etc., because they don't lead people to hell. People see them and go the other way.
Humility does not include taking photographs and publishing same worldwide.
>Humility
>LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!
Pick one.
>>1225185
Die in a holy war.
>>1225196
>muh
>horse
>of
>Mei
>Ling
Jesus Christ you idiot.
>>1225196
>I don't think you understand what I mean by "the pope is the False Prophet of Mystery Babylon"
I understand you to be a delusional wackjob.
>Humility does not include taking photographs and publishing same worldwide.
Gee, it's almost as if He's in a position where the press is unavoidable.
>>1225202
>delusional wackjob
The correct term is a shitposter who wants to ruin discussion for other Christians
>>1225210
To-may-to/po-tah-to
>>1225215
Why to talking about fruits and vegetables.
>>1225221
It's a joke expression about how something is said the same with different pronunciation. Usually to-may-to/to-mah-to.
>>1225234
No, I get it. Hell I bet he isn't even a Christian.
>>1225199
Can you smile? Do you smell toast?
>>1225202
Really? How did I arrange this to be written in 95 AD?
Revelation 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
>>1225285
Of course, that's entirely irrefutable and unquestioningly accurate. Not a single room for error in your hypothesis.
>>1225280
I can smile, I'm not cooking bread.
Why are mods allowing christshitposters to derail this thread?
Is it because all mods are faggots?
>>1225300
Blame the fag who started it.
>>1225192
who are the top dogs in the free masons?
>>1225388
The Duke of Kent, i suppose. But that's just for England and Wales. Every state and jurisdiction is sovereign and has their own set of "top dogs" for their terms. Then there are subordinate appendant degrees with their own grand teams.
But all of it is direct democracy, so no dog is too top.
>>1225294
So you're not having a stroke, but you post like that normally?
wow
>>1225293
The hypothesis that I wrote this into the bible in 95 AD?
Do you require emergency assistance?
>>1225416
Very funny. The hypothesis that the passage applies to Pope Francis just because of your feels.
>>1225409
I don't post about whoreshit.
>>1225404
and houses in canada for catholics?
>>1225560
Probably.
>>1224166
quite obviously a corss
center is a labarum
letters in the center are alpha and omega from the greek alphabet
not sure about the V I H S
some sort of christian necklace
>>1225585
In Hoc Signo Vinces.
>>1225560
Huh?
>>1225648
im sorry i meant lodges
>>1225712
Oh right. Catholics can join wherever. Canada has a large Masonic population and five or six sovereign Grand Lodges.
>>1225719
so you can just join in any grand lodge?
>>1225719
Expect the Freemasons anon.
>>1225772
women cant really join the masons right?
>>1225890
You a woman?
Also no self-respecting Catholic would join the Freemasons.
>>1225765
Yea. You'll want to check it's one of the legit ones, though. Negroes and Jews like setting up fake ones to swindle money.
>>1225772
Expect? For what?
>>1225890
Nah, sorry. There are fake Grand Lodges for women, and mixed ones. But there are also legit groups in Masonry for women to join like White Shrines, Order of Amaranth, OES, and so on.
>>1225948
Plenty have, though. Bishops, even.
Hell, the most recent Grand Master of my jurisdiction is Catholic.
>>1226017
>Expect? For what?
You get kicked out of the Church. Excommunicated, see your ass in hell, heretic. Why didn't you join the Knights of Columbus anon? Why?
>>1226038
>You get kicked out of the Church. Excommunicated
Hasn't happened for over a century, which is probably why there are so many Catholic Masons.
>Why didn't you join the Knights of Columbus anon?
I'm not Catholic. And they're a very shitty version of Freemasons. Good guys, but the organisation is so tepid. Would sooner join Elks, Oddfellows, Buffaloes, or ideally Freegardeners if Freemasonry wasn't an option.
>>1226056
>Hasn't happened for over a century, which is probably why there are so many Catholic Masons.
You mean heretics. Because those are heretics, heretics who spit on the Pope and spit on Christ and what he stands for.
>Good guys, but the organisation is so tepid
>has done more for the country
>is basically the Jesuit-lite in terms of getting shit done
>>1226073
>Because those are heretics, heretics who spit on the Pope and spit on Christ and what he stands for.
They really aren't, and they really don't. Bishops have known it was fine to be part of, and probably a Cardinal or two. Maybe don't just suck down propaganda and the party line without thinking for yourself in the future?
>has done more for the country
More than..? Freegardeners? Sure. But it's basically just a charity with swords. Rotary and Lions beat us all in that regard. As does the Catholic church itself. KoC just seems like a waste of time.
>>1226017
grand lodge of canada legit? the one in ontario
>>1226098
Jesus Christ this is why we get pedophiles in the fucking rank, because we have people who refuse, point fucking blank, to remove these goddamn heretics who join them.
>Does the funding for the Schools
>Does the repairs
>Wants to get rid of abortion
>supports autists
>basically insurance
So charity is shit? What type of faggot are you?
>>1226101
This one http://www.grandlodge.on.ca/ ?
Because yes. You just have to check on here. http://www.ugle.org.uk/about/foreign-grand-lodges
>>1226112
>Jesus Christ this is why we get pedophiles in the fucking rank
Yea, *that's* why. Not because of that pointless and harmful celibacy rule, then leaving sexually frustrated men around vulnerable boys.
>So charity is shit?
No? It's just not the kind of group i would want to join, and if i was going to join a charity group, it'd be a better one like Lions or Rotary.
>supports autists
How is that a good thing?
>>1226112
Also, you can't be too Catholic if you're going to take the Lord's name like that. So i'm guessing you're just an anti-Mason shill.
>>1226124
>http://www.grandlodge.on.ca/
yea that's the one
>>1226124
>harmful
>wanting the priests to be living full of sin
>wanting priests not to follow like Jesus
>wanting dynasty of priests
It's the people that join it and want to use the authority to molest children.
>It's just not the kind of group i would want to join,
So you want to support whoredom? All I'm hearing anon.
>be too Catholic if you're going to take the Lord's name like that
Last time I checked, I am one.
>>1226124
im a NEET is it allrii to be a freemason?
>>1224976
>Constantine is in hell.
Hell doesn't exist
>>1226170
But Hell is real.
>>1226148
>wanting the priests to be living full of sin
>wanting priests not to follow like Jesus
Where did i say that?
>wanting dynasty of priests
Not a dynasty, but i do think it's harmful for them to not have kids to pass it on to somewhat.
>It's the people that join it and want to use the authority to molest children.
Pretty doubtful, bro.
>So you want to support whoredom?
No? Where did i say that?
>Last time I checked, I am one.
I've no doubt. But you pick odd ways to blaspheme whilst chiding me for your imagined slights.
>>1226158
Yea, but you really shouldn't be. As in, you should be spending your time getting shit sorted instead of studying philosophy and lay science with us.
>>1226498
>Where did i say that?
You implied it by saying Priests should marry.
>Pretty doubtful, bro.
>implying teachers don't do it
>implying they literally don't waste and do it because they want to and the temptation of doing it leads them to become an authority leader
>No? Where did i say that?
By implying that the Masons are good.
>But you pick odd ways to blaspheme whilst chiding me for your imagined slights.
And this is wrong because...?
>>1226522
>You implied it by saying Priests should marry.
Marriage = sin? What the hell, bro.
>implying teachers don't do it
Bit easier to be a teacher. Do you really think the system couldn't be improved? I'm not saying anything else is infallible, but you don't see the same rate of pederasty with sects allowing their clergy to marry.
>By implying that the Masons are good.
How does that support whoredom?
>And this is wrong because...?
Not wrong. I just found the hypocrisy amusing.
>>1226559
Did Jesus marry? Did Jesus sleep with anyone?
>but you don't see the same rate of pederasty with sects allowing their clergy to marry.
It's the same rate, why are you buying into the "Catholics sodomize little boy" meme. All you're doing is blinding light on the Catholics while the proddies can molest little children like the faggots they are. All molesting is wrong.
>How does that support whoredom?
Because it's immoral.
>I just found the hypocrisy amusing.
Where's the hypocrisy?
>>1226577
>Did Jesus marry? Did Jesus sleep with anyone?
Mary Magdalene, if the Nag Hammadi scrolls and a few others are to be believed.
And even if not, should we all become Cathars?
>It's the same rate,
Source?
>Because it's immoral.
How? And how does it link to whoredom?
>Where's the hypocrisy?
Using the name of Christ as a curse whilst accusing others of sinfulness.
>>1226593
>And even if not, should we all become Cathars?
>Cathars
No, it's the layman job to have a wife and live a nice life while the priest goes the path of being a servant of Christ.
>Source?
I cannot give it to you at this moment.
>How?
Because it is. I don't gotta explain shit.
>Using the name of Christ as a curse whilst accusing others of sinfulness.
I never claimed that I am above sin.
>>1226621
>No, it's the layman job to have a wife and live a nice life while the priest goes the path of being a servant of Christ.
Why was the rule only implemented so much later, then?
>I cannot give it to you at this moment.
Shocker.
>Because it is.
But it ain't.
>I don't gotta explain shit.
You do, but i'm guessing you have no reason to think the way you do, beyond being told that you should. I'm really not sure if you're trolling or a zealot.
>I never claimed that I am above sin.
True, but you have a very holier than thou attitude.
>>1226641
>Why was the rule only implemented so much later, then?
Because the Catholic Church is also a state.
>But it ain't
Proofs?
>beyond being told that you should
It isn't that, it's I don't like it's bullshit. I don't like that it doesn't help any of the community I live in. At least the fucking KoC does shit.
>True, but you have a very holier than thou attitude.
>holier than thou
>>1226656
>Because the Catholic Church is also a state.
What's that got to do with it?
>Proofs?
What proof would you like?
>It isn't that, it's I don't like it's bullshit. I don't like that it doesn't help any of the community I live in.
Which bullshit? And disappointing that it doesn't, but it's not a charity like KoC or Rotary. It helps in other ways.
>>1226746
do i have to pay to be a freemason?
>>1226821
Yes, yearly dues.
>>1226821
Yea, there's usually a small joining fee, then yearly to cover costs.
It's always way too cheap, though.
>>1226835
how much
>>1226746
>What's that got to do with it?
The fact that it can change shit to fit the need.
>What proof would you like?
That isn't a cult.
>Which bullshit?
Doesn't help the community. Hell even the KoC helps with the community, hell they help with the disabled, they help give to the poor.
They're the poor man's Jesuits for those who don't wanna lose the ability to fuck.
>>1226870
Varies. From a pittance of ~$50/yr to ~$2000.
Depends on rent/maintainance if the building is owned/how many members to share to load/how wealthy the lodge is from businesses owned or bequeathments/etc.
>>1226871
>The fact that it can change shit to fit the need.
But that still has nothing to do with them allowing priests to marry for the majority of existence.
>That isn't a cult.
I believe the onus is on you to prove it is. I mean, all i can say now is that unlike a cult, members are free to leave with no penalty, it has no control over member's lives, and it has no central belief it requires members to submit to.
>Doesn't help the community.
Again, it's not a charity. It just does a bit of charity.
>Hell even the KoC helps with the community, hell they help with the disabled, they help give to the poor.
And bully for them. You're comparing apples and oranges. They're both fruit, but they're not meant to be the same. KoC is just a misguided interpretation of Masonry.
Out of curiousity, where abouts are you (state/country, nothing specific). I bet Masonry does more with alms bullshit than you'd think. But it ascribes to the Christian principle that one shouldn't boast ones good deeds.
>>1226882
can you give me an estimate, if a lodge has 46'000 members
>>1226899
I uh, don't think any lodge would have that many members, so i couldn't tell you. Do you mean Grand Lodge? Because that would impact the GL levy included in the dues, but not the total.
You'll really just have to ask your local brothers. If you're in America, safe to assume it'll be too cheap. In Europe, a bit more reasonable.
>>1226897
>But that still has nothing to do with them allowing priests to marry for the majority of existence.
It does, because priests that did it were more loyal to the kids, not to the state.
>I believe the onus is on you to prove it is.
What do you fags believe in?
>And bully for them
Again, the Jesuit-lite.
>Michigan, Genesee (You know where Flint at)
>>1226904
>It does, because priests that did it were more loyal to the kids, not to the state.
Christianity is pretty pro-family. But that's all a bit hard to measure. And my point was that it was a development, not a core.
>What do you fags believe in?
Betterment of society, mostly. Through knowledge.
>Michigan, Genesee (You know where Flint at)
Jeez, my condolences old boy.
Yea, it seems like they have had less to work with, compared to Minnesota being able to donate multi-million dollar hospital wings, or the England being able to fund helicopter and naval rescue.
Links are apparently spam, so see pic related.
>>1226903
soooo in canada it would be cheap?
>>1226920
All about being as close to God (or in this case, Peter, because everyone is trying to become Peter, which is second to Jesus).
>Betterment of society, mostly. Through knowledge.
Through knowledge how?
>Jeez, my condolences old boy.
I still have good water, so all is well. My problem is also they don't go out and help give out water and shit.
>>1226921
Yea, probably. Depending on where you are. In the cities are always pricier, especially if it's in the GL building, but not always too much.
>>1226926
>Through knowledge how?
General advancement and application. It comes down to each member to decide.
>I still have good water, so all is well.
Still, you're brave for sticking it out.
>My problem is also they don't go out and help give out water and shit.
Because that's not the job of Masonry. They can feel free to do that, but no one is necessarily losing out in their membership by not doing that in a Masonic capacity. It's more in the Masonic aegis to find ways for people not to need to hand out water.
>>1226927
all right thanks for you're help
>>1226937
>General advancement and application. It comes down to each member to decide.
How vague.
>Still, you're brave for sticking it out.
No, I'm just trying to live.
>Because that's not the job of Masonry
You know what PR means right?
>>1226208
Hell is other shitposters
>>1226941
>How vague.
Pretty much as it's meant to be. If it were too pointed, it would hurt the purpose of general betterment.
>You know what PR means right?
Yea, but Masonry is meant to be above pandering. We were supposed to have taken that mantle from the Rosicrucians, but now you see shite on par with Rotary, and advertising spots for every little helicopter donated.
