Who was the greatest U.S. President in terms of effectiveness, and accomplishing their ideas?
I don't think there will ever be someone who can surpass Washington. He had no party. He chose to leave after two terms. He declared that God and the Bible was to be the basis to rule the nation. He was almost legendary and known throughout the entire world.
George Walker Bush wanted an incentive to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, and he literally downed two of America's most iconic and massive towers, killing over three thousand people, which gave him his incentive to do anything he desired in the Middle-East and surrounding area, and which also made his approval rates skyrocket.
I pick him.
>>1220596
Was he BASED?
>>1220599
Indeed he was.
>>1220584
What a hard question! It's impossible to determine the greatest given how wildly different all of their leadership circumstances have been, and how to even measure "greatness". Why not try to break American history down into distinct epochs and attribute the greatness to the greatest leaders of each?
>revolutionary america
>civil war america
>WWI america
>superpower america
>>'Nam america
>post-911 america
G Wash, Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, maybe LBJ and Dubya probably have the most reverberating influences on their respective eras. The others like Filmore, Cleveland and Polk are almost universally denigrated, if you think about it, for being products of their society instead of the inverse.
>>1220584
Trump
>>1220584
I like Ike
>>1220707
I said presidents. Not old faggots with daddy issues.
>>1220584
Eisenhower is underated
>>1220584
pic related
In terms of getting what they wanted accomplished, your not gonna find a better president than Polk.
He settled the Oregon dispute, he finalized the annexation of Texas, he won California and the other states of the southwest, lowered tariffs, and when his term was up, he chose not to run again, as he had already accomplished all of his campaign goals.
>>1220727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
>>1220584
>Last two rows
>No facial hair
:(
>>1220584
I like Teddy and Ike
Teddy Roosevelt
>regulated corporate monopolies
>national park preservation
>Pure Food and Drug Act
>established the Panama Canal
>built up the navy
>>1220753
>he chose not to run again, as he had already accomplished all of his campaign goal
Also because you know... he was dying. He was in the dirt less than 3 months after he left office.
>>1220584
Nixon the Best
Reagan the worst
Plain and simple.
>>1221331
"no", nothing supernatural about it.
>>1220584
Either George Washington, LBJ, FDR, or Lincoln.
Obama.
He steered us through the Great Recession, implemented healthcare for all all while facing systemic bigotry because of the colour of his skin.
Some people disagree but most who believe the Obama isn't in the top 3 presidents are usually mouthbreathing fauxnews fags who just regurgitate opinions.
>>1220584
B U B B A
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>>1220727
>lost the Korean war
>Didn't realize how serious a threat the USSR was
>actually thought it was a good idea to have your entire military be based around using nukes in a conventional war
>averaged only 3% GDP growth
>couldn't get his VP elected against some upstart kid
He was shit m8.
>>1221584
>colour
britcucks don't get a say in the matter
>>1220924
You are retarded and have shit taste
Plain and simple.
>>1221584
>NDAA 2012
>TPP
>general NSA expansion
oh and aca is disastrous enjoy your 110% premium increases (not even libs like it)
Why do U.S leaders all have such cool names
In Australia we had a Prime Minister named Kevin.
Kevin ffs.
and Tony.
baka...are we backwater trash guys? be honest?
Gerald Ford.
>>1223291
Nope. Just more neo-caucasian names
>>1220596
>He declared that God and the Bible was to be the basis to rule the nation.
Fuck off
>>1220599
>commanded an aided a fledgling army of men from all the different continents into a war against the strongest military presence at the time
>wins (albeit with foreign aid)
you tell me if that sounds based senpai
>>1220596
>He declared that God and the Bible was to be the basis to rule the nation.
Sauce
>>1224308
Didn't he lost almost every single battle he personally took part in? That and the Brits were underequipped and undermanned to begin with?
>>1223035
>lost the Korean war
Kill yourself
![UC-Teddy[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wU6JMOv.jpg "UC-Teddy[1].jpg")
>>1220882
mein negro
>>1222993
fucked up the poor... fucked up trade... yea great guy who can tell a story but beyond that na go back to class for a passing grade.
>>1225577
unequipped? wtf the largest navy and active army at the time im sorry we stop meeting in the middle of a field because we did want to die... dumnb ass
>>1220597
This
>>1224308
>the strongest military presence at the time
Stop. Americans tell themselves this because it gives them a massive freedom boner, but it's far from true.
>>1221584
>He steered us through the Great Recession
That was Bush actually.
When Obama took office the recession was ending.
>>1220584
Let's be honest, there's been a few good ones but no great ones if you compare against the legendary figures in history. Mostly memorable personas and good enough to not let everything fall apart.
>>1220584
Andrew Jackson the president most similar to today's tea party and also the man on the $20 bill
>>1225791
Literally every battle in the revolution that was a victory was fought like that you dumbass
Washington was a shit general
>>1225837
t. mad britcuck
go back to servicing Mohammad's BBC so you can pay off your television license
>>1220596
>He declared that God and the Bible was to be the basis to rule the nation.
>That's a good thing
>>1223035
>averaged only 3% GDP growth
>Only
You realise that's in the ideal growth rate range right?
>>1225577
>Didn't he lost almost every single battle he personally took part in?
Yes, he really, really did. His entire military career up until (and less so during) the revolution was him getting wrecked.
>>1225837
>it's far from true
Prove it then faggot.
>>1220596
>>1220597
God damn I feel like I can always safely ignore the first 5 or so replied to a post because the /pol/trolls take less time to type out a reasonable response and get in quicker.
>>1220882
We need a new trustbuster. The problem is the corporations now run the government by proxy (funding those they want and supressing those they dont) so unless we have someone that has massive popular support extant before they run there is no way it'll ever happen again.
>>1221584
>this is the only President I was politically aware for, therefore I can see how much shit pretty much any President actually does, yet attribute it only to the example I saw
Man, he hasn't really done that much. He got a cannibalize version of his campaign promise through (affordable care is so half-assed it will sour people to socialism for a long time) and escalated every conflict he had dominion over. He's not an awful President but he ran on charisma and a pleb understanding of issues and won.
>>1225837
nah, Britain was pretty much the military force at the time along with France and Prussia. They didn't commit much to the revolution though because their real moneymaker were the Raj and carribean islands. The 13 colonies didn't have much to offer besides a captive market and cash crops, and the captive market clearly disnt want to be captive anymore so they just threw German mercs at the problem until they were just like "oh well, this isn't worth going all-out against France with, which they are pretty much prepared to do". Not saying G Wash had that much to do with it tactically (IMO I think Franklin's relations with France did way more good than Washington's battle tactices)
>>1223035
>actually thought it was a good idea to have your entire military be based around using nukes in a conventional war
Spotted the Military Industrial Complex shill
>>1227437
>affordable care is so half-assed it will sour people to socialism for a long time
The affordable care act is not socialism and it shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.
>>1220584
Polk was the greatest president in terms of effectiveness and doing what they set out to do. Madison is still the greatest president though.
>>1220596
>Hamilton's sock puppet
>almost drove the US to civil war before it was even a decade old
>demolished the fledgling economy
He wasn't an effective president. He's only considered legend because he was the first which is fucking retarded considering the first president in other countries never receives the same pass.
>>1225577
War of attrition famalam. A smart general knows how to organize raids and retreats that result in minimal loss of allied life. Washington used his experience from the French-Indian war and developed similar tactics for the colonists, all while using diplomacy and foreign aid as a multipronged attack against the British.
My votes go for T.R. and Eisenhower. Nixon wasn't bad with the obvious exception of the Watergate & CRP fiasco.
>>1228630
don't talk shit about washington
>>1231431
>>1225840
>
reminder the US was losing 700k jobs a month when Obama took office
reminder obama put in a 600 billion dollar stimulus and the market rebounded the next day
reminder housing prices went up the month after the stimulus was enacted
>>1225781
fucked up the poor
he literally had the greatest economy ever.
>"During the eight years under Clinton, the number of employed people went up by 22.9 million, or an increase of 21 percent over the eight-year period."
>"What about the unemployment rate? Under Reagan, it fell from 7.5 percent to 5.4 percent -- a drop of 2.1 percentage points. Under Clinton, it fell from 7.3 percent to 4.2 percent -- a drop of 3.1 percentage points."
>"During the eight years under Clinton, the number of Americans in poverty declined by 6.5 million, or a drop in raw numbers of about 17 percent."
>"During the eight years under Clinton, the poverty rate fell from 15.1 percent to 11.7 percent, or a decline of 3.4 percentage points."
>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/21/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-economic-stats-were-100-times/
>http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln
>http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ce
>http://www.census.gov/topics/income-poverty/poverty.html
*cough* saved our country and the world *cough*
>>1233606
Saved you from what? Communism ran rampant.
>>1220584
woodrow wilson
>>1232441
You can't use logic, it's literally a religious faith.
>>1227302
This. People who don't understand economics need to get out
>>1220596
>He declared that God and the Bible was to be the basis to rule the nation.
American protestants need to be deported.
>>1233667
>he thinks communism is its post-revolutionary sublation, as stalinism in the role of capitalist industrialization in the 20th century
Reporting in
>>1220584
I'm no expert on presidents, but JFK is my favorite.
>mafia money used for him and his brothers education
>mafia helps him become president
>JFK appoints his brother as attorney general. his brother goes after the mob
>called the first black president because he promoted many civil rights
>took a stand against clandestine intelligence operations
>wanted peace
Some will call him a commie, but I truly think that he wanted the US to stay neutral and out of everyone's affairs. And although organizations like the CIA are a necessary evil, a president just can't let reckless use of military power on foreign soil go unchecked especially countries that probably hate you. I personally think that JFK was a man who was given a great opportunity and did a great thing with it.
>>1223272
All memes. TPP is a long-term gain, seeing as it both allows for increased trade integration with otherwise isolated areas and forces us to develop non-industrial economic goals. It's better for us to find new industry, not wallow in the old one, pal.
And libs do like the ACA, by the way. Now that the stigma is dying off and more people are accessing coverage, approval is going up.
>>1235846
JFK was based
>>1235846
when you say the mob paid for his education, do you mean the money his dad made selling alcohol, or some other mob connections his family had? i know his dad was a bootlegger, and have heard of some mob help in illinois to help him win that state in the election
>Started the French Indian war
>When he and the colonies had to pay for it he started a revolution
>Gets the French to help and win
>Became President
Washington played the whole world like a damn fiddle
>>1220584
good old ronnie raygun because he broke the president curse
>>1236371
>and have heard of some mob help in illinois to help him win that state in the election
>some mob help
>largest voting fraud convictions in history
>some mob help
I'm amazed JFK didn't get fucking impeached. Then again, when your brother is attorney general and can squelch any FBI investigation into the matter, you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want and get away with it.
>>1236400
>he started a revolution
He didn't do that.
>Gets the French to help
He didn't do that either.
