Best and worst factions to play as?
Best: Spain. OP cavalry and spearmen. Once you have southern Iberia and north eastern Africa, your money is limitless.
Worst: Egypt or Byzantines because EVERY FUCKER declares war on you when you're just peacefully trying to build an economy.
And mods, this game is related to history.
Best total war ever
>>1212461
The best is objectively Venice. You start near the orthodox heretics, so you can conquer, plunder and destroy without having to fear the Pope in your first turns. Once you have Greece and the balkans you get a lot of cash too. Also, being in the middle of the map, you get to interact (i.e. fight) with all sorts of factions.
>>1212506
>implying
The combat is shit and takes forever. The units are unresponsive. And cav is OP as fuck.
Rome and Shogun 2 are better.
>absolutely crushing some other faction
>have their entire former kingdom barring some 2 cities or so under my control
>their armies have been utterly massacred every time they have been brought into the field
>won't accept peace
>won't become a vassal
>end up having to exterminate the entire faction
fuck. just accepted the peace treaty you double knave
>>1212461
>Egypt
>Bad
Get Dem Mamluke horse archers and rape everyone mate.
>>1212579
>Councillor Alessandro the Cuckold
What is this mod?
>>1212560
Don't know about ''shit'' combat or units being unresponsive but cavalry are strong ill give you that,you have to keep in mind of how old this game is,also i'm personally not a fan of shogun 2 that much due to the lack of unit variety and autistic economy,atleast in the base game.
>>1212584
The cuckold nickname is in vanilla.
>>1212560
I disagree with Rome being better. The AI in Rome was really bad, but got a lot better in Medieval 2. An example is that in defensive battles in Rome iirc, the enemy would just fucking stand still and not move out until you engaged them. In Medieval 2 the AI still followed predictable patterns, but they were not as blatant and the AI was generally more competent as a whole.
If there's a real issue with the game imo it's that the diplomacy was really crappy. i personally preferred to play the expansion and fuck around with shit like lithuania or wales.
>>1212592
Oh yeah and the fucking AI losing half of their units during a siege while trying to climb the wall because it doesn't know how to siege properly.
>>1212593
Bullshit
>>1212608
It actually is.
t.poster of the screenshot
>>1212608
have you played the game? it's not THAT rare. venice once had a doge in my campaign nicknamed cuckold that had maximum authority and command level
>>1212632
No, it means the same thing
>>1212632
It means the husband of an adulteress wife, which is still what it means, but it's gotten a new meaning because of a fringe sexual fetish, and because a brazilian shilled a load of cuckold porn on /pol/ and forced a meme
>He doesn't play as the Irish and take back Britannia from the English
How do I git gud with English?
It feels like my yeomans are a shit and doesn't make much of a difference in battles when I have 4 stacks of bowman when swordsman rape
Also how should I position artillery and cannons?
STANDARD
OF
MILAN
>Want to be glorious Orthodox bastion and true successor to Rome
>Ally with Russia to unite the faith
>Triple war with Hungary, Venice, and Turks
>Weakass Russia does fuckall and HRE is now assassinating my agents for no raisins
Fuck Venice. They're hanging on to one settlement now and they're still expecting me to become their vassal.
>>1212657
Be sure to play with large units from the options menu on if you want a larger ranged advantage. The larger the unit, the more firepower it has.
Also, archers aren't any good against armored units. For that, you need swordsmen to engage and cavalry to flank. Better to use them against enemy archers and light infantry. I prefer unlit arrows.
Artillery aren't very useful in field battles (at least not early artillery, and by the time you get late artillery the game is over), so keep them in the rear and ideally at a defensible high point on the map if the enemy is coming to you. If they get more than a few shots off before the forces engage, consider yourself lucky.
>>1212576
This. It's much more satisfying to subjugate them and watch them bring you tribute than it is to wipe them out and turn them into another part of your homogeneous empire.
>>1212674
>finish some quests just in time to get a new army to defend your capital city
>get only ballistas and carroccios
Every fucking time.
>>1212692
>>1212692
b-b-but muh agincourt
>>1212722
Arrows did nothing against armoured cavalry in real life at agincourt
>>1212674
>>Milan
Fuck those nigger faggots. Every fucking time they snake their way up into northern europe like a big green penis and it makes the map look so fucking bad. Fighting them can be a bitch too with all those fucking crossbows the pricks love to spam like it's going out of style.
Fuck milan.
>>1212739
They do in M2TW though. English longbowmen get armor piercing arrows for that very reason.
That anon is having trouble with shields, not armor. He just needs to learn to shoot into the unshielded side and rear of an enemy unit for maximum effectiveness.
Alright niggers I've settled down to play this game after I did Shogun 2. What faction should I play as first?
>>1212952
>
>
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I can't play M2 because the economy is so unintuitive compared to Rome. It seems impossible to balance a budget and have a military capable of supporting your land
>>1212962
Have you tried not being retarded?
>>1212952
Venice. Dont conquer, just build up merchants and send them everywhere to make you rich bb
>>1212614
>telling someone to go to /twg/
>>1212560
Shogun is the best total war.
I agree that Rome is second best.
I mean, the game came out in 2003?
>>1212602
Siege AI in every other game are mentally retarded.
Something about walls makes AI flip their shit.
Get the Darthmod for Shogun. It fixes a lot of these problems and makes the AI not be completely retarded.
>>1212506
Attila would like a word with you
>>1212692
English longbowmen literally rape everything to bits.
Horse archers are also OP on all units.
>>1212946
They do not. Stop spreading misinformation, are you trying to get my men killed?
>>1213025
Unironically the worst Total War
Well maybe Empire with its vanilla glitches takes the cake.
>>1212461
>Best
England, objectively best start pos. Scots get knocked out easily in the first few turns if you get them after they take their first settlement.
Just pay France to fuck off for a few turns till you conquer the islands.
I usually sail Baltic afterwords and fuck Russia, the mongols hand my ass to me after that though, there was one time where I had a castle literally full of English knights and nothing else and they dominated the entire Mongol horde, their leader got the "afraid of english" trait.
>worst
Turks, shit infantry, shit cavalry, Byzantines fuck you almost every time, Pope always calls a crusade on byzantium when I take it.
>>1213025
It's the same as Rome 2
>put infantry in front
>missile units behind them
>artillery behind them
>cavalry on sides
>win
>>1213032
English longbowmen are the most versatile and effective unit in the game.
Only horse archers in the open fields are more effective.
>>1213039
What the fuck went wrong with Rome 2?
>>1213039
someone has never played Attila
>Heavy lancers in front
>horse archers skirmishing around the sides and rear
>>1213035
are you kidding? its a far better game than med 2. some niggers need to take the nostalgia goggles off, med 2 has the least responsive units out of all of the total war games. Something as simple as a charge is still fucked after all these years.
>>1213032
What misinformation?
>>1212692
There was one time some siege weapon fired one shot and it killed my general instantly from full health, who I think was my ruler as well.
I was so butthurt. It was like a fucking sniper.
Mid 2 guaranteed victory tactic
Hammer and anvil
Spam Italian crossbow militia with armor upgrades. Cities cannot be taken if you have 4-5 of them in the city, and they are free upkeep in cities.
40% spearmen
20% heavy inf
20% xbowmen
20% knights/heavy calvary
20% horse archers
Even on Very Hard Battle and Campaign the AI is too stupid to ever beat these tactics.
>>1213047
83 hours according to Steam
Still haven't lost one battle.
>>1213050
Atilla was better than Empire/Napoleon/Rome 2
But it is not better than circa 2006 MTW2.
>>1212506
Medieval 1 is mechanically better in every way
>>1213091
>ISIS versus French.webm
>>1213069
You never played M2TW circa 2006 you piece of shit. The game was broken on launch.
>>1213065
as someone who has over 320 hours let me tell you, there is nothing more powerful in the game than high XP horsearchers/lancers.
its the critical flaw with the game, well micro'd horse archers can outrun or outshoot anything in the game, and elite lancers can easily kill any swordsmen and often spearmen if they can catch them out of spearwall.
>>1213032
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Longbowmen_(M2TW_unit)
They totally do.
>>1213041
camel gunners are better
>>1213095
>The game was broken on launch.
Nigga my game was bought in the Best Buy on Nov 16 2006.
Never handed it back in so the game was either fine or I've been playing a glitchy version (most likely.)
Now fuck off.
Atilla was not as well-made as MTW 2.
>>1212461
>Be Byzantines
>Almost instantly in a war with a new faction every couple turns, never room for a breather
>Be Russia
>Get curbstomped by poland or hungary before you even get the chance of uniting the rebels
It is impossible to have Orthodox fun in this game
>>1213038
Turks have a poor early game, though Turkish HA and Sipahis are pretty good. But late game they're an absolute powerhouse. Super heavy cavalry with maces, JHI, muskets, Saracen and ME halberd militia, and Dismounted Sipahi Lancers are dope.
>>1213116
Too slow
>>1213102
But have you lost a battle?
>>1213045
It's simple.
The guys at Total War decided to take literally everything bad about previous games and make it worse. All while introducing excellent elements like
>unreadable unit cards
>a grand total of 4 maps for small settlements and 3 for large
>DLC packs selling content from the first trailers literally years after release
Seriously, after the abortion that was Rome II I don't trust anything that company releases. At least DEI makes it playable.
>>1213123
Russia can be won by goading them into attacking castles.
>>1213102
>its the critical flaw with the game, well micro'd horse archers can outrun or outshoot anything in the game
What a surprise. They didn't bother to fix a broken gameplay element from the original Rome. I've literally conquered everything south of the Mediterranean in Rome I was Parthia by just micromanaging the everloving fuck out of stacks of horse archers. Worst case, I "lose" a battle with <10 casualties after withdrawing once my guys run out of ammo.
>>1213156
That is the perfect gif
Western Roman Empire on Very Hard is probably the most difficult faction to win with in the TW series.
>>1213167
It's not really THAT hard. All you have to do is be willing to gut your overextended hemorraging empire, cut back to about 7-8 core provinces in and around Northern Italy that you will cling to for dear life, and demolish all the other buildings everywhere else.
They revolt away, you pull back your armies to a defensible perimeter, and you rebuild and reconquer. It takes a a while, but it's not that hard to do.
> liking medieval 2
> not refusing to play anything beyond medieval 1
...If I see one post on here complaining that the combat needs to be... 'fasterer'
>>1212461
HRE is bretty gud
>you can be actually >holy >roman >empire
>top tier unit roster
>pretty much perpetual war on every front, yet still manageable
Seriously. HRE is one of my favourite TW factions of all time, alongside the KoJ.
>>1212461
the english were pretty neat when you spammed some longbowmen
but i usually just played with portugal since the unit roster was pretty much the same (unless you used mods where you could get some extra shit that added a lot of variety)
>>1213035
it's objectively the best total war to date
it may even be getting a mod that sets the game in the 13th century
Are gun units shit in M2TW?
I never got to successfully play with them and i am a veteran player. They take years to form and start firing and another years for the next row to start firing and the casuallities they make are not that great.
Plus they are useless in a siege.
>>1217918
eat a dick
>>1212461
Best: France or England. Ridiculously easy to expand, and get pretty neat units so you're not spamming "Dismounted Knights" and "Crossbow Militia".
Worst: Sicily. Almost no units, nowhere worthwhile to expand unless you want to sail around the seas.
>>1212506
Rome. I just like the feel of the campaign better, especially that in Medieval there are two worlds (excluding Aztecs), the Christian and the European, but in Rome you have barbarians. Romans (Carthage kinda plays like them), Greeks, and Easterners, all with different playstyles.
For the same reason I spent more time playing the Americas campaign than the actual game.
>>1212576
I heard they'll take it more often if you have the diplomat in a big army.
>>1212702
>when you keep getting stacks of 4 sergeants and you don't have anything for them to do and they vacuum up money
You literally cannot lose as England.
>start game as Denmark
>abandon my capital to get fucked by the HRE
>take all my units and sail down to the island of Crete
>establish a comfy base there
>always the first to conquer whatever city was designated for a crusade
>play the entire game holding out against the Turks, Egyptians, and Mongols
Truly the comfiest campaign I've ever played. I might have to give that another shot. If you're an absolute madman, you can do that with Lithuania as well if you have the Stainless Steel mod.
Is this more fun than Rome (the original)? I loved putting Gauls and other uncivilized peoples to the sword but 50 hours in I feel burned out
Best: France, or HRE. France has the best crossbowmen, the best heavy cavalry, good infantry, pikemen, mounted archers. HRE has good heavy cavalry, heavy infantry, and Reiters. Both have best gunpowder technology.
Worst: Egypt. Barely any roster variety, roster is shit.
>>1218152
They're both fun but I like Medieval II a bit more. MII is a lot harder. England is the best starter nation.
General's bodyguard is good but not as good as the fucking wrecking ball bulldozer Rome generals.
>Easiest
Literally any of the starting nations except the >H>R>E
>Hardest
Russia, by the time you grow powerful Mingoria is gonna rape yah.
>Shittiest/Most ignored
Hungary and Sicily. Pretty boring, not much room for expansion outside of North Africa and Corsica/Sardinia as Sicily and then you just go to war with the Moors (also just boring aside from their Norman knights which apparently England can't recruit for some idiotic reason). Hungary is just 100% shit. Boring roster, dog shot expansion facing a fight with Ve ice, Byzantium, Poland, or the >H>R>E
In all honesty this is my moat played TW game besides perhaps Rome. Even had the Kingdoms expansion and played the hotseat campaigns w/friends.
All in all an extremely bland and uninteresting vanilla campaign that no matter what the difficulty has an easily defeatable AI. I literally took over the whole map by the 1300s as Scotland and just waited to annihilate the Aztecs and take the new world.
The game is only decent w/mods.
Expansion was alright, although the Americas campaign was shit tier
>tfw I like Med2 and Empire a lot and, for some reason, just couldn't like Attila or FotS
I like more rifles and artillery, but all the factions were just different colored Japanese men in pajamas. The Fall of Rome is my favorite time period, but I can't seem to have fun with the gave, and I really dislike the general aesthetic and color tones they use.
I'm playing Austrians on Hard and I managed to take Warsaw, Berlin, and Dresden, as my allies in Prussia formed a great distraction (and lost their capitol to the Saxons). I love the roar of cracking guns, fields of uniformed cavalry, the drums and fifes, and the cries of commands as men enter rank fire.
>>1212506
Nice try, but every total war game sucks
There is no best faction.
It deepends on money, time period, game rules, map, and siege/field.
In vanilla m2, a few nations stand out for standard/high florins in any situation.
SPAIN- 3 types of dismounted knights for 12 heavy inf. Wew. Has pavaise x bows which are the gold standard of archers.
TURKS- I love turks for siege battles. Naffa/hash spam is absolutely brutal, but need to be used in conjunction with heavy western armies.
VENICE- my favorite. Warhammers have a brutal charge. They hit like 2h buy with no 2h glitch. Strats are overrated except for running down fleeing enemy and flanking engaged units in charges. Mortars.
t. Played M2 since release, 10k+ hours easy, maybe twice that. Hardly play anymore, so I'm happy to give advice
>>1213039
>archers behind infantry
>not spreading archers in loose formation in the front rank with infantry positioned well behind
You must not play online.
>all these people caring about campaign.
Even with mods on vh/vh it's literally impossible to lose as any faction.
>>1212461
I don't know why, but I can't play these games anymore, even with all the best mods that get praised to hell and back. My interest in history has grown exponentially since I first got into the series, but whenever I try to get back into these games I end up just wanting to auto-resolve everything, and giving up a quarter or half of the way to the campaign objectives.
>>1212461
>Worst: Egypt or Byzantines because EVERY FUCKER declares war on you when you're just peacefully trying to build an economy.
Isn't that just a problem for everybody because pre Empire TW diplomacy is completely fucked?
>>1212461
Spain is meant to be OP, it's for new players.
Favorite faction is Milan.
>>1212461
Best faction is really the Turks. It's so much more fun to play with them compared to anyone else.
First: Invasions, both invasions come directly aimed at Turks, meaning you always have to fight outnumbered, sieges and crossings while being threatened by Byzantine.
Second: Early game units are terrible, making it even harder and more fun. I, for example spam spear militia and Turkish archers against Mongols and create Medieval version of pike square.
Third: As bad as early units are, the middle and late units are really awesome. Janissary musketeers are probably the best gunpowder unit. Janissary heavy infantry goes through any heavy infantry Europeans throw really easily. And Ottoman infantry is awesome with only thing lacking is good stamina.
Fourth: There's just so much more to do when playing with Turks instead of establishing boundaries and waiting for the whole world to be conquered by like two nations.
Fifth: Good horse archery + good late units are really interesting combinations Europeans and pretty much any other nations lack.
To be honest after playing with Turks, any other nation feels like dull.
Total War: 30 Years War when?
>>1212461
I never got the appeal of Spain in that game.
Yeah, late game you have some cool units, but no cool enough to make up for lack of units in the beggining.
>>1220192
The appeal of Spain is that you can build your empire without a lot of interference with any other nation. So it appeals to people who play it for building a state and maintaining it. Once you plug two passages in the north, you are basically isolated.
>>1220181
1648 mod
>tfw no Bohemia
>>1220181
Normies can't understand 1500's-1600's tactics.
>Game devs cant either.
>>1213091
Fucking awesome that game.
>>1212461
I disagree.
Best: moors. The peasant crossbowmen are op as fuck and christian guard are basically cheaper conquistodors
Worst: Probably the aztecs. If you mean ones you can play, russia since boyar sons are massively overpriced and the rest of the army is shit.
>>1220181
Pike and shotte exists, thats great. Also, the ECW mod is great too.
>>1217908
pls answer.
Medieval 2 is overrated as fuck. Only reason people suck it's cock is because of muh mods and mad nostalgia. Played the shit out of this during 2006-2009, now i can't go back after Shogun 2 and Attila.
>>1220468
In vanilla they suck. In SS6.4 late musketeers will fucking rape enemy infantry.
>>1217908
Yeah they're kinda shitty.
Attila > Napoleon > ME2 > Rome 2 > Rome 1 > the rest.
>>1218096
Denmark in the middle east is my favourite migration campaign as well.
>>1218676
It's not so bad and post-Empire TW diplomacy is still retarded. I'm playing an Attila campaign as Aksum and literally everyone from Afghanistan to Egypt and Anatolia hates me because I'm "too big". But they all love each other despite being bigger than me of course.
>>1220529
I never played much vanilla ME2 but I recently downloaded SS and I've been having a great time. I put my WRE attila campaign on hold while I do a cozy venetian late era campaign. The game is so much simpler and it's nice to take a break from food / sanitation / mongols burning half of the world.
Attila is still way better though. Hands down best TW game.
>>1218630
It's the mechanics for me. The more I got into history, and I mean the boring, academic kind, the more I started looking into the mechanics of the game and couldn't really enjoy them. Most of the enjoyment comes from the presentation, and once that spell is broken it feels like coming back to a cartoon you liked as a kid but now see how shallow and goofy it is.
>Best
Holy Roman Empire. Milan, Denmark and Venice can be destroyed fairly early on, and it's easy to expand East and West once Germany is established. Also Jerusalem isn't needed for victory.
>Worst
The Byzantine empire. Nuff said
Top Tier (Multiplayer)
1. Spain: above average cavalry, pavise, excellent infantry. OP as fuck.
2. Venice: Venetian Heavy inf rape. Also Caraccio.
3. Holy Roman Empire: Teutonic Knights. nuff said.
Shit tier:
1. Scotland: bullshit cav and archers, meh infantry.
2. Mongols: a good player can make them work, but there's nothing they have which other factions can't surpass
3. Aztecs: Fun, but outclassed in every way. If you know what you're doing though, they make a good surprise, since every assumes they'll beat the Aztecs easily.
>>1220401
u wot? there is Bohemia in the 1648 mod.
If you had the time, how would you mod M2TW? What would you want to change? How would you improve/nerf a faction or mechanic?
>>1220614
Coyote priests are op, and if eagle warriors didn't have the 2h glitch they'd make decent shock/anticav troops
>>1220654
SS fixed it as much as it needed. I wouldn't ask for much more without wanting a whole new game entirely.
>>1220654
The Mongols wouldn't be Muslim, they would just adopt the religion of whatever settlements they conquered.
You would gain something from each faction you destroyed, i.e. If you destroyed Egypt you would be able to recruit Mamluk archers in settlements that Egypt previously owned.
>>1212702
Ballistas are great for a siege defence if you want to cheese.
>Sally out
>send siege weapons
>fire at the enemy from afar
>go back to town center
>exit battle
>repeat until the enemy are dead, walk away or are weak enough for you to take on
>>1220669
In SS mongols are "pagan" and you get special units from certain settlements. For example I was able to recruit desert spears and cavalry when I was england after I took over some territory in the levant.
>>1220673
how to beat mongols with fully upgraded citadels:
Just sit there and wait for cannon towers to demolish the enemy. You don;t even need to sally. I would sometimes just start up the battle and leave for 30 mins to come back to a victory with no losses.
>>1220679
Cannon towers are crazily OP
>>1220675
What about the Americas?
The lack of settlements and factions in the Americas always annoyed me.
>>1220696
SS doesn't have the Americas, it settles for an Expanded Eurasia.
>>1220696
You have the americas campaign for that. Certainly it should need some modding to make it perfect (and I think there's none) but it's pretty varied.
Russia is so poor they get owned every time
>>1220725
Migrate to norway / sweden or you're fucked.
>>1213156
God I love this gif. Does anyone know what movie it's from?
>>1220820
The Hidden (1987)
The problem with SS is the way too long turn loadings. Have they fixed that yet?
>>1220989
yeah they take less than a min for me
>>1220989
It's not something that can be fixed. The mod has to be rebuilt from the ground up with streamlining in mind, jettisoning a lot of scripts and events in the process, to manage that.
>>1220673
The best way to defend sieges is gatering all your rmy at the town square and wait until the enemy charges and has all their army in the street in front of your army. Then just send cavalry to their rear and buttfuck them. Repeat a few times ans it is a mass rout. If you have artillery is even easier.
AI is stupid in sieges.
>>1220994
It takes longer to me but i play in a old laptop.But it is still too much.
Any other mod for M2TW that you guys can recomend?
>>1220654
If possible, I would want to expand on the thing they had going for RTW where you command a faction within Rome. R2TW sort of tried this, but all it was in the end was a static bonus you chose at the start.
Best: Sicily
1-Become bros with the pope
2-Get a fortress
3-Normans all day every day
4-Expand in whatever direction you want
Worst: Scottish. Nothing even noteworthy.
Personal favorite: Polish. Those mounted crossbowmen with an unpronouncable name on the flanks is better than sex.
>>1221033
>Worst: Scottish. Nothing even noteworthy.
Is the British Isles, aka once you kicked England, which can be done pretty easily if you rush to capture everything before they do, nobody is gonna do anything agaisnt you. So you can just focus in your economy, with a single castle to protect the Isles.
>>1221044
That's not really noteworthy since you already have England as a faction if you want to dominate the British Isles, and any faction really can just uproot itself and sail for Ireland or Wales at the start if it wants the same.
>>1221006
Third age and its submods are amazing as well. I've heard broken crescent is good too but I've never tried it.
I like to play as venice and capture all the islands / major port cities. Hogging the mediterranean all to yourself is fun.
>>1213819
Are you not thinking of Atilla:TW for this strategy? I remember this not working in Barbarian Invasion.
>>1212461
i played the shit out of this. soft spot for england and the byzzies.
the english agent voice overs are great - i just assissinate my way to full dread every time. english kings are basically all evil dark lords because i kill every rebel captain who looks at me cock eyed and then sabotage neighboring enemy towns until they're walled rubble.
all that said, my comfiest game was playing the greek states in EB and overrunning alexander's empire + italy and sicily, and imagining what such an empire must be like.
damned carthaginians and persians, defying the sons of zeus, the insolent dogs.
>>1221087
Yes the bug is fixed. They don't shift around their formation and they actually fire their weapons when you want them too.
>>1217908
Musketeers can rape most units' asses if you set them up properly in the expansion. Set them up on a hill, disable guard mode, and they'll almost double their firing rate.
>>1218612
I do that sometimes too
>>1212506
Yes
>>1212461
Best: England
I like spain for every reason you mentioned but with england the field position is god tier and its very easy to take over the whole UK very early on and you are preotected by the sea so anyone intent on attacking will be spotted with a ship nearby.
Worst: russia
Fuck russia
Superior game coming through
How is Shogun 2 i have it but ive never even started a campaign in it yet as i wouldnt know where to start as i know fuck all about Japanese history compared to the Rome games and Medieval 2 where you have obvious differences between factions plus the load times in Shogun 2 seem really long but loads of people say they love Shogun 2 is it worth getting into as ive enjoyed every other Total War.
>>1221695
Comparing TW to paradox games is retarded. TW is focused around battles with extremely light strategy on the campaign map. Paradox are real strategy games.
>>1221695
>not playing as switzerblob
>>1221842
>landlocked
all my wat
>>1221852
It's an achievement in-game
>>1221852
It's an achievement - own some ridiculous number of provinces as Switzerland without touching the sea.
>>1221793
The combat is different because it's more fast paced. It is a shit facsimile of history because they even get basic troop dynamics wrong, and the technology upgrades are a chore because by the time you get anything fun, like guns that aren't expensive as hell, the games is already over from the time restrictions the campaign has. I did appreciation how you could convert a clan to Roman Catholithism however, but doing so is practically a death sentence since you need a few turns to convert the home provinces and time is so fucking precious. Also, the AI cheats when you can't see them to fucking clobber you with massive armies of elite troops.Mods can make it a little better.
Fall of the Samurai is fun, because it's pretty much everything Empire should have been, but it's not historically accurate in the slightest as they marketed it as medieval vs. early modern weaponry. It's nice how it's a two sided conflict though, as you get the experience of helping out allies who won't fucking stab you in the back like with other TW titles. Although they took out the religion mechanic which could have easily been implemented.
>>1212646
Back to the bogside with you Seamus
>>1221882
>It is a shit facsimile of history because they even get basic troop dynamics wrong, and the technology upgrades are a chore
Isn't that what all TW games are like though?
>>1221695
Even compared to casul games like Total War, I can't see EU4 as anything more than boring casul shit. At least Total War has battles to make it fun.
Play Vicky
>inb4 muh lick whore bagduries
>>1213156
Meh, Emperor edition is pretty fun if taken on its own today without the release history. Only problem is ai mini states not being able to fight back mid game.
>>1222060
Yeah the current game is fine. My problem was that they released an obviously broken game and then proceeded to spend more time releasing DLC packs than they did actually unfucking the game. After the abortion that was Rome II on release, I don't trust anything that company releases anymore.
Especially given that a lot of the issues still aren't fixed. There's pretty much no variety to siege battles because there's like 4 maps total for large and small settlements that just get reskinned depending on culture/region.
I wish they'd introduce the revolutions and emergent states like they had in Empire.
>>1221138
>I've tried whipping the men, sire, but they are all spent
>>1222109
This is from napoleon
>>1222941
I don't think Napoleon had the Marathas as a faction.
>>1222941
>Bourbon Spanish flag
>triple crescent Ottomans
>United Provinces
>pre-Irish Union Jack
>United States
>Kingdom of France
>Maratha
>Poland-Lithuania
Shit nigger get your head together
Where/how do you download Stainless Steel?
>>1212946
stakes are the tits, deploy stakes in a good choke and then let your infantry defend without a mounted charge looming over them
okay niggers HANDS down the hardest fucking faction to every be playable is Egypt, try it, hardest campaign and battle difficulty. Start of with your general at Gaza and get your imam to call a Jihad on Jerusalem, all fine huh? The weight lifted due to free unit travel and pillage and reward gives Egypt the best economy but by turn 15 the pope would of called a crusade on you, now what I like to do is get a diplomat and send him into Europe as soon as , alliances from the pope, venice and pretty much all the other states, so when the crusades come up only Poland or Hungary attack you, once you do some expanding the pope might call another crusade on you, this time due to being good literally every catholic faction(save ports) will come at you, now this would be around turn 50 so you won't really have acess to those axe men or assassins, so the best(and only) melee troops you have are those milltas units, if you some how mange to survive that crusade without losing Jerusalem heres a new threat, the mongols, no matter how hard you try they'll get you by turn 80 unless you kill those two massive armys as soon as they arrive. The mongols will steam roll you even if you try a river defense due to shitty melee troops and you haven't unlocked any other troops so good luck. If you some how mange to survive this amount of assrape from the mongol horde then you might enjoy another crusade against you, once this is over you'll get raped by the Timurids, except this time your river defense or fort defense isn't going to save you, those fucking elephants gunners will RAPE your circle units and cause you piss yourself, castle walls will not survive so unless you mange to snipe a elephant will a ballista and cause them to rampage you'll still die. All in all Egpyt is hands down the hardest faction to play as.
Easiest is england
>OP longbow men with STAKES
>Best miltta units(heavy billmen)
>Makes defensive battles and forts easy
pic related 6 mongol hordes at jerusalem
>>1224620
billmen sucks.
>>1224645
Bill militias attack is 13 while over twice as expensive recruitment and upkeep of sergeant spearmen is a measly """7""""
france pls go
>>1224620
Ive never had issues dealing with the first crusade since they always go straight for the city they are crusading so you just fill it up with infantry and archers and place a good leader in there and just win through defensive siege,however FUCK the mongols those niggers are such a pain in the ass to deal with and trying to win in an open field battle instead of on a defensive siege ends up with heavy losses because all of their leaders are maxed.
>>1224697
But they drop dead like flies and have low morale.
>>1224848
>1108
>not hammering fire with godtier yeomen then zerg rushing with incrediblely cheap bill men and wiping them clean with max dread 3 gold chevs general
Disappointed Anon
>>1220696
Go for the Expanded Americas mod, it is really fun to be able to send your Apache/Aztec/Mayan fellas across the sea and invade the old world. Though you will probably have to hire mercs every now and then.
>>1212632
shakespeare is littered with calling people a cuckold. its the basis of a whole play
>>1212461
A lot of things in this game never made sense. Why does England get armor piercing archers while everyone else doesn't? Why do their billmen get like twice the attack of any other halberdier? Why do the French get longbow horse archers? Why do the Moors get the most powerful knights but Sicily has better Muslim archers than any Muslim faction save the Turks until they hit Ottoman Infantry/Janissaries? Why does Spain and Portugal get better javelinmen and javelin cavalry than the Moors they're trying to copy, while the Moors get worse heavy cavalry besides the Christian guard that they try to copy? How do you make a faction with as many pikes as Scotland without realizing pikes don't work in this game?
>>1225673
>Why does England get armor piercing archers while everyone else doesn't?
Crossbows are armor piercing
>Why do their billmen get like twice the attack of any other halberdier?
Because CA is English
>Why do the French get longbow horse archers?
Probably supposed to be Franc-Archers (France's answer to longbowmen). The thing is that there are reports of them riding into battle, dismounting and firing (like dragoons), but not of them firing on horseback. CA probably took some creative license to justify a horse archer unit in France's roster.
>Why do the Moors get the most powerful knights but Sicily has better Muslim archers than any Muslim faction save the Turks until they hit Ottoman Infantry/Janissaries?
Either full retard or "muh multiculturalism"
>Why does Spain and Portugal get better javelinmen and javelin cavalry than the Moors they're trying to copy, while the Moors get worse heavy cavalry besides the Christian guard that they try to copy?
Because Spain is one of the five "main" factions of the game, so it has to be really good at a certain specialization even if it historically makes little sense.
>How do you make a faction with as many pikes as Scotland without realizing pikes don't work in this game?
My thesis is that with most minor factions, they just copied the closest major faction with a few unique unites (Milan = Venice, Poortugal = Spain etc.). They couldn't do this with Scotland so they went "eh, whatever. Pikes'.
>>1212632
You get the cuckold nickname when you get the trait "lacks manhood" in which it says something like "men laugh at his face when they tell him off his wifes conquests of othermen"
I don't think there is a gay nickname but you can get the trait inhibited in which it says something like "doesn't seem embarrassed in embracing other men"
>>1225579
.t Othello
>>1225673
I remember when i tried playing egypt,my sides were in orbit when i heared those commander lines,if that game was released today it would have had gotten some mad controversy over that shit it was literally KILL KUFFAR KILL ALL INFIDEL,THE INFIDEL MUST DIE repeated over and over in the most villainous voice acting possible which i personally found fun and entertaining.
>>1225693
Yeah I love how this game makes the generals say the most funniest things. Whenever a Islamic faction joins a jihad it chants "Allah Akbar" in the background. The funniest part is when you have a dreaded commandeer catholic against the Muslims and they say stuff like "These Arabic dogs" or "Desert dogs"
I really like this game
>>1225673
The Muslim factions are victims of the game mechanics themselves in which more provinces mean more money and more recruitment. So the Moors, Turks, and Egypt all start out with the most number of provinces besides France and the HRE even after CA spreads out Middle Eastern provinces as much as possible to close this starting imbalance. And because of the number and population of these provinces they felt that they needed to make Muslim troops more expensive and weaker to balance them out theoretically against cheaper, stronger European troops.
The problem with that however is once a European faction expands a bit they're far more powerful because of these advantages than an equally sized Middle Eastern faction, and should a Muslim faction falter and shrink they get way weaker in comparison to a downsized Euro faction. Basically CA probably came up with England, France, and the other 'major' factions first, then tried to fudge numbers and gimmicks for everyone else.
>>1212461
>byzantines
>worst
They start off far stronger than their neighbors and can field a preponderance of cost efficient professional troops from turn one.
Literally the only thing they don't do well is spearmen, which are the single worst unit type.
>>1213122
The game had shields fucking subtracting from defense value. SUBTRACTING. Peasants had better defense than goddamn sergeants as a result.
Guys with 4 armor, 2 defense skill, and 6 shield had a combined defense of.... 0.
Oh, and halberds and two handed axes, TO THIS DAY, have no animations for attacking horses. None.
They could only inflict losses when charging them, and then stood around and died. A unit of hobilars could literally stand still, get charged, and then rout a unit of varagnian guard. Thsi was "fixed" by giving them halberd animations.
Mace users were ALSO bugged and fucked by animations.
The game was literally broken. God help you if you played England when it first launched and used a lot of billmen.
>>1217908
No, just hard as fuck to use right.
>>1227287
They get gangraped by their neighbours immediately. It's not uncommon to be involved in 5+ wars early into the game.
>>1212560
>cav is OP as fuck
U wot? Nigga do you know how expensive good cav is in the campaign? Also their pathfinding is shit and each units requires micromanaging to pull off a good charge.
>>1213035
hey, empire is underrated.
i love that game to bits.
>>1228652
You can wipe an entire army with just general guard if they don't have their own cavalry.
>>1228697
Yeah, I don't care if it was objectively shit, I had a lot of fun with it. I guess I just like the time period.
>>1229440
Empire's bugs were far more selective I recall, since they were mostly graphical or stability related and never affected me for some reason. Luck maybe. M2TW's bugs were more universal by comparison, so everyone got shafted by the shield and Two-handed weapon bugs.
>>1225673
All bow men are pretty much shit.
Pavaise crossbow men are cheaper and hold up better to missile fire than any other archers except Milans overpriced xbows.
Pavaise xbows will eat up any other archers, and that's all you have to care about, because if you win the skirmish game, then you can force your opponent to advance, and you can shoot him to shreds in the process.
