Why did gunpowder warfare not catch on in 16th century to 19th century Asia the way it did in Europe?
>>1207568
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Empires
Gunpowder was a trademark of Ottoman expansion.
>>1207568
If you think about it, 300 years between the 16th and 19th century isn't a long time. If you're grandpa is 80, and you live to 80, then that's already more than half that time
Anyways, there are a number of reasons. The gunpowder was different. Europeans were incredibly wealthy and could afford it, where as China probably couldn't. Japan blocked any outside foreigners, so they had no clue what Europe was doing. Some people like the Koreas were just too far away to trade with any one producing gunpowder
>>1207568
Ming China was obsessed with firearms (Hongwu had a state manufactory for handcannons) and eagerly imported/reverse-engineered Portuguese/Dutch cannon up until the end of the dynasty and into the Qing.
It certainly did in Japan. Nobunaga was using ranked fire by by the thousands by 1575 and firearms saw major usage afterwards, especially in the battle of Sekigehara (1600). I think cannons saw usage there too.
The jap loved those guns.
>>1207586
>Europeans were incredibly wealthy and could afford it, where as China probably couldn't.
China was the greatest economic power until the industrial revolution.
China didn't feel the need for gunpowder because composite bows outranged and had a faster rate of fire compared to firearms until the mid-19th century. Very few units had firearms before then and were used as shock units due to the noise of them.
>>1207586
>Japs blocked foreigners
The Japanese had already made contact with the Portuguese, Dutch, English, Chinese, and Koreans by the early 1600's.
They had thousands upon thousands of guns. In fact even after they closed trade to foreigners, they continued making guns because they considered them a japanese thing by then.
The only problem was there just wasn't any serious conflict until the 1800's and the country stagnated in its isolation until it was forced open by Perry.
>>1207568
Cause Euros were fighting the Ottomans who famously did use a ton of gunpowder.
>>1207586
the chineese did actually get cannons and limited firearms, but they were all produced and supervised by westerners, who obviously didn't want to give up all the secrets of gunmaking so they made guns of lesser quality for the chineese than there own.
Euros added corn to their gunpowder, making it more powerful
Nobunaga pretty much unified Japan with guns
Guns were widespread pretty much everywhere and the warriors that didn't had methods to deal with gunpowder weapons
Euro was big in the gunpowder war for two reasons. Industrialization: which means every guy had guns but Euros can just crank out more of them. And fucking machine guns, which was invented in America and mostly were only used in small colonial armies since the Euro powers didn't really like them at first (which is understandable since when professional armies did use them it was in WWI).
>>1207787
By Asia op means china and japan, not middle East and India.
>>1207687
China had a large economy, but it's useless if it's concentrated in your area of the world.
>>1207586
Firearms made spears and swords obsolete in Japan in fucking 1575.
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>>1208476
ah, shit, sorry, my mistake
>>1207568
They did. During Portuguese-Malacca war, after the Portuguese btfo Malacca, they captured shitload of cannons and firearms from Malaccan and use it against them. Ming China also have their own firearm industry. The only problem that most Asian countries have is their wet tropical climate mean that sometime their gun is unusable especially during rainy season not to mention the gunpowder itself is hard to make.
>>1207568
It did. What didn't catch on was the ridiculous pace of small arms development that Europeans had.
But it's also a meme to say that the Asians weren't inventing shit with firearms. Japan made a fucking matchlock revolver. China made a musket with detachable pre-loaded barrels for quick firing. Fire one barrel, detach, and slot in a new one handed by a loader.
>>1207687
>China didn't feel the need for gunpowder because composite bows outranged and had a faster rate of fire compared to firearms until the mid-19th century.
China DID need gunpowder for lots of reasons. China DID need small arms because THEY OUTRANGED COMPOSITE BOWS. Meaning nomad fucking shits died on their way to your lines before even getting a shaft off.
Which is exactly how the Late Ming and the Qing fended off and finally put down the Mongs with.
That said, the reason why archery remained popular in China is because the composite bow trumped matchlock/flintlock firearms as mounted weapons. And the Qing had a large cavalry arm. But this arm was dependent on gun-wielding infantry or else they'd just be the same horsefuckers the Mongols, Dzungars, and various other Turkics were.
