>loses the philippines
>talks the president into a pointless campaign to retake them
>alienated allied troops
>keeps the emperor on the throne
Did this fuck do anything right?
>>1190673
Inchon was pretty awesome.
But then he just had to play down the Chink threat.
>>1190686
Nothing he did in WWII had a positive effect, and it is known that he marginalized Australian soldiers under his command
I don't know how or for what purpose I would politicize this
He was an okay military man in carrying out military duties. Problem is generals make strategic decisions, and he was a pretty bad strategician.
>>1190697
Subhuman criminals. He should have killed them all and 4chan would have half as much shitposting as it does today.
>>1190673
>loses the philippines
Because they had no air cover. It was all going to the Soviets per Lend Lease.
>talks the president into a pointless campaign to retake them
America had long standing interests there.
>alienated allied troops
Aussies were of nominal help.
>keeps the emperor on the throne
Had to to keep stability. Soviet take over was a real possibility. It was why he pardoned all of Unit 731 and took all of their research. Couldn't let Stalin get a hold of it.
Terrible military commander, top ten among shoguns though
>>1190697
A POSITIVE EFFECT FOR WHOM?
If we go ask /int/ they'll tell us that marginalising Australians is a good thing.
Stop your fucking value judgements and talk about the value judgements of the time. Australians, for example, loathed Mac, except in Queensland, where they were his whore.
>>1190714
>Because they had no air cover. It was all going to the Soviets per Lend Lease.
Fair enough
>America had long standing interests there.
I fail to see the benefits of a costly campaign to retake the Philippines vs going directly for Taiwan or Ryukyu and on to the mainland of Japan
>Aussies were of nominal help.
Belittling allies serves no purpose, and harms relations
>>1190723
>A POSITIVE EFFECT FOR WHOM?
A positive military effect. IE ending the war faster
Why are you getting so worked up over this?
>>1190710
This. He was loony dominated by "muh feels"
Seriously though if he managed to nuke China like he wanted to the world would have ended up a far shittier place than it is. Truman was a shit for the most part but firing this sack of shit was the best thing he did
>>1190727
he couldnt handle the bants
>>1190673
>loses the philippines
War Plan Orange was a fuckup. Plus with the shitty logistics, I highly doubt even Patton and Eisenhower could hold the Phillipines. And even then, after fucking up the airstrike part and leaving his planes to get fucked, he did pretty decent.
>talks the president into a pointless campaign to retake them
You do realize that the reason why the Japanese had to attack the Phillipines was that it was a atrategic location to launch interdiction missions?
>alienated allied troops
Evidence. And no, you can't use how he handled the Bonus Army Riots as evidence.
>keeps the emperor on the throne
As a powerless figurehead, stripped of his divine mandate and shit.
Macarthur was a horrible blowhard, yes. He was pretty poor compared to literally every other American general (even fucking Stilwell, yes that Stilwell) in WW2, yes. But he sure as hell isn't incompetent.
That feel when we could have nuked china and made japan 2.0 instead of some authoritarian shit hole if truman wasn't communist sympathetic
>>1190724
The Philippines has access to Rubber, Petrol, and Nickle.
>Guns, Bullets, and Boots.
The Philippines also provides a solid stratigic buffer between Japan and Australia.
The Philippines is also a necessary shipping supply route to the fight in Burma, India and China.
Thinking the Philippines is a useless spot of land shows lack of logistical knowledge in war effort.
>>1190724
> I fail to see the benefits of a costly campaign to retake the Philippines vs going directly for Taiwan or Ryukyu and on to the mainland of Japan
Philippines was an American protectorate. It was ours. Those were our people. We weren't going to leave them. Especially if an armistice was declared or we failed to take the mainland.
>Belittling allies serves no purpose, and harms relations
He changed his mind when he saw them in action. His criticisms had more to do with how poorly trained and equipped the Aussies were rather than then their ability to fight.
>>1190673
What's wrong with the Emperor staying around? It didn't cause any fascist uprising and now he's just a powerless figure head.
>>1190753
opees obviously a chinese expat in australia
>>1190747
The Philippines would have been a useless spot of land for the Japanese if they were unable to ship resources home, American submarines were very successful in blockading the mainland
>>1190724
>I fail to see the benefits of a costly campaign to retake the Philippines vs going directly for Taiwan or Ryukyu and on to the mainland of Japan
Philippines
>Occupied Island chain with US Infrastructure and bases a populace that is loyal/friendly to you.
>Oh and Japs humiliated you by taking this place which is under US protection in addition to concentration camping shitloads of US citizens and soldiers.
Taiwan
>Japanese territory.
Think long and hard about this.
>>1190762
Taiwan
>can bomb the mainland
>>1190729
Funny how Japan can move past two atomic bombs and keep friendly relations. Meanwhile I'm 99% sure if we nuked one Chinese city they would never forgive that in a million years.
>>1190761
that doesn't make it useless for our side guy. Strategic value effects both sides differently
Moreover, Sure British and American subs were good at sinking Japanese transport ships but you cannot stop them all. Either way, the value of the resources holds key for Japan. The transportation value holds key for America, UK, and Australia.
>>1190776
>The transportation value holds key for America, UK, and Australia
can you clarify?
>>1190768
>Japanese territory with a populace loyal to them and god knows how many nip soldiers.
>>1190727
You've just claimed absolute hindsight for agents.
I'm worked up because you're playing /pol/ games, not conducting historiography.
Mac's war involved the reassertion of US neo-imperial hegemony over the Philippines. This meant stopping an indigenous liberation, or indigenous revolution. "He would return."
Mac occupied a policy level command, ie: he had input into what the war was for the United States and for what purposes the war was being waged.
You obviously have a different political belief about what the war was to Mac. That's nice, that belongs on >>>/pol/. What belongs here is the actual beliefs that State, the Commonwealth of Australia or Navy had about what the war was and for what purposes it was conducted, and how these differed to Mac's.
I detest the fucking man and his politics, but that shit belongs on a different board.
That's why I'm worked up: you're an off-topic shit poster.
>>1190788
That's why Ryukyu was chosen instead
>>1190773
It would have opened up a whole new can of worms m8
Japan wasn't backed up by a nuclear super power like China was, for one
Moreover it would have set a bad precedent. When we nuked Japan, no one else had the bomb, no one really understood what it meant.
No one really understood what it meant during the Korean war either but thank God we didn't. If we started glassing places like Beijing and Shanghai I'm sure the Soviets wouldn't have minded glassing places like Paris, London, and New York in return
>>1190793
Jesus m8 I just want to talk about MacArthur, who was a historical figure last I checked. I fail to see how anything in this thread is off-topic besides your screaming about /pol/
>>1190673
>talks the president into a pointless campaign to retake them
You underestimate how big the US war machine is in WWII. For starters it was the marines job to capture those shittly little pacific islands . The army was almost doing nothing but scratch its balls or provide armor support. The marines were fucking enough.
When the Philippines was near enough to the US forces, it was entirely the army's game while the marines headed onwards to capture more pacific islands.
The US was NEVER halted or disadvantaged by going to the Philippines. It was just plain advancing and the Japs cant do shit to stop it.
Not to mention clearly the island chain was of importance since the nips sent a naval fleet to prevent MacArthur's landing there, which ensued to one of history's largest naval battles ever.
>>1190808
If you want to talk about a historical figure, talk about him historically. This means leaving your personal value judgements at the door and talking about the value judgements of the time.
The Australians, outside of the US's largest whorehouse Brisbane, hated him. Why?
The Marines hated him. Why?
We don't care why you hated him: your hatred isn't historical.
Learn to reason like a historian instead of shitting your pants in public. If you really need to shit your pants, go the fuck to /pol/
>>1190813
Whatever, buddy. If you think this thread belongs on /pol/, feel free to report and ignore.
>>1190781
Japan held territory in South East Asia and was pressing into China.
Other than Guam and Wake Island (Both of which are not suited well for the job. That being said neither is the Philippines but it is a better launching platform), America had no real staging area other than Australia to launch attacks from. Japan's Occupation of the Philippines blocked/slowed transportation (Traveling though the under belly of Australia took a long McKnight time and was costly more over that made the seas near The Philippines hazardous waters giving sever risk to shipping. Which is not worth the value) of guns, boots, food, oil, and mechanical parts needed in the Theaters in Burma, India, and Vietnam (kek, France)
The cost to just let the Japanese occupy the Philippines meant that Japan has a strategic staging point for Naval Vessels to repair and rearm, as wells as potentially launch an assault from as well.
The Suez canal was a hard risk in the early stages for the war and the UK more than likely paid America to compliment the shipping towards Burma and India Theaters of War.
A Military is made up of roughly 85% logistics effort. If you cannot get that 85% of the military to functionally support that 15% as kicker portion in a effective manor you are losing the war effort. Delays in shipping and transportation are costly, both in dollars and time. War unfortunately cannot have time wasted. War demands efficiency and more than half the battle is won because of good logistics.
>>1190729
Chink detected
He should have fried you gooks
>>1190793
>Mac's war involved the reassertion of US neo-imperial hegemony over the Philippines. This meant stopping an indigenous liberation, or indigenous revolution. "He would return."
>mfw conspiracyshit.
Well he was 10 years too late then.
We promised the Philippines freedom in 1935. The Philippines was ridiculously expensive to keep as a colony, both financially (Great Depression, Flip farmers making East Coast farmers broke) and morally (DA U.S. IS OF FREEDUMBS? LOL U HAV COLONY) Hence the US opted to agree with local nationalists for its independence, of course as a US ally. The Flips were cool with this anyway so in 1935, the Philippine Commonwealth was declared, which was a 10 year preparatory governnment for Flip independence. Preparatory meaning the US sent advisors there like engineers, lawyers to help draft laws, and educators. Hell, Macarthur was pulled out of retirement not only to command the US Army there but to also train the babby Flip Army, which is how he ended up there.
The Flips were actually a Commonwealth like Australia/Canada was. There's a reason why that place loves the US in retard-levels.
>>1190825
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks
>>1190831
West Coast*
>>1190813
Why make a problem where there is none you mong, you are the only one here crying like a little bitch
>>1190831
>Well he was 10 years too late then.
Which is weird given US dominance in PI capital.
Go read Wallerstein.
>>1190838
Read the fucking sticky.
>>1190831
>flips love the US
Not the ones I've met
>>1190847
Go read the post again.
>10 years preparation towards independence.
1935+ 10 = 1945/46
The Philippines only got delayed in its independence in 1946 because of the fucking Japs. Not to mention the war ruining 6 years of work,
>>1190868
>>1190871
Go read my post again. And Wallerstein. And anything on imperialism written after 1945.
>>1190911
>Wallerstein
Outdated crap
>And anything on imperialism written after 1945.
Mostly marxist bullshit really.
>>1190673
but he actually returned and kicked jap ass, but only after 4 fucking years.
>lost the philippines.
is because you americans are too busy fucking with hitler and the nazis because he is more "dangerous" than emperor hiro and his crazy jap imperial army. you went to north africa and europe instead of helping your poor little colony that trusted you to defend them and their freedums.
>>1190812
The Army though did more landings than the Marines had ever done in the Pacific War.
The decisions differed because each of the services wants to do this/that. Army under MacArthur favored the campaign in the South Pacific, the Navy through Central Pacific. With America's military might at that time, they went for both anyway.
>>1190720
Underrated post
>>1190673
No one could have defended the Philippines with the force it had, and taking the Philippines back was both politically and militarily useful.
