>This triggers the Orthodox
>Idol worship
>>1182042
>getting triggered by the Mother of God
wew
>>1182042
>reigns over the entire cosmos
Yep, you triggered me. The Theotokos is "queen of heaven" in the sense of being the mother of the king, not in the sense of having authority.
>>1182110
Who went straight to heaven? It was her.
>>1182046
>Mother of God
Do you understand that by Jesus saying He is the Son of God, that He is claiming to be God Himself?
Does "Mother of God" appear anywhere in the bible?
Then why don't you just fuck right off?
>>1182177
>Then why don't you just fuck right off?
Are you asking me to fuck off? Because I won't.
>following the bible like it's the quran
>>1182110
Semiramis is the Queen of Heaven, exposed by Jeremiah as an idolatrous whore and arousing the anger and wrath of God.
You fool.
>>1182188
I mean that's some pretty good proof to say she queen or some shit
>>1182184
Are you comparing Mary to Semiramis? Are you purely upset by the title? Because if it's the the title, then you should also be upset by the title "El" for YHWH, since the Canaanites used the title for what they worshiped as well.
>>1182197
She is the queen de facto. The mother of the king, in ancient Israel, is the queen (because the king generally had multiple wives but only one mother). When we call Mary the Queen, it is strictly and solely a title for her as the mother of the king, not as some sort of co-ruler.
>>1182206
>She is the queen de facto.
Then were done, she has power, she leads Heaven, that's it.
>>1182110
She is queen of heaven and earth. Or are you denying that? She was appointed so by God.
Still waiting for an explanation as to why God would send her to convert millions of indians to Catholicism and not to Orthodoxy
>>1182206
Are you sad about the destruction of the ERE?
>>1182210
No, the mother of the king of Israel wasn't co-ruler with the king
>>1182215
She is queen by virtue of being mother of the king, not by virtue of co-rulership.
Your Indians are coming to us: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/15/greek-orthodox-church-latin-america_n_7065630.html
>>1182221
Yeah, but such is life.
>>1182248
Judea burned you fool, Mary is in Heaven and she rules it. The Temple in Judea was burned to the ground, don't lie.
>>1182183
Qur'an believes as you do; that Mary has a part in the Trinity.
>>1182188
And "Mother of God" appears NOWHERE.
>>1182199
You worship the Queen of Heaven, who is Semiramis.
You just call her Mary.
The Canaanites are an entirely different vile pile of sewage, and God in the bible is never referred to only as "El".
>>1182206
It's idolatrous bullshit.
>>1182254
Mary isn't the Holy Spirit nor is she God the Father or Christ the son.
>>1182248
>She is queen by virtue of being mother of the king, not by virtue of co-rulership.
Nobody here is saying she is a divinity. What she does, she does because it is the will of God. She can intercede for us and is the mother of all those who have faith.
>Your Indians are coming to us
You keep eluding the point, Shillantine.
If the Orthodox Church is the real Church, why does Mary intercede for the Catholic Church to convert millions of people in one single blow? Why does she ask the Pope to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart with the presence of all Catholic bishops? Seeing as Putin sees the event as 100% real I think you cannot damage control your way out of it by saying it's all bullshit.
Gee, Satan lets you perform sorceries, good for you!
>>1182270
Then nobody should pray to her or expect her to help with their salvation, should they.
>>1182271
All Marian apparitions are demonic in nature. All of them.
>>1182039
but OP, your pic is Tonantzin, aztec earth godess
>>1182297
Are you implying that the Rosary doesn't help in salvation?
Did you guys ever notice that when the Orthodox come up with why they are different from the Catholics, they start speaking like protestants?
Literally the same argument, included the "we wuz original church n shieet"
>>1182301
I don't care what a heretic thinks
>>1182297
>he doesn't know that the battle of Lepanto was won thanks to the intercession of the Virgin Mary
>he doesn't know that the Rosary was instituted in those times
>he doesn't know muslims sources speak of a huge woman in the sky looking with anger and hate at the muslim fleet
Get a hold of this heretic
>>1182251
>Mary is in Heaven and she rules it.
Please show me some Scriptural or Patristic source for this
>>1182257
"Mother of my Lord", same thing
>>1182261
We venerate her the same way Moses venerated his father-in-law (Exodus 18:7)
>>1182271
"Intercede" means to petition the king.
The Catholic Church converted by the sword, that's not due to Mary's intercession anymore that Islamic conversion by the sword is
>>1182343
>Please show me some Scriptural or Patristic source for this
What are we, Muslims? It happened, deal with it.
>>1182307
She goes back to the wife of Nimrod at Babylon too. These things are all related. Semiramis, Isis, Ishtar, and your Tonantzin, all the same woman.
>>1182309
The rosary predates Christianity; it's another pagan leftover that you people foolishly use as mnemonic device.
And OF COURSE beads do not offer salvation.
>>1182312
But you do care what demons say.
Your true nature revealed.
>>1182323
All Marian apparitions are demonic.
>>1182349
Mary was never made ruler of heaven and earth, that's just fabricated, it's fanfic, like Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception
>>1182312
>various very different groups agree on why Catholics are retarded
>this somehow makes them all wrong
>>1182357
that would explain the serpent and the crescent
>>1182343
>"Intercede" means to petition the king.
And? This does not in any way refute anything I have said
>The Catholic Church converted by the sword, that's not due to Mary's intercession anymore that Islamic conversion by the sword is
WOW
At this point I am sure you were a prottie before becoming a protestant. Only a prottie would speak like this and say such falsehood.
The miracle in the OP is the reason why those millions of people converted. Not the sword. Educate yourself. Your amount of delusion is staggering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe
>>1182359
>The rosary predates Christianity; it's another pagan leftover that you people foolishly use as mnemonic device.
The rosary was invented by Christianity. In fact, muslims and buddhists copied it from us and is totally different from ours.
>According to pious tradition, the concept of the rosary was given to Saint Dominic in an apparition of the Virgin Mary in the year 1214 in the church of Prouille. This Marian apparition received the title of Our Lady of the Rosary.[20] In the 15th century it was promoted by Alanus de Rupe (aka Alain de la Roche or Saint Alan of the Rock), a Dominican priest and theologian, who established the "fifteen rosary promises" and started many rosary confraternities.
>>1182364
>>1182366
>64
>66
fuck off satan
Stop inventing history, heretic.
>>1182374
Where do unbaptized children go to?
>>1182309
>>1182323
“prayer beads originated with the Hindu faith.
Using beads for devotions dates to the 8th century BC
in the cult of Shiva. In India sandstone sculptures,
statues ca 185 BC, show Hindus with prayer beads.
The names of Hindu gods and prayers are repeated
on stringed beads, called mala, separated by larger
or different colored beads.”
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
>It's only pagan when they do it.
>>1182384
>>It's only pagan when they do it.
Is it not?
>>1182377
Lot going on there, including a bow with no arrows.
>>1182380
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Demon_Goddess_of_Guadalupe
>>1182398
>We don't know
Because you don't know God.
>>1182398
>We don't know
Well I know, they go to either Limbo or Purgatory, depending on the argument.
>>1182406
Prayer beads aren't Rosaries you dumbass.
Her robe is blue, pleb, or at least supposed to be. She's traditionally always been shown with blue, specifically the shade you get with Lapis Lazuli.
>>1182396
“Often, when religions sought converts,
they allowed them to retain some of their
pagan ways: ceremonial garb, heathen rituals
and traditions; in order to add to their numbers.
This led to spiritual pollution.”
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
>>1182409
Neither exists.
>>1182408
Because Christ never passed on that teaching and we don't make up dogma as we go, like you do
>>1182422
find me evidence of the rosary in the Roman Empire then. I am sure you will be able to find some :)
>>1182414
>It's not pagan if we change the name of the prayer beads we use.
“Pagans had used prayer beads even before the
8th century before CHRIST, and they still use
them today.”
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
>>1182423
>It's not wrong when we do it.
The Bible warns us against use of prayer beads –
Matthew 6:7 says – “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
>>1182430
>Prayer beads
>Rosaries
I need a fucking picture to prove that they are the exact fucking same thing anon.
>>1182423
There are plenty of people who converted to all sorts of false religions because a superstition. Your presence was mainly established there by the sword to begin with
>>1182424
Proof?
>>1182427
No, because you literally do not know God.
>>1182434
“Prayer beads, or prayer rosaries, are really
another form of the “witch’s ladder,” a knotted
rope or cord used to count repetitions during
a spell or ritual. Praying with beads is a spiritual
practice with a long history in most of the world’s
religions.”
-Sacred Mists Shoppe
Janet Farrar & Gavin Bone
>>1182437
Bible.
>>1182433
>vain repetitions
Is the "our father" vain repetition?
The keyword here is "VAIN", you heretic scum
>>1182436
>superstition
A miracle is not superstition, shillantine. One that has never been proved false especially. Now you are speaking like atheists. Everytime you divert from truth, you start speaking like one of the false teachers. Think about that.
>Your presence was mainly established there by the sword to begin with
Nice prottie meme
So I take it you admit you have no explanation for this, other than atheistic scepticism and a fundamentalist protestant's view of history
>>1182480
>We have a yearly miracle, the Holy Fire, and it's real
>and it's real
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Miracles in the Catholic Church get tested and analysed by seculars scientists to prove them they are real. Your holy fire is never tested to scrutiny because it is totally fake and you know it.
>>1182485
>Miracles in the Catholic Church get tested and analysed by seculars scientists to prove them they are real
You mean now, yeah. Back then no.
>>1182480
One miracle isn't enough to be the true Church.
Catholic Church has literally thousands of much better ones.
Pic related is an example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Lanciano
>>1182497
>back then no
Do you mean when the scientific method and chemical analysis weren't a thing yet? Well, obviously not. What a shitty comeback. Shame on you.
Many of those miracles are still visible and measurable today for example. The miracle in the OP is one example. Considering the material, the image should have faded due to usury a long time ago, but it's still there as strong as ever.
>>1182485
>get tested and analysed by seculars scientists
Catholic* scientists
>>1182516
Nigga I'm just trying to pull you out of an argument that I know you ain't gonna win.
>>1182177
>ctrl f "trinity" in the bible
>0 results found
If Catholicism is the true faith why is it then that the top dog predominantly christian great powers are either ruled by and predominantly populated by protestants or orthodox?
Check and mate
>>1182521
your excuses are getting more and more pathetic. Whoever does the tests, their data is scientific and available for everyone to read. The Church has many enemies, in most cases it is a mixed equipe of catholic and secular scientists doing the job; literally nothing wrong with that.
Still light years ahead of the holy fire never being allowed for secular scrutiny
>>1182526
Shillantine put your trip back on
>>1182343
>The Catholic Church converted by the sword,
You got BTFO the last time you tried this one
But I know how you are Constantine
You will ignore every time your arguments are refuted and continue to spout the same bullshit over and over again
Here's an interesting one for you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_missions
>>1182537
Actually you could make the case that 99% of the great powers throughout history were neither jewish (during the times of the OT) nor Christian (from 0 AD to later).
So you are kind of admitting that the Catholics are the true Christians.
Check and mate and BTFO
>>1182541
Nigga I got a penis and I got books on how to defend the Catholic faith. (Courtesy of the Jesuit friends I have)
I'm just saying to you, senpai, is that the road your taking isn't gonna help me try to argue with Shillantine.
>>1182549
*nor Catholic
>>1182550
Nothing is going to help me reach that shill because she has itchy ears.
She is the one that started comparing each other's genitals by saying "hurr durr we got the holy fire" as if the Catholic Church does not have plenty of miracles as its witness. Actually we have many more than the OC.
>>1182343
MOSES NEVER TRIED TO TALK TO HIS DEAD FATHER IN LAW YOU FUCKING PAGAN
>>1182549
All that matters is the endgame, catholics aren't going to usurp the status of the US or Russia
Check and mate yet again
>>1182571
"my Kingdom is not of this world"
Check and mate and BTFO again ;)
>>1182428
Rome is Babylon.
>>1182452
Yes, the bible suffices.
Men with strange hats add nothing to the bible.
>>1182472
Say 50 Hail Marys and get back to me on that.
>>1182576
your mum is Babylon the great. "The great" because she is a fat fuck
>>1182480
No, because you literally have no idea who Jesus is.
You have never met Him.
>>1182582
already did earlier today. I pray the Rosary everyday
>>1182534
>ctrl f "bible" in the bible
>0 results found
>>1182588
>Nigga a dick waving competition isn't what we should be doing.
I know, I agree with you. She started though. I just replied to her nonsense.
>>1182583
She's trying to thin down a bit.
>>1182589
Vain
Repetitions
>>1182594
>ctrl f "sola scriptura" in the bible
>0 results found
>>1182599
Repetitions: yes
vain: no
>>1182575
>damage control
Trying to shift the core of the argument eh?
FUNNY HOW RUSSIA AND MURICA HAVE BOTH TRANSCENDED THIS WORLD AS THE FIRSTS AND HAVE PIERCED THE HEAVENS TO ENTER SPACE
>>1182597
>She started though
So? Don't respond to it, sandbag the hell out of bullshit like that. A miracle is a miracle, the fact that the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church can have them is a testament to what they are (the right Church.). You don't see protestants having miracles because God has no respect for them.
>>1182607
did I trigger you, satan?
>>1182605
Vain repetitions to a dead woman.
>>1182624
Mary isn't dead.
>>1182603
You must have not read 2 Timothy 3:16-17 then.
>>1182616
>So? Don't respond to it, sandbag the hell out of bullshit like that
I know. I just hated how she used that as a cop out and to distract from the main topic where she got BTFO. I guess she succeeded though.
>You don't see protestants having miracles because God has no respect for them.
true
>>1182624
>mary
>dead
top heresy m8
>>1182616
Demonic counterfeits are demonic counterfeits.
They draw people to Marian apparitions, which are demonic.
Real miracles draw people to Jesus.
>>1182619
HSSSSSS
Ok for real now, I just gave that argument to show that the true religion can't be found by looking at worldly things such as converts or powerful states
>>1182624
Mark 12:26-27
"But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken."
>>1182629
>>ctrl f "sola scriptura" in 2 Timothy 3:16-17
>0 results found
nope, no sola scriptura.
Nothing in those verses says "scriptures" are "sola" as in "only" or "unique" btw. Also pic related.
>>1182629
>profitable
>>1182634
Some apparitions are false, but that's because the devil wants you to think they all are.
Think about it for a moment. If apparitions were true...what would be the first thing the devil does to fight them? Try to imitate them and discredit them so people don't believe in them anymore.
You, as a good goy, believe that just like he wants you to.
See this video to learn about apparitions and how to spot the real ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhabDczs0uE
>>1182042
She is the mother of God, she deserves worship and prayer.
Ave Maria.
>>1182661
t. prottie
>>1182661
>mother of God
God doesn't have a mother, he has neither beginning nor end.
>>1182667
>Calling someone mother means calling them creator
Prots confirmed for autistic
>>1182637
>12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
>>1182671
>leaving out the rest of the passage when it makes it indisputable that it's referring to Mary
For what purpose
>>1182679
Because he's shitposting blasphemous shit.
>>1182667
she gave birth to Jesus
she is the mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
she is the mother of God
If you deny that the is the mother of God, then you deny that Jesus is God.
She gabe birth to Jesus, to his body, which had divine nature in it since its conception in her womb. She didn't create nor generate the divine nature in him.
>>1182679
>for what purpose
no purpose
>>1182693
>the Bible is blasphemous shit
I don't even...
>>1182694
Well, when you put it that way, then alright.
>>1182711
>leaving the rest of the passage out
Yes that's blasphemous. Quote the whole thing or quote none of it.
>>1182718
there is nothing blasphemous about not quoting a thousand verses, but here you go:
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
>>1182184
>Semiramis is the Queen of Heaven
No you fuck. She was the legendary wife of an Assyrian King and later succeeded him to the Assyrian throne.
>>1182713
That is what the Catholic Church believes, not my own interpretation. It was also very important in fighting heresies that denied the divinity of Jesus. Jesus was both God and human in nature since the very first moment of his conception in Mary's womb.
>>1182039
ITT: butthurt heretics
when will they learn?
But Mary also appeared to the Orthodox brethren in Egypt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHaNMTRF1o
>>1182770
Hold up, aren't they both Catholic?
>>1182783
Well good on them, did it help convert the natives?
>>1182783
If it's not officially recognized by the Roman Catholic church it didn't happen tbqh
>>1182042
>Copying pagans that ate half your empire.
>>1182783
>Orthodox Church
*Coptic Church
>>1182787
nope
>>1182792
Nigga it doesn't matter if it's endorsed by the Catholic Church or not, Mary is Mary and by Christ if she's shows up it's pretty important.
>>1182805
t. Coptic schismatic
It didn't happen
>>1182804
Well shucks, at least Guadalupe help reaffirm to the natives that they could convert and everything would be alright.
>>1182786
I meant the general tone of the thread
>>1182801
>inb4 "THEY CALL THEMSELVES ORIENTAL ORTHODOX SO THEY'RE PART OF THE EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH BY NAME HERETIC"
>>1182809
>implying
Anon, It's Mary. It's a miracle, why shit on the Church and instead realize that it's still a miracle.
>>1182818
>Copts say they have a miracle
>They don't
>>1182824
But I'm not Orthodox.
>>1182841
>Miracle not recognized by anyone other than the copts
>Expects anyone else to recognize it
Nah
>>1182851
No one recognizes any RCC miracles except the RCC
>>1182851
But I have the rosaries and the books senpai.
It's Mary, all apparitions of Mary must be respected, even if it's from a different sect of the Church.
>>1182865
>RCC
Stop calling it that.
>>1182865
>RCC
>using prottie terminology
It's called One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church ;)
>>1182868
Demonic apparitions are not to be respected at all.
and they're quite real.
Every Marian apparition is demonic.
>>1182628
Did God know that when He forbid people to try to contact those who had died, knowing that left suckers open for demonic apparitions?
>>1182907
The only demon here is the one that cries about "The Whore"
>>1182910
No demon will warn you that the RCC is the Whore of Babylon. It's against their best interests. They're perfectly happy nesting in the Vatican, watching people thinking that they're eating and drinking human flesh and blood.
>>1182889
And a Freemasonic newspaper/magazine testified to it if I remember correctly.
>>1182637
Did God know they were dead when He forbade attempting to contact the dead?
God here is saying that Abraham is alive, in heaven, and that He is Abraham's God.
Not that He was Abraham's God.
And that has nothing to do with trying to contact Abraham.
>>1182645
All the traditions were written into the scriptures.
>>1182911
I don't do ;) shit.
>>1182647
Christians experience miracles literally every second around the world.
Real actual miracles.
Not demonic apparitions of idols bleeding from their eyes and giving false prophecies.
>>1182648
>Jesus is a happy merchant. Deal with it.
>>1182917
The only whore here is you anon.
>>1182660
Think about it.
None of them are true.
They are all demonic. They all foster a belief in MARY, who is not God.
>>1182661
No, no she does not. Nor can she hear you. She's dead.
>>1182926
Ah so you don't understand English grammar
>>1182913
I see no argument
>>1182911
No really. Would you correct someone if he calls you Jack even though your name is John? You would simply point out the truth
>>1182919
What's your point? And how do you define a newspaper as "freemasonic"? That does not make any sense
>>1182923
>ctrl + f: "All the traditions were written into the scriptures"
>search results: 0
>>1182936
Refer to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhabDczs0uE
>>1182668
"Mother of God" is not in the bible.
Jesus created Mary.
Mary did not create Jesus.
You're literally a polytheist.
>>1182671
That's Israel, numbnuts. Read the dreams of Joseph.
>>1182940
No, I do, I'm just to tired to be asked to do it.
>>1182679
It's Israel. 12 stars are 12 brothers, all sons of Israel.
>>1182694
You're an absolute idiot.
If Mary is the Mother of God, and kind begets kind, then Mary MUST BE GOD.
When Jesus says He is the Son of God, HE IS SAYING THAT HE IS GOD.
>>1182909
There is difference between actually communicating with the dead using necromancy as the Witch of Endor did to drag the spirit of Samual out of sheol, and simply asking that those in heaven pray for our souls.
Conflating the two is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
>>1182730
Israel
Messiah
Devil
7 heads, 10 horns = Kingdom of the Antichrist
1/3 of stars = 1/3 of the angels fell
Man child is Jesus
Israel fled to the wilderness, to Petra, to Jordan, during the Tribulation
War in heaven, devil cast to earth, wrath of God begins.
Israel hides there, in Jordan, for 3 1/2 years.
Wrath of God unloaded on earth.
Second Coming of Jesus Christ as King.
>>1182735
Babylonian. Semiramis of Babylon. Assyria overthrew the Babylonians.
>>1182948
It is both Mary and the Church. The Church is the continuation of Israel and therefore it's the same thing defining it as one or the other.
The language is very symbolical and has many layers. For example here the woman is also equated to the Ark of the Covenant.
>>1182956
>If Mary is the Mother of God, and kind begets kind, then Mary MUST BE GOD.
She doesn't beget, she gives birth. Two different things. She is not God, she is just the mother of God. The logic is crystal clear, if you don't understand it you are mentally disabled, no other explanation possible.
>When Jesus says He is the Son of God, HE IS SAYING THAT HE IS GOD.
Yes, we can all agree on that.
>>1182741
>since the very first moment of his conception in Mary's womb.
Spotted the polytheist.
>>1182943
except it's not different terminology at all, I can trigger you with my choice of words as much as I'd want in fact Arian got fucked at the Nicean council because he couldn't agree with the word homooesia
It has even been used to establish your very own church
>>1182770
We know the truth.
You'll learn the truth in an atmo of 2500 degrees centigrade.
>>1182946
>Jesus created Mary.
You calling him a polytheist is like calling the kettle black. At least he has the benefit of numbers a lot of people call Mary that. Your type of Christian hit it's peak in 376 AD with twenty members and now it is just you and your cousin that believe this.
Still Islam is the true religion.
>>1182783
ALL MARIAN APPARITIONS ARE DEMONIC
>>1182977
>Still Islam is the true religion.
No?
>>1182977
This tbhqhwyms
>>1182943
You say contacting Mary in the afterlife is not sorcery, necromancy, idolatry and witchcraft.
You say that because "Mary is alive" in heaven.
I merely asked you if God knew that Mary would be alive, in heaven, when He forbade anyone from attempting to commune with the dead.
And don't give me this 1854 ex cathedra Mary never died bullshit.
>>1182984
RCC friendo
>>1182967
>It's not pagan idolatry when we do it, only when they do it. Trust me.
>>1182973
It's neither. It's Israel.
Oh, you're the idiotic "Mary is the ark of the New Covenant" asshole. Get #rekt.
>>1182973
Are you even close to serious?
Do you know what the word "beget" means?
>>1182977
My kind of Christianity is the only kind. New creations in Christ Jesus filled with the Holy Spirit of God.
The rest of you are just mentally masturbating.
>>1182984
If there is only one God, how is it that Jesus was created in Mary's womb?
>>1182039
serious historians and art scholars are pretty sure it was made by human hands, despite all the "miraculous" features found by modern believers
>>1182997
>Israel
You mean Judea.
You're all wrong faggots, also eterbal damnation awaits no one, just follow the ten commandments and be a good person in general pretty please?
t. Jew
>>1183012
Shut up Jew, you're going in the oven.
>>1182992
>You say contacting Mary in the afterlife is not sorcery, necromancy, idolatry and witchcraft.
She is in heaven, she isn't dead.
>I merely asked you if God knew that Mary would be alive, in heaven, when He forbade anyone from attempting to commune with the dead.
She is not dead, so your point is refuted in principle by facts
>And don't give me this 1854 ex cathedra Mary never died bullshit.
The fact that you reject truth does not change truth. Contrary to what protties believe, God does not create a religion made of "individual interpretations by free-thinking christians divided into thousands of differing sects", he creates a religion of truth. Period.
>>1182995
ok heretic ;)
>>1183000
Yes. Still different from what you imply.
>>1183005
He wasn't created in Mary's womb in his divinity. His divinity was in Mary's womb since the moment of his conception as a body made of flesh and made of both human and divine nature. Just like his divine and human nature are inseparable, so isn't he inseparable from his mother, who is the mother of God because Jesus is God. It's very simple.
>>1183010
No, the 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Israel, Judah just being one of them.
Just as in Joseph's dream.
Just as in the Revelation.
And using that passage, we can pinpoint Jesus' birth, because it's literally written in the stars.
Virgo
Draco
Sun
Moon
12 stars
In exactly that alignment.
2nd week of September, 6 BC
>>1183024
*so is he inseparable
>>1183024
>She is in heaven, she isn't dead.
Was Samuel dead when the Witch at Endor raised his spirit?
>It's not necromancy, witchcraft and sorcery when we do it, only when they do it.
God created no religions.
Jesus died to set men free of religions.
>>1183026
What the hell is this whore saying?
>>1183024
>He wasn't created in Mary's womb in his divinity. His divinity was in Mary's womb since the moment of his conception as a body made of flesh and made of both human and divine nature. Just like his divine and human nature are inseparable, so isn't he inseparable from his mother, who is the mother of God because Jesus is God. It's very simple.
Yes, it's very simple heresy.
>>1183034
The truth, which you're allergic to.
>>1183026
>Jesus
>Virgo
no fucking way.
>>1183042
Proofs?
>>1183043
kek
Yes, but that's not the bit that's interesting. The constellations, that used to tell the story of the earth but were perverted by the Chaldeans, also told the story of the birth of Christ.
That star that led the parthian wise men to Jerusalem was not an accident; the ancients used to know how to read the sky.
Now we ignore it because we cannot see it due to light pollution.
>>1183045
Bible.
>>1183032
>Was Samuel dead when the Witch at Endor raised his spirit?
Unless he was raising Mary's spirit, none of what you say has any relevance nor refutes anything.
Mary isn't dead. You are not raising her spirit, you pray for her intercession. When she appears as in Fatima she is sent by God to deliver a message to the Church. You are not part of the Church so this does not affect anyway. You are a heretic.
>God created no religions.
>Jesus died to set men free of religions.
WEW top heresy m8.
This is the kind of stuff that send people to hell. I beg you to reconsider and repent.
>>1183036
Very simple
>>1183046
>heathen
Careful with that edge, heretic ;)
>>1183060
*does not affect you
>>1183036
No argument left I see
>>1182110
She's also wife of the king so there is that.
>>1183066
Make me go away
>>1183081
>you're an heretic
>Nestorianism teaches
The pot calling the kettle black
>>1183024
Show me in the bible where Jesus called Mary "mother".
>>1182042
This
>>1183103
I identified you, or whomever, as Nestorian for believing that Jesus had two natures, and one creation. It's pure heresy.
Moreover, it's from the spirit of Antichrist that denies that Jesus came down from heaven in the flesh.
>>1183104
>muh Bible
You twist the words to mean what you want them to mean, so why should I bother?
>>1182996
It's simple logic bro.
There was no heaven as the final abode of the saved prior to Jesus, therefore the dead were dead, so any proscriptions against necromancy must be viewed in that context.
If you actually are a Christian and you adhere to the belief that those who are saved have eternal life then those that are in heaven cannot be dead, and asking for their prayers cannot be necromancy anymore than asking the man in the next room to pray for you is necromancy.
If you disagree with that logic it's you that's the heretic as you are denying that Jesus died for our sins.
>>1183112
I'll show you where Jesus called Mary "woman" many times.
I'll show you where Jesus wrestled Jacob, where Jesus consulted Joshua, where Jesus walked in the Garden with Adam and Eve.
And you'll miss all of it, because you are a heretic.
>>1183101
Glad you calmed down
>>1183115
Bullshit. Even during the life of Jesus, the righteous dead went to the Bosom of Abraham, and the doomed went to Torment. Sheol. The abode of the dead.
Where they are all very much conscious, and very much real.
By witchcraft, you do not contact them; you are deceived by demons who know more about them than you do.
>>1183121
What the hell you talking about?
>>1183142
You cannot use "two natures" and "hypostatic union" in the same sentence without a negation of Jesus having two natures.
You're simply an heretic. Deal with it.
Mary is not the mother of God because God created the universe, and God is One.
Jesus was frequently annoyed by His mother, obviously. So trying to get on His good side by deifying her is stupid.
>>1183133
Oh nothing
>>1183158
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostatic_union
>>1182661
>she deserves worship
Thanks for admitting it's worship you pagan subhuman.
>>1183164
I know what it is.
It is not "two natures".
>>1183164
Look up Nestorian while you're at it. That's you.
>Getting your religion from wiki.
>>1183177
I know, right? It walks like a duck, looks like a duck, swims like a duck, flies like a duck, produces ducking offspring, quacks like a duck, has water roll off its back like a duck, but somehow, just somehow, it isn't a duck unless it's in YOUR yard.
>>1183158
>Jesus was frequently annoyed by His mother, obviously. So trying to get on His good side by deifying her is stupid.
So you are saying that Jesus sinned and didn't follow the commandments:
>Honour thy father and thy mother
If you want I can explain you why he calls her woman, and why it is a sign of respect and signifies her importance
>>1183179
You are a heretic that goes against Christology even recognized by protestants. I am starting to think you guys are just baiting and don't even believe any of the bullshit you are spouting
>>1183182
>Look up Nestorian while you're at it. That's you.
I know about nestorianism. It isn't what I am advocating for at all. It is actually what you are advocating for. Christ has two natures and one hypostasis. By saying Mary is not the mother of God you imply that he has two natures and two hypostasis, which is a heresy
>>Getting your religion from wiki.
I just used it to point you in the direction of truth. Even if I got my religion from wikipedia, it would be miles ahead of getting it from chick tracts as you do
>>1183032
> Was Samuel dead when the Witch at Endor raised his spirit?
Obviously.
Hence the whole "harrowing of hell" tradition.
>>1183132
Not bullshit friend.
The righteous dead were still dead.
Claiming otherwise undermines the entire basis of Christianity.
Why did Jesus come to earth if he didn't actually change anything?
>>1183194
No, I'm saying that Jesus did not worship His mother, and neither should you.
Jesus worshiped the Father, and so should you.
If you don't think that Christians know Jesus is God, you're just a fool. Jesus has one nature, as Jesus is God. He is the Son of Man, and the Son of God. At once. And always.
>>1183206
So it was forbidden to try to communicate with Samuel, even though he was "alive" on the other side of the veil, but it's cool to attempt to communicate with Mary, who also died.
Mind Control. It's the only viable explanation. Jesuit Mind Control.
>>1183221
Read about the story of the certain rich man and the beggar Lazarus as told by Jesus Himself.
Not only did both men die and go to their respective eternal destinations, but the one was in comfort, and the other wanted water to drip on his tongue, as he was in torment. Hot. Not lake of fire hot, but hot.
They had bodies that could feel, could talk, knew themselves. Could reason. They were just as they were in life, except resurrected the one to life, and the other to shame and damnation.
Mary died and went to heaven.
She has never heard from anyone on earth, ever, at any time.
>>1183272
inb4 it's a parable.
It has no higher meaning, no spiritual allegory. It's the story of two real men, a certain rich man described so the hearers would know who Jesus was talking about, and the beggar Lazarus who camped out at the rich man's gate.
No parable has specific people identified in it. No parable has no upper story meaning.
>>1183251
>No, I'm saying that Jesus did not worship His mother
Never said he did, he honoured her. The word used in the ten commandments btw, in hebrew does not just mean "honour" in the way we use it. It also means to "glorify". That means that Jesus glorifies his mother by having her next to him in heaven and giving her the title of queen of heaven, who is above the angels. She is still a human, not divine, but worthy of veneration, more than any other prophet or saint.
>and neither should you.
We don't worship Mary, we venerate her as an examply of love for God and obedience to his commandments, and we ask her to pray to God for us.
>Jesus worshiped the Father, and so should you.
I worship the Trinity. You keep stramanning but none of what you say is true anon.
> Jesus has one nature, as Jesus is God
So Jesus is not ALSO human, and not EXCLUSIVELY divine? Top heresy m8
Heresies like this will bring you to hell. I am warning you because I love you. Repent.
>>1183258
>Mind Control. It's the only viable explanation. Jesuit Mind Control.
Ebin meme m8
Here is a Jesuit btw, he is a very nice guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-O5A2pIunc
>>1183304
*and EXCLUSIVELY
>>1183258
but Samuel wasn't alive on the other side of the veil. He was in Sheol which is not the same thing as heaven.
>>1183272
So in other words one was alive and one was dead. I'm not seeing how that undermines my argument.
>>1182972
Syria actually. Semmy came from Syria.
>>1183032
Samuel, yes.
Mary, however, did not die. It would be an afront to God's Majesty if the Mother of the Incarnation were to taste death.
>>1183304
Show me where Jesus honored His mother.
You know, in the bible.
You idiots worship her as a goddess. You really do.
>>1183447
>You idiots worship her as a goddess. You really do.
we don't, no matter how many times you repeat it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4m2nc-5UAA
>>1183455
> He was alive in Hades as much as anyone else was.
Which is to say, not at all.
>>1183474
Being aware other denominations say you do, and you saying you don't =/= not worshipping Mary. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck..
>>1183603
>Being aware other denominations say you do
And I say other denominations commit acts of sodomy, yet does that make it true?
>>1183603
whatever makes you sleep at night, heretic.
Just remember:
trive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
Your time for repentance is limited, use that time wisely
>>1183633
*And he said unto them, 24Strive
Oh boy, christcuck slapfights again.
>>1183658
>cucking for the end of times
>>1183447
>Show me where Jesus honored His mother.
>You know, in the bible.
>"Hey Jesus, they ran out of booze"
>"And?"
>"Can't you make more?"
>"Mom, if I do that then the Hour of my Passion will draw near. You realize that right?"
>Goes on to heed His mom's request
Ain't that honoring a parent?
