Who was the most benevolent dictator?
>>1168758
Aurelius
Fidel Castro
George Washington
Augustus
>>1168779
dictator always was a buzzword
Was this guy good?
>>1168789
he was the best
>>1168758
The one that RELEASED us from our lustful desires of course, /his/ knows who I'm talking about right?
>>1168809
No.
Based Tito
Probably some Roman one
>>1168794
Who is that semen demon?
Tito or Cyrus
>>1168779
How was Aurelius not a dictator?
>>1168850
Just because he defied Stalin doesn't make him a good person, he was a brutal communist dictator.
>>1168809
The answer is clearly not any dictator backed by the US.
>>1168886
How about anyone that doesn't put the interests of his country first? Why are the ones backed by a specific country the bad ones?
>>1168929
Sorry.
I'll put a trigger warning next time.
>>1168779
>Is dictator a buzzword now? None of those people are except Castro.
what? dictator just means sole ruler with ultimate authority in their realm. George wasn't, of course, but augustus and aurelius were prime examples
>>1168886
The ones we put in charge of South Korea and West Germany were breddy gud.
>>1168935
Not American.
And that was not an argument.
>>1168758
Peisistratus
>>1168883
Not really.
Tito created the most ethical and successful socialist state due to his tolerance of market dynamics and disinterest in Marxist-Leninist authoritarianism.
He should have been more tolerant of political dissent, and more open to a free press, but his paranoia was completely justified, given that the West distrusted him for being too socialist and that the Eastern Bloc distrusted him for being too libertarian.
>>1169151
What do you mean? How did Yugoslavian economy differ from USSR's for instance?
>>1168758
Leto II Atriedes.
Secher Nbiw
>>1169151
>the most ethical and successful socialist state
where did I put my Voltaire?
Antoninus Pious and Aurelius.
Antoninus, judging by what Aurelius and other wrote was probably more virtuous than Aurelius. By the Stoic definition (that both would assume), from the little we know, Antoninus was likely even the better philosopher of the two.
Louis IX nowadays is very underrated due to anti-religious feelings in the West, but he was about on the same level as those two. Unfortunately, his successors were not as great as he was.
>>1168937
>dictator just means sole ruler with ultimate authority in their realm
No it doesn't you idiot
>>1168758
Cincinnatus
>>1169404
This. Dude was the very model of a Roman citizen
>>1169404
Gave up total power twice to go live on a farm.
>>1168758
Josip Broz Tito by a very, very wide margin.
Lee-Kuan Yu was pretty great, though I guess not technically a dictator
>>1168849
This and Tito, easily.
>>1168758
Cincinnatus, objectively. This is not even up for debate.
>>1168758
Gaddafi was pretty cool to be honest, I wonder if his regime was better than what the Libyan king's would have been.
>>1169853
based Muammar
rip bro
libya is kill
>>1169189
It was actually run by the workers
Instead of state bureaucracy handling everything, much of the power was held by labor unions which had some bargaining power against the central government
>>1169853
Too bad G-daddy ended up going nuts and hiring a bunch of qt3.14s to be his bodyguards instead of having an actual elite stormtrooper corps to protect him from the lynch mob.
>>1169901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAzBTgKUh8
We did nothing with Gaddafi ;)
He dindu nuffin
>>1169853
You either die young and handsome
Or as an old lesbian
>>1168883
listen to this guy
>>1169151
My parents both grew up in socialist yugoslavia. They didn't even consider themselves true communists, and they weren't. My mother likes to reiterate how they really had no political freedoms, but they had all the personal ones. She's old fashioned though, pretty sure gays and shit didn't have the greatest time.
In any case, Tito was widely adored and even loved by some of the populace. Did he have a political stranglehold over the country? Yes. Was he entirely just and benevolent? Of course not. But he was able to bring together several extremely similar and related peoples/cultures together that had been violently split many times in the past, strengthen all of the southern slavs into a significant world entity and nurse their economy, AND showed up both the americans and the russians with his resolute neutrality right on the eve of the Cold War. The Balkan fallout in the 90s is absolutely testament to the way he was able to keep things together.
Yugoslavia was a great country led by a smart and competent man. I would rather resurrect him and give him all power than continue to watch this absolute fucking disgrace of a political circus run by inbred aristocratic motherfucking weasely pieces of shit
That bullshit that tore the balkans apart is exactly what is going on with /pol/ etc these days. A spoiled, uneasy populace is striking out at their own mediocrity with race-based elitism. And the worst part isn't even the hysterical people, it's the motherfucking political snakes that will take advantage of it to profit like never before (not talking about trump)
sorry this turned into /pol/, I really did not want that but oh well. Tito was based af.
>>1168850
Cyrus the great invented human rights and is the most likely inspiration for the Judaeo christian idea of god. I'd say he fits the bill.
Cincinnatus.
>Tfw you just want to grow your fucking olives and your dipshit Senate needs you to go to war
Pedro I of Brazil was a nice guy with good ideas but no desire to rule. Kind of a shame.
>>1170008
Cincinnatus most certainly existed.
>>1170083
His UA is bullshit. But Brazilwood camps are op as fuark
>>1169520
>>1169818
>eliminates political opposition when they've outlived their usefulness
>cooperates with the British to remove the commies in his party that helped him get to power once the 1959 elections were done
>insults and threatens voters during elections to the point of threatenng with the military
>sues rival politicians and dissenters
>writes out individual freedoms from Constitution
>arrests Catholics for being Catholics
>arrests JWs for not wanting to serve in the Armed Forces
>leaves behind a despotic party that continues what he did, they've even gone on to teenagers in recent times
>some of his best friends are despots, actually, most of them were African despots
He counts as one.
Lee Kuan Yew
>>1168758
no one can compete with General Franco
>>1169901
he had female guards as a protection from islamists because they believe if they are killed by women there'd be no heaven for them
>>1168850
Tito ruined the Yugoslav economy by taking out loans that he could never repay. He only looks good because the loans only had to be repayed after he died. That, and he did nothing to elevate the poorer regions to the same level as Slavonia, Zagreb, and Slovenia. Fuck Tito, and anyone who defends him.
Is the word 'Dictator' a pejorative all over the world or just in the cucked Western world because of 'le hitler and Nazis'?
>>1168758
Fidel Castro.
I'm not even trolling the commies, he was truly benevolent enough to do a plebiscite asking if the people still wanted him, gave ample freedom for political movements and parties to act on it and respected the results when they answered "No".
>>1168945
Syngman Rhee was a war criminal and a brutal dictator
>>1170797
He had peaceful relations with all nations.
>>1168789
He wasn't just good he was great a true example of benevolent dictator.
>>1170950
He's probably a salty greekboo or something.
Park Chung Hee
>>1170797
pay denbts Stephanopoulos
>>1171485
My name is Papadulousousousousous, get it right
>>1170797
>t*rks
epic meme
Paul Kagame
>CRTL+F
>Lee Kuan Yew
>1 result
/his/ I am dissapoint.
Ramesses II
>>1170028
>inspiration for the Judaeo christian idea of god
That is stretching the truth very far indeed. Yahweh was compounded from many sources in the make centuries before Cyrus, from Amenhotep's monotheism onwards.
>>1168758
Jesus Christ
>>1168758
Julius Caesar
>>1168758
Who is that in the OP pic?
Marcus Aurelius
>>1169399
Literally exactly what dictator means. The first "dictators" were those who "dictate" policy for the Romans during times of crisis, overriding the senate.
Dictator is just someone who has ultimate authority over the country/kingdom/empire etc
Gustav III of Sweden.
When he saw how corrupt his parliament was, he overthrew them and became a despot. He introduced freedom of the press before it was cool. Abolished torture and capital punishment. Funded the arts out of his own personal wealth.
When he was shot in the spine during an uprising, he stayed alive just long enough to quell the rebellion, then forgave everyone involved, because he was a badass.
>>1168829
This.
>>1171829
It's actually a shinto buddhist priest from a hentai show where old men rape young girls in exchange for fame.
>>1171945
Well I was not expecting that answer.
>>1169998
>beloved by the populace
Half the people here hate him.
>nurse their economy
He left a massive foreign debt which was one of the reasons yugoslavia split.
And maybe if he turned it into a confedaracy or tried to do anything about the tensions in the federation it would still exist today.
Also, why is it always foreigners that suck Tito's cock?
>>1168758
Gadaffi
Saddam
al-Assad
>inb4 muh genocide
Nothing wrong with killing terrorists
>>1171661
NTG, but inspirational for the modern variant of said Christian god and egalitarianism in general, at the very least. Yahweh wasn't particularly concerned about human rights in his youth.
Granted, neither were any of the gods Cyrus worshipped - nor any of the era in general, save maybe some minor Egyptian ones. All the more reason to give the guy brownie points though.
>>1168779
Dictator has always been a buzzword, Augustus was literally the ultimate marker of the latest possible point at which the Roman Republic became a dictatorial Empire, Aurelius literally inspired the word dictator, and George Washington is the only president of the US to not have any popular vote to elect him.
>>1172252
I really don't understand why some of you faggots praise Saddam so much. The fact that Iraq might be worse off after his regime doesn't make him a benevolent dictator. Iraq had a relatively bright future until he came in.
>>1168758
Pinochet
>>1172252
I'll take the bait...
Gadaffi, yes. Hell yes, really.
Saddam was kinda average for dictators of his region, but certainly Iraq was far better off with him than without him. Do have to give him some credit for keeping that powder keg under control.
Al-Assad... No... I mean, I get that the civil war he's facing isn't exactly grass roots, and he has every right to power - but when you stay in power, even though it means the exodus of more than half your population, the title of "good ruler" is forever out of reach. He could have easily quelled the whole issue by putting in a puppet and/or closing shop for the Russians.
>>1172315
Because Gaddafi, Saddam, and al-Assad are legit world-class heroes pal. Watch your step.
>>1172318
Al-Assad is saving his country from foreign invasion just like Ian Smith was saving Rhodesia from Mugabe. He's doing the best he can to stop IS and save the nation from the even worse "National Coalition".
>>1172324
Heroes to whom? /pol/acks? I'd like to think you're just joking with me.
>>1172315
He came in the 70's, when we put him in, and Iraq was going nowhere but up, until 1991. Really, it was in many ways, the leading country in the region.
I mean, it wasn't pleasant living under him, and he was by no means benevolent, but he was damned effective. He just shouldn't have taken us at our word that we'd let him take care of the long standing Kuwait problem.
>>1172333
You don't save your nation by destroying it.
He dun fucked up. There were a dozen better ways to nip that in the bud without a civil war, even if most of them would have required that he be a tad less greedy for power.
>>1172336
/Pol/ doesn't know shit about history. It's a fucking containment board for a reason.
>>1172339
>Really, it was in many ways, the leading country in the region.
Though a lot of the credit (as well as the blame) goes to the US, for supporting Iraq through the entire cold war as a spoil for a more Ruski leaning Iran. I doubt he would have done nearly so well without that support (the Kurds probably woulda overthrown him, for starters.)
>>1170523
Why do people hate him again?
>>1172364
Becuse he was friends with Hitler and Mussolini.
>>1172364
Catalonians are whiny cunts.
>>1172527
He is talking about Pedro the 1st.
Pedro the 2nd had the desire to rule.
Pedro the 1st didn't like Brazil itself and resigned to go back to Portugal.
>>1170523
>set up labour camps
>killed republicans
>killed anarchists
>killed communists
>killed socialists
>be josé or maria
>be friends with hitler
>be friends with mussolini
>overthrow a democratically elected government
gee I wonder :^)
>>1170136
That's Pedro II, not I
Also, Brazil is crap in unmodded Civ 5
Now Brazil in the CBP mod, hoo boy
>>1172336
"Heroes to whom?"
What an argument. To me, for one.
>>1172343
>literally surrendering Syria to a coalition of Turks, Americans, al-Qaeda, and another wannabe caliphate so your people can be genocided
The al-Assad family has fought exactly these same fucks for over fifty years in a heroic struggle for Syria.
>>1172350
What an argument, just 10/10 man.
>>1172554
Neither of them had the desire to rule as far as I know (at least near the end of their reigns), but Pedro II took it to a special extreme by not abdicating in favor of his family (as his father did), and instead intentionally allowing the first tiny military coup that occurred to take all of Brazil under a Republic for the rest of time.
>>1172364
Not "look how so cool am I liking dictators and shit" people dont really look dictators at all.
But, well, we are in a thread about dictators after all, so nevermind.
>>1172849
>To me, for one.
And what exactly have they done for you?
>>1170008
(tips)
>>1172919
Nothing, and if they have done something for me, then I would be too biased to make a proper judgment, especially given the SCW is ongoing.
>>1172941
That's not what I meant. Why are they heroes to you?
stroessner
I'd say Pedro II, but he was a legitimate monarch, not a tyrant
>>1169889
That's a big meme my friend. It was a constant shitshow between the bona fide communist Republic's Federal governments and the central Beograd government. In the end Beograd always won, but it wasn't always a given.
It certainly wasn't controlled by the workers though, anyone who believes this is either a yugonostalgic or an American memer.
For example this
https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cestna_afera
>1969
>Ljubljana govt: alright Beograd we're gonna try to move away from heavy industry and go into service industries instead ok
>Beograd: whatever pham, just give me 50& of your republic's GNP so I can fund my retarded failed obsolete heavy industry in Kosovo and Bosnia.
>Ljubljana: btw we also secured an IBRD to build a highway
>Berograd: are you saying you got FREE money for infrastructure construction?
>Ljubljana: yeah
>Beograd: lol gibsmedat faggots, why didn't I think of this first?
>Ljubljana: "no"
>Beograd. oh yes you magots
*sweating intensifies*
>Ljubljana gives in, Beograd uses the money to build some highways in Vojvodina&Serbia
>the ""liberal"" Kavčič government is locked up and replaced with Marinc which is a pathetic yes man and ultra-communist, heavy industry reopens, hah no clean air for you :^)
>>1170523
>only one testicle
>christcuck
>ugly af
>manlet
>fascist
>>1172951
>literally fighting for his country until the last breath of foreign occupation leaves, uncompromisingly protecting his people even if they oppose him
He's the definition of a good leader. The ones who are fleeing are predominantly Sunnis who actually support Saudi Arabia or Turkey. Assad fights for the good of all his people -- Shiite, Christian, Sunni, Druze, Jew, Assyrian, none of it matters to Assad.
>>1173076
There were never any moderates.
>>1168758
De Gaulle
>>1173334
He was an excellent leader of France, but I believe Putin was better.
>>1173122
>Franco
>fascist
>>1168758
Margret Thatcher.
The Iron Maiden crushed the Argentinians in the Falklands saving British Pride.
>>1173410
Thatcher wasn't a dictator, she was just a particularly ruthless leader.
>>1168767
>elected president
>self imposed term limits
>could have taken military control of the U.S, didn't
>dictator
Here's an american dictator for you, you casual.
Huey Long is a national treasure.
>>1173419
We're talking about benevolent dictators, so only the degree of power is important as far as the term "dictator" is concerned.
...but obviously Thatcher didn't have anywhere near absolute power.
>>1173504
Benevolent rulers =/= benevolent dictators
>>1169383
Louis IX is my husbando, don't talk shit about him !
>>1168779
>Castro
>benevolent
there is an entire population of Cuban pigeons that would argue otherwise.
>>1173555
May has well had put that in >green text.
>>1173578
I'm on the shitter pushing out shit at mach 10 excuse me if I don't get it all correct
>>1172308
The way I understood it is that pre-Babylonian captivity the Jews worshiped three gods including Yahweh. The other two being his son Ba`al and his wife Ashirah. These gods were similar to other Mesopotamian deities.
However during the captivity, the aristocracy developed a distaste for all things Babylonian, and started to reconsider their beliefs. When Cyrus the great liberated them, they decided he must be some kind of Messiah. He also happened to be a monotheistic Zoroastrian which made them re-consider the whole polytheism thing.
Once free, they wrote Ba`al and Ashirah out of their religion (until they came back as Jesus and Mary, but that's another story) and emphasized Yahweh. Cyrus isn't technically god, but you can't say being rescued from decadent polytheists by a monotheistic god king won't effect your religion.
Thousands of years latter, he's stuck in the minds of Christians, Muslims, and Jews as the ultimate father figure. A strong and just king sent by god to be his representative on earth. Even secular westerners have traces of it lingering in the back of their head.
>>1174429
Nope. Pre-captivity Jews were not worshippers of Baal but they had sex with them and created a new mega-degenerate Jew.
>>1168809
KAIHOU
Liu Bei, emperor of the Han.
>>1169586
As an Istrian Italian, you can fuck right off you gomie
He dindu nuffin
>>1174775
wrong m8, baal worshipping was big and propheta condoned it. also solomon worshipped other deities of his many wives and built temples to them
cyrus is the messiah, and after him they yearn for his return
>>1168758
A lot of the Hispanic ones are good.
>Franco
>Pinochet
>Castro
>>1168758
Stalin
>>1171916
>He introduced freedom of the press before it was cool.
but that's bullshit. He actually censored most of the independent paper presses in Sweden and filled them with propaganda
>>1169439
Going to live on a farm was the height of Roman civic achievement.
Why didn't you save her, /his/? ;_;
>>1168758
>>1176233
who are these guys
>>1168758
Satan
>>1172244
And yet the debt to GDP, and interest rates and credit rating keep getting worse in every one of them 'cept Slovenia
>>1176483
Very true yet his rule was a good one
>>1172244
>Also, why is it always foreigners that suck Tito's cock?
Because Tito was the only time that your region of the world wasn't a massive pain in the ass for the rest of us.
>>1174786
>>1177840
What ailment does the modern Montenegro cause you?
>>1169998
Pretty much this.
Based Tito was the best thing to happen to the Balkans.
>>1177923
in my case, food poisoning. Fucking assholes.
>>1177923
Still gotta keep peacekeepers in the region to keep you guys in line.
>>1177985
Only in Kosovo, but who let Albanians settle there in 1966?
>>1168758
Park Chunghee
>>1170746
Should've sold you Dalmatians again to repay the debt
>>1169520
He is a meme without his original cabinet
To his people, Caesar. He was the people's champion. To the Celts he was Hitler but to his own people he was great.
You know, sort of like Hitler.
>>1169998
Who the fuck cares about fags
Why do you dumb cunts always need to bring them up everywhere in history
They're completely irrelevant and don't deserve to be treated as human
>>1168758
António de Oliveira Salazar
>>1168789
>>1168794
>I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions [would go to] the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men.
The fact that he rose to rule a Muslim-majority nation with statements like that is unbelievably impressive.
>>1169998
Stiven is that you??
>>1180020
Because Anatolians and Turks were never full retard Islam. Look up the 19th Century history of the Ottoman Empire and you'd understand why.
Meanwhile the Brits and the French literally gave the full retards their own states in the ME.
