Zagros mountains make pretty good natural borders.

>>1150384
Too many mountains and having to deal with Europe in the meantime.

they do, many times in fact. the first time they btfo the persians with gunpowder, getting caucasus and western persia. then a a stalemate with the persian and the ottoman winning sometimes, this went on for a long time until the ottoman and russia both got btfo by nader shah, also this >>1150869

>>1150384
But it did was an inside job, Constantinople wouldn't have fell that day if one retard did not panic and open the gate.

>>1150897
>mountains
>it totally had nothing to do with the Safavid dynasty's military being on equal footing to the the Ottomans
>or Nader Shah going around slapping everyone's shit for over almost two decades

>>1153852
Persia never had equal strength, the Ottomans were always a stronger power. That's precisely the merit of rulers like Abbas and Nader, defeating a greater foe.

>>1153877
You are so wrong its fucking painful.

>>1150384
They tried constantly yet they failed. The Safavids played their cards well and used the terrain and retreated when necessary. Some brilliant shahs already mentioned in the thread allowed the survival of Persia thanks to military reforms, since in general terms the Ottoman one was more advanced and numerous. But it's not like there weren't good ottoman leaders and the conflict saw good and bad times for both sides. The persians arrived to conquer Baghdad and the turks arrived to conquer Tabriz, but in general the Zagros were a good border.

The Safavids knew very well that the Ottomans were a permanent threat to their existance and often attacked when the sultan was campaigning in Europe. They also tried to ally with the Habsburg monarchy but the technology of the time made cooperation almost impossible.

>>1153898
Compare the area and the population of both empires. Read something about the organization and evolution of both militaries.

>>1153903
The Safavids even allied with Russia. I guess nobody liked the Ottomans.

>>1153916
The french couldn't stop sucking Ottoman cock.

Because persians horses is so fast and they literally burned their own village in the middle of desert so the turks cant advances

>>1153912
>Ismail only losses a single battle
>Ottomans continually fail to annex or conqueror Iran
>repeated invasions routinely backfire for the Ottomans because the subject populations were happy under Safavid rule
>Tahmasp defeats a massive Ottoman army and captures Suleiman the Magnificent's favorite wife
>Forces Suleiman to make major concession to get his favorite back and return the status quo to the pre-war state
>Abbas the Great literally marches all over the Ottomans and everyone just like Nader Shah would do decades later
Sure thing bud. Ottomans generally had an advantage but they routinely suffered their own humiliations and defeats against the Persians.

>>1153955
Didn't the Ottomans walk into the Safavid capital once?

>>1153955
The outcome of conflicts doesn't determine the strenght of those sides and you're a literal autist comparing anime characters if you think so. For example Macedon was weaker than the Achaemenid Empire, and won. The Roman Republic was weaker than the Seleucid Empire of Antiochus III, but Antiochus lost. In the same fashion, the persians were weaker than the turks, yet they won.

>>1153964
Yes but the capital was in Azerbaijan at the time so it's no big deal that the Ottomans managed to take it. They never conquered Esfahan, in the actual hearth of Iran.

>>1153984
Holy shit, the pot to kettle here.