>unironically defending creationism
is this websites defense of religion purely a backlash against fedora posting?
>>1116945
You mean that one fundamentalist that thinks the Roman Catholic Church is pagan?
>>1116958
not really, im talking about the trend that 4chan as a whole has been leaning towards in the last couple years.
its interesting to watch really, the desire for counter culture attitudes is so strong here that it actually warps back around to having a lot of normie values in order to be a counter to its own culture
>>1116965
I'll rather be a religious man than whatever the fuck is going on in the world right now.
![CiWTOLi[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/4IbWPWQ.png "CiWTOLi[1].png")
>>1116974
thank you for providing me with the perfect example
>>1116988
What's wrong with his face?
>>1116945
It's like when people rate things on imdb, since no one gives their actual rating everyone throws in their piece to best tip the wait and change the represented score. This results in only ratings of 10 or 0.
>>1116994
his fundamental misunderstanding of the world and lack of knowledge in general has left him with a belief that he doesnt want to be a part of "whatever the fuck is going on" so he chooses to rebel and feel unique by wearing an ugly fucking mustache.
>>1116958
It isn't self-evident?
>>1117011
>protestants
>>1117019
Born again YEC Christian.
Not "protesting" anything. Just pointing out that Rome is Babylon, Roman Catholicism is Mystery Babylon and the Whore of Babylon, the pope is the False Prophet, and that most Catholics are going to go to hell.
I'm a hoot at parties.
>>1117023
>the walking Chick Tract episode
Please eat shit.
>>1117035
I try to stay away from Chipotle.
>>1117041
But all you spew is bullshit.
>>1117047
Is it possible that the things of God are not comprehensible without His assistance?
In a universe where everything is possible, is that possible?
>>1117052
Is it possible that you could stop shitposting and stop spewing your bullshit everywhere and trying to delete religious discussion on this fucking board like the retard you are?
>a priest theorized big bang
>bible says the universe was created by god
this is proofs
besides the bible is supposed to be interpreted figuratively
Only inbred retards interpret everything in it literally
They are the christian equivalent of wahabbis and ISIS fucknuts
>>1117066
>They are the christian equivalent of wahabbis and ISIS fucknuts
At least they don't murder a whole lotta people.
>>1117055
But is it possible?
>>1117066
What is described before the so-called "Big Bang" sounds a lot like God.
>>1117083
For you to fuck off?
Reminder that the bible does not describe the creation of the universe ex nihilo, but rather the forming of the firmament from the primordial chaos.
>unironically defending evolutionism
>>1117117
sounds like you've had a bit too much of vitamin B17, Kent
>>1117117
>>1117118
>mfw the creationists show up again
Didnt you learn your lesson when you got rekted the last time?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/
>>1117125
Evolution is a myth, you literally have faith in a dead theory.
If you want to desperately believe your grandpa was a monkey, go ahead. But don't call it science because it's not.
http://creation.com/articles
https://answersingenesis.org/
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
>>1117202
Nobodies grandpa is a monkey. That's asinine. What's also asinine is to assume that God made the Earth in 6 (six) regular human days.
>>1117212
You believe you came from a rock.
You're insane.
>>1117217
And you're insane if you take the bible as literal as the Qu'ran.
>>1117202
>Theory
Everything in science is called " theories"
>>1117202
>criticize a theory
>don't understand it
>>1117071
Because they're not allowed to do it anymore.
Daily reminder that there is archeological evidence supporting the Bible.
>Gigantic skeletons found
>"Neanderthal" (pre-flood man) skeletons found
>Chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea
>Millions of brimstone sulfur balls in Jordan
>Ruins of Jericho
>Assyrian texts talking about King David
>Over 200 ancient World-wide Flood stories
>Pagan stories affirming the arrival of fallen angels/ancient aliens that Enoch talks about
Satan has a name in every single pagan religion. They all talk about a being/entity that gave man knowledge and intellect, and was cast out of Heaven. Enki, Enlil, Annunaki, etc.
The Greek pantheon, Titans and Olympians are legends of the Nephilim giants that the Bible speaks about. It's all about connecting the dots.
The evidence continues to accumulate, and atheists continue in their cognitive dissonance.
>>1117218
>I'm insane if I believe in truth
You believe nothing exploded and then soup came alive.
I could never have that much faith.
>>1117245
God made the universe and kicked back and let it ride.
>>1117239
Don't bother man.
Atheists are brainwashed to believe in evolution.
>>1117248
>Deism
Trash.
>>1117245
Well, there's evidence to support that hypothesis.
We know that energy creates light, and there's a cosmic microwave background.
We know that all the galaxies are moving away from another, which is consistent with constant, universal expansion.
This isn't something that some guy in a lab coat jotted down and people started repeating it.
The term Big Bang is even a pejorative term, coined by other scientists to make fun of the idea.
>>1117248
He obviously cares since He suffered and died on the cross for our sakes.
>>1117254
>Deism
No, until man achieved sentient, they weren't aware of God the Father.
>>1117239
Got any proof these giant skeletons exist? Or did the Papist lizard people destroy them all?
>>1117239
>All those sourceless claims
>>1117264
Man has been aware of God since the very beginning, from 4000 BC all the way to 18th century AD.
Atheism, humanism, materialism and naturalism is a very recent thing.
You can see the effect of enlightenment thinking or "reason" by how decadent, degenerate and spiritually backwards the western civilization is right now.
>>1117269
>what is Google
>what is YouTube
>waahhhh why aren't you spoonfeeding meee!
>>1117278
>Youtube
>Go look up my claims for me
And what if I run into David Icke and he tells me it is connected to lizard people?
>>1117274
Which stems from what? Protestantism, and it's bullshit against the Pope.
>>1117267
The moment one is excavated, the CIA takes control of the area and the Smithsonian institute covers it up.
The Smithsonian has a bunch of giant human bones in their basement.
The reason they are covering it up is because it damages their evolution theory.
They want you to believe in monkey stories, not in the Bible.
>>1117281
>David Icke
New Age movement is a satanic deception.
It's luciferianism/gnosticism/pantheism.
It's occult mysteries for the masses.
>>1117288
>Inquisitions
>Spanish inquisitions
>Crusades
>Dark Ages
>Massacre, torture and burning of Christians
The Vatican fits all the descriptions of the Antichrist.
They also indirectly created Islam.
Mohammed's wife Khadija was a RC and so was his advisor Waraqqua.
It's not a coincidence that Catholicism and Islam have so much in common.
Jesuits, Freemasons and the Illuminati are all working for the same agenda.
This is what the Bible calls "the forces of iniquity" or "lawlessness".
>>1117304
>removing faggot moors from Spain is a bad thing
>see above
>trying to get the fucking holy land is a bad thing
>*tips
>political reasons or heretics
>>1117289
So I got nothing else than your world for it?
Atheists btfo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504
>>1117307
I'm talking about the crusader's barbaric attitude and the sack of Constantinople.
They were a bunch of ungodly savages. Bill Cooper has also pointed out that the Knights Templars had secret occult rituals and meetings where they literally worshipped Baal/Allah and cursed God.
As for the objectives, they were a failure.
>yes peasant, if you take Jerusalem you will have a ticket straight to heaven!
The Papacy is a joke. Weren't there 2 popes running at some point? 1 in France and 1 in Italy. Each excommunicating eachother.
>political reasons
Jesus said that His kingdom is not of this world.
We are called out to not be part of the world.
Christians are to be clean, distinguished and spiritual. The RCC only cared about power, politics and control. They used a counterfeit version of Christianity to enforce their power.
>>1117289
So the CIA and the Smithsonian have been covering up giant skeletons since the birth of Christ? How does a giant skeleton disprove evolution in any way?
>>1117307
Remember when Jesus said to torture and burn people?
..Yeah, neither do I
>>1117333
>I'm talking about the crusader's barbaric attitude and the sack of Constantinople.
Maybe the Orthodox faggots shouldn't of started a fight between Venice and massacred the Latins...
>>1117339
>Remember when Jesus said
How could you m8?
Are you 2000+ year old by chance?
>>1117339
Remember when Jesus said Peter you need to be the foundation of this Church?
Remember when Peter became the foundation of the Church and had people spread the word of Christ any means necessary?
>>1117342
Even though eastern Orthodoxy has some errors, they are miles ahead and better than Romanism.
Orthodox believers are actual Christians, not role-players like deus-vult shitposters.
>>1117333
>That pic
You're baiting. This is a high level dedicated trolling attempt. There are so many things wrong in that image I can't come to any other conclusion. Congrats on all the hot (You)s
>>1117349
>what is scripture
This thread is fun to read when drunk
t. Biochemist
>>1117339
>"destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys" (6:21).
>>1117202
Evolution has been experimentally verified.
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1287352.files/Papers/Lenski%20et%20al%201991%20-%20Long-Term%20Experimental%20Evolution%20in%20Escherichia%20coli.%20I.%20Adaptation%20and%20Divergence%20after%202000%20Generations.pdf
>>1117350
>le rock peter verse
Taken out of context, lack of understanding, etc.
You base your entire religion on ONE verse of the Bible, which you've interpreted wrong.
>>1117370
How does it become irrelevant by being in the old testament?
>>1117353
>Even though eastern Orthodoxy has some errors
So it's okay for Orthodoxy to support Islam? So it's okay to have them literally cuck for Islam? Are you supporting cuckoldry? You know cuckoldry is a sin correct?
>>1116945
The fedora atheists grew too annoying.
This was inevitable.
4chan is a pendulum of shit-posting. We have to be careful what we tip.
In all honestly my family, r/atheism made me reread the new testament, and truly appreciate it. Given the choice of bros, I think everyone would pick christ over a fedora.
>>1117202
>answersingenesis
You can't be serious. No self-respecting Christian can buy that shit. Stop harming your own cause.
>>1117377
Because it applied to different people living in a different time?
I'll help any creationist ITT into getting a doctorate in Biology if they can prove to me that creationism is a better theory than evolution theory. Attacking abiogenesis gets you no points.
>>1117378
Are you insane?
Orthodox Christians have been fighting the Muslim hordes for centuries, starting with Byzantine constantly fending off the Turks, and now in Slavic and Russian states there is a strong anti-Islam sentiment.
The Roman Catholic church is responsible for the ecumenical "coexist" movement.
>pope thinks aliens exist
>pope believes in evolution
>pope believes atheists can go to heaven
Catholicism is a joke. A dead joke.
>>1117397
>talkorigins
You can't be serious. No self-respecting Atheist can buy that shit. Stop harming your own cause.
[insert reaction image here]
>>1117403
Watch Kent Hovind's creation seminar.
He's a biologist too.
>>1117407
>Orthodox Christians have been fighting the Muslim hordes for centuries, starting with Byzantine constantly fending off the Turks, and now in Slavic and Russian states there is a strong anti-Islam sentiment.
Third. Crusades.
>literally cucking for Islam when the west wanted to come over and remove Islam from the holy land
>talking about shit that isn't history
Kill yourself outta here.
>>1117416
>Kent Hovind
All he does is make fallacious criticisms of Evolution theory and abiogenesis.
>>1117416
A "biologist" with a fake ass degree he got online, you mean?
>>1117403
>THEORY of Evolution vs FACT of Creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xBWPiJLnFw
>Evolution Debunked
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
>Evolution is the Great Delusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMr278CMAIA
>18-hour documentary explaining Creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyI-aQaXD0
>Hovind destroys an atheist critic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wAxPG4WpN8
>Evolution is a modern fairy tale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjvuwne0RrE
>The Greatest Lie Ever Told
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ufK04tjOI
>Overwhelming Evidence for a Global Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8
>Dinosaurs are not millions of years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niDCq3TbvOo
>>1117416
nigger he isn't a biologist. his degree is from a sham college. go buy some vitamin B17 from his son and kill yourself
>>1117423
None of those are Journal articles published and acknowledged in the field of biology. The reason being is that there is no original research and the critique ignores most of evolution theory or prefers to cite incorrect sources.
>>1117429
I don't hate Hovind, I think he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about in regards to evolution theory.
>>1117429
also notice how they never address Kent's arguments.
they just attack him personally.
it's always ad hominems
>>1117423
>/x/ tier Youtube videos count as evidence
>>1117432
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
The theory of evolution is false.
Creation is scientific fact.
>>1117439
Once again an article with no scientific backing.
>>1116945
When you begin with the premise
>your beliefs are false because you hold them for x reason
You can imagine we'd have a hard time taking you seriously...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S89IskZI740
just gonna leave this here. again.
>>1117442
Address the arguments.
Stop backpeddling, moving the goalposts and appealing to authority.
>>1117414
That's not me, fampai.
I'm familiar with that site and it's trash. I prefer religion to fedoras.
You need to take a deep breath and stop shitposting. Conspiracy shit? Literal interpretations of man's poetry to God? Come on, christ-bro. We are better than that.
Do our cause a favor and stop posting this garbage.
>>1117456
What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
>>1117435
his arguments have been debunked hundreds of times already. thunderfoot has done plenty of good refutations of him. also why should I bother to debunk all of those arguments when you were so lazy as to dump a bunch of videos instead of typing the arguments yourself?
>>1117456
How about you start? There is a mountain of evidence for Evolution. More than the Theory of Gravity. It has been the most studied topic in biology for over 150 years. How about you start debunking the theory with your own words without appealing to Kent Hovind's "authority"
>>1117466
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
You haven't even read it, so how can you say it has no evidence?
What you're doing is cognitive dissonance.
>This source disagrees with my worldview, therefore I will dismiss it because I hate the idea that I could be wrong
I provided sources and links with mountains of evidence. The ball is in your court.
>>1117470
>thunderfoot
LOL
You can't be serious. Here's a (You)
>>1117475
No original research, his claims have been debunked times before. No evidence, no need to dismiss with evidence.
>>1117479
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
Still waiting.
Watch this shocking video of a child who predicts Cida a meteorite 6 Days Before Seceda . Behold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKu_2OPrOHs
>>1117485
>appeal to authority
http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/
Here's my proof of evolution. It's an internet website so its about as credible as your sources
>>1117478
this is the same level of comment that you got in response to posting Kent Hovind videos which you said proved that atheists were scared of him and unable to address his arguments so I'm going to assume that you are afraid of Thunderfoot :^)
>>1117485
I'll destroy his argument in one comment
He admits microevolution is true but macroevolution is not. He is contradicting himself here. Both are the same thing but on different time scales. You'd have to believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old and deny various other fields of scientific theories to assert that.
Is becoming religius the ultimate form of post-post irony?
>>1117500
Variation within kinds has been observed, that is a scientific fact.
An animal turning into a completely different kind of animal, is in the realm of faith.
DNA, fossils and genetics prove creation is true and disprove creation.
>>1117509
That's not evolution
No animal turns into another animal. That's magic.
>>1117513
So you admit evolutionists believe in magic?
>>1117509
you can't even clearly define a kind. creationists even disagree on whether some animals are the same kind or not. your "kind" is just an excuse to move the goalposts whenever evolution is observed
>>1117370
>he didn't even read the abstract
E. coli bacteria evolving is all that's actually needed to prove that evolution is real. The rest is supported by radiological dating and the fossil record, so actually observing microevolution means that the theory is all but unassailable. And obviously whales don't turn into dogs, you idiot. That isn't how it works, you're just straw manning.
>>1117517
No, you don't understand what evolution is.
>>1117517
>nothing exploded
>rocks turned into soup
>..soup then came alive!
Atheists believe in the most ridiculous fairy tale ever.
Satan must be laughing his ass off, you'd have to be a very gullible idiot to believe in "billions of years" and Flintstone comics.
>>1117416
>Kent Hovind
Anon please, my sides hurt from laughter.
>>1117527
>if I make a strawman and say it in a really silly way then I'll win the argument!
>>1117521
Kind is more clearly defined than species.
>Kind
If you can have children, you're part of the same kind. A 5 year old can tell kinds apart.
>Species
Vague, sometimes it describes kinds and other times it describes variations within kinds.
>>1117522
>coli bacteria
You can cut off your arm, and now you're resistant to diseases that affect the arm.
That's not evolution. That's a drawback.
>radiological dating
Radiometric dating is unreliable and inaccurate. A live sheep has been dated 11,000 years old.
C14 also disproves an old Earth.
>>1117536
He's right though, you atheists really do believe in a very retarded religion.
It's more laughable than Hinduism or local African tribal traditions.
Yes, Darwinism/Evolution is a religion. It's a dangerous worldview that led to Communism, Socialism, nihilism, degeneracy and mass murders.
Are these guys found everywhere in america or is it just localised in certain areas?
Are most american christians like this?
>>1117546
>If you can have children, you're part of the same kind. A 5 year old can tell kinds apart.
nope, animal populations have already been observed evolving to the point that two groups can't interbreed and yet creationists insist they are still part of the same kind
When you've conned yourself into believing that some kind of ancient slime morphed into progressively complex and directional life forms, you are in the realm of faith, not science.
>>1117549
>le "true christians only exist in america" meme
I'm European.
>>1117549
This is the face of protestant Christians separated from civilization for far too long
>>1117549
They're about 40% of the U.S. and mostly in the Mid West and South
>>1117546
You clearly have no understanding of natural selection or the evolution of populations at all. I'd recommend at least googling the word 'ecology' before you make yourself look like a mongoloid on the internet.
>Yes, Darwinism/Evolution is a religion. It's a dangerous worldview that led to Communism, Socialism, nihilism, degeneracy and mass murders.
Are you actually retarded? Serious question because you remind me of those retarded kids that end up super Christian because they have no real social interaction and their disorders went undiagnosed.
>>1117559
>>1117558
>Ad hominems
>no arguments
This is why Atheists always lose debates.
Christianity: 3
Atheism: 0
See you tomorrow for the next round.
>>1117567
Natural selection actually favors creation, not evolution.
NS selects things, it doesn't evolve. There is no magical force that *magically* propels things to change around.
There's only entropy. From order to chaos, from perfect to imperfect.
Evolution is the complete opposite of Christianity because it teaches that death came before man, whereas God clearly says that Man introduced death.
Try again.
There are still people that believe in evolution?
Kent Hovind already debunked it in the '90s.
>>1117553
When you've deluded yourself past the point where you believe the earth is ten thousand years old and that a six hundred year old man hauled tens of thousands of pounds of biomass onto a wooden boat so that an "all powerful" deity could kill some humans, you're in a realm inhabited solely by morons.
>>1117575
>telling someone where creationists are located in the U.S. and what percentage of the population they are is an ad hominem.
sure, bud. the persecution complex is strong with this one
>>1116965
>im talking about the trend that 4chan as a whole has been leaning towards in the last couple years.
Got a source on that claim, chaim?
>>1117579
>what people believed for thousands of years is wrong!
>only I know the answer to everything!
The cancerous mentality of 18th century enlightenment poison.
>>1117575
Natural selection selects individuals with traits most fit for survival. When those individuals breed with one another their traits are passed on to the next generation.
Natural selection is the driving force behind evolution, the reason that organisms can live on the surface of an unforgiving world that cares not wether they live or die.
Who cares if fact contradicts your religion? The true age of the universe is billions of times older than you think your god is.
>>1117594
>what people believed for thousands of years
>except for the vast, vast, vast majority of humans who have ever lived, and most of the ones alive now
>>1117597
Hovind has already gone through the entire Natural Selection argument.
It favours creation, not evolution.
You're working in a car factory. Your job is to throw away bad parts and keep the good ones going. How long will it take until the cars turn into an airplane?
>>1117594
Again, the universe is billions of years old. Mankind's acknowledgement of himself isn't even one second on the clock of the earth's existence.
Those billions of years passed without man or his superstitious beliefs, which is much more meaningful than a couple thousand years of sapient beings being scared of something that isn't there.
>>1117611
>the universe is billions of years old
Wrong.
The world is about 6000 years old.
>>1117619
Why is Yahweh more credible than other gods?
>>1117619
Human civilization is four thousand years older than you think the earth is.
>>1117623
Heil Ba'al!
>>1117623
Because He proved it by all the miracles and supernatural deliverances He did?
Because He came into His own creation to die on the cross for the sins of mankind?
Jehovah, Adonai, Logos, Enlil, the Creator, God.
All other 'gods' or pagan deities/entities refer to the Fallen Angels and Nephilim giants before the flood. Satan has a name in every pagan culture.
>>1117610
funny thing about your analogy is that it is saying that God can produce those bad parts in the first place
>>1117627
Yahwah isn't the only god in the historical record with miracles to his name.
None of the miracles are extent today, why should we believe the Old Testament accounts of great works over, say, the Vedas or the Epic of Gilgamesh?
>>1117627
>Because He proved it by all the miracles and supernatural deliverances He did?
other religions also have their supernatural claims and miracles
>>1117066
Yeah I'm sure the sandniggers that wrote Genesis believed none of it. These fuckers could not even figure out why it rains.
Do you honestly think that they'd write about how they think they and everything came into existence as a just metaphor?
>>1117629
God created a perfect world.
Our first parents, Adam and Eve, lived in perfect bliss and joy. By free will, they chose to rebel against God.
We corrupted ourselves. And now we are the subjects of spiritual warfare.
>>1117627
There were never giants living on the earth.
You're falling into the cycle of Jesus = correct because bible, bible = correct because Jesus.
You believe in a giants and angels on earth, please grow up.
>>1117640
there cannot be free will if God is omniscient and omnipotent. if he creates something knowing that it will take a certain action either it has no free will or he doesn't have the power to make it not take such action
>>1117640
If the world was perfect, why were they able to sin? Also why did God create the world?
>>1117631
>None of miracles are extent today
Because God's work finished on the cross.
Satan was beaten on that day.
And now we have the Bible.
>Epic of Gilgamesh
Proves that there was indeed a global flood, aswell as a conflict between a creator and an adversary.
The Bible and Torah (first 5 books of the Bible) are the preserved and inspired Word of God, written by authors under the Holy Spirit. The ultimate author is God, who gave us the Bible to know Him and His ways, to follow through in understanding and wisdom.
The Bible contains the instructions for eternal life.
The Talmud and Quran are Satan's unholy books.
>>1117652
holy fucking shit, the level of mental gymnastics required by actual theists is fucking insane
do you genuinely believe everything you just said or are you just shitposting?
>>1117652
why doesn't the similarities in the Bible instead prove that the version of events for the global flood in The Epic of Gilgamesh is correct?
>>1117649
God has foreknowledge, that does not mean he is trespassing on our free will.
He simply knows what we will choose ourselves before we do it, because He is God.
He is not limited by time. God does not live in the present. He is outside of time.
"Time", space and matter are created by God,
He is not bound by them.
>>1117652
If Satan is defeated why are so many people leaving the Church?
And how did Satan release two books after being dead?
I think it's a combination of contrarianism and the earlier denizens getting older.
>>1117659
1. Because we are living in the end times. We are in the book of Revelation, the final book.
The Bible says that many would fall away from the faith. Love will grow cold, and people will become increasingly wicked and evil.
2. Satan isn't dead yet. He continues to exercise control over the world, working through the occult societies that worship him.
A new Tower of Babel is being built, it's called the New World Order. Mankind is being prepared to receive the Antichrist.
>>1117658
yes it does. "foreknowledge" plus absolute power means he can make anything any way he wants (except perhaps something inherently illogical like a square circle) and he knows the all the possible outcomes. there is no room for free will here. either there is no free will or your God is imperfect.
>>1117667
Maybe that means floods are a common thing and so people talk about them a lot?
>>1117674
Oh okay so you're not just retarded, but also a conspiracy nut.
Good to know you're not even trying to disguise your mental illness as science anymore.
>>1117667
first off floods are common events and likely for different regional floods to produce flood stories in multiple cultures. if we assume that this does indeed prove that there was a global flood this doesn't show that the Bible's flood story is specifically correct. we might as well say that the Sumerian gods started the flood. the Epic of Gilgamesh is older than the Bible so if there is a historical core to the flood narrative it is more likely to have that historical core
>>1117675
Your argument doesn't make any sense.
Being all-powerful doesn't mean he is trampling on our free will.
>>1117678
Except they talk about a flood that covered the entire world.
They also mention 8 people surviving it on a boat.
Sound familiar?
>>1116945
Religion is a really good way to control people. If I really wanted to, I have the theological knowledge and charisma to be a cult preacher. Defending creationism as one of the facets of the blue pill you feed to people to control them (whether you yourself believe it or not), and it happens to be one of the most fundamental aspects that inhibits free thought.
>>1117680
>documented facts is conspiracy nut
You're illiterate.
>>1117689
The people who wrote it in the Bible took it from the Sumerian story. There.
>>1117687
there is nothing to trample on. it's simply the logical conclusion of foreknowledge and absolute power. if he was all powerful he could make humans that wouldn't disobey him. with foreknowledge and absolute power he didn't choose to give humans free will, he chose to make humans that would disobey him. free will and the combination of omniscience and omnipotence is just as illogical as being able to make a square circle
>>1117696
Nope.
>Ham, Shem and Japheth repopulate the world
>stories about the flood are passed down orally
>different cultures develop
>details get fuzzier over the generations
>each has their own spin of the story
I find it ironic you hate the Bible yet embrace pagan texts (even when those texts affirm the same events described in the Bible).
A true contrarian hipster.
>>1117690
>Religion is a really good way to control people
I agree.
They are teaching evolutionism in school to indoctrinate children to behave in a certain way.
It's very disturbing.
>>1117704
>stories about the flood are passed down orally
>different cultures develop
>details get fuzzier over the generations
>each has their own spin of the story
how do you get from this to specifically the Bible's story being absolute truth? any other religion will also claim divine inspiration to support their version
>>1117704
This shit you're spewing is barely even coherent anymore.
Also, in the original Sumerian story, the gods didn't want humanity to survive, it was one outlier god who helped the human build the boat, and when the flood was over and the guy put out his first sacrifice the gods came for it and fought for it like flies over a rotting corpse (that's how the story described their act). It clearly changed.
>>1117694
You're the conspiracy nut, documented facts are not. In reality, you're spouting archived lies.
>>1117702
Ah, the good old
>why didn't God make us so we could disobey?
argument.
A creature without free will is a flawed creature.
God wants genuine love, not robots or zombies that are programmed to love.
Just as you'd want a real baby, not a toy baby that is designed to say "I love you!" when a button is pressed.
>>1117710
Because the Bible is from God's perspective while the pagan stories are from Satan's perspective.
>>1117723
I also don't want my kid to grow up to fucking despise me and consciously reject my place in his life. As a father, I would do everything in my power to stop that from happening. Why hasn't God?
>>1117720
How isn't it coherent?
When you pass down stories from generation to generation, details eventually get lost and sometimes things get added.
>>1117723
here's what you are claiming:
I have a die
I know I am going to roll a 6 but if I wanted to I could make it roll a 1 or any other number
Is the outcome random?
>>1117727
How do you know this?
>>1117730
Why should I trust the biblical stories then?
>>1117732
Years of research into theology, philosophy and history.
It's all about connecting the dots.
>>1117741
yet all you can manage to tell us is because the Bible is true
>>1117734
Because God doesn't lie.
>>1117746
He can't lie if He isn't real
>>1117743
That's because the Bible IS true.
No amount of militant atheism, marxist indoctrination or monkey-myth brainwashing will change that.
>>1117750
proofs
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -John 3:16
>>1117750
you are arguing the Bible is true because the Bible is true
>this thread
I want to get cancer and die
>>1117755
No, I am arguing the Bible is true because non-biblical sources point towards it being true.
When the people that control the world delve into shady occult activites and worship the devil, you know something is up.
>>1117767
I want you to get saved and know God.
But hey - we can't all have what we want.
>>1117777
>7
Used 735 times (54 times in the book of Revelation alone), the number 7 is the foundation of God's word. If we include with this count how many times 'sevenfold' (6) and 'seventh' (119) is used, our total jumps to 860 references.
Seven is the number of completeness and perfection (both physical and spiritual). It derives much of its meaning from being tied directly to God's creation of all things. According to Jewish tradition, the creation of Adam occurred on October 7th, 3761 B.C. (or the first day of Tishri, which is the seventh month on the Hebrew calendar). The word 'created' is used 7 times describing God's creative work (Genesis 1:1, 21, 27 three times; 2:3; 2:4). There are 7 days in a week and God's Sabbath is on the 7th day.
The Bible, as a whole, was originally divided into 7 major divisions. They are 1) the Law; 2) the Prophets; 3) the Writings, or Psalms; 4) the Gospels and Acts; 5) the General Epistles; 6) the Epistles of Paul; and 7) the book of Revelation. The total number of originally inspired books was forty-nine, or 7 x 7, demonstrating the absolute perfection of the Word of God.
>>1117771
>No, I am arguing the Bible is true because non-biblical sources point towards it being true.
no they don't. archeology proves that there was no exodus, there was no invasion of Canaan, there was no United Kingdom under King David and Solomon. linguistics reveals that Hebrew is a Canaanite language. Moses could not have written the Torah because Hebrew wasn't even a language at the time he was alive according to the Bible. you merely assume the Bible is correct
>>1117786
>numerology
>>1117786
Ha! magic numbers prove the Bible is correct. Here's a magic number for you then: see Matthew's genealogy of Jesus. 14 generations to David and 14 generations to Jesus. Matthew leaves out people in this genealogy just so he can get those two 14's because of muh magic numbers
>>1117790
see
>>1117239
There is more archeological evidence supporting the Bible than there is for evolution.
Fossil layers point towards a global flood.
>Clams are at the bottom because they don't run so fast
>Birds are at the top because they are the last to drown
Each layer does not represent an era, as evolutionists claim (trees are standing upright between multiple layers).
Then there are the "Neanderthal" skulls. I don't like using the name Neanderthal because it's a term coined by evolutionists but fine.
These skulls are the skulls of pre-flood man. They lived to be over 900 years old, and these skulls is direct proof of that.
The more you grow, the more refined your eyebrow ridge gets. The more you eat, the stronger your jawbones get.
Neanderthal skulls have exactly these features, it points towards people that lived extremely long lives compared to modern man.
>>1117803
give me the source to these Assyrian texts that reference David
>>1117806
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Culture/Ancient-rock-adds-evidence-of-King-Davids-existence-384826
>>1117728
Except none of that matters. If he decides to grow up denying and hating you, he's going to deny and hate you.
Even after you've provided every opportunity and made it possible to make things right like God has, it's still not your decision.
>>1117809
this doesn't speak of David, let alone his United Monarchy. it speaks of the House of David. Jerusalem in David's time was way too small to be an administrative center and Judah's population was only around 2000 compared to the 40,000 in the Ephraim hill country alone
>>1117806
Everything in the Bible literally happened.
You don't believe in it because it conflicts with your evolution myth.
>>1117777
Oh my god the trips
>>1117709
Eh, so just keep your kid out of fundie schools. That way you're training your children as the elite without having to do anything.
>>1117818
Love to see what excuses atheists have for this one.
>>1117818
again the bible is true because the bible is true
>>1117843
Mental gymnastics and denial.
The rock accurately names relatives of David, to the T.
At this point you're just being in denial.
You can't find evidence for the same reason a thief can't find a cop. You simply don't want to.
>>1117856
Wrong
>>1117856
Can you tell me what trilobites and dinosaurs are?
>>1117859
Cognitive dissonance.
At this point you've admitted defeat.
The Bible is true, God exists, the Earth is approximately 6000 years old.
Christians have, yet again, won the debate.
See you next time.
>>1117861
Animals.
>>1117357
o shit waddup?
>>1117856
>The rock accurately names relatives of David
it accurately names people who claimed David was the founder of their dynasty. come back when you have documents speaking directly of King David ruling over the area between the Euphrates and the Nile. If he ruled that entire area we should surely have some diplomatic corrospondences between him, the Egyptians and the Assyrians. yet we only have documents from the 9th century B.C. onwards, the time period where we can tell from archeology that there was a kingdom in Judah
>>1117878
>shifting the goalposts this hard
>>1117866
Yeah but what happened to them and when?
>>1117886
Dinosaurs were largely wiped out by the Flood.
There are still some legends of dinosaurs living after the flood, i.e Inca pots depicting people riding on dinosaurs, Alexander's army encountering one in India, and the dense swamps of Congo containing a long-necked dinosaur.
Heck, there are many stories of Pterodactyl sightings today, like in Brazil or India.
>>1117882
I said David, not the House of David. this does not mention King David. the Assyrians can mention the name of the dynasty "the House of David" without knowledge of King David. even assuming that this shows that they were actually descendants of a King David it doesn't prove that King David ruled over a massive territory stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates. archeology says that this can't be true and no written documents from the 11th and 10th century B.C. corroborate this supposed regional powerhouse that would require a massive bureaucracy to manage. Jerusalem was a tiny village with a remnant of a wall from the bronze age at the time, not the administrative center of an empire
>>1117865
Wrong
>>1117906
Why didn't Noah fit them onto the boat and do you have evidence of the claims you've just made?
>>1117906
>legends, second hand accounts, and "sightings"
So Bigfoot, The Lochness Monster, Mothman, Yeti, Yowie, UFOs, Aliens, Ghosts, Griffons, Manticores, and Krakens are all real too? There's plenty of sightings and legends of those too.
Too bad we've never found any real proof though
>>1117920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8
>>1116945
nah, it's just christcucks found the site and started shitposting the board to hell. any reasonable argument used against them, they'll just respond with fedora tipping or call you edgy.
>>1117925
UFOs and aliens are real, but not in the way you think.
They are not extraterrestrial visitors from outer space. They are a demonic manifestation.
>>1117071
Because there are laws against it now. Do you think for one second if they got clearance to crusade or something, they wouldn't hop the first plane to Iranistan and start trying to purge?
>>1117936
kek
>>1117930
This is pseudo-academic tripe for schizos and hillbilly welfare queens.
>>1117948
Evolution is pseudo-science.
There is no evidence for evolution. It's all assumptions, circular reasoning and a vast amount of faith.
>>1117936
Why don't you address any of the others listed? Where is Sasquatch in God's plan? What of the ancient sightings and legends of Griffons, Hydras, and other creatures? How do they fit into the "Dinosaurs died in The Flood?" theory? Surely those ancient accounts of dinosaurs are just as accurate as the ones about any other beast.
>>1117963
well I'm in good company with you here :^)
>>1117974
Except the Bible has mountains of evidence and I rely upon reasonable faith. The more research and study you do, the more the Bible appears to be true.
Atheists on the other hand, go by blind faith.
>>1117963
>Creationism is pseudo-science
There is no evidence for creationism. It's all assumptions, circular reasoning and a vast amount of faith
>>1117052
What makes you think everything is possible in this universe? There are things that by definition are impossible, like a round triangle for example.
>>1117970
All legends/myths come from something real.
The caricature depictions are just pop-culture shit, but the origins and backgrounds tend to be tangible and authentic things.
>>1117976
saying that mantra over and over again doesn't make it true
>>1117986
Saying "God doesn't exist!" over and over again doesn't make it true.
>>1117983
So then you think that Sasquatch is real?
So it's settled.
The Bible is true, an accurate depiction of history.
/thread
>>1117990
I don't know what that is, I'm not English.
>>1117983
This comment could apply to the entirety of the Bible.
>>1117988
funny thing is I wish God was true. but the fact is the evidence just isn't there. I've looked in vain for it for years.
>>1117996
Why do you hate God so much?
You have some deep-rooted issues.
>>1118004
Who said I hated God? You're the only one saying that
>>1117994
a giant humanoid ape that lives in the Rocky Mountains or Appalachia, i forget which. plenty of eyewitness reports but no legitimate hard evidence
>>1118003
Argument from Cause: This argument considers God the "First Cause." In other words, everything that exists must come from something else and that something else is what we call God. Philosophically, this argument is presented as:
- Everything that had a beginning had a cause.
- The universe had a beginning.
- Therefore, the universe had a cause.
The first aspect, that everything that had a beginning had a cause, is based on the principle of causality. Nothing cannot produce something. The second part, that the universe had a beginning, is supported by many lines of modern scientific evidence. These include the second law of thermodynamics (that the universe is running out of usable energy toward disorder), the expansion of the universe, the radiation echo of the initial explosion of the universe (often called the Big Bang), among others. The conclusion is that the universe had a cause.
Argument from Design: This argument proposes the following: Every design has a designer; the universe reveals complex design; therefore, the universe has a Designer. This design includes both natural and supernatural causes. Both the macro level (design found in the universe based on astronomy) and the micro level (design found at the cellular level) support the argument of highly designed and complicated forms of life that find no adequate explanation apart from an outside, powerful force capable of intelligent design. This Intelligent Designer opens the door for the existence of God.
Argument for Morality: This argument follows a more internal logic that suggests that:
- Every law has a lawgiver.
- There is an absolute moral law.
- Therefore, there must be an absolute Lawgiver.
>>1117217
You believe you came from clay lmao
>>1118014
Some question whether there is an absolute moral law. Yet as C.S. Lewis notes in Mere Christianity, "The moment you say that one set of moral ideas can be better than another, you are, in fact, measuring them both by a standard, saying that one of them conforms to that standard more nearly than the other. But the standard that measures two things is something different from either. You are, in fact, comparing them both with some Real Morality, admitting that there is such a thing as a real Right, independent of what people think, and that some people's ideas get nearer to that real Right than others. Or put it this way. If your moral ideas can be truer, and those of the Nazis less true, there must be something-some Real Morality-for them to be true about."
While postmodern philosophy attempts to deconstruct this argument by suggesting all absolutes of right and wrong regarding morality are relative, the existence of absolutes in the universe is undeniable. For example, two plus two cannot equal four and two plus two equal five at the same time under the same conditions. Likewise, many areas of morality suggest a universal sense of injustice regarding the wrongs of the world. Individuals may differ regarding exactly what is labeled justice and injustice, but every person has an innate sense of there being right and wrong. This morality has an origin and it is argued this original Lawgiver is God.
>>1118019
In looking for "conclusive proof" of God, one must first consider what type of evidence counts. For example, we cannot see the wind, yet we know it exists because we feel it, hear it, and see its effect. Likewise, no one has touched the sun, yet we know it exists because we can see its impact in our world and beyond. In the same way, we can speak of evidence for God from the basis of the things God has made and the ways God has worked in the universe as well as in our individual lives.
One logical way in which we can provide "proof" for God's existence is through the natural universe. The universe is either an illusion, is eternal, or had a beginning. Since we would normally reject that all existence is an illusion, and scientific evidence points toward a beginning of all space, matter, time, and energy, it is most likely that all created things had a beginning. Something that has a beginning requires a cause. This First Cause can be defined as God. The best evidence or proof points toward His existence.
A second way to speak of proof for God's existence is found in the complexity of design throughout creation. From the complexity of the stars in the sky to the vast number of advanced parts within even the tiniest cell, the evidence points toward intentional design rather than random events evolving toward today's observable universe. In philosophy, this is described as the argument from design or the teleological argument for God's existence.
>>1118014
i am already aware of these shitty arguments senpai. thank YHVH you didn't post the ontological argument or else I would have flipped my shit
>>1118022
A third way to discuss proof of God is found in the universal sense of morality. In other words, every person adheres to some system of right and wrong, even though people vary greatly in what is accepted as right or wrong. This universal sense of right and wrong points toward an outside, objective source of morality. This is often called the moral argument for God's existence.
Yet another way to speak of evidence for God is to appeal to the vast number of unexplained occurrences of miracles and the supernatural. Are all of these events explainable by natural causes? If not, then the existence of a supernatural being is at least possible.
More specific to the God of the Bible are the many predictions made regarding the Jewish Messiah in the Old Testament that were fulfilled in Jesus Christ (see this article for more). Though predicted hundreds of years before His coming, they describe His virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14), His town of birth (Bethlehem; Micah 5:2), His Jewish tribe (Judah), and many other areas, including His suffering (Isaiah 53; Psalm 22). Though one could argue for a few seemingly "random" connections, the number of accurate predictions and level of detail make it so improbable as to be considered statistically impossible for one man to coincidentally meet them all. Fulfilled biblical prophecy points toward a God who is sovereign and omnipotent.
While some would reject these arguments as conclusive proof of God, the evidence for an eternal, all-powerful Creator God is strong. Further, the evidence for the God of the Bible and Jesus the Messiah include great detail worthy of further study for those investigating the claims of Christianity.
>>1117333
>sweet potato
>pictured is a regular potato
reee
>>1118024
How are they shitty?
God exists, there is no alternative.
These arguments have never been refuted.
Atheists have resorted to the retarded and ridiculous out-there theory of multiverses.
THAT's how desperate people are to escape accountability to God.
fuck, I triggered a flood of copypasta
>>1118035
You said you couldn't find God, so let me help you.
>>1118039
>>1118042
>>1118046
>>1118034
>Atheists have resorted to the retarded and ridiculous out-there theory of multiverses.
It's not so much that they've "resorted" to this as they have begun adding ideological importance to an unsettled area of theoretical physics. Religious claims based on that stuff are just wholly unfounded, akin to Mormon archaeology for the fedoraposter.
>>1118048
>>1118053
>so does christcucks resort to the bible
>muh god wrote it
>muh universal truth
