What was the Middle East like before the Ottomans? Did the Ottomans bring stability? In your opinion, were the Arabs better off not revolting against the empire?
How the hell didn't they conquer Morocco
>>1101902
Sams reason why the Abbasids/Spanish/Portuguese couldn't
>>1101902
morocco was basically a descendent/brother of the granada kingdom from spain. it had it's own monarchy unrelated to the arab empire.
when the ottomans came, the king just made a peace pact with the ottomans and played it smoothly in order to retain his independence. they knew he wasn't an enemy and he knew how to play it wisely with them by not posing as a threat and allowing them to come into the country if they wanted to. so the ottomans never really saw a reason to conquer it.
>>1101901
Why didn't they conquer Iran?
>>1101943
same reason algiers took so long
>>1101943
Safavid dynasty; a family of Persian/Kurds/Azeris were highly militarized, formed a coalition to prevent the Ottoman Turks from expanding into their lands and then created their own empire that rivaled and matched the Ottomans for nearly the next 3 centuries more or less.
>>1101943
They tried constantly but the Zagros are a hell of a natural border and the Safavids were very determined to stop them. They even tried to ally with the Habsburgs a couple of times. The persians attacked pretty much every time they knew that the turkish sultan would be campaigning in Europe.
Iran basically was for the Ottomans what France was for the Habsburgs. A constant pain in the ass preventing the massive empire from the other big empire.
>>1102100
You just made me appreciate Persians more given how much I hate the Hapsburgs in the first place.
>>1101901
>What was the Middle East like before the Ottomans?
A bunch of Emirates fucking around all over the middle east, leftovers of the Mongol/Timurid conquests, and powerful Mamluk Egypt.
Mamluk Egypt also had some nonimal rule over the guys in Syria and Levant.
In Anatolia you had some rogue Byzantine generals with their autistic feudal lands such as the """"""""Empire"""""""" of Trebizond, and littler Turkic warlords who were absorbed by the Osmanli dynasty.
>>1102110
>hating the saviour of Europe
Absolutely heretical.
>>1102123
HABSBURG FUCKING SHITS GET OUT
>>1102121
Were some Mamluks white?
>>1102157
Most Mamluks are Turkics. And some Turkics do display whiteish features since much of Central Asia used to be populated by Indo-Iranian Steppenigs, whom the various Turkics groups either absorbed or conquered on their way Westwards.
But some Mamluks weren't Turkics as they could be Georgian or even Slavic.
Al-Din Baibars himself- a Turkic cunt from Transoxania- was described as a Blonde guy with blue eyes.
>>1102194
Those Iranics in Central Asia weren't really absorbed so much as they were wiped out completely. All that's left are the Tajiks (Colonial Persians) and Afghanis.
>>1102157
>In Egypt, Georgian mamluks retained their native language, were aware of the politics of the Caucasus region, received frequent visits from their parents or other relatives, and sent gifts to family members or gave money to build useful structures (a defensive tower, or even a church) in their native villages in Georgia.
>>1102212
Except their traits still crop up among the Turkics. And this is before Russian rule or Settlement in Anatolia.
Steppe Nomads like Turkics often formed "states" centered around a great clan bitching lesser clans. Some of the Iranics in Asia who got conquered became part of this and simply disappeared through enculturation and interbreeding.
>>1102157
delet this
