Who are your favorite and least favorite American presidents, and why?
fave
TR
unfave
obama bin laden
FAVORITE
Coolidge because he was like me and he believed in personal liberties
LEAST FAVORITE
FDR for failing against Great Depression and in his policies during WWII
But we could argue that Wilson's presidency was more disastrous to the world.
>>1062044
Fave Nixon because I love all the films that were made about him
Least fave Jefferson because autism and hypocrisy
Favorite
Teddy
Ike
Polk
Least Favorite
Wilson
Bush Jr.
Reagan
>>1062044
Washington. Led a charge, got horse shot out from under him, bullet holes in hat and coat, got another horse, lead another charge. You can't fake balls that big.
Lincoln. Because fuck slavery.
Reagan. Because fuck communism.
>>1062044
Pic definitely not related
>>1062044
Favourite:
Polk
Teddy Roosevelt
Jackson
Eisenhower
Least Favourite:
Harding
Andrew Johnson
Worst: Wilson, LBJ, FDR
Best: Jackson, Jefferson, Trump
Why is Wilson so hated? I'm just a naive anglo.
>>1065189
Women's suffrage, Wilsonian doctrine, direct election of senators, federal reserve, prohibition
>>1065228
>Women's suffrage
What's bad about that?
>>1065417
4chan neckbeards blame feminism for the fact they can't get a girlfriend. To a degree, they're right, considering pretty much anyone could get married back in the olden days.
>>1062044
>Trump
>Nixon
>>1065417
I believe he didn't want for it to happen and then flip flopped as soon as it became popular.
>>1065417
Expansion of beurocracy, lowering of fertility, precedent for sexual liberation and other forms of feminism.
Faves
>FDR and Lincoln
Least faves
>Reagan, Bush and Clinton
Don't like them but think they get an unfair bad rap
>Nixon, LBJ, Jackson
Don't hate them but think they're overrated
>Washington, Kennedy, Jefferson
Fave
>Obama
Least:
>Nixon
>>1065528
thread/
>>1065485
>le progressive liberal Democrat face
>Favorite
T. Roosevelt
Eisenhower
Washington
>Assholes
Andrew Jackson
Andrew Johnson
Lyndon Johnson
>>1065691
Guys whose last names start with J and end on son are the worst kind of people.
Accumulated this shit results in people calling their son's Jason and thus basically creating a mini Anti-Christ.
>>1062044
Favorite is Lincoln
Least favorite is Andrew Jackson
Best
>Washington, for setting the 2 term limit precedent, handling an armed rebellion in an extremely light handed way, and keeping the U.S. out of stupid shit so it could grow.
>Polk, Muh manifest destiny and relative lack of corruption.
Worst
>U.S. Grant. The man was a soldier, not a politician. Corruption up the ass; he probably wasn't involved but his incompetence allowed it to happen.
>Obama. inb4 "Go back to /pol/. Obama has divided the nation and been more partisan than any president in decades. He has fanned the flames of racism in the country, demonized traditional America ("Clinging to guns and religion") and strong armed a shitty health bill. His foreign policy in Libya has played a huge role in the cuckening of Europe, and he has been supporting ISIS in Syria.
T. Roosevelt is the most based president of all time
DUDE I'M DEAD LMAO
>>1065745
Did he fake his death or something?
Fav: Truman
Least fav: Hoover
>>1065734
>inb4 "Go back to /pol/.
>continues with absolutely /pol/-tier post
Good job anon, now go back to /pol/.
Best
>FDR: Kept the nation afloat in Depression, kept it together in World War 2. Literally two of the four most extreme moments in American History, and he kept us through it.
>Washington: Was able to be Cincinnatius enough to let us keep our Republic.
Worst
>Reagan: Huge increase in debt, his administration most corrupt since someone like Polk (They called Reagan the Teflon President for a reason), and was generally just a bad president. Likable, but shitty.
>Grant: Like Reagan, super corrupt and a bad president. Great general, bad president.
Most Badass
>Washington: For reasons stated in posts above, he had brass balls
>Andrew Jackson: Asking Congress for literal permission to go down to the South and hang all the traitors from the trees and delaying the Civil War for fourty years is pretty cool.
>Obama: Just doesn't give a shit.
>Best
Lincoln
Monroe
Truman
>Worst
Carter
Hoover
Wilson
>Memes
JFK
Obama
Reagan
>>1068149
>most badass
>Obama
Fave:
Washington
Jackson
Eisenhower
JFK
Reagan
Trump
Least Fave:
Wilson
FDR
LBJ
Clinton
Obama
and many more in this list but those are just the first that come to mind
>>1068149
I seriously doubt anyone actually likes FDR other than completely contrarian reasons
>>1068149
>Obama: Just doesn't give a shit.
Haha I wish I paid enough attention to Obama. What has he done recently that would embody an "I don't give a shit" attitude?
>>1068286
His utter incompetence.
>>1068286
>What has he done recently that would embody an "I don't give a shit" attitude?
you mean besides actively release 10's of thousands of illegal aliens into the country and then brush off any criticism as republican posturing?
>>1068246
>liking FDR
>contrarian
Everyone fucking loves FDR. Liking FDR is one of the least contrarian things you can do.
>>1068141
Nothing about his post was /pol/.
>anything I don't like is /pol/
>>1068305
It's probably a /pol/ poster than thinks /pol/ is representative.
>>1068286
He has tried to overthrow two governments without congressional approval and no clear plan for the aftermath. That is pretty not giving a shit.
>>1068246
>I seriously doubt anyone actually likes FDR other than completely contrarian reasons
>>1068286
>doesn't care about immigration
>doesn't care about foreign policy
>doesn't care about employment or the economy
Just doesn't give a shit incarnate.
>>1068312
You guys use the word /pol/ just like /pol/acks use the words Jew and SJW.
>>1068299
Christ I didn't even know that. I should probably watch the news or something.
>>1062044
unfave
>FDR
Saved capitalism
>Lincoln
Saved America
>Washington
Revolting
Fave
>Bill Clinton
>GW. Bush
>James Buchanan
>>1068333
>Bill Clinton
>GW Bush
Literally why
>>1068330
When you have people posting threads like http://desustorage.org/his/thread/1067954/ every hour it's not a completely unfounded claim
>>1068332
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/28/obamas-ice-releases-19000-criminal-illegal-aliens-including-murderers-and-sex-offenders/
this is just ONE instance out of his tenure in the white house.
>>1068330
I always love how /pol/ pops out the double standard.
>i cant bait you as easily if you dont try to act better than me and dont sink down to my level
>>1062044
>favorites
Jackson
Lincoln
T. Roosevelt
Washington
>Least
Grant
FDR
Nixon
Clinton onwards
>>1068340
>When you have people like Chaim Schekelbergowitz posting articles like this:
Right back at you. Looking for boogeymen just like /pol/
>>1068341
>breitbart
>news
If that passes as reputable journalism, Huffpo should be twice as reputable.
>>1068345
The joke is that I'm not from /pol/.
>>1068357
breitbart is by no means the only site reporting on this
but im sure you're one of those who think that if it doesn't come from cnn/msnbc/abc then it's not legitimate news
>>1068359
>hi /pol/
>/pol/ gets triggered and samefags about /pol/ and shit
>btw im not /pol/
Ok.
>>1068349
Yeah but I don't think you do.
>>1068363
That sounds just like /pol/
>a bunch of whiny cunts who can't handle any dissenting opinions.
>gb2reddit
In b4 you have bait threads about #feelthebern that are 98% posts just making fun of it or something meaning you have a diverse opinion.
>>1068370
And by the way, I wasn't talking about "double standards" or implying that /pol/ is any good. I was saying that both you and /pol/ are equally retarded and are dismissing any sort of legitimate opinions by envoking the mysterious boogeyman.
"go back to /pol/" is not any different than "fuck off JIDF"
>>1068369
No, I'm saying it coming from Breitbart doesn't make it legitimate, not that they can't produce legitimate news. It's almost tabloid tier. If your goal is to produce what appears to be legitimate solid journalism, you don't start posting from Huffpo do you?
>>1068379
Leftist opnions posted on /pol/ are shouted down but they are shouted with opposing views. /his/ just says "/pol/ alert lol!" and acts that wins the argument.
>>1068381
>"go back to /pol/" is not any different than "fuck off JIDF"
>comparing a board on the same fucking site to a random internet group
>>1068386
so then what source would I need to give you to prove that this administration has done exactly nothing to stop illegal immigration, but in fact encourages it?
>>1068388
Both are equally irrational kneejerk reactions, even in this discussion it's highlighted by the fact that I don't even come from /pol/ yet it doesn't stop you from sperging out and crusading against an imaginary opponent.
>>1068381
He thought liking FDR was contrarian. It was pointing how out of touch with reality he was, probably because he was /pol/ where people think like that. He didn't say go back to /pol/. That's just you getting triggered. /pol/ probably has the thinnest skin on 4chan short of ponies.
Warren G Harding because he fucking sucked
>>1068400
I am not that anon, how are his posts related to mine? You called ME a /pol/ack in this very thread and that claim is based on nothing other than "everything I don't like is /pol/".
>>1068386
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/29/ice-under-fire-for-releasing-thousands-illegal-immigrants-with-rap-sheets.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/27/homland-security-releasaing-thousands-illegal-immi/
took 5 seconds to google "illegal immigrants"
>>1068414
I'm not the same guy telling you that you are from /pol/. You however are claiming that /pol/lacks on a history board from the same site is merely imaginary.
>>1068387
/pol/ just says "reddit" and spouts memes think that wins the argument
>>1068418
Of course there are /pol/acks on /his/, I'm not denying that. That doesn't mean you should dismiss everyone you don't like by labeling him /pol/.
>>1068415
That's a bit better, but you do realize Fox News is still as dismissable as Huffpo right?
>>1068428
>people only like fdr for contrarian opinions
You get dismissed for /pol/ by acting like /pol/
>>1068430
No it isn't. Compare the front pages of the two and stop being such a faggot.
>>1068435
>/pol thinks FDR was bad
>therefore everyone who dislikes FDR must be from /pol/
vs
>some Jews are leftists
>therefore everyone with a left-leaning opinion is a Jew
I see no difference between this. Equally retarded logic.
>>1068460
>/pol thinks FDR was bad
>therefore everyone who dislikes FDR must be from /pol/
That's no what was said, but as expected of /pol/ to resort to strawmans and memes.
>I seriously doubt anyone actually likes FDR other than completely contrarian reasons
This is called being out of touch with reality
>I think FDR was bad
This is called having an opinion
Why is /pol/ so easily triggered?
>>1068460
The difference there is that one conclusion is factual and other is just your delusion.
>>1068435
It is pretty clear the guy didn't know what contrarian meant though. Pretty sure he meant people like FDR because everyone else does which is a contrarian opinion in itself but not necessarily wrong and not necessarily /pol/ inspired.
>>1068466
Do you actually believe I'm from /pol/ or are you just memeing and shitposting? Genuinely curious.
>>1068470
It is a literal fact that everyone in the entire world who doesn't like FDR is from /pol/? That is delusional.
>>1068479
I think for these guys it's completely unfathomable that someone can hold conservative sentiments without being from /pol/.
>>1068472
The probability is likely. It's reinforced by the fact you got triggered for being called /pol/, are strawmanning like fuck, and you want to argue at least half in defense of /pol/, and will misrepresent what was said to do so. Although obviously I can't ascertain which specific anonymous is which.
You see, the thing is, in this case, /pol/ is used as the explanation for why a post was a shitpost. It's not dismissing a post as a shitpost because is it /pol/. There's a difference.
Something like
>I seriously doubt anyone actually likes FDR other than completely contrarian reasons
is a shitpost whether or not it came from /pol/.
>>1068499
>triggered
You know it's pretty ironic that you're throwing /pol/ lingo all over the place yet accuse me of being the one who's from there.
>you want to argue at least half in defense of /pol/
Once again, "no." I'm not defending /pol/ at all, I'm saying you're just as retarded as them. In what universe is that a defense?
>>1068507
That is what he literally said.
>The difference there is that one conclusion is factual and other is just your delusion.
It isn't a fact that everyone who doesn't like FDR is from /pol/. Which is what I said. Do you even know what the straw man fallacy is or do you just really like using buzz words?
>>1068507
That's not a strawman, that's what you literally said. You said that everyone who disliked FDR being from /pol/ is a factual conclusion.
>>1068499
>Do you actually believe I'm a Jew or are you just memeing and shitposting? Genuinely curious.
>The probability is likely. It's reinforced by the fact you got triggered for being called a kike, are strawmanning like fuck, and you want to argue at least half in defense of the Jews, and will misrepresent what was said to do so.
>>1068514
>>1068517
Except the original poster didn't say "everyone who dislikes FDR must be from /pol/", the original poster said "It's PROBABLY a /pol/ poster than thinks /pol/ is representative." in response to the extremely sheltered statement of "I seriously doubt anyone actually likes FDR other than completely contrarian reasons"
>>1068509
>You know it's pretty ironic that you're throwing /pol/ lingo all over the place yet accuse me of being the one who's from there.
Yes, I like making fun of you using /pol/ words. I find it amusing.
>Once again, "no." I'm not defending /pol/ at all, I'm saying you're just as retarded as them. In what universe is that a defense?
That's why it's a half defense, and yes, that is defense. If you say, "well everyone else does it" that's a defense. There's also the fact that your argument only works if you strawman and misrepresent what was said. You have to change the argument to
>u must be from /pol/ because you don't like fdr gb2/pol/
>>1068514
What was said that someone who thinks this
>I seriously doubt anyone actually likes FDR other than completely contrarian reasons
and is posting on 4chan probably came from /pol/. This is not an issue of disliking a popular figure. This is an issue of being so delusional you don't realize a popular figure is popular.
>Which is what I said
Which is a strawman
>Do you even know what the straw man fallacy is or do you just really like using buzz words?
It's in the /pol/ sticky
>>1068527
Yeah but that isn't who I responded to dipshit.
CHECK AND MATE LIBFAGS
>>1068532
I was responding to
>The difference there is that one conclusion is factual and other is just your delusion.
Not what was previously said.
Who is strawmanning now?
>>1068524
Is that supposed to be bait or something because making it about Jews isn't PC?
>>1068548
>"everyone who dislikes FDR must be from /pol/"
That is what was literally said though and was the point that was being disputed. Arguing something that is a direct quote is about as far away from strawmanning as you can be.
>>1068560
>That is what was literally said though
Where?
>>1068542
>>1068534
>The difference there is that one conclusion is factual and other is just your delusion.
That's not me. Although he did a good job triggering you. It's hard to keep track of all the strawmans in this thread. If that's all you're arguing against, I can only assume the poster posting about the other stuff and making strawmans about that has already left, cowering with his tail in between his legs.
>>1068562
>The difference there is that one conclusion is factual and other is just your delusion.
The factual being
>therefore everyone who dislikes FDR must be from /pol/
>>1068565
>triggering
Once again with the /pol/ack vocabulary.
>>1068569
>projecting
He didn't actually say which one was factual. You just got triggered by what you perceived as the implication.
>>1068569
That's completely unrelated to the original post. You're just using some retard who jumped into the argument as fodder. The original post DID NOT SAY "everyone who dislikes FDR must be from /pol/". How is this so hard to understand?
>>1068572
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>>1068565
I didn't say it was you and if it wasn't you I was talking to then how can you accuse me of strawmanning your argument if I was never talking to you in the first place?
>>1068532
>I hate /pol/ so much I will literally shitpost as much as any /pol/ack and use /pol/ meme lingo to make you mad, regardless of whether you're actually from /pol/
The horseshoe theory proven right ITT.
>>1065145
Trump isn't even a president
>>1065417
A lot of people on here will spout a lot of bullshit about women's suffrage being bad for one reason or another, but the real main reason to dislike it is simple.
Women were in favor of prohibition and that in turn led to the dramatic expansion of the state security apparatus necessary to enforce the laws. Prohibition is ALSO the reason why we don't have legal prostitution in most of the country and why we have the retarded drug laws we do. All of the major infringements on liberty in this country started in the early 20th century and were done to appeal to moralist women.
Consider that for a moment the next time someone talks about how great it is that women can vote.
>>1068579
Reddit please, this is 4chan, your account name doesn't get shown here. Anonymous is anonymous. If you're partaking in a conversation of linked posts, it's your responsibility to disown posts and deny being a samefag. Are you new?
>>1068582
>The horseshoe theory proven right ITT.
You do realize this is 4chan right? Were you seeking a high level of discourse?
Jesus christ fucking lefty-/his/, shut up. /pol/ did not have to come up in this thread, nobody called Obama a nigger muslim, they disagreed with his goddamn policy.
/his/ needs to shut the fuck up with all this /pol/ blaming, Nationalism is a thing now. Learn to fucking deal with it, debate it, I don't give a fuck, just don't yell /pol/ like a bunch of faggots
>>1068607
>HAHA LET'S JUST SHITPOST :DDD
At this point I'm becoming convinced YOU should fuck off back to /pol/
>There are people ITT who claim trump is their favorite president even though he hasn't been fucking elected and hasn't actually enacted a single policy
>>1068607
He accused me of strawmanning his argument when I wasn't even responding to his post. My identity in the matter is irrelevant.
>>1068625
i-it doesn't matter, he WILL bring change, for REAL this time
it's like these fucks don't remember Obama's "hope" and "change" campaign
FDR was a communist sympathizer and wanted to be a dictator.
Wilson sold us out to the banks.
Fave
>Washington
>Jefferson
>Coolidge
Unfave
>Wilson
>FDR
>Clinton
>>1068630
Are you new to 4chan? Do you not understand how anonymous posting in a discussion works? Reddit please.
>>1068615
If I wanted a high level of discourse I wouldn't post on /his/ and deal with retards saying retarded things. Although I could see that if /pol/ is your bubble, you could literally not comprehend any other source that would give you the redpills or discuss anything on a bluepilled website.
Favorite
>FDR
>Clinton
>LBJ (Before vietnam)
>Lincoln
Least Favorite
>LBJ (After Vietnam)
>Nixon
>W. Bush
>Reagan
>Hoover
>>1068674
Because all those posts were linked in a common thread of discussion. Are you stupid or something?
>>1065711
You're not wrong. I didn't even try to do that.
>>1062044
Favorite
>Pic Related
Unfavorite
>Woodrow Wilson
Favorite
>Lincoln
Won the Civil War
>FDR
Key role in winning WW2
>Trump
Memes
Least Favorite
>Buchanan
Refused to act on secession of South
>Fillmore
Did literally nothing
Fave:
Lincoln
Worst:
Wilson
>>1062064
Reagan was a phony. You're dumb.
>>1072176
To be fair, it required a phony actor to pull off the kind of brinkmanship you needed to fight the communists. On the other hand, brinkmanship is dangerous and the USSR was going to collapse anyways.
>>1062061
Good fucking taste
>>1068149
>Obama: Just doesn't give a shit.
Obama is not a bad president, but he is definitely a tryhard. I especially love when "doesn't give a shit" enough to fake a southern accent when he gives speeches in black areas.
>>1062044
Favorite: Bill Clinton
Least favorite: Ronald Reagan
Reasons: Spare me this answer, Anon. You already know.
>>1068620
>he made the suggestion that it was possible. This is not hard to understand.
Which is equally corrosive to discussion. To bring up /pol/ in the first place was pathetic tbqh
>>1068590
Not yet, senpai
