What are the real historical reasons that alcohol and nicotine are legal, but MDMA, LSD, mushrooms, and DMT are not?
>>1040112
Bunneh!
hippies
>>1040112
the civilization whose laws ours are based on never heard of those things
>>1040112
Culture. You just can't keep us from drinking and smoking. We've been doing it for so long. Stuff like mushrooms and weed wasn't used for so many people for as long.
>>1040157
I'm sorry, but I think that's an indefensible reason.
>>1040157
>Stuff like mushrooms and weed wasn't used for so many people for as long
>>1040160
It is, doesn't stop it from being the truth. If alcohol and tobacco were modern discoveries, they'd probably be outlawed as well.
It's not like some places haven't tried with prohibition.
Someone told me that all the good stuff got banned because the hippie movement was protesting against the Vietnam War, so the easiest way to put them in prison was to make it a crime to do hippie things, specifically drugs.
>>1044011
Makes political sense desu
Wasn't it possible to buy heaps of now illegal substances from an apothecary back in the day?
>>1044015
Oh yes.
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>>1040112
>What are the real historical reasons that alcohol and nicotine are legal, but MDMA, LSD, mushrooms, and DMT are not?
Money, unions, americans.
Most drugs were legal until the great wars in Europe, then when a bunch of unemployed single 30 year old bachelors with mental problems and drug addictions came home from the front that shit had to be outlawed, else you'd have problems.
I talked to a university teacher who said back when he was a student in what is today Kaliningrad he and his friends would take cocaine, heroin and morphine all the time, it was a trendy thing for modern young men.
Unrelated, but he also said apparently there was a phase there during which people loved canned food as the new best thing, you'd go to the market and buy canned food rather than fresh, even if you plan on eating it right now. It was just a futuristic thing, very trendy.
Anyways, all of this shit had to be outlawed, but alcohol and tobacco producers were too strong, employed too many people, had too many people dependent on their goods, so they couldn't be.
>>1040160
He didn't give a reason, he gave an explanation.
>>1044015
The joke is that now that these things are banned, they became much more potent. No use bringing in a small concentrate, since thats a big risk for a small gain, and you want your customers to be hooked and depend on you so they are regular.
What used to be a loose concentrate with not too much of the active stuff is now a very raw, very concentrated pure thing. Basically outlawing the drug ensured that the drugs being sold became more potent.
Another bad side effect is that now that its illegal, there is no quality control. If it were legal, there would be rules on how it should be produced, where it should be produced, by which specialists and in what conditions, etc. If its illegal, there is no quality control, and you can get poisoned by bad stuff made by incompetent people.
The third side effect of worth is that it used to be just a thing, now its a badass rebel thing. This makes it particularly attractive to children.
And if you want to be practical, you can mention that since its illegal it can't be taxed. Taxes gathered from drug trade can be used to regulate drug trade and ensure quality, making it a self sufficient system. Now we spend a lot to fight drug trade, while not gaining from it. Its a net loss.
>>1040157
>We've been doing it for so long.
Since the late 17th century? Tobacco is a New World thing.
Meanwhile opiates have been around with "us" (assuming you are of the european culture group) for thousands of years, yet are banned.
>>1040112
Weed was made illegal to disenfranchise hippies and black people by making it easier to arrest them..
>>1040128
Cringe.
>>1040112
Alcohol and nicotine are very profitable for the government and aren't debilitating except in large doses; the other drugs you mentioned are either un-profitable or debilitating in very small doses. It doesn't really matter if a DMT trip is all of 15 minutes; for that 15 minutes the person on the trip is off exploring new galaxies with the machine elves.
>>1044015
Yep. Many patent medicines were basically a slurry of grain alcohol, cannabis, opiates, sugar and flavoring agents.
