ITT we justify atrocities. Post your favourite genocide, war crime, mass murder or any other thing and justify it.
>In the 13th century the Mongols conquered modern day Iraq and destroyed their irrigation system leading to great loss in productive capacity.
Iraqis had it coming and the Mongols really did them a favour, like a father disciplining a child.
The fertile cresent used to be covered in lush forests, but being irresponsible, the population destroyed the forests and desertified the land leading to a collapse, Destruction of their irrigation canals helped them adopt a more responsible mode of production.
> Genocide
Aboriginal Tasmanians
> Justification
Aboriginal people are vile
>>1034145
Firebombing of Dresden.
You all know why.
the actions against Hereros and Namas in Namibia 1904 were actually quite justified because the indigenous behaved like savage animals
Armenian Genocide.
Didn't even happen.
DEATH WITH THE JEWS THEY SHOULD TAKE A SHOWER WITH GAS
>>1034163
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind?
>Persecution of Christians in ancient Rome
It's a win for everybody because the Christians get to live out their martyrdom cuckold fetish and people on earth don't have to put up with them any more.
>>1034145
>destruction of Tenochtitlan and of Aztec sculpture and architecture.
They were very bad and performed human sacrifices.
>obliteration of the peoples native to the caribbean islands.
It's not genocide if you exploit them so much that they die but you were not even trying.
>>1034145
>Atlantic trade of slaves.
If you think it through it's the niggers fault because they were the ones enslaving each other.
>Katyn massacre.
Polish officers would became the core of organized resistance in the occupied territories, resulting in prolonged rebellions both sides of Soviet-German border, compromising security of that border and leading to loss of many civilian lives. Because, if you can say something about Polish, it's that they like to rebel but they aren't very good at it, see 1794, 1830, 1863, 1944.
>>1034236
>They were very bad and performed human sacrifices.
They didn't perform that much human sacrifice. Spaniards emphasized it to justify their actions. The Aztecs practiced realpolitick and should have made more friends though especially Tlaxcala.
>>1034234
Your plan, my friend, it did not work!
>>1034292
>realpolitick
You tried to sound smart but ended up sounding retarded m9
>>1034163
>>1034145
>The IJN Yuudachi abusing the white flag at the Battle of the Solomons Island, thus causing the USN to issue "no quarter" regarding shipwrecked IJN sailors and marines.
IT'S NOT A FLAG, IT'S A SAIL.
(Pic related, this is how the Japanese see the IJN Yuudachi today.)
>IJN Ikazuchi and IJN Inazuma saving all those British sailors and doi- no wait, that's not a warcrime.
>JAPANESE AMERICAN INTERNMENT
You got Daniel Inoyue out of it, so shut up.
>Sook Chin- fuck it I'm not even gonna touch it
>HOLODOMOR
STALIN FUCKED UP, OKAY. AND IT WASN'T WASN'T A MASSACRE; IT WAS STALIN FYCKING UP AGRARIAN REFORMS FOR UKRAINE.
>The Holocaust
The Jews crashed Germany's economy and began to subvert German society.
Money. Literal boatloads of it
>American invasion of Afghanistan.
Killed Osama and brought candy to staving Afghan orphans
>>1034997
>Afganistan War
>War crime.
It's literally the most just war waged by the West since WW2.
>HOLODOMOR
A failed agrarian reform of the USSR that just happened to hit Ukraine the most. If successful, the reform would have raised the necessary capital for heavy industries which would have greatly benefited the farmers by providing them mechanization and greatly increasing yields, freeing up labour to produce other things that would quickly and greatly raise the living standards of the USSR.
The Crusades were an honorable retaliation effort by the European peoples after centuries of Islamic
Invasions.
>it's supposedly our fault that the Irish all forgot that fish exist
wew lad
>>1035048
Yes, those peasants in mudhuts were surely an threat to the US. Or was it vengeane against Saudis for---wait what?
>>1035171
Brits blocked off Americans from sending food into Ireland though
>9/11 attacks
After all the shit the US had done around the world they had it coming. They got a fraction of a small taste of their own medicine.
>>1035195
Brits forbid Turks from sending food to Ireland simply because the Turks wanted to send more food than the Brits did.
They smuggled it in anyway. Should have a smuggled a few janissary regiments and liberated Ireland while they were at it.
>>1036264
Jesus Christ the Brits were even more of a cunt with the Irish that I knew. That's just evil.
>Haitian Revolution
Karma
reminder thet genocide Is the bi-product of a civilized society, which realizes that exterminating the threat, to none, Is the most effective cause to further peace.
that and armenians had it coming
>>1035171
n the magazine History Ireland (1997, issue 5, pp. 32–36), Christine Kinealy, a Great Hunger scholar, lecturer, and Drew University professor, relates her findings: Almost 4,000 vessels carried food from Ireland to the ports of Bristol, Glasgow, Liverpool, and London during 1847, when 400,000 Irish men, women, and children died of starvation and related diseases. She also writes that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon, and ham actually increased during the Famine. This food was shipped under British military guard from the most famine-stricken parts of Ireland; Ballina, Ballyshannon, Bantry, Dingle, Killala, Kilrush, Limerick, Sligo, Tralee, and Westport. A wide variety of commodities left Ireland during 1847, including peas, beans, onions, rabbits, salmon, oysters, herring, lard, honey, tongues, animal skins, rags, shoes, soap, glue, and seed. The most shocking export figures concern butter. Butter was shipped in firkins, each one holding 9 imperial gallons; 41 litres. In the first nine months of 1847, 56,557 firkins (509,010 imperial gallons; 2,314,000 litres) were exported from Ireland to Bristol, and 34,852 firkins (313,670 imperial gallons; 1,426,000 litres) were shipped to Liverpool, which correlates with 822,681 imperial gallons (3,739,980 litres) of butter exported to England from Ireland during nine months of the worst year of the Famine.[81] The problem in Ireland was not lack of food, which was plentiful, but the price of it, which was beyond the reach of the poor.[82
>>1035171
Irish coastal settlements weren't that badly affected by the famine
Though not many Irish lived in coastal villages by that stage because there was no wood to make boats out of, the British had cleared all of Ireland's forests for farmland.
>>1034145
Belgians literally din' du nuffin in the Congo.
It was all just Leo, dey is good boys
>>1036308
Technically correct.
You can't possibly pay people enough to get them to travel down a dirt road to the middle of nowhere in the South and voluntarily pick cotton in the middle of July and still be able to turn a profit unless you have them living in squalor like the sharecroppers.
Agricultural work in subtropical areas didn't become humane until harvesting was mostly mechanized and modern transportation allowed workers to travel freely and earn more money.
>>1036339
That's why it's so great
>>1034153
>aboriginal
>people
>>1034260
>leading to the loss of many Polish lives
Unlike the actual history of Soviet occupied Poland, which was a safe, happy place to be during the war.
>>1034163
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Blah blah muh occupation.
But really, I just like the idea that you can take some steel pipe, some sugar, and some stump remover, and create a national security threat that costs literally hundreds of millions of dollars to deal with.
>>1036417
it really is pathetic how much israel fear these guys when their "bomb"
>>1036439
*with their "bomb"
fuck
>>1036439
So they're supposed to wait until Muslims actually get their hands on something with real destructive power? Please.
>>1036286
>Literally all the shit that happened to Haiti after 1800
Karma
>>1036439
Well, that's like the entire reason terrorism works.
Humans can't calculate risk effectively.
As long as there's a non-zero chance of something happening, and humans are aware of that risk, they'll be scared.
It's the same reason everyone loses their shit over missing kids and school shootings.
>>1034145
The two consecutive nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki managed to quickly end a war that would otherwise have dragged out with America conventionally bombing and killing an incredibly higher amount of Japanese innoncents before the Japanese government would surrender. It was a well known fact that bravery in battle and complete unwillingness to surrender were traits deeply ingrained into Japanese culture and the American government knew that it would require an incredible show of force to convince the Japanese government that they were fighting a hopeless battle that by all quantifiable manners, they were.
The Cold War that would be initiated by America's initial use of nuclear arms was definitely a contentious period that could have sparked the bloodiest of wars, but nuclear deterrent proved to work in deterring major powers from fighting eachother in open combat.
The best part is I'm not memeing about this for the thread, these things are completely true. If anyone complains Hiroshima and Nagasaki being immoral, remind them that Japan was responsible for the death and rape of far more Chinese innocents than what Japan suffered and then ask them if it was moral for the allies to bomb Germany and kill far more German innocents than Japan would ever suffer.
>>1036578
Literally no one believes the nukes were bad except for Japanese historical revisionists and selfhating leftists, even vatniks like watching Japan immolated
Serbs are violent pests
Nazis think they can conquer the world.
Lose.
Invading armies rape all their daughters and little sisters while Nazi leaders blow their own brains out.
If you're going to try and conquer the world don't blow it or all your daughters and little sisters are going to get gang raped to remind you not to try it again.
>>1034145
Jews just fucking deserved it let's be honest man
>Native American "GENOCIDE"
Never happened
>>1036649
You'd be surprised. Nobody is ever too outspoken about it, but most people tend to see it as some sort of black mark on American history when, ironically, it was one of the most humane and ethical decisions made during WW2 (at least when compared to the alternatives.)
Does anyone have the picture of Wikipedia saying "This list of genocides is incomplete. You can help by expanding it."?
>>1036685
Americans liberated the land from the natives
>>1036710
>most people
you mean "most bleeding heart millennial historical revisionist university Marxists"
>>1036916
Nah, I've run into plenty of folks who don't understand that the alternative would have involved the deaths of millions of Japanese and about a million americans.
>>1036251
Honestly as an American, I can see why you think this. Our reckless foreign policy created a lot of unnecessary enemies despite coming out on top of the USSR.
>>1036666
moot?
>>1034163
OP did nothing wrong.
>>1036710
Some historians say that the report claiming the us would lose more than one million soldiers in a classic war was mostly fake, and that the bombings were mostly a display of power and a real scale scientific test.
Two different technologies were used in the bombs, and a high scale scientific research on radiation effects was done on the survivors of the bombings without any will to heal or assist them. People burnt or just irradiated would be brought to american researchers just so they could take note of it.
It is still the longest and most extensive research on the effects of radiation on the human body up to this day.
Militarily speaking, I do not contest the decision though, but claiming it to be humane is pushing the limit
>>1036251
Butthurt thirdworlder detected.
>>1037379
>some historians
with names that end in -ichi or -awa
>>1035166
>>1036251
This but unironically.
>>1036685
True. Jews are like a white version of Americans.
>>1037379
Germans are grateful, so the Anglo must have done something right.
>>1035166
Except half the crusades were against fellow Christians or Europeans.
>>1036473
It's the dumbest shit. We could have literally stopped world hunger with the money that is spent stopping terrorism. Terrorism kills less than 1% of the people who die of hunger.
>>1037626
Albegensian Crusade is the only one that fits that description. The Northern Crusades were against pagans and the Christian Polish who'd rather have pagans and remain independent.
>>1037643
Say my name
Srebrenica. Bosniaks, man, woman and children were mass murdered by Serbs in a UN declared safe zone, guarded by Dutch.
Bosniaks had it coming because never trust your life to a weed smoking Dutch.
feeding thec mudniggers sausages best day of my life
Hitlers only mistake was losing the war before he could stamp out the Gypsies.
>>1034847
>dat VOC-mentaliteit
>tfw you will never be so rich that you accidentally into a global empire while your rubber-stamp home "government" gives no fucks and just lets you keep it
>>1036448
They already do, its their faith derived from Quran. Destroy and undermine their faith and they are no longer a threat.
>>1035166
>>1038082
>211 years later
Did Christendom need prep time before doing literally no damage to the Muslim world?
>>1034145
Hitler originally wanted to send the jews to madagascar.
>tropical island>>>>>>>>shitty desert nation surounded by butthurt arabs
Unit 731 was just doing what no one else had the guts to do.
>Somewhat true
>>1034153
/thread
>>1038150
It was just a testing of the waters for the post 19th century anal ravaging we were planning ;)
>>1038320
>testing water 7 centuries beforehand
>>1038323
If you plan something good, take your time to perfect the plan.
The ME is gonna be a warfilled shithole until either they run out of people (good luck, their population doubled in 30 ish years) or they unfuck their religious-political system (see first example for this solution)
>>1036279
During the famine Ireland was still producing literal tons of food.
It's just that the British were exporting the food back into England for sale, mainly meats.
>>1034145
what atrocity?
>>1036293
It was literally the only good thing enver had done and it can be argued whether it was enver who had thought of this.
>>1034163
so it goes
Frankly, Rwanda has too many people. The only problem with the genocide was that they did not go far enough.
>massive sadistic rapes of German women in the closing stages of WW2
That's what you get for your men being awful thousands of kilometers away without your knowledge.
>>1035048
wew
I'd say the UN respobse to the Korean War is more just.
>>1036578
Another few months of conventional bombing would have made Japan surrender.
>>1038192
>no one else
>>1037379
>Some historians say that the report claiming the us would lose more than one million soldiers in a classic war was mostly fake
Some historians are full of shit, the casualty estimates made were reasonable
Jeju Island Massacre and other removals of commie in South Korea before and during the war.
Because you can't deny the south was crawling with commies who had a very real plan to invade and destroy SK, armed and taking orders from the north and who actually did participate in guerrilla and terrorist actions constantly up until the war, while the remaining ones were happy to join the North Korean army when it rolled south. Result of commie removal: modern South Korea, 1st world and awesome, if they hadn't done it they could end up all being juchedrones.
>>1039902
Go take a look at the thread title, jackass.
>>1036649
Your other option was letting the Red Army shoulder the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands and dealing with Stalin at the negotiation table.
>>1036685
You mean
"Those Injuns could never hold off the might of the most warlike tribes, let's relocate them to somewhere safer... WITH DEATH."
>>1037764
>Singapore alledgedly selling domestic machineguns to the Serbians
"Nothing personal, kid. Atrocities are big busin- those machineguns never entered our ports."
The entire IRA bombing and shooting campaigns in mainland Britain gave the British people a taste of the suffering, and terrorism, the British Empire and governments inflicted on many other countries throughout the centuries.
>>1034145
>Everything that the US did to the Native Americans.
They were in the way of Manifest Destiny and they refused to assimilate to the superior and more advanced society. The only ones I feel bad for are the Cherokee, they were so civilized they had cotton plantations and used blacks as slaves. Jackson should've reconsidered them.
Genocide is gods gift.
>>1042127
I agree, and I'm french.
Actually that's not surprising. Luv u irishboi.
>>1034145
>>1034163
only the losers commit atrocities. Churchill was a good boy who dindu nuffin. Thats why he didn't get any punishment at Nuremberg and all the Nazis did.
>>1036473
To be fair, there's a school shooting in America like, every Tuesday or some shit.
>>1037379
Have you seen the Japanese defense plans for the home islands? It was fucking insane, they literally were planning to fight to the last man and make the Americans suffer for every meter, hell, one of the early stages of the plan involved beaching their remaining battleships and using them as coastal batteries and cover until they were completely powdered, that alone should tell you the kind of industrialized slaughter they were planning.
>>1043113
Yes because obviously the entire populace would follow their suicidal plans wilingly, because the same thing happened in Germany when Hitler gave similar orders, oh wait.
The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, for the fact that they demonstrated in a spectacular way what happens when you give nerds a shitload of money and free reign with dangerous materials.
>>1043196
>Doesn't the idea that the bombings of Hiroshima/Nagasaki convinced the Japanese to give up imply that they weren't quite as committed to national suicide as they seemed?
It wasn't the bombs though, the fact they realized they were about to be double teamed by the Soviets in the north also helped a great deal.
>>1035166
christtards out
>>1043128
All but 7,000 of the approximately 100,000 Japanese troops and conscripts deployed at Okinawa fought to the death. Over 100,000 Okinawans out of a population of 300,000 died from a combination of combat, suicide, and starvation as Japanese troops shot at Americans from their dwellings and confiscated their food supplies.
The Germans never even came close to matching the zeal and viciousness of the Imperial Japanese Army while defending their fatherland. The Japanese had all sorts of happy euphemisms for suicide attacks that they developed by the end of the war, like Gyokusai, Kamikaze, Kaiten, tokko, etc. They were very committed to the idea and demonstrated that commitment repeatedly.
>>1043196
>Doesn't the idea that the bombings of Hiroshima/Nagasaki convinced the Japanese to give up imply that they weren't quite as committed to national suicide as they seemed?
Not at all, and if you read about the Japanese parliament's and military's response to the bombings you'd see that they were deadlocked on the issue and it took the Emperor himself to break it and tender their unconditional surrender and the majority of people obeyed him out of loyalty to him.
>>1034793
>IJN Submarine I-8 torture and then kill a bunch of merchant and military ship personnel
Because the right to violate the rights of humans belongs to the humans,
>>1034145
>bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Those fuckers were fighting back! Can you believe the face of those people?
If not for the bombs soldiers would have die. Soldiers would have die! In a war!
And they say all that seriously. Fucking eternal Americans.
>>1043785
I'll bite.
Your own citizens lives take precedent over the lives of the enemy in a war.
>>1043794
>Your own citizens lives take precedent over the lives of the enemy in a war
So what's the exchange ratio of Japanese to Americans for senseless killing to be justified then? Surely you'd have no problem with 2:1 but I'm curious on your opinion on 10:1 or 20:1
>>1043482
Deadlocked my ass.
The warhawks tried to coup after the a-bombs were used.
Japanese civvies were prepared to die resisting the Americans (or the Soviets). And the Americans were getting tired of the war by then.
Put it this way, it was either the bomb, working with the Soviets or dragging the war by at least 2 years. And Truman did not want to work with Stalin.
>Those fuckers were fighting back! Can you believe the face of those people?
If not for the bombs soldiers would have die. Soldiers would have die! In a war!
>>1043794
>>1043866
You see? You see how they say all that shit seriously?
>>1038320
>It was just a testing of the waters for the post 19th century anal ravaging we were planning ;)
Was the sack (and continued holding ) of Constantinople and the siege of Vienna also testing the waters?
Wirathu is completely right. Islam has exterminated Buddhist and other religions in large parts of the world.
Only genocide can protect against Islam.
>>1037764
>Bosniaks had it coming because never trust your life to a weed smoking Dutch.
You may be more right than you think. The other Bosnian town called Zepa was in the same situation but peacekeepers there were Ukrainians who actually did their job.
Any time Palestinians kill Israelis, fuck military rule and fuck the extremist Jewish trash
Holocaust
Jewish population was incredibly Bolshevik
>>1034244
>the slaves were the same as the slave traders because they shared similar physical traits
Stellar reasoning.
>>1044355
which big parts of you are referring to?
>>1045563
Really now, actually look at the Jewish community's role in the German Revolution in 1918-19, obviously genocide is proper, but you can see where it wasn't just the "well let's up and kill all the Jews" like many make it out to be.
>>1045613
*genocide isn't proper
A small mistake
>>1036649
It's true, only a commie would call a war crime a war crime.
>>1035048
Bla bla fucking bla you imperialist cum bucket
>>1045599
What are now Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afganistan come to mind. That's what, 300 million people, just there?
>>1046268
Why do people keep using that incident in your webm as "evidence" that Chinese people are subhuman? A lot of Chinese were outraged by the video as well.
>>1043917
No, not soldiers, our citizens.
In a war you're not supposed to get your own people killed, you kill the other guy's people. The Americans were more than willing to save 1 American life by killing a hundred Japs, and the suicidal Japs were more than committed enough to humor the Americans in that regard.
>>1044355
> Islam has exterminated Buddhist and other religions in large parts of the world.
I don't see what are you trying to say. Hinduism "exterminated" Buddhism in India in the middle ages, there are no Buddhists in there now. Christianity "exterminated' European paganism and indigenous religions all around the world. Hell, Buddhism itself "exterminated" Tengrinism in Mongolia and native religions in Tibet. This is how religions work.
>>1046334
The Japanese weren't targeting American civilians. So the US traded the lives of millions of non-combatants to prevent the deaths of soldiers.
>>1046349
>the Japanese weren't targeting American civilians
No I suppose they were too busy murdering Chinese and Indonesian civies for that.
>>1046643
Nice deflection.
>>1046652
Japan dindu nuffin huh?
>>1038150
Yes
Western Europe was in no way capable of launching anything like the crusades before they did
The jews did it.
>>1035171
The British literally forbade them from fishing and intentionally stopped foreign aid
The fucking turkroaches of all people were kinder than the British government and snuck boatloads of food past them
>>1046657
Nice strawman.
>>1034179
>>1036293
TURKISTAN STRONK
DUMBD ARMENIASHITS
TURKEY DINDU NUFFIN
>>1046348
Forced conversions. BUddhism did not do those things. There is still Tengrism in Mongolia and Buddhism in India.
If people are allowed to practise whatever they want and decide to change religion, there is no issue.
But that is not the case under Islam. Islam violently kills the minority religions.
>>1046349
They tried to fuck up San Diego with biological warfare. God knows the japs didn't consider civilians off limits in any other war against any other country.
Any atrocity is okay as long as I'm not the one suffering... Is the prevailing line of thought for this thread right?
>>1043818
As long as they quit, I'm fine if its 1,000,000:1
>>1047927
>come to thread about atrocity justification
>get triggered when someone tries to justify atrocities
>>1049346
Yes.
>>1047927
grow a thicker skin mr.triggered
>>1045897
What are now west Europe , both north and south america that comes to mind
>Christians dindu nuffin, it was da muzzies
And for the Buddhist they are scum on earth, Hindu dindus made a good riddance of them from south asia
>>1047927
You are literally the only person who got triggered ITT
>>1049030
There are Christians in Saudi Arabia and Hindus and Buddhists in Bangladesh
>>1049890
You cannot publicly practice anything other than Islam in Saudi. You also cannot be a non-muslim and a citizen ever
>>1049920
Yeah Saudi Arabia is the biggest shithole in the world and I honestly don't care about any Massacre that goes on there,
But almost everywhere else Muslims are okay with non muslims
>>1049926
>But almost everywhere else Muslims are okay with non muslims
>>1049929
Isis isn't an actual state,
They are also a minority and everyone hates them in the little territory they have
>>1049932
The point is it's hard to see how being a very devout Muslim can coexist with peacefully living with non-Muslims in your state
>>1049936
Most of the very devout religious Muslims keep to themselves, they don't hurt anybody and you can go and talk to them as long as your respectful
>>1036308
Leopold in fact called in help of the British Medical society to combat the sleeping illness, proving that genocide was never his intention.
Sleeping illness is also the reason of demographic decline. The chopping off hands was a politcy mistake were black henchman were given guns and told to get rubber.
Shitty colony though, but easy to whitewash cause there's hardly any source material from the era. Allegedly Leo burned evidence. I'm not sure that's true but it might.
>>1035166
They were simple wars of religious inspired conquest.
And there's nothing wrong with that. The question whether the crusades were defensive or not is irrelevant. Just modern pretend historians projecting their morals on the middle ages without a sense of historical context.
>>1049890
>Buddhists in Bangladesh
Used to be predominantly Buddhist. NOw 0.7% after a lot of persecution by muslims. Also, apostacy by Muslim means often death, while Buddhist are being converted, and might face another bout of violence soon.
You can't preach Christianity in Saudi-Arabia.
>>1049570
What of it? I was not defending Christianity.
>>1049929
It goes in cycles of conquest and consolidation.
>>1049346
It's the prevailing thought through human history.
>>1050331
>plenty of people
>prevailing
The two do not contradict each other.
>>1050339
fair enough. But that is kind of the theme.
Jacobins were right to take out the counterrevolutionaries. The revolution needed to be protedted.
>>1035194
>host most wanted terrorist in the world
>not a threat
>>1036682
kys
>>1036439
Israel isn't afraid of Hamas really. It's basically just a nuisance.
>>1051627
This.
>literal foreign conspiracy to enslave your country
>muh Vendee dindunuffin
>>1050064
>Shitty colony though
>first African colony of that era to turn a profit (I do not have a decent source, feel free to look into it)
>>1034145
I feel bad for the quiet Christians that were killed by Timur in Northern Iraq. Can you imagine your villages being overrun and then seeing your family members getting beheaded for believing in Christ?
>>1051723
Pakistan?
Old man barely capable of walking is a threat?
Are there any proofs bin Laden was behind 9-11? If there are, why was he murdered, and not put on trial? People responsible fer genocide get a trial, he did not ?
>>1054053
>guy kills 3,000 of your civilians
>gimme that faggot
>they say no
>bomb the shit out of them
The only thing we did wrong was trying to establish an independent government with the Bonn Conference instead of creating an occupation authority, and invading Iraq before Afghanistan was airtight.
>>1054064
>>they say no
They did not say no. They asked for proof and US attacked.
Still, by the time Afganistan was destroyed, bin Laden was gone. Pakistan was not attaked. Saudi-Arabia where the alleged 9-11 attackers where from and where their financing came from was not attaked.
When he was captures, bin Laden was not given a trial, as a civilized countries given to say, war criminals and genociders.
His wife, an unarmed woman was also murdered. She had nothing to do with any of that.
>>1052885
Got to break few eggs to make an omelet.
The Rape of Belgium
I gotta say with the immense pressure placed on the Germans to steamroll France before they got gang banged by the Russians it was little wonder they'd trample Belgium to see it through. At least they asked nicely to just pass through before the king of Belgium told his people to resist... against a force of 700,000 well equipped men.
If you're familiar with the Schliefen Plan and it's root theory's implications, it's hard to blame any nation in a similar pickle for pulling drastic measures to get out. They even asked France if they were going to honor their alliance with Russia after the latter started mobilizing to which the French responded "we will act in our best interests" or something vague like that. Germany was sitting between acting now and having a chance at survival or roll the dice for a chance to get dicked by two superpowers at once.
They chose the first option and the only road was through the Low Countries.
>>1039820
>average Erdogan voter.jpg
>>1034145
The belgian congo allowed testing of future human resources technique so viloence would'nt be needed in the modern workplace.
Also the ivory assisted in the expansion of the use of the piano
>>1036916
Nice list of buzzwords senpai
All of them: warding off overpopulation.
>>1034260
maybe if you acted as an actual ally instead of attacking them they would have different memories of your shitty commie union
>implying there was anything wrong with genociding bolsheivks
>>1035048
Going after Osama was justified, trying to nation build and turn Afghanistan into a mini-America wasn't though.
>>1036448
Or maybe they should stop continuously stealing their fucking land with no legal justification?
>>1036649
I'd say the second one was a bit iffy, it came so quickly after the first that you could question whether the Japanese had had time to react yet and at the same time the US had very strong reasons to want to test the second bomb because it was a very different design to the first. I'd think getting one nuke dropped on you would be bad enough did they really need the second?
>>1045586
>the slave owners were the same as people living hundreds of years later who had nothing to do with them because they shared similar physical traits
Stellar reasoning
>>1054053
>Osama
>genocide
What?
>>1056615
>creating a strawman to argue against because you don't have a leg to stand on
Pathetic.
>>1056666
I just saw the similarity and had to point it out, don't know what it is you think I'm arguing for/against.
Was the 1938 flooding of the Yellow River the lest justifiable atrocity in history?
>kill 800,000 of your own people
>miss the enemy army completely
>cause your countrymen to embrace communism
Good fucking job.
>>1056889
>cause your countrymen to embrace communism
So it was justifiable.
>>1056889
>chinaman fucks up
>hundreds of thousands die
There seems to be a theme here.
>>1056908
Not from the perspective of the people who decided to carry it out.
>>1034145
>any atrocity ever
I could so I did.
>>1036293
> leads offensive into Caucasus mountains without winter gear or training
>blames Armenians for his fucking failure
>>1056638
People who have committed genocide are afforded a trial. Obama bin Laden was not.
Why not? He was illegally murdered.
>>1050064
>Sleeping illness is also the reason of demographic decline. The chopping off hands was a politcy mistake were black henchman were given guns and told to get rubber.
Have you read the tales of how fucked up the European mercenaries and force leaders were?
GTA tiers level of cartoonist violent
>>1057007
/thread
Go home everyone
>>1059586
No.
Trail of Tears
All that iron and fertile as ever living fuck farmland
Stalin had the right idea. Hitler needed to be stopped and the revolution protected. Russia went into the war as a broken agrarian country and came out a superpower. Sure, a few purges caught some innocents, but you know, got to kill them burgie counterrevolutionaries.
>>1046296
How were they outraged, did they take action?
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>>1039670
literal edgy teenagers, just fucking stop posting you lowlife scum
>>1036578
this is the only legitimate point made itt. I have no sources on this, but apparently rumors were going around in japan just a few days before the bombings that they were going to forfeit. those rumors were picked up by british agents, who then in return probably (this is the decisive point) informed US officials. since there is no proof it's obviously mere speculation, but I do think the japanese were about to forfeit.
why did the Americans bomb anyway, assuming the theory is correct? it was probably the only time they'd be using a nuclear bomb without the fear of an enemy striking back, so it was the perfect display of monumental power that would solidify america as the superpower of the 20th century.
there were japanese plans on how the war should be continued and they essentially were the same as the germans' in ww2: volkssturm, fight to the last man. in any case this war was bound to be really bloody until the very end.
>>1043482
>The Germans never even came close to matching the zeal and viciousness of the Imperial Japanese Army while defending their fatherland. The Japanese had all sorts of happy euphemisms for suicide attacks that they developed by the end of the war, like Gyokusai, Kamikaze, Kaiten, tokko, etc. They were very committed to the idea and demonstrated that commitment repeatedly.
this is true, nips were both incredibly brave and batshit insane depending on how you view it.
>>1056557
They need a third
>>1062244
further explanation, not written by me but rather some redditor:
In the months leading up to the bombing of Hiroshima on August 6, Japanese leadership had become increasingly divided, though few would publicly speak about their misgivings. In May, Japan's supreme council, known as the Big Six, voted 5-1 in favor of "the extinction of Japan to any taint of compromise." (Frank's Downfall: The end of the Imperial Japanese Empire, 94). After the loss of Okinawa, Emperor Hirohito's faith had been shaken. He assembled his council and declared, "I desire that concrete plans to end the war, unhampered by existing policy, be speedily studied and that efforts made to implement them." However, though this illustrated a movement towards the acceptance of a surrender, the council failed to reach any agreement. (Asada's Culture Shock and Japanese-American Relations, 192-193) In July, the Prime Minister rejected the Potsdam Declaration, which concluded with the line, "We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction."
>>1062280
cont:
Hasegawa notes that the use of the bomb was the best possible outcome to Truman, solving the problem of unconditional surrender, invasion, and Soviet interference. For the Japanese, news of the bomb led to complete disarray. Asada states that many in the army and Japan's R&D board denied that an atomic bomb had been used, or even that it was possible that one could have been developed so soon. Information from Hiroshima was limited, as the infrastructure had already been significantly damaged even before the 6th. However, both Asada and Hasegawa note that by that evening, and certainly by the following day, little doubt remained. Asada argues that acceptance of American technological superiority helped the army "save face" and "smoothed their acceptance of surrender" - a minister tried to persuade the military by pleading, "if we say we lost a scientific war, the people will understand" (Asada, 197).
>>1062283
last one:
On August 9th, the USSR declared war on Japan and Soviet armor poured into Manchuria. Coupled with the use of the atomic bomb, this utterly crippled the hope of continuing the war effort. Though Japanese forces mounted a strong defense, they were quickly pushed back. Yet, the supreme council still held on to hope that it could negotiate with the Soviets, refusing to officially declare war. Though the Prime Minister and other civilian leaders now openly declared that Japan should surrender, military leaders wished to continue the fight. Even after the bombing of Nagasaki on August 9th, the supreme council still tried to push for maintaining the position of Emperor, and there was a 3-3 split for three other conditions: war criminal trials would be conducted by the Japanese, self-disarmament, and that occupation (particularly of Tokyo) should be avoided or limited wherever possible. (Hasegawa 204, Frank 291). The short span of time between bombings as well as Allied threats were made to give the impression that the US already had a stockpile of the weapons when in actuality it only had the two. A third would have come "sometime after August 19, and then the fourth bomb in the beginning of September," (Hasegawa 298). It was only until the morning of the 10th that the Foreign Ministry sent telegrams saying it would accept the Potsdam Declaration and unconditional surrender after Hirohito himself demanded the war's end. Even then, there was an attempted coup by a segment of the military leadership, which invaded the imperial palace and nearly killed the Prime Minister, as well as other senior officials. On August 15, the emperor officially announced the surrender worldwide. Many pockets of Japanese soldiers still continued to fight, and many military officers chose suicide over surrender. By 1947, a new constitution was written, and while the emperor was maintained as ceremonial figurehead, the Empire of Japan was formally dissolved.
>>1046296
>Easy to know what to feel when they tell you what to feel
There are many more, I remember one about some guy running into an internet cafe land it's followed by some guys staying him. They leave him almost dead, and then the owner slor some similar figure tries to take the bleeding man out of the bussines, the body language mas more "stop bleeding on my carpet" and less "we need to go to a hospital"
>>1063158
*stabbing
>>1034145
The Fertile Crescent was never dense in woodland you philistine
Well, I don't like the Nama or the Herero. I don't care about the Germans annihilating them...
>>1063297
Yes it was. Hence fertile.
t. Jared Diamond
https://mustfollow.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/what-happened-to-the-fertile-in-fertile-crescent/
>>1037632
World hunger is not a problem you can fix by throwing more money at it. People die either of malnutrition, because their government is incompetent, does not care about them, or is waging war against ten warlords at the same time.
>>1061862
It's not like the poor havepolitical rights.
Anyone else think that the international definition of genocide is bullshit?
Legit genocide is...
>holocaust=genocide
>rawanda=genocide
Failing to feed a rebel region is bad but it's not really what people think of when they think "genocide"
Expelling people from a region isn't genocide.
Real genocide is active, organized, murder of another ethnic group.
>>1046349
It is better that enemy non combatants die than ones own combatants. This is Waging War 101. Fuck the Nips, they brought it upon themselves.
Start shit get hit.
>>1034172
But why does acting different from ourselves warrant a death sentence?
>>1065117
>Failing to feed a rebel region is bad but it's not really what people think of when they think "genocide"
I'm Irish and I don't think the Famine was genocide per se, just incredibly scummy by the Brits
>>1065214
I'd say importing away food from a starving country while preventing other powers from donating food counts as genocide.
>>1065408
>the irish
>not just the poor irish
the bourgeois and rich irish who all saw themselves as west brits got on pretty OK.
just like the enclosures and the clearances, it was never a war against the irish. it was a war against the poor. those irish who drank the kool aid or who were wealthy enough just assimilated into british culture.
why do you think there are so many british notables with irish surnames, or who were born in ireland.
it just suits irish nationalism to paint it as an ethnic war when it was really a class war. same as everywhere - poor folk rebelling against poshos and embracing their regional identities while the poshos embrace the metropolitan identity.
>>1065440
>just like the enclosures and the clearances, it was never a war against the irish. it was a war against the poor. those irish who drank the kool aid or who were wealthy enough just assimilated into british culture.
Of course class issues played a part. But I'd say the elites were collaborators and traitors. Or just Brits.
The Irish did suffer, and I can't see why murder by starvation is less of a genocide than by bullets.
Allowing famines to be genocides really dilutes the meaning of the word and makes it pretty useless.
>>1066853
No it doesn't. Preventing people from eating is murder, Also nice strawman. It's not the famine. If I burn someone's fields to starve them, or prevent food shipments to starve them it is genocide.
What, you trying to ustify Israel?
>>1055016
They had it coming.
>>1070357
>those fucking hands
took me a few seconds to get it. well meme'd anon
>>1065117
this to be honest, people throw out the word "genocide" too easily.
>>1034234
If only it had stayed that way. Fuck Constantine.
>>1034292
Actualy a lot of historians believe that the Aztecs exaggerated the number of sacrifices they preformed to impress the Spaniards rather than the other way around.
>>1043042
More likely to be killed by a lightning strike.
>>1039886
A few more weeks of conventional bombing would have killed more than two nukes.
The firebombing of cities was the real war crime here.
As for the nukes, they also served to intimidate Stalin into not starting WWIII immediately after WWII. was over.
>>1034145
I need some mental gymnastics to justify the Church's permission of slavery so I can use it in my arguments.
Can someone help me?
>>1049890
Both of which are persecuted minorities who live in fear.
The Armenians - who /tottaly/ didn't get gernocided by the Turks - were Christians living in a Muslim country.
Multiculturalism only really works in places like the roman empire where the government forces all the different groups to get along.
>>1034179
This
The Ottoman Empire was justified in quelling dissent, and subsequent history has shown that all the regions under Ottoman control have gone to shit without the firm hand of Istanbul.
>>1070973
Slaves / bondsmen exist in the Bible, look it up.
>>1073724
This
