Let's start a thread about badass saints and stupid saints.
This badass Saint with an axe is Saint Boniface. He chopped down Donar's Oak as a fuck you to the Norse God's. But for some reason, despite being pictured with an axe he's not the Patron Saint of Lumberjacks. That's some asshole named Saint Gummarus who was some noble in a horrible marriage who left his cunt wife and lived as a hermit.
>>1017638
Here's a picture of Gummarus, notice he's not holding an axe
>>1017638
How about Martin of Tours who called down angels hold back a crowd of rustic pagan scum so he could burn down their temple. And then they all saw the glory of God and praised him. well until like most early converts they held onto old superstitions and other idols that hadn't been destroyed by the local saint in the making. post-Constantine Christianity is full of this shit desu. christianity is of meek and mild Jesus indeed
>>1017661
A better one is Saint Guinefort. He's literally a dog that a nobleman left to look after his newborn while he hunted. When he came back the crib was flipped over and the dog was covered in blood, wagging his tale. The noble killed the dog only to pick up the crib to find his baby, unharmed, next to a dead snake. Despite the Vatican's efforts to purge this cult people still venerate Guinefort until the 1930s
So this thread is just where we talk about how people destroyed historical artifacts and destroyed temples?
Sainthood, in the early phases, was mostly earned by being a victim. All the origenal Saints got their status by being killed. It started out as a form of literal victim-worship.
>>1017684
Sure, anything Saint related that's interesting really
>>1017684
>trees
>historical artifacts
bagans folks...
>>1017699
>use the wood to make a church
Bagans cucked again
What about the saints that cut down trees but got killed for it? Are they dumb?
>>1017711
>bagans
not even once
>>1017713
They wanted to get killed. that is a martyr's death, the best honor you could have. You'd have the promise of being immortalized in this world and the next
>>1017719
Well this raises several questions
>>1017723
Allah Akbar!
>>1017729
well at least they were destroying objects and not people... well some violence was probably needed to get through the angry mob in the first place...
>>1017718
Look at how well bagans treat other cultures statues and temples
>>1017729
>being put to death for spreading the Word of God
>killing yourself blowing up women and children
Totally the same thing! Well meme'd!
>>1017741
*vomits*
>>1017741
1, the sack of Rome is oveblown, the Pagan king ordered his troops to restrain themselves from it.
2, at the time the goths had already converted to Arianism.
>>1017743
>spreading the Word of God
>destroying property of rival cults
>>1017748
>the Pagan king
>goths had already converted
>>1017748
but Arianism is heresy!
>>1017748
>implying bagans were well disciplined when it came to looting.
>implying Arianism isn't heretical
>>1017753
A tree isn't property it's a fucking plant in a forest
>>1017725
Its just one of those examples of why tradition can be a bad thing. This was back in the times where people believed in there being lands of dog headed people. Man from those lands does good things, well obviously he must have a dog head.
>>1017770
So you wouldn't mind if I went into your yard and chopped down a tree?
>>1017786
>implying bagans had property rights
>1517
>still revering saints
You're almost as bad as the bagans.
>>1017788
>implying it wasn't the entire community's property
>>1017775
But what's wrong with his legs?
>>1017793
Better with a half bagan catholic than a full Jewish Protestant.
>>1017699
>>1017770
OP mentions here that his "Saint" hero did destroy temples.
>>1017661
He thinks this ISIS tier destruction of artifacts is "bad-ass".
>>1017797
Then the community should've stopped him instead of rubbing shit on each other and calling it a ceremony
>>1017802
>ISIS tier
They chopped down TREES not heads m8.
>>1017806
It really seems like Christianity on 4chan has gotten to the point where the only value they hold is hating other religions. It's basically a hate-club.
OP is seething with ressentment.
>>1017806
What exactly is your problem? do you not realize how disrespectful this is? Of course killing him doesn't exactly fit the crime but he's still an asshole
>>1017802
Except it wasn't a temple it was a literal tree. He literally chopped down a tree.
>>1017823
>Except it wasn't a temple it was a literal doll. He literally burned down a doll
>>1017828
And nothing of value was lost.
>>1017823
Why does it matter if it was a tree? He chopped it down specifically because it was worshiped and therefore was important to the locals
>>1017814
I already gave you the link, the one OP himself mentions in his early posts about the destruction of temples.
And there was also a long history of violence in the name of conversation. There are some reports of Pagans being tortured to the point of death, with the hopes of them converting before they die. The justification being it's better for them to suffer now and convert than go to hell after they die.
This is the logical conclusion for a religion that believes there is no salvation outside it's own church. Of course the story has been updated now and the Pope says atheists and pagans now enter heaven.
>>1017798
Might have been a stylist choice or perhaps it was trying to indicate damage done to his legs from all the people he would ferry across rivers.
Also he is the patron saint of Bachelors
>>1017834
I love how OP starts the thread talking about how "cool" his vandal is for destroying something sacred to locals.
Than when he gets compared to ISIS he meekly backs out and says it wasn't really a big deal after all.
Bagans BTFO :DDD
>>1017838
Actually it's not logical at all because Jesus taught us to treat other people how we would like to be treated and the pope is just a guy.
>>1017854
>Jesus taught us to treat other people how we would like to be treated
Imma gonna need dat verse senpai
>Jealous semetic gods being being jealous
What else is new?
>>1017844
Chopping down trees IS cool tho.
>>1017852
>Implying
>>1017858
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
- Matthew 7:12
>>1017799
>implying
>>1017870
>Typical Plebesant Chick tract
>>1017881
>postbellum American Christianity
>actual Protestantism
Pick one.
>>1017838
like removing people's skin with oyster shells, and dragging their limbs through the streets.
>>1017838
Huh you know I actually never heard that line of reasoning about why they tortured pagans but in a weird way that makes sense. Torture them now so they'll concert and not spend eternity tortured in Hell.
>>1017909
Plus it makes a great example.
>If you don't want to be tortured to death for your own good, convert before we pay you a visit
>>1017903
>no true scotsmanning an umbrella term for a wide set of different religious beliefs and practices
>>1017925
>wide set of different religious belief and practices
Really, now, the exclusive emphasis on Luther's theological works should've keyed you in on the very specific brand of Protestantism I was referring to.
>>1017947
it did but that didn't stop you saying """"""actual"""""" Protestantism from bothering me. btw I'm not the anon who was conflating Protestantism with Chick tracts
>>1017962
You're right - careless shortcut on my part.
>>1017741
quit touchin my bugg homo :DDDDD
St. Anitpas was actually burned alive in bronze boar at Pergamum
>>1018015
This image produces the appearance that he is holding up of the hands like he has a lack of caring
saints were just made to replace Polytheistic Gods because back in the day no one was really big on this christianity bullshit
>>1018022
Seems to be a usual thing among Saints.
>>1018035
>tfw one God was too boring for normies so we had to spice it up
>>1018035
That was the later development.
The origenal idea was this. If you were killed by the authorities than you died the same death as Jesus. The religion started out as revering martyrdom, it was not a later development in response to persicuction but a high value since day one.
At the time it was understood that if you died you still don't go to heaven till Jesus returns. However Jesus, the martyr did god to heaven (remember during early Christianity Jesus was not a God but a prophet). So the idea is other martyrs also got to skip the waiting period and would arrive in heaven after their death.
This started the idea that you could pray to a martyr and they would be able to talk to God and put you on good terms. This created the concept of a Saint.
Only later after Christianity went mainstream did the concept of Saints start to broaden and fufill the role of demi-Gods, taking on the same identities as Pagan Gods. For example the saint of travel is very similar in presentation Hermes, the Greek God of travel. In some areas it was more explicit.
>>1017843
For instance, Saint Christopher is Anubis, he even has the dog-head.
Nowadyas a Saint is just a way of establishing good public relations by taking celebrities like Thersa and giving them a nice title.
>>1018062
There are some British saints with the same names and roles as Celtic deities. It's a little funny.
>>1017652
Pfft more like saint cuckmarus
t. bonnie b. 'leave the tree to me master race' face
>>1018062
>For instance, Saint Christopher is Anubis, he even has the dog-head.
Nah, it had nothing to do with Anubis. They just mistakenly translated " Canaanite" into "canine" in Greek, and people were like "hey, we heard rumors of cinocephals in certain parts of the world, so it must show God's grace towards all humans or something" so they ran with the werewolf thing.
Just like Moses got horns instead of halo.
>>1017903
>Church of Sweden tearing down crosses for Muslims and has women priestesses
>Church of England has gay priests and soon to be gay marriage and priestesses
>Church of Norway has tranny priestesses
Francis could literally do anything and he would still be less cucked than you Protties
>>1017844
The pagans actually let him chop it down because it was their belief that once he did, Thor would kill him in that instant in revenge.
>>1018601
>tfw you come back to Catholicism just as Protestantism finally reveals itself as an empty doctrine that follow primarily for social success and feels
>>1018658
We're talking about Boniface
>>1018643
Sounds like a pro-Christian propaganda interpretation.
There was a lot of this type of revionism in confrontation of Pagans in order to make it look self-defeating. For instance they tried retelling Ragnarok to make it sound like it actually confirmed Revelations.
A big part of theological warfare is to try to say that the other guy's God suck. Augestine did the same thing to try to make Greek Paganism look bad, saying that the Greek Gods do not defend cities from invaders. Buddihists also made a ton of stories that made the Hindu theology look self-defeating.
Secular people also did the same thing. When an atheist called Napoleon defeated the armies "backed by God" their propaganda used that to point out the Christian God had failed.
Funny enough if you desecrate a holy item today and no God comes down with vengeance no one thinks anything of it.
>>1018601
>Church of England
>Protestant
It's bastardised catholicism
>>1017844
The problem with what ISIS does is not that they're destroying sacred stuff but that they're destroying man-made, historical artefacts.
A tree is not that.
>Bolsheviks destroy churches
>WAAAAH! That's hurt my fewings! What a dirty godless commies!
>>1018844
The point is that it's a lose of a culture and history, it's worst than ISIS because it is our own culture that was destroyed. And many man-made things WERE destroyed by Christian vandals. People that tried to preserve the culture were often killed or tortured.
>>1018881
I'm not saying the contrary, but this one case is nothing to shitpost about. Idiots worship tree, christian dude cuts it off, that's it.
Lots of cultures were destroyed and lost over time by those who dominated and didn't want it to stay, too. Human history is a battle for territory, be it material or cultural.
>>1018922
Idiot Christians worship a guilty criminal. We learn magic isn't real, and the that's it
Religion in general is a dying institution. The phase we are in now is to study what was useful about it and work from there. Frankly, nature worship makes a lot more sense than some of the Christian stuff. Finding ways to celebrate and affirm nature is good for a culture.
This, salvaging of the usful parts of religion, means you need to look at as much as possible: finding what worked and what didn't. For instance Christianity's organized structure was better than the Pagans The general interest in Paganism comes from it offering things that Christianity fails at, for instance a sense of racial unity, Gods that project strength.
>>1017638
This guy was literally the Carl the Cuck of his time. Christianity was a drastic move away from the traditional ways of the European people, just like the political correctness religion is a now a drastic move away from traditionalism in Europe.
The whole love thy neighbor thing, the whole jews literally being behind it, it's just an old version of globalism. It softened up Europe and forced us to lose our identity. Stop falling for their tricks you ultimate cucks.
>>1019001
We were discussing the validity of a Christian cutting down a tree that was being worshipped, not the validity of Christianity...
>>1019016
Do you honestly think a guy destroying an item of cultural importance is a something admirable? Much less a part of your own ancestor's culture?
>>1018922
So if someone decided to destroy these you wpuld approve of it?
>idiots worship ancestors, x destroed their graves. What's the big deal?
>>1019019
Fuck the tree
Bagans need to bend the knee and stop sacrificing goats and shit for good weather, kek
>>1019045
I know. Praying to the Saint Medard for good weather and sacrificing to the tithe is so much better.
Good job on not being able to defend any point of discussion.
>>1019156
>Destroying temples, etc. is much worse.
Why?
And that hapened as well, just look at uppsala temple.
Step aside, absolute mad(wo)man coming through!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_the_Astonishing
>Thomas of Cantimpré, then a canon regular who was a professor of theology, wrote a report eight years after her death, based on accounts of those who knew her. Cardinal Jacques de Vitry, who met with her, said that she would throw herself into burning furnaces and there suffered great tortures for extended times, uttering frightful cries, yet coming forth with no sign of burns upon her. In winter she would plunge into the frozen Meuse River for hours and even days and weeks at a time, all the while praying to God and imploring God's mercy. She sometimes allowed herself to be carried by the currents downriver to a mill where the wheel "whirled her round in a manner frightful to behold," yet she never suffered any dislocations or broken bones. She was chased by dogs which bit and tore her flesh. She would run from them into thickets of thorns, and, though covered in blood, she would return with no wound or scar.
>Bible says all believers/Christians are 'saints' and 'elect'
>Catholics believe the term is for exclusive people only
Papists gonna pap.
>>1019190
It's much worse because it's erasing history that was being preserved.
I also didn't say Christians didn't do such things, learn to read.
>>1018654
>tfw you renounce the schismatic teachings of the Pope and embrace the one true unadulterated Church
>>1019234
No, that's false. It's just there are saints (anyone in heaven), and there are " The Saints " (confirmed to be in heaven by the church.
>>1019266
Anyone who believes in Yeshua Messiach is confirmed to go to heaven.
All (genuine) Christians are saints. It's not some exclusive title for a club.
>>1017786
Suit yourself.
>>1019281
What if they are warriors and go to Vallhall?
>>1019287
If it was the only remaining thing of a dear grandparent?
>>1019234
>Bible contradicts herself
Breaking news
when will DEUS VULT XD memelords leave this board
>>1019394
No it doesn't.
>>1019222
That's pretty fucking metal. Also I love how the church made her sound like a magician. Saint Christinia the Astonishig!
>>1017661
>Martin of Tours
My boy. You should read Gregory of Tours book on the history of the Franks, he comes up a lot.
All this about badass saints and no
...
MOSES THE BLACK?
>>1021014
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/stmoses.html
>>1021026
Yep
Typical black
St Vladimir of Kiev
10th & 11th Centuries AD
Which saint had hundreds of concubines, multiple wives from around the world, so many children that everyone lost count, and an army of pagans? St Vladimir of Kiev did! Vladimir was the grand prince of Kiev, who converted to Christianity in 988, but before his conversion he was a pretty mean (not to mention profligate) guy. From the start of his reign in 980, he conquered lands, slaughtered people, had children and generally partied hard. On a few occasions he, being a good Pagan, took part in human sacrifices:
“In 983, after another of his military successes, Prince Vladimir and his army thought it necessary to sacrifice human lives to the gods. A lot was cast and it fell on a youth, Ioann by name, the son of a Christian, Fyodor. His father stood firmly against his son being sacrificed to the idols. More than that, he tried to show the pagans the futility of their faith: ‘Your gods are just plain wood: it is here now but it may rot into oblivion tomorrow; your gods neither eat, nor drink, nor talk and are made by human hand from wood; whereas there is only one God — He is worshiped by Greeks and He created heaven and earth; and your gods? They have created nothing, for they have been created themselves; never will I give my son to the devils!’”
Interestingly, it was this speech which caused Vladimir to ponder over the next few years as to whether he ought to convert to Christianity, which he ultimately did. He ruled so kindly after his conversion that he became known as Vladimir the Great – a far cry from his previous life.
http://listverse.com/2011/01/30/top-10-truly-badass-saints/
I don't know more than that about Vladimir.. if there is anything more to know about the fellow, please do share.
>>1022066
But did he sacrifice the boy?
>>1017838
>Pope says atheists and pagans now enter heaven.
He did not you fedora fuck
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
>>1019234
Google communion of the saints
>not St. Augustine
>they didn't have crush on qt young Augustine while reading Confessions
>they don't think he is the most intellectual, yet the most pious
>>1017638
Jeanne D'Arc is obviously a badass saint since she told the English to fuck off and died for France. Sad that they never talked about her when I was in Catholic school. They only mentioned St Christopher and St Bernard.
All the saints are badass, OP, that's why they're saints.
Pic is p. cool.
>>1021014
Badass
>>1017638
Behold, Saint Dragonis Breesius, patron saint of football.
He is most renowned as the slayer of the Prince of Hell Peitonus Manningsen, a horrid demon that feasts upon the souls of aspiring believers.
>>1022444
shes also mai waiffu
>>1018881
>The point is that it's a lose of a culture and history
A tree is neither.
>>1017862
>worshipping nature
>not worshipping the Creator of nature
wew lad
Also
>STILL sacrificing animals after the Lord' sacrifice
yikes
>>1019234
>Papists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes#1st_century
>>1022741
it obviously was if they were worshiping it. does religion not count as culture?
>>1018066
Lay down some examples brother
>>1022741
Semi-related, in my town square, we have a large tree where we used to hang outlaws. It holds cultural significance because of that, and you better believe I'd be pissed as shit if someone cut it down because they didn't like the history associated with it.
Christianity for the most part tends to preserve objects of other faiths, removing their stigma by separating the foul from the divine. I would've hoped the tree worshiped by the pagans would've been handled the same way (Renvisionsed as a pathway to lead people to the true lord), but in the event that it wasn't possible, cutting it down to convert the people was the only option left.
Compare that to ISIS, who shatters Egyptian artifacts which are no threat to the faith of Islam anymore and there's a big difference.
>>1023041
I'd cut the tree down just to piss you off tbqh
>>1017725
Canaan sounds like Canine
Idiots thought Canaanites were dogheaded.
>>1018081
B...but muh repurposed pagan deities!
>>1018815
And that all sounds like anti-Christian propoganda.
>>1018881
It's a fucking tree, not a temple painstakingly carved miles deep into the side of a plateau that dates back to 2,300 BC with 70 ft statues flanking the entrance. There's nothing special about a tree.
