why wasn't Spain involved in WWII?
Neither side saw them as an enemy.
>>1010594
Civil war followed by being too beaten up to enter
Franco had to consolidate his power after the Civil War. No way was going to war for a second time, against France a good thing for Franco, especially when a large portion of your population was sympathetic to the French and still antagonistic to your rule. If the Spanish had gone to war and pull troops out of Spain to fight in the rest of Europe, those Republican and Anarchist elements still licking their wounds would no doubt return when you are weak domestically.
Makes me disappointed Mussolini didn't do the same.
>>1010594
Cause Franco wasn't retarded.
1. the allies would have loved to have all that Spanish coast to invade Europe.
2. Spain had JUST ended their brutal civil war, which was basically WW2 the prequel.
3. although the Spanish Blue Division was elite, committed and battle hardened, Spain might have just ended up being another Italian weak link to the axis.
4. They wouldn't have gained much. Hitler was not playing ball with any kind of Spanish demands.
5. finally, people knew that Germany was finished even before it was.
>>1010619
IF Mussolini had continued his path of scoffing at the racialist and globalist policies of Hitler, then Hitler would have received no support.
Italy's navy was used as deterrence to the Royal Navy from conducting too much activity in the Mediterranean, for a while at least. The "Italy sucks lol" meme is tired.
>>1010594
They had more to gain by not entering than entering and the powers had more to benefit by Spain not entering than Spain entering.
It's not like there was an attendance requirement.
>>1010619
>Italy as a pro-Germany neutral party would have been a better asset to the Nazis.
Unlikely; if the British are able to ship stuff through the mediterranean, and base long ranged bombers safely on their Mediterranean island possessions, things can get pretty bad for Germany.
>>1010631
>tfw the Italian-Austrian war never happened
Mussolini could've nipped Hitler right in the butt and made Italy look stronk.
>>1010631
The allies practically drove Italy into an alliance with Germany by rebuffing every overture by Italy to join up with them.
>>1010644
Well it's not like Italy did much in WWI
>>1010594
Salazar was sure the USA would get involved and urged him to stay neutral.
>>1010649
It wasted German resources fighting wars in North Africa and the Balkans.
>>1010612
>the allies would have loved to have all that Spanish coast to invade Europe.
>campaigning in Spain
>something to look forward to
Spain offered the same problems as Italy, a ton of valleys and mountain ranges that would have inevitably been turned into fortified lines after fortified lines punctuated by the Pyrenees which would have been turned into a fortress. It's not that it couldn't have been done it's just that it would have been a shit show that everyone involved would have hated.
>>1010653
Germany had to subdue the Balkans anyway, and North Africa held up far more British resources than German resources.
>>1010644
>"Don't attack Ethiopia"- League of Nations
>attacks Ethiopia
Gee I wonder why they didn't want to ally with him. It's not even a case of "but I want my colonies too!". Italy didn't need to ally with anyone. Mussolini got greedy and he saw big dollar signs and bet on the wrong horse. I'm saying this as someone who is quite sympathetic to Mussolini at times.
>why wasn't Spain involved in WWII?
Because there was literally nothing for them to gain by getting involved.
>>1010649
They sacrificed quite a lot in World War I. What are you on about?
>>1010665
that they accomplished little
>>1010663
Gibraltar.
>>1010672
1,000,000 died in the Italian Front. 2,000,000 were wounded. I think that's quite a lot. They tied down Austrian and German troops at a vital point of Europe. Get your shit out of here.
>>1010688
Not him but losing a lot of men doesn't necessarily mean you contributed a lot to the overall war effort, for an example see:
>China in WW2
>>1010674
>>1010701
Again, tying down one of the Great Powers and Vittorio Veneto leading to destruction of the Empire is pretty significant.
>>1010704
>tying down one of the Great Powers
Austria was a shit show. So was Italy, get over it.
>>1010688
Oh wow, it's fucking nothing.
>>1010594
Germany didn't want a second backwards, corrupt and incompetent ally. What he got, The Blue Division, was probably more trouble than it was worth, but since the germans were already hemmorahing useful materials into wasted efforts (lets round up and murder a significant portion of our population while we are fighting the world; let's use every small arm we have ever captured ever; v2 rockets) what are a few more drops?
>>1010702
How is that relevant? Spain has wanted Gibraltar since the 18th century, and if they win, Germany would almost certainly give it to them.
>>1010721
>Go jack off to the Hindenburg line or something.
You think I won't do it faggot?
>>1010721
It is of note to me, note of Italy being incompetent.
>>1010594
Same reason it wasnt involved in WW1
Spain got cucked so hard by Napoleon that it ceased to be relevant, be it even on regional stage, forever
>>1010847
Would things be different if Portugal became a part of Spain in the middle ages like it was supposed to be?
>>1010870
Well yes. Portugal would be part of Spain for one thing.
>>1010594
Spain never recovered from inflation.
>>1010713
>Blue Division
>More trouble than it was worth
Are you retarded?
>>1010594
Franco wanted a crazy amount of colonies for the intervention, and the Germans didn't want to carry Spain's weight, just it's minerals and ports of the Atlantic.
>>1010847
Maybe in projecting power relative to it's past, but the Spanish Civil War was like the War in Bosnia on steroids which much further reaching consequences.
>>1010701
>China in WW2
China contrebuted a lot to the fall of the Axis. Most of Japans army was tied there, which would in turn make it possible for the Soviet to supply their western front against Germany.
Man if only Hitler had picked a side instead of going back and forth between Japan and Chiang he may have had an ally against the Soviet.
>>1010730
greatest meme
Plan Pilgrim
British invasion of the Canary Islands in 1941 if Spain joins german side
Spanish Navy and Army wouldn't be able to resist
Franco was military governor of the islands before the war
the lost of the islands would have probably costs the lost of his own head
>>1010713
The Blue Division performed better against the ruskies than most german outfits you absolute retard
>>1010704
That's what I told myself playing defense in PE hockey back in junior high
SPOILER ALERT I was a useless player, and this was the role where I was least in the way
>>1015307
>Spain was amongst the richest european countries post WWI
nope
the end of the war brought Spain in an economical crisis that result with the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera in 1923
>>1015371
Crisis = / = poverty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_gold
>>1015371
also,
"On May 1936, shortly before the start of the Civil War, the Spanish gold reserves had been recorded as being the fourth largest in the world.[9] They had been accumulated primarily during World War I, in which Spain had remained neutral. It is known, thanks to the records and historical documentation of the Bank of Spain, that the reserves in question were, since 1931, located mainly in the central headquarters of the Bank of Spain in Madrid, though some parts were located in various provincial delegations of the Bank of Spain and other minor deposits in Paris.[10] The reserves constituted mostly of Spanish and foreign coins; the fraction of antique gold was less than 0.01% of the total reserves. The amount of gold bullion was insignificant, as the reserves included only 64 ingots.[10]
The value of the reserves was known at the time by various official publications. The New York Times reported on August 7, 1936, that the Spanish gold reserves in Madrid were worth 718 million U.S. dollars at the time.[10] Such figures corresponded to 635 tonnes of fine gold,[11][12] or 20.42 million troy ounces. According to the statistics of the Bank of Spain as published in the official Spanish government newspaper on July 1, the existent gold reserves on June 30, 1936, three weeks before the start of the conflict, reached a value of 5,240 million Spanish pesetas. Viñas calculated that the US$718 million of 1936 were equivalent, adjusted for inflation indexes, to US$9,725 million in 2005. In comparison, the Spanish gold reserves available in September of the same year were worth US$7,509 million.[13]"
>>1010594
Spain hadn't been important since Philip II died
>>1015429
>anglo historiography
>>1015458
The last spanish Habsburg king was a mute, incontinent, inbred retard. After that none of my history courses even covered them because they were so unimportant
>>1015464
you sure showed me champ
