Did Hinduism have any influence on the Abrahamic religions? I'm asking because many mythological elements from Hinduism can be found in the Abrahamic religions (such as the obbsession with the number 12).
>>1342746
Duodecimal system was invented in Sumer and most likely spread from there.
>>1342771
Could the obsession with the number 12 come from the Summerian astronomical callendar? It had 12 months.
>>1342799
>Could the obsession with the number 12 come from the Summerian astronomical callendar?
That sounds stupid
>Could their astronomical calendar come from the obsession with the number 12
That sounds less stupid
Thread about the discussion of the legend of the people's hero, his everlasting quest for peace and his will and his dream, and also the Heaven on Earth that was Jonestown
>>1342683
murdered
Was getting caught part of his plan?
So, why did he decide they should all kill themselves????
They were all living their doing his bidding, why was it necessary for them all to die?
You guys know way more than me about this. Can someone explain the controversy surrounding the lack of Hieroglyphics in the Great Pyramids of Giza? I thought it was tinfoil hat stuff till I actually searched for them. If you type in "Pyramids of Giza hieroglyphics" you get dozens of slabs of script and every damn bit of it says "lala Abydos Temple" and "western cemetary near Pyramid.." etc. The only image I can find that claims to be from the Great pyramid is pic-related. Is it from inside the pyramid? What the hell is that supposed to be? Enlighten a neophyte like me. What is wrong with Egyptology? Are those that say the Pyramids weren't tombs tinfoil hats?
Those are the legendary eggplants of Giza, they put snakes inside the giant eggplants and made them fight to see which snake was the best at killing so they knew what snake breed to pick when they were going to kill Cleopatra later on.
>>1342680
those ar elightbulbs
Even the msot retarded subhuman piece of human filth would recognize that.
Of course the human wastes known as archarologists don't recognize that because it's muh symbolism.
Yes, guess what you fucking retards, the fact that it has a meaning beyond its material purpose doesn't mean it's not a lightbulb for fuck sake.
And I'm not implying the presence of ALiens in ancient Egypt or some other x bullshit.
I'm just saying it's likely they had light bulbs for the corridors or doing "magic" tricks or whatever.
>>1342728
Yeah, it looks like that, but are these from the pyramids? I see this image but it's like they pretend all this egyptian hieroglyphic imagery is from the pyramids but absolutely none of it is. Are there hieroglyphics in the pyramids?
>accounts taken from a guy who kew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew Muhammad.
>the very earliest ones written and compiled over 200 years after even Ali was long dead
>Folkloric. Taken largely from commoner's knowledge. Commoners whose forefathers never even knew Muhammad.
>Work of Man. Doesn't even try to pass itself off as God given or even inspired.
>Contradictory and corrupt (admitted to be this even by Muslims)
>Based on the seeming moral character of enformants instead of the consistency and sense of their claims
Literally why is anyone, Muslim or otherwise, stupid enough to take the Hadiths as legitimate Historical records/Religious writings?
Many things like the Nahjul Balagha (sermons of Ali) were firsthand accounts, and many narrations come from Muhammad's family.
This is a gross oversimplification of the complexity of Hadith authenticity. While we should be very scrutinous with Hadiths, it doesn't mean much of it isn't true.
Also compilation =! Originally written. Bukhari may have compiled some hadiths but those existed before he compiled them. Though the Umayyads were self-serving and did distort much of the Sunna
MUH TRADITION MUFUGGA
MUH DIVINE GUIDANCE
>>1342568
But the earliest ones were written down around the same time it was compiled.
And while members of Muhammad's family are narrators, they are cited by a subnarrator who is cited in a chain. It's still a game of Telephone with Arab peasants no matter how much effort you use to collect them. It's folklore. And treating it as anything more than that is rediculous. Fair point on The Peak of Eloquence.
But there's no way of knowing if that was actually Ali who gave the sermons or if it was the handiwork of one of the many Ghulat sects that claimed to have some esoteric documents attributed to one of the Ahlu Bayt they worshipped.
The latter is pretty likely.
What is the history of heliocentrism in East Asia?
>>1342365
Chinese Astronomy-and ergo, East Asian- models viewed Spess as a place where the planets just floated.
Since it floated in the infinite vastness of space, the Chinese were of the opinion that nothing could be the center of anything in the universe.
>>1343491
That's more in line with modern view of the universe, right?
Although there should be a center, where the Big Bang originated.
>>1342365
A clearer picture of heiocentrism is painted in Indian history. Their early vedic texts (9th century BCE) suggests a vaguely spherical world and spherical sun. With the sun as a static center and the earth spinning around. No real mathematical work links to this.
The Greeks got to this idea around 4th-5th century BCE. They toyed with the idea and the limited math they could to calculate.
The later Indian 5th-6th century astronomy works and mathematical works provide a more clearer heliocentric system, including earth, the moon and other planets in solar system. Most notably the accuracy of the rotation of earth down to couple minutes.
Muslims world got to this conclusion around 11th century, mathematically.
And the europe got to this mathematically around 16th century.
How would history changed if Jesus instead of turning water into wine performed a miracle of turning wine into water?
That's just crazy.
>>1342307
It would be way less fun.
>>1342307
He would have been kicked out of the wedding
/his/ tell me about moments in history in which the bad guys won. Go!
>pic unrelated
Russian civil war.
>>1342297
WW2
/bread
>>1342297
Rhodesian Bush War
Why were there successful Germanic states in France, German, and Britain, but no effective expansion from the Nordics?
>Normandy
>Rus
>Britain
Dumbass
>>1342235
>Independent state
>Independent state
>Angle and Saxon colony briefly occupied by the Danes who were easily defeated by Normans
>Sicily
>Finland
>Estonia
>Latvia
(Christian) Heaven or Paranirvana. Anons?
>>1342173
Neither. Valhalla.
>>1342240
Objectively the worst afterlife destination.
>>1342244
>feast on food for for kings
>Fuck valkyries
>watch world events in reflecting pool (if you're bros with Odin/Thor you can influence)
>battle with bros in the courtyard
>wake up in feast hall and do it over if you die
>save world at the end of time (Ragnarok)
Not really seeing how this is not the best heaven
I studied International Relations and Ethics but would like to get into critical theory and political psychology. Gramsci is pretty big in IR and his perspective makes a lot of sense to me but I feel like psychology/psychoanalysis has a lot to offer to the field.
Should I start with Lacan? Laclau? Zizek? Freud? Derrida?
I'm so lost.
>>1342152
Don't start with Freud he's not relevant anymore. Honestly Fir an IR perspective I'd start with cross cultural psychology stuff, and continue into modern psychological though
>>1342152
>but would like to get into critical theory and political psychology.
>>1342152
>critical theory
wew lad
How about you start by disregarding all books on western philosophy and science from Plato on and then shoving a big handful of shit into your throat.
>critical theory
jej
Were the crusades justified?
They didn't win so there's no justification. Cause isn't the reason people go to war. It's ultimately the outcome that inspires people.
They were perversions of two religions, run by power hungry radicals in both camps.
Hell, more than two religions if you break up Christianity to East and West. You had power hungry politicians in both Christian churches. Plus you have secular power grabs like how Venice was a huge city of influence.
>>1342115
Well, it was in response to the attacks by the Seljuks of Rum and Unaffiliated Slavers.
it was initially a defensive measure. That much is true.
Then it got to just attacking any Muslim nation who was in the immediate proximity.
Hell, The Fatimids initially even offered to help the Crusaders fight back the Sunni Turks. Then the Crusaders attacked them.
Post infographics, papyrus fragments, codices, archeological finds, etc.
Pic related, from my studies today.
Very interesting.
There is this speculation about the bible that arise when I think about the evolution of travel. That is cartography. The interesting part is that Old maps depict the northen half of middle earth (mediterranean) shaped like an open snake's mouth and has a protruding split tongue (italy).
It is historically plausible and accepted that the early Christian church had an oral lore not a written one. But in order to make the Christian religion formal and legally accepted by Rome, it was commissioned to be written down by one of the most hated people in the Christian world. For that matter rumor states if you want the oldest bible. Try to find one without appendages or divisions.
I remember prior to Dubya's presidency the history of oil became a big deal within some history afficionado circles. They called themselves the Brotherhood of Death. Sort of like a Dead Poets Society... Prescott...was an honorary member due to his studies in egyptology and middle eastern religions. They believed that many societies around the world and in particular those near and in the Arab lands used petrol as a sacrificial resin that contained a host at the altar of the temples.
With that said the beings to be sacrificed would be covered in petrol and burned alive. From there they would burn the body until disintegrated and they would roll the bones and tar into a ball. The bones would be grinded. From there that resin ball would be used as a resin within the temples. It encapsulated a host.
It is said historically and politically that monotheistic faiths served a purpose. However the belief in them would always give way back to polytheism, paganism. Monotheistic faith implementation is seen as a conditioning tactic for new laws or governance. As they would always condition people to serve a similar (one) ideal. Now going back to the bible you see moses, abraham...and so forth. It is said those patriarchs lived at times of new laws...
>>1342268
Continued...
And were not necessarily, hebrew or jewish but were the forefathers or founding fathers of the custom. And each of them a leader in their own right, in a more accurate historical portrayal.
In Jesus's time we see that monotheistic belief was low. Catholics often said that Jesus came at a time of mass sacrifice. That is why God send his son to that area. It is noted that the proliferation of jewish sect means there was a religious schism as all did not find accord with a single observance. The inhabitants of the Phillistines in those days were practicing child sacrifices. It is cryptically spoken of in the gnosis. *note people had to speak cryptically so as not to offend the governing body of society. So in ue gnosis Jesus killed a kid by knocking him off the roof. Houses were not that high. In reality that translates to, Jesus thought of as a holier sacrifice, since option A hit ground. Therefore preferred for the ritual slaughter.
The great mystery is that there were a great many writers during the time of Jesus that never wrote about him. The oldest version of Gospel of Mark perhaps written from a first hand witness does not mention a virgin birth nor the resurrection. And calls Jesus son on Mary without mentioning Joseph. So one wonders if the bible was enhanced to include Zoroastrianism ideology including virgin birth, resurrection, holy ghost etc to hide something that was looked upon as shameful at that time. Talmud writings tell that Jesus was the illegitimate son of a Roman Soldier called Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera and that Jesus escaped to India when his life was threatened.
>ywn visit the library of alexandria with your handy torch, nowhere to be found in absolute complete silence, reading your papyrus scrolls.
Inb4 muh sage scrolls.
Trade transactions > meme philsophers, we could learn more from understanging their economy than anything else.
>>1342071
This, documentations are much more interesting than some lads complaining about how much stupider everyone else is. Imagine finding the architectural plans for some of the greatest structure in antiquity.
>handy torch
In a library?
>nowhere to be found in absolute complete silence
Except for the hundreds of writers and philosophers and students chatting to each other
What was slavery like in the Roman empire?
>>1342060
Bretty gud
>>1342060
Depends on where did you landed.
Not nearly as fun as the OP pic is implying.
It ranged from literally being worked to death to being a mid/high level businessman or civil servant.
Note that in the Roman Empire, slaves generally didn't increase in population, unlike in the American South.
This is because the conditions were generally too harsh for the slaves to have children of their own.
This didn't matter to the Romans, who could always catch some more. This is a major reason for the decrease in Europe's population in between the second and seventh centuries AD.
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Let's talk intellectual property, /his/.
Does intellectual property actually exist? Or is it purely an economic incentive to inventors and creatives? Should creating an idea actually give you any intrinsic control over how that idea is used?
Put another way, if you ignore the law, Is it ethically permissible to infringe on another's copyright?
Since I have to use google to find my car manual, I actually do download a car. Having a car and not using a car is not having a car. Having a car and using a car is having a car.
>Does intellectual property actually exist?
Nothing exists.
>Should creating an idea actually give you any intrinsic control over how that idea is used?
No one has any control over ideas.
>Put another way, if you ignore the law, Is it ethically permissible to infringe on another's copyright?
Everything is "permissible".
>>1341908
>does intellectual property actually exist?
No, it's a neoliberal fantasy
