What do you guys think of zeronet? i have a couple interesting links.
>>55521773
opportunistic vaporware
>>55521773
For some reason this dead altchan is one of the most popular site on the zero net http://127.0.0.1:43110/0chan.bit/
>>55521777
its released and has as many users as i2p. How is it vaporware.
Most active search engine http://127.0.0.1:43110/kaffiene.bit/
http://127.0.0.1:43110/zeroid.bit/
get your zeronet id here.
Its nice but i think it wont last.
Nice aesthetic.
>>55521929
I agree.
>>55521801
It has a good A E S T H E T I C
>>55521962
So because the main sites are "fancy" that makes the whole thing bad? how?
>>55521997
[spoiler]I actually like vaporwave[/spoiler]
It's a really clean design I appreciate. I still don't know how zeronet work completely, but it wasn't meant as an insult
I like it better than the tor network because tor is just cp and drugs.
>>55522017
Nice failed spoilers.
>>55522104
Still don't really understand why it didn't spoiler
>>55522120
Spoilers don't work on every board, summerfag.
>>55522131
I've been on /g/ for a while, just never needed to use the spoiler tags...
>>55521801
Really? Where do we see usercount? More importantly, what about speed? Is it at least as fast as IPFS?
Nothing on ZeroNet you can't find on the clearnet. Waste of time.
>>55523608
Based inbred.
Why would anyone use this? Won't it die out if people stop using it because lol decentralized?
>>55524533
In the exact same way that a website stops working when the central authority goes down. The only difference is that if the central authority goes down, the website doesn't go down unless nobody on the network has the data, which is simply not happening for any site that's even remotely popular. Additionally, hosting costs are virtually 0 since if nobody uses your site, nobody uses your resources, and if someone uses your site, someone is helping you host your site.
You fags are missing out on a whole new universe to populate.
>>55524673
Then answer this you fucking faggot. >>55523297
>>55523297
The speed is just fine. Sometimes I get disconnected but it is temp. There is a dashboard you can pull out to see how many connections there are to a given site I think.
>>55524813
What does "just fine" mean? Pull up the network analysis tool from your favorite browser and show a few sites, plus what the site looks like.
The controls and layout is responsive.
There are under 800 unique sites.
Searches are fast and yyou can usually find what you want.
>>55525037
The reason I told you to pull up your browser's network debug tools is because it typically gives fetch time for each document downloaded on the page, which accounts for both latency and download speed, instead of download speed alone.
>>55525074
I'm tech illiterate. Just get the installer and see for yourself. :^)
>it just werks
>>55525208
Another retarded shill outed for what he is. My job here is done. No need to thank me, /g/.
>>55525274
What do you guys think of zerochan?
>>55521773
I'm amazed by the idea of having sites without central servers. This should be the future of the www.
>>55525913
The WWW creators are working on something like that...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/technology/the-webs-creator-looks-to-reinvent-it.html?_r=0
>>55521897
It will. It already has some passionate users and in time it will atract more.
>>55525274
Get off your ass and actually look into it, autist.
>>55525968
>go download this virus good goy
>>55525984
Shit meme, Anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPjJM6yYS8
a bunch of cuban made there own internet.
>>55521773
Here is a porxy if you would like to try it out without downloading and installing it:
https://bit.no.com:43110
>>55526099
Why can't we do that?
>>55526163
zerochan has a thread about this thread.
>>55526402
I know I have started it ;^)
>>55523608
Says someone who wastes his/her time on 4chan.
>>55521773
It is a promising new project containing sites without any central server, hence no adds and central censorship.
And no Fucking Captcha on 0chan.
Okay so I followed the instructions on the github page to download zeronet and now have the folders and files in pic related... What do I do from here?
>>55524533
>Why would anyone use this?
For example, because we believe a better brighter future for the internet which is free and democratic at it was originally dreamed of. And for getting away a bit from the centralized tyranny of the current internet owned and controlled by some central corporations bombarding you with ads and selling you out.
> Won't it die out if people stop using it because lol decentralized?
No. The old and obsolete centralized internet will die when people will switch to decentralized ones.
>>55527220
I couldn't get it to work for mac. so i don't know.
>>55527273
Just figured it out!
Drop the ZeroNet.app into the terminal and press enter
>>55527220
If you use a GNU/Linux open a terminal. cd to ZeroNet folder start zeronet.py there by giving the following command:
$./zeronet.py
(You may need to install python.)
If you use windows, you have to wait for the answer of somebody else because I have quit using windows in the last century. (But probably you have to run zeronet.py by some python interpreter on windows too...)
>>55521897
We will see. I can also imagine that it will grows into something amazing in a couple of years.
>>55521773
I like zeronet, needs more content.
0chan needs more memes
>0chan has over 3k peers
Did we deed id reddid? Is it time to jump ship unto a new 4chan? Do we finally have a new home away from the absolute cancer that 4chan has become?
>>55528720
at one post per hour? you'd be better off even on cripplechan or lainchan
>>55528744
It could grow exponentially if anyone from 4chan came to it.
>>55528744
0chan is still a kind of underground chan that is going to gain traction as 0net gains traction (and as non-undesirables are introduced to it). Due to the nature of the network, it's unlikely that what happened to 8ch will happen here. 8ch is dead, which is not the same as not being alive yet. Namely, it's overrun by redditumblrtards and everyone knows about the place, so it's impossible to discuss anything there. All desirables have been pushed away.
Lainchan is too focused on a handful of topics to ever be mainstream, and their administration is pants-on-head retarded. The userbase is also pretty shit.
Compared to other not-alive-yet and dead chans, 0chan has first mover advantage for being on 0net, doesn't inherently limit itself to specific discussion (it's limited due to the low userbase for now just like 4chan was at the beginning), it's not tight on budget or resources and it actually has several thousand users (whereas other dead or not-alive-yet chans tend to have at most in the low hundreds, typically in the dozens).
>>55528886
Good point i'm going to browse both 4chan and 0chan.
>>55528886
list of not cancered not dead chans
8ch.pl
endchan.xyz
zerochan.
>>55527286
Yeah, they should fix that so commoners can access.
>>55529311
Endchan is pretty not alive and has something like 5 users. 8ch.pl is /pol/'s bunker and is pretty empty otherwise. Mostly polish.
>>55529665
There are zeronet portals already up, commoners wouldn't download anything to begin with. However, it would be better to release a tor browser + zeronet bundle or something.
>My email gets encrypted as braille
How much more secure can it get?
>>55521789
>127.0.0.1
nigger please
>>55531149
you connect to the zeronet service running on your own computer, which itself requests the site and serves you it, dummy
So why use this over Freenet? Honestly Freenet seems superior because at least it tries to maintain privacy rather than just saying "oh, use Tor if you want privacy!"
>>55531377
It is a bijillion times faster and ACTUALLY has content.
>>55531377
Freenet is inferior in every single way except muh private cp. It has limited capacity while zeronet doesn't. It is slow as balls while zeronet isn't. It does not have a distributed namestore while zeronet does (using namecoins). Plus, freenet has no users nor content by comparison. I don't think freenet can do non-static content either.
>>55531377
>>55531411
And the premium feature of....
MOSTLY NO CP!!!
>>55531649
unless you want cp you sicko.
>>55531111
I'm sure that thats just a stupid animation and it encrypts them in a much much better way.
>>55521773
Garbage due to it requiring scripts to be enabled in order to run.
>>55532559
At least you can "pause" the state of a website and only update it at will while you review its scripts. The data is decoupled from the presentation. That'll be even more the case when merger sites are out.
is there cp yet
>>55532559
> I only visit sites that run without scripts.
4chan even requires non-1st-party scripts to run, so you should consider it double garbage. Please, stop shit posting values you don't give a damn.
>>55532884
> I only visit sites that run without scripts.
No, but I only enable them when I need them instead of letting every website run whatever code they want. For example if I'm going to a news website to read an article why should I allow scripts for browser fingerprinting or a ton of other shit that is completely unnecessary for what I'm doing?
>4chan even requires non-1st-party scripts to run
Um no. Ever heard of 4chan X? No Google scripts running here.
>>55532984
> For example if I'm going to a news website to read an article why should I allow scripts for browser fingerprinting or a ton of other shit that is completely unnecessary for what I'm doing?
ZeroNet sites don't have to pay for servers. So they don't harass you by a ton of other shit anyway.
On a ZeroNet news site you only get the news like in the early time of the internet.
> Um no. Ever heard of 4chan X? No Google scripts running here.
No. I haven't thanks for the info.
>>55533204
>So they don't harass you by a ton of other shit anyway.
>implying they won't do it anyways if Zeronet starts becoming more popular because people are used to it elsewhere
>implying people won't still want to make money whenever possible
>>55531649
>>55532853
No, and because the main concern of the project is not privacy but freeing sites from the burdens and costs of central servers, ZeroNet will probably remain cp free.
>>55521773
seems pretty botnetty desu
>>55527040
So this is Usenet for WWW basically?
>>55525274
Is it really so hard to look into though? It's a small download and a little extracting, so if it's slow to you or you can't find what you're looking for you just uninstall it and shitpost about how it sucks. Pretty simple, actually.
>>55525037
link?
What would be the best way to get a website online, and does hosting mean there is any way to find the server IP?
Thanks senpai
>>55531149
I thought that was warez.japan.com but I guess not. Someone has changed the DNS entry.
>>55527220
You get a real operating system you retard.
>>55531377
I think the main goal of ZeroNet is different from Freenet. On Freenet privacy is the top priority. On ZeroNet making it possible to create high quality sites "without any central server".
But I'm just guessing, I'm not a developer. I even missed my chance last month to meet the main developer on an open source meetup :-(
>>55526373
ubiquiti radios and some cheap routing equipment and you have your own ISP or meshnet type thing
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/
>>55531649
Where there's a will, there's a way.
>>55521773
the most cowardly choice
people that use zeronet are people so weak they cannot kill themselves.The only to prevent the take over the internet is too make sacrifices,and fight back.If the confederacy shows us anything that running away in a safe space will only fuck you
>>55533333
Very nice numbers
>>55528916
Don't expect too much activity on 0chan yet it is quite new (actually the whole ZeroNet project is quite new).
>>55533351
>So this is Usenet for WWW basically?
Maybe, I don't know Usenet...
>>55533242
Call me an idealist, but I don't think ads will ever infect ZeroNet (or at least not as much as they infected the regular internet).
0. There are plenty of web 2.0 sites (as 4chan, to mention only one) where the real contributors don't get any money for their contributions.
Why wouldn't these people also contribute to a site which does not makes someone else unfairly rich?
[I don't think feeding parasites is an inherent nature of humans.]
1. It will probably not grow rapidly just gradually. So greedy corporations will not pay attention to ZeroNet any time soon.
2. The free software community starting to realize that asking and giving donations is the best way to get quality softwares/services respecting our freedom. (So probably asking donations will be the best way to earn money on ZeroNet, because if you cannot force people to pay you have to ask them nicely to do so.)
>Over 50% of the data is CSS
Does it still have that site with all those movies?
>>55535128
What was it called?
>>55521777
Checked
>>55531111
>Quads
Nice
>>55526099
kek, I had a cuban teacher who told us how they litterally built several antennae from the garbage in order to make a meshnet to play counter strike.
>link to Google doc on landing page
>background of chrome's "No connection" minigame
botnet detected
>>55531149
newfag gtfo
>>55535128
The link keeps being caught as spam, but you can find it on 0list by ctrl + f for "Play" or "movie"
>Message submit failed!
>Parsing parameters... Please try again later.
huh
>>55535556
I get that on ZeroBoard if I try to post too quickly
>>55535596
Same; I did make a post about 10 minutes ago but it still won't let me post.
LEWD
>>55535724
this reads like 2ch desu
>>55528330
There's a russian guy who spams about protein, maybe he could be the first meme.
>>55525984
Just audit the code, fucking retard.
So how anonymous is this thing?
>>55536293
Not at all anonymous. Its main goal is to decentralize site hosting
>>55536293
>>55536402
Though there is TOR integration, if you do want anonymity
Has anyone seen the porn *chins on this thing? Lmao
>>55536447
That bad?
>>55536416
>Tor
>""""anonymity""""
>>55531695
Nope, they migrated from SHA to braille so that decryption is more costly.
>>55521773
Oldfags please take a look at 0Chan and tell us newfags how is it related to the early days of 4Chan. What is different, what is similar?
>>55525967
>>55527645
Fking shills and your weird manner of speaking. Go away.
>>55537510
I cant tell you the similarities but i can tell you the good features
1. Only rule is "no illegal content"
2. No newbs (sort of)
3. Post numbers are randomly generated so no getfags and dubfags
BAD:
1.no rules page
2. bad engine (getting better)
3. If someone wants to they cn find the zeroid that you posted it with and then can track all posts you made... dont know why you would care but it exists..
>>55535724
Thats the reddit clone not 0chan just to be clear.
>>55535602
Zeroboard is fucking stupid it wont let you post until 10 MINUTES after your post just use another chat or 0chan or zeroboard.
>>55540037
>If someone wants to they cn find the zeroid that you posted it with and then can track all posts you made
So this service does have a central ID? Someone anon shilling this in a previous thread was insisting that it didn't even though the home page on their website seems to point to it having one.
>>55540285
There are no central IDs, it's decentralized and distributed. Your ID is a name associated with a key that you seed into the network. Additionally, you login with an ID on a per-site basis, i.e. if you're logged in on zerotalk, you're not logged in on 0chan. Moreover, you don't need an ID for all sites, only for those that allow you to post shit, and only to do the posting.
However, it's still true that the ID shit is pretty imperfect right now, as it makes you identifiable across posts and I haven't seen the guarantees provided with regard to anonymity on that front. Additionally, it doesn't seem to help much against spam and 'bad content' (e.g. cp on a site that tries to not be illegal), since IDs can be regenerated automatically already.
>>55540357
The ID system is a bit fucked up but they fix it eventually.
Isn't it susceptible to spam?
>>55521773
Any links to bomb recipes?
>>55533326
How can you say that? People who post cp are not ones that do that kind of ethical reasoning
Hey everyone, READ THE MANUAL!
http://zeronet.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
It answers alot of questions.
>>55541692
It doesn't. Kill yourself, shill.
>>55541692
nice bomb, jamal
now give it back
>>55541727
No U!
This is F/LOSS, ass monkey!
>>55541734
That makes literally no sense.
If you think this is a virus/botnet, THEN CHECK THE SOURCE CODE!
If you don't like a Zite(Zeronet site) then STOP SEEDING IT!
Stop being shills for corporate central control!
This is about freedom from censorship and a Peer2Peer internet!
>>55541854
this.
>>55541345
The ID system is not perfect, but multiple IDs are enabled. So one can have more than enough IDs to remain completely anonymous.
>>55541746
>>55541854
>>55541879
>>55542784
>ip count doesn't change
Time to report.
>>55542867
Whats and IP count? newbie here.
>>55542867
Wtf?
>>55542913
It's a bluff. From the 4 qouted posts only the last is mine.
>>55542867
>announcing reports
top kek.
dead thread.
>>55540357
>>55542784
So the same ID isn't used between websites then, or it is used between websites but you can have multiple IDs that you can change between?
>>55544493
The latter.
>>55521773
>"oh neato"
>go to chat
>>INSTALL GENTOO and alike comments
god damn it guys
>>55544695
I noticed that to. 1 thread contaminated a large portion of zero net.
>>55542985
>saying top kek on /g/
top kek.
http://www.yacy.net/en/index.html similar project.
>>55545315
Completely unrelated in every way.
>>55545350
they're both decentralized, but that's not much of a correlation
>>55544685
>service already requires you to make an effort to keep your posts from being linked between websites
>websites haven't even started trying to track users yet
No thanks, that honestly sounds retarded.
>>55545315
Similarly fascinating, you mean?
>>55545394
I don't get it.
Are you saying that it is bad if a website asks for an account to let you post something on it?
Then even Wikipedia is wicked.
Anyway, you can passively browse all the ZeroNet sites without any ID.
>>55545725
You don't need an account to edit wikipedia articles, but your IP will be recorded.
>>55545725
>Are you saying that it is bad if a website asks for an account to let you post something on it?
When you have to go out of your way to keep your browser from using the exact same account across different websites, yes. It's no different than the internet ID bullshit that some countries like China push and it's completely retarded that a new service aimed at preventing internet censorship would implement such a thing.
>>55541854
no it isn't
this is a locked down playground some 3 letter agency's think tank came up with, whose aim is to round up all the nerds concerned about their privacy in one place so that they'll stop "bothering" the normie sheep
>>55545892
Well it didn't work did it... I've seen like a million posts about privacy here.. unless this is the containment board.. oh my god.
>>55545766
Ok, Wikipedia was not the best example, but I think you get my point. (Anyway, publicly posting IPs is kind of wicked.)
>>55546244
/pol/ is the containment board for anti semitic people
/g/ is a containment board for people who are concerned about there privacy
/b/ is a containment and hunting ground board for pedos.
>>55545315
Freenet is more similar project.
>>55545814
I agree that there is plenty of space for improving their ID system. However, it is far better than how you depict it.
It is just like you should log out from your Google account before logging in to github (if you wish to log in there with a different account). It is not perfect, but it is not a disaster either.
>>55546407
True. It would be better if you had a ID for each site or some sites (like IRC or Chans) you could post anonymously.
someone posted this on 0chan
In case you would like to ban some ZeroNet files form your computer, here is a Zite explaining how can you do that:
(4chan thinks link is spam)
Spoiler: simply deleting them is not the best solution.
this means if someone posted CP it is auto downloaded onto your computer if your seeding.
this is not good at all.
>>55546433
Yes, let's hope they will improve the ID system in that direction.
>>55546488
Only if you see the file, or you explicitly seed a specific site as a whole (disabled by default), i.e. it's no different than normal browser cache except you also upload the content.
However, the fact that it's not possible to blacklist arbitrary content by default is stupid.
The networks works real well, there is already content and there are already quite a few people using the network, but the software has serious flaws. For example, it wouldn't be hard to, instead of just having a proxy which requires html, css and js to be served, instead have all program control call back into the local application server to operate via special operations files, e.g. say a get request for a file with a .zero extension is made via the proxy, instead of returning the file, the file is executed by the application server and the output document is returned (or other similar features). This could trivially allow the system to be expanded - even allowing using non-js, non-html, non-css systems to have the browser still display the same document, unaware of the details.
Aside from that, it means you can start banning content on the application server level instead of going with workarounds, you don't need to enable js browser-side, you can limit application-server-side allowed operations, etc, etc.
Lots and lots of safety and privacy features can be implemented just with the addition of a local application server like that.
>>55546577
You should send these flaws to the zeronet creator.
Zeronet ID = they can see what posts "madeupname" posted, but don't know there IP.
IP = They can find you, they can track you, they can shoot you in the face and piss on your corpse.
Zeronets scary scary "ID" are much more anonymous then even just using 4chan.
And unlike an IP, you can just casually up and change the "ID" which is utterly unconnected to the actual person to begin with.
The amount of stupidity and hypocrisy in this thread is disgusting.
>>55547741
t. clinically retarded shill
>>55547785
Can you refute what I said?
Or is ad hominem and other fallacies all you are capable of?
I2P > The rest
>>55547741
Except Zeronet's ID system can track your posts if you're posting from multiple locations or even if you're using Tor if you aren't vigilant about changing your ID. Any service designed to be used over Tor that requires the user to be vigilant about constantly applying manual changes to avoid getting tracked between websites and across sessions, in addition to requiring javascript to be allowed which is what the main route for attacking Tor users, is worthless garbage to me.
>p2p anonymity network
Have fun seeding CP.
>>55547923
The point is "posts" is all they are tracking.
a person can find out that however said "bleh bleh" also said "I hate stuff!",
so. fucking. what.
It only applies to post on zeronet and is easy to get around.
>>55547929
Everything is seeded willingly, if you don't like a thing, you stop seeding it.
It goes like this.
You visit a Zite, you are now seeding it.
You notice it has bad content, you delete the Zite on your end, and seeding stops.
>>55547929
Except Zeronet has no privacy.
>>55548025
>The point is "posts" is all they are tracking.
>someone totally can't be identified by the information they submit to websites
>>55548070
>I'm stupid enough to post my name and
>address, but it is ok, I'm using TOR!
>>55548095
>implying it isn't possible to dox people in other ways, especially when software that circumvents the protections that Tor provides is involved
>>55548161
My point isn't to say Zeronet is completely anonymous.
My point is to point out it is atleast more anonymous then NORMAL web browsing.
Most people are not willing to disable all JS and browse everything with TOR.
And so Zeronet is not made for the privacy obsessed.
The POINT of Zeronet is censorship resistants with P2P hosted sites.
Just like Bittorrent, but for websites.
And that INCLUDES active content!
Static is boring as hell and JS is very useful.
Also "possible to" is not even remotely the same as "likely to".
Those other ways are harder to pull off and more likely to fail.
You're grasping at straws.
>>55548290
>And that INCLUDES active content!
>that exclamation point
>Static is boring as hell and JS is very useful.
>security holes are fun and exciting
>rehashing these points again
Fuck off shill. You think I don't recognize your curry stink from the last thread?
>>55547923
Exactly. You shouldn't waste your time in this thread, it's purely shills and more shills saying the most inane and retarded shit to try to defend their crapware malware.
>>55548454
I use exclamation points because I'M AN EMOTIONAL PERSON, ASS HAT!
JS is a programing language, it isn't just about security, and does lots of GOOD stuff.
>rehashing that the world is round again.
Repetition doesn't make something false, and it is totally necessary when dealing with bullshit that never addresses the points made.
A person isn't a shill just because you yell SHILL at them till they go on a psychotic killing rampage.
1. Where a person is from has nothing to do with anything in this thread.
2. I'm from the shithole known as the USA, idiot!
>>55548566
>thread posted
>no talk of /g/ on 0chan and 0board
>1 hour later
>like 9 "install gentoo's" in chat
>lotsa tech thread on 0chan.
>the shills have won.
What's the basic requirement to run a local network for me and my neighbors?
Its probably gained at least 200 users partly thanks to the bumps given by these people:
>>55548454
>>55548566
>>55548161
>>55548070
>>55547929
>>55547923
>>55547878
>>55547785
Thank you for giving zeronet more users.
>>55548826
look it up.
>>55548842
How do you know all of those are bumps when we can't see sage anymore, anon?
>>55532984
>Um no. Ever heard of 4chan X? No Google scripts running here.
I can't do the captchas if I don't have google scripts allowed
>>55549034
Did you try enabling the noscript captcha?
>>55548842
> not being aware that complaining about bubmps is also a bump
Oh, fuck I have also just bumped this thread :^)
