What's the point of BSD?
Why should anyone use it?
>>55491908
for the epic memes
Some people want a Unix(like) that isn't GNU or Linux.
>>55491916
why?
Because they prefer to use an actual Unix system?
Do you prefer sex while wearing a condom? Then you're the sort of person who would prefer Linux to actual Unix.
Apple needs a codebase to steal from
>>55492155
>comparing bsd to something bsd users will never experience
>>55492155
BSD isn't UNIX newfag. The only actual UNIX is OS X.
>>55492174
ayyyy
>>55492262
2 shekels have been added to your apple account
>>55491916
I can understand doing that because you want a challenge or a learning experience, but why would you want a Unix system that is not Mac or Linux compatible for a personal computer?
>>55491908
It's developed by empowered women.
>>55492155
>Working software is like condoms
>Desktop environments is like condoms
Doing stuff in CLIs is nice sometimes but sometimes you need to do something else.
>>55491908
NAS4Free
>>55492408
I can understand you wanting to know that because you are curious or partially brain damage, but why would you even care why he wants to do that?
>>55492465
Because I'm interested in technology and I want to understand the interest in FreeBSD in case I might relate to it, or in case there's something about it that I can make fun of.
>>55492393
Are you really that stupid? I'm not shilling faggot. UNIX is a trademark owned by Apple.
>>55492430
are you implying the hambeast is so fat
not even light can escape her gravitational pull?
kek
>>55492569
>UNIX is a trademark owned by Apple
>>55491908
>What's the point of BSD?
People like it so people develop it
>Why should anyone use it?
Because they either want to or have a fitting use case.
>>55492262
There are two kinds of Unix. There's Unix the OS family, and there's UNIX the certification. BSD is the prior, OS X is both. Either means it can be called Unix, the prior is what Unix really is.
>>55492262
Legally, no, it's not Unix. Unix is a trademark name. It's BSD, which stands for Berkley Software Distribution, a distribution of Unix. It is however a unix.
It could be certified as Unix, as could have Linux at one point. Linux basically was offered it for free (1 George Washington dollar) but they failed to take advantage due to typical Linux development drama, and now it is no longer possible due to bullshit like the systemd malware infesting it, and making it very clearly not Unix.
>>55492645
There is one Linux distro with UNIX certification
"BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC."
http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01
ZFS is supposedly a great filesystem. I believe netflix uses FreeBSD. I'm going to be setting up a home backup server soon, and I'm going to try freebsd on an old pentium 4 I have lying around.
>>55492704
For ZFS you want 1GB RAM per 1TB storage and it should be ECC RAM
>>55492733
Ahh, thanks for correcting me then! I guess openbsd it is.
>>55491908
Linux mucks up applications by making them too fat, adding unneeded features to the software, when these features already existed as another program done better. It's the difference between philosophies. Unix philosophy means each program on your system does just one thing, and does it well. Each component of the operating system uses other components rather than try to reinvent the wheel over and over. Truly, this style means your system is completely free from crap, and that each program is doing its job better than anything else. A truly light system with nothing more than what is needed is desirable over bloated alternatives, even though software compatibility is sacrificed.
>>55492006
They're autistic and even bigger hipsters than the guys who use Linux
>>55491908
It was a good idea at the time, but copyleft software left it in the dust.
The only reason to use bsd now is if you want to create some software that will be compatable with open source and proprietary software licenses. For example, webm plugins for adobe premier are bsd licensed.
>>55492155
>The only actual UNIX is OS X.
What is AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Tru64
Hows gaming support on BSD?
>>55492663
No, there isn't.
POSIX cert, sure. But not Unix cert.
>>55492868
It runs faster than any other platform, all sony gaming consoles have been on unix for the past 18 years because of this.
>>55492879
Yes there is. K-UX is UNIX 03 certified.
>>55492704
Try nas4free it's freebsd based, and I'm running 4gb ram, 5gb storage no problem
>>55492950
Huh...
That's a surprise.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspur_K-UX
>>55492796
Yes, but what if you need your computer to be more than a particularly resource-efficient Facebook machine?
>>55493190
Then you install the necessary software to do so
BSD is a meme kept alive by trolls who think it's funny to persuade gullible innocents to install broken, useless operating systems.
>>55491916
Because Linux isn't put together well.
>>55493306
ebin
>>55493306
Sounds like gentoo to me
>>55492408
FreeBSD can execute Linux binaries.
The BSD network stack is also better than the Linux stack, and jails are comfy.
>>55493306
Are you the guy from the other thread that took 12 hours to build your computer and still failed?
>>55493369
Must be some other looser.
>>55492408
because the bloat in linux has reached the boiling point and systemd/gnome 3 are literally making me puke
>>55493359
Jails are more than comfy, its epic.
Check out smartos
>>55493432
>so much bloat
>my p3, 128mb ram, 16gb hdd
>can't handle it
kys
>>55492885
Or is it because it's open source, and the license permits them to refrain from disclosing the source code while making money off of it?
Sony can heavily mod it, make their own drivers, their own everything and do whatever they want. Back when they started with the consoles, Linux and BSD were more on par too.
>>55492155
Actually BSD is more like living in a shed instead of a house.
Does BSD have steam. I just wanna play games that are on linux
>>55493872
Maybe through it's Linux compatibility layer out whatever it's called. BSD doesn't have steam directly though
>>55492704
Hammer 2 sounds like it has more potential, and none of Oracle's bullshit.
>>55493898
Officially? Linuxulator
>>55493853
Not in the slightest.
>>55493952
Yup, that's the one. I heard (some?) games work, but I never had any luck... I never put much effort into it either though
>>55493103
>k-ux
>cucks
>>55494206
How did I know that was coming
>>55491908
BSD cucks are actually mactards in disguise. They recommend BSD so they look cool and no one calls them tech illiterate.
No one really uses BSD
>>55494261
I use OpenBSD on multiple computers and have a server that'll be running NetBSD
>>55494287
Sure proved me wrong. Now how can I install simple screenrecorder in OpenBSD?
>>55494309
>check if it's available as a package or port
>if it's then not try compiling it from source
>>55494346
Nothing actually works in BSD, does it? If I have to compile everything I'd just use Gentoo.
But I'd be doing the work with the software rather than looking for BSD compatibility and compilation instructions
>>55494388
>Nothing actually works in BSD, does it
The only software I've had an issue with using in OpenBSD is Opera, and I know it's not popular in the slightest so I wouldn't expect many to have the same issue
>If I have to compile everything I'd just use Gentoo.
You don't.
>>55494451
>Typical BSD-tard that conveniently never uses a software that isn't provided in the small list of packages that BSD will ever provide
>Also has an opinion
hahaha
>>55494501
The fuck is your issue?
>>55494514
Take your hip OS somewhere else, until things actually work and you don't have to port yourself
>>55494545
Eat a dick. I'm discussing technology on a technology board, you shitstain.
>>55494568
Spoken like a true mactard. Either you are a worthless NEET or you are just baiting me
>>55491916
Alpine Linux is nice if you want BSD experience on Linux.
BSD is nice on routers and storage servers. I prefer LXC to jails and Bhyve to KVM.
>>55494514
What else do you expect from contrarian GNU hipsters on this board who are too dumb to use google?
>>55492262
BSD is a direct descendant of V6 from before it became a closed product
>>55494636
The fuck are you calling me a mactard for? And what makes you think I'm baiting? Fucking dumbass.
>>55494685
Good point
>>55494685
Kek did you even see the fucking sticky of this board? GNU is not hip enough here.
>>55492796
what would be examples of suchs applications?
>>55491916
>Unix(like)
Buzz. BSD *IS* Unix.
>>55492859
Also IRIX.
To be quite honest, family, at this point the whole thing is a pointless quibble that only historians are interested in anymore.
Yes, theoretically BSD is UNIX, and Linux isn't.
In the same way that Taiwan is China and the PRC isn't.
>>55494888
Linus refuses to suck UNIX brand's cock so it's Unix like
>>55491908
It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
>>55492155
BSD is pretty rawdog compared to linux, agreed
>>55494929
>decades old copypasta
>>55491908
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save *BSD from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
>>55494929
>*BSD market share has dropped yet again
One more user died of old age?
>>55494920
Do you mean Stallman?
>>55494929
>>55494951
strange how a dead operating system is 20 years later serving up over 30% of US internet.
>>55494963
>He had to quote the actual reply to deflect his existential crisis
kekkity kek
>>55495002
Nope, Linus is the only one that has control over Linux kernel
>>55495033
Trolling's a lot more entertaining when you're not shit at it, anon. Regardless, it's against the rules in every board that isn't /b/.
>>55495033
The kernel is only a small part of what would make it Unix. GNU's Not UNIX.
>>55495055
>M-mommy he said the things that hurt me send him to /b/
Are you crying atm?
Why would anyone use *BSD to GNU/Linux?
>many times poorer hardware support
>many many times poorer software support
>doesn't offer any performance improvements with comparison to GNU/Linux
>cuck license that allows corporations and other jewish acolytes to exploit all and every code
>obscurity makes it a really bad developer platform, not to mention it's much harder to troubleshoot issues
Literally no reason to use *BSD nowadays.
>>55492569
>>55495104
The fuck are you on about?
>>55495182
>it's much harder to troubleshoot issues
ahahaha no.
try and troubleshoot something happening on one of the million modern Linux distros (especially the ones with systemd). try and find support for your OS when it's changing out from under everybody every week.
now try and troubleshoot something on one of the *BSDs (if you ever run into a problem, which is unlikely to happen). the stable and cleaner system architecture in use by the major *BSD platforms makes it a breeze. plus you have much more knowledgeable professionals supporting *BSD, not just some Linux kids.
>>55493037
Is it better than FreeNAS on lower spec systems or something?
>>55495182
I use OpenBSD because the hardware support's better than Linux's for my laptop. Since then I've come to like it.
>cuck license
Oh you weren't looking for a serious answer anyway.
>>55495357
I think so, I don't have much experience with either. But from an afternoons research I decided nas4free was better for me, and I am extremely happy with it so far
>>55493359
Linux binaries sometimes run better on a FreeBSD system. Some games developed for Linux run better on FreeBSD. Source: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_games_bsd
>>55495342
What the hell are you talking about? Many of the popular Linux distros have thousands of testers (i.e. users) and it's virtually impossible to get an obscure error. And how is the *BSD ``stable and cleaner''? It's pretty much the same, just without and features and content.
>>55495373
>hardware support is better
[citation needed]
You literally made that up on the spot.
>>55495491
What's there to cite? Hardware that went driverless in Linux has drivers in OpenBSD for my Latitude XT2
>literally made that up on the spot
Search the archive, it's literally not even the first time I've posted about it.
>>55495491
Hardware support is one of the many things where BSD falls short
>>55495528
>Latitude XT2
What drivers were you ``missing'' on GNU/Linux? Network?
>Search the archive, it's literally not even the first time I've posted about it.
Oh, I see. So you are part of the resident BSD cuckforce?
>>55495549
Software too. Over the years the difference with GNU/Linux really has increased tremendously. The gap is too wide now, *BSD is unusable on a modern computer.
>>55495549
Werks on my machines.
How many hardwares does Linux support? How many hardwares does BSD support? I'm honestly curious in the numbers...
>>55495625
I know for a fact that Bluteooth will NEVER run on my laptop if I use BSD
Doesn't work on my machine
>>55495661
Oh you might be right there. Never tried Bluetooth.
Linux: 1
BSD: 0
Just curious, what do you actually use Bluetooth on a computer for?
>>55495491
>Many of the popular Linux distros have thousands of testers (i.e. users) and it's virtually impossible to get an obscure error.
Linux (outside of the kernel) is a patchwork of hacked-together dependencies which can and do often fail. *BSD was designed around a clean, unified source tree, where failures are almost unheard of in a major release.
>It's pretty much the same, just without and features and content.
If you're looking for useless features and content maybe you're better off with Linux. *BSD at its core is about predictable rock-solid stability, not chasing whatever the incompatible flavor of the week is like Linux.
>>55495737
Bluetooth transfers are faster than scp. Also, bluetooth earphones
>>55495746
Literally just buzzwords. There are many GNU/Linux distributions that offer a ``clean, unified source tree, where failures are almost unheard of in a major release''. Debian stable, CentOS, RHEL, SUSE, and Oracle come to mind.
>If you're looking for useless features and content maybe you're better off with Linux.
False dichotomy. As I just demonstrated, there are GNU/Linux distributions that offer both features/content and rock-solid stability.
>>55493432
if systemd is bloated, when so is systemv. systemd is basically just systemv is one process.
installing a lighter DE requires a single command
>>55495818
>There are many GNU/Linux distributions that offer a ``clean, unified source tree
no there aren't
http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/03
>>55495866
Nice blog full of claims
>>55495866
Heh, I was wondering when that blog will pop up. Again, nothing but buzzwords. RHEL, SUSE, Oracle, and others provide unified source tree, made to work work flawlessly together as a ``base system''. All of them offer, independently, an assortment of ``addon utilities''.
As I said, nothing but buzzwords.
>>55495614
>What drivers were you ``missing'' on GNU/Linux? Network?
pen digitizer
>Oh, I see. So you are part of the resident BSD cuckforce?
No, I'm just a BSD user who posts on /g/.
>>55495937
>>55495614
Is your " key broken? Let me guess, you use BSD
>>55496087
>pen digitizer
Completely supported for many years now.
>>55496101
You have to be 18 to post on this website, you know this?
>>55496175
That's neat and all, but it wasn't when I tried.
>>55496175
Ah let me test: " " " "
Works just fine. Too bad your autism box doesn't let you do it :^)
thread's over, bsd wins
>>55495787
Makes sense.
>>55496421
>118 posts in
>buttravaged in half of the posts
>BSD wins guyzzz pls no bully
hahahaha
>>55496421
okay enjoy having a desktop market share that is too small for double precision
>>55496474
>people disagreeing with you = assblasted
That's not how that works you fucking dumbass
>>55496474
shouldn't you be recompiling your kernel there, kiddo?
>>55496490
okay enjoy giving a shit about how many people use what instead of just fucking using whatever you want
>>55496495
>i don't have to recompile my kernel because BSD never updates :v)
>>55496495
Shouldn't you be fixing your keyboard, NEET?
>>55496513
>tfw get a new release every 6 months like clockwork
Feels nice to be BSD masterrace
>>55496540
Do you get new softwares every six months?
>>55496554
Are Linux users so autistic they keep track of the exact moment they last updated something? Because I just update once a week.
>>55496510
market share is important for software support senpai
>>55496623
Not really. If it supports Linux it more than likely supports BSD. "Linux" software is nothing more than software that simply runs on Linux, most is not Linux exclusive.
>>55496595
What are you on about? There are automatic security updates if you are lazy
BSD is nice because the base system is developed and upgraded in one piece. In that sense, it's more like Windows, but it's transparent as well. Linux doesn't have that concept, since it's a hacked-together collection of binaries that create a coherent system. A benefit of the base system is that they focus on performance.
>>55496712
that's it boys, thread over, pack it in
bsd is the clear winner
>>55496642
What about software that makes use of service or kernel modules (ie: any software that is useful)
>>55496758
Well I haven't run into any issues yet
>>55496474
you're that loser with the LG volt aren't you
you are the saddest motherfucker on /g/ mate
Don't fall for the BSD meme, the Jews want you to write BSD-licensed code so they can cuck you and make money with their proprietary forks
>>55497002
>le epik cuck maymay
Stop.
>>55497121
Not at all, your bullshit meme's just gotten incredibly annoying
Are there any FSF approved BSDs?
>>55497040
>>55497121
He's not wrong
>>55492155
Are you fucking retarded. I wii strangle you with yoyr o2n fuckint condom. Wtf even wrong with yoy
>>55497686
No but you apparently are.
BSD hasn't and will not be backdoored by systemd
>>55497720
How is your launchd going?
>>55493359
>The BSD network stack is also better than the Linux stack
Why? Do you have any idea what are you talking about or are you just spreading memes?
>>55494261
Wierd. I run OpenBSD on a pair of thinkpads. Must be a mistake in the OpenBSD installer.
Either that or you're a dicklicking troll.
>>55497002
Using GPL is a choice. You choose to force people who change your code to use GPL and they are obligated to accept that choice if they choose to change your software.
Yes, the BSD license is more free, in the literal sense of free. GPL is "more free" in the sense that it forces you to grant freedom to the users and forces people who change it to grant that same freedom. This is technically speaking a restriction.
People have every right to release software as free of any restrictions if they choose to. It has negative and positive implications.
Acting like it's evil is being the kind of extremist freetard that is weighting down GNU/Linux and keeping it shitty.
>>55498677
>forces you to be free
OH GOD HOW HORRIBLE
Meanwhile, enjoy your code being used in Microsoft and Apple's shit and them never giving anything back. How does it feel to have contributed to evil, nonfree, amoral companies, BSD users?
Seriously, I love your OS but you really need to rethink this license thing. You're just one step away from not having a license at all, and that's not freedom. That's anarchy.
>>55498739
anarchy is superior to freedom
>>55491908
It's only real OS.
FreeBSD one of faster, standardized and modular *nix-like OS.
Wonderful and powerful.
Only technically illiterate people don't use FreeBSD.
>>55498739
I'm not even a BSD user lol. But if people want to use free-licensed code for evil purposes, then that's their right. They would be doing evil regardless.
Also, you can't change the license of a BSD-licensed program. That's part of the license.
>>55498780
>Also, you can't change the license of a BSD-licensed program. That's part of the license.
That is the definition of copyleft, which the BSD licenses do not have.
>>55498778
>*nix-like
>>55498739
This >>55498764
Crypto-Anarchy is only Freedom.
Crypto-Anarchy is only way.
>>55498800
>Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:
>* Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
Basically unless you are the original owner of the code, you can not publish code based on BSD without the BSD license. Is U of C or Berkeley still working on any kind of BSD?
>>55498815
Yeah, more correct just *nix.
>>55491908
I liked jails, but found hypervisors.
>>55491908
I don't have the slightest idea. I mean, there's some stuff out there that is pretty neat like ZFS, pfsense, etc., but I would never use it on my PC. Linux is huge right now and it still falls behind on some areas, I'm not going to step down even further by running *BSD.
>>55494844
Buzz. BSD *is* Unix-like.
It was based on the Unix source code but the Unix source code is different. Google is your friend. Before you autistically fact check others, fact check yourself.
>>55491908
At this point, PacketFilter, ZFS, Dtrace, it can make an amazing network or SAN appliance. The lack of hardware support/debug effort really holds it back.
>>55492465
Because that's the topic of the thread you literal retard.
>>55495848
sysv isn't bloated. Putting everything into one process is retarded because you end up having to reboot your computer everytime you want to get an updated version of your logger or any of its other services, because the only way to restart systemd is to reboot your computer because it's the init system.
Also, no it fucking isn't just the stuff in sysv. systemd has creeping featurism that almost rivals that of emacs. When it comes with facebook messenger integration and games I'm leaving Linux.
>>55493985
Tent?
>>55500947
House
>>55501477
Bird house.
>>55501541
House.
>>55501551
Of cards?
>>55501563
A regular house. You know, the kind you wish you had when you curl up under the overpass and go to sleep at night.
>>55493369
no he's probably the OP of this thread who can't stand the idea of someone using an OS he doesn't like so he searches the catalog all day for BSD threads
>>55494514
>responding to the N-NOTHING WORKS retard
>>55501607
The more times you get him to reply the more times you get to report him.
>>55495848
systemd is basically just systemv, udev, syslogd, dhcpcd and what not rolled up into one process, engineered by the guy who destroyed the Linux audio stack for like 4 years and backed by a corporation selling enterprise support and training for their own pieces of shit.
>>55496827
story?
>>55501623
>implying that does anything
/g/ has the worst moderation on this site, even /v/ is better moderated
>>55491908
For people who want off Redhat's wild ride
>>55501628
>>implying that does anything
>/g/ has the worst moderation on this site, even /v/ is better moderated
I'm well aware. It actually works more often than you'd think.
native zfs
>>55491908
openbsd is legit but the rest are fucking trash
>>55497002
this
I hate freetards but any open source code I write is GPLv2 because I don't want anyone using my shit for their profit.
>>55502421
i like how all GPLtards have this unwarranted self importance syndrome
i bet that nothing you do is relevant enough to warrant "stealing" in the first place
>>55502512
IT'S THE PRINCIPLE
>>55497002
>>55497601
>>55503254
>>>/9gag/
>>55497002
>>55503254
BSD license one should be "don't come crying to me if he breaks it"
