http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/fbis-use-of-tor-exploit-is-like-peering-through-broken-blinds/
So who here can't wait to get their anus stretched by one of the NSA's Turbine servers when they decide to target 4chan?
>>55260402
>people on /g/ don't care about this and would rather discus consumerist bullshit
Why is this board so shitty?
I have nothing to hide.
>2016
>still using TOR
>not using I2P master race
it's like you want to be thrown in prison for your 23Gb collection of cp
>>55261344
You're part of the problem
i don't do anything illegal and i'm not a public person, terrorist, paedophile or enemy of the state. the fbi has no interest in me, i'm not important enough and neither are you
>>55262441
>what is the NSA's Turbine program
They have autonomous hacking software now days. You no longer have to be important enough for an agent to target you, you just have to meet the broad criteria for the type of persons they want to go after and the software automatically targets and attacks you. They could just enter 4chan users as a selector and the software would go to town if they wanted.
>>55262506
and what would they do if they find nothing of interest? exactly: nothing.
you'd have to be really unlucky to be selected out of billions of internet users
tfw used tor to get around bans on forums before
am i gonna get hacked ?
>>55262527
We're already in your system.
>>55262534
fug :DD
>>55262518
>you'd have to be really unlucky to be selected out of billions of internet users
I don't think you understand how much the processing power they have. It's been confirmed that they passively collect data on everyone's browsing history in the US and store it for a year along with all SMS messages sent. You're fooling yourself if you think they don't have the resources to target massive amounts of people at once for hacking.
>>55262589
why are you so scared of the government? what are you hiding?
>>55262630
>being this naive
>>55262668
>ad hominem
answer the question
>>55262630
The vast majority of people haven't committed crimes, why does the government insist on treating them like criminals?
>>55260402
I don't do anything illegal so I don't have anything to worry about. Go jump off a bridge you pedophile fuck.
>>55262692
tfw they know i look at trap porn
>>55262698
because every single one of them could be the next elliot rodgers.
i'd rather live in a world like the one in minority report than getting shot by some random nutcase
>>55262630
Post your home address and phone number
>>55262717
you're not the government
>>55262717
spoiler: everyones is listed in the phone book and your neighbors know your address, name, and times you're out of the house.
>>55262727
>everyones is listed in the phone book
Are you retarded?
>>55262727
Post them then
Duh the 4th amendment was written before computers and iphones so obviously it shouldn't apply to them
I mean come on people its 2016!
>>55260402
>when they decide to target 4chan
lol
>>55262722
There are 22 million United States government employees. You really think it's impossible any random 4chan browser could be one?
>>55262441
>enemy of the state
And the state decides who its enemies are, right?
>>55262708
except in minority report crimes were stopped because of magic allowing people to know that a crime was definitely going to happen
in real life the nsa's systems are nothing like that and the gathered information can be used maliciously to blackmail/jail innocent people for talking shit about the government or any number of arbitrary reasons
>>55262766
prove it then
>>55262630
>what are you hiding
Things that are mine, and i want NO ONE to see.
>>55262768
and what reason would someone have to talk shit about the government unless they're a criminal?
>>55262770
What are you hiding from us that you're willing to share with people that have power over you?
>>55262792
if you really work for the government you already have all my information unless it's above your paygrade. posting it here is completely nonsensical.
what was your point again?
Conspiritards getting BTFO ITT.
>>55262797
Why are you avoiding the question? Just post it. What do you have to fear?
>>55262784
wat?
I think it's bullshit.
Our mail is very poorly encrypted, but it's illegal to search it without a warrant. Why does this not apply to our other communications?
I think this shit only passes because most people do not quite understand how much the government is invading peoples' lives. Even most young people do not realize that everything they do that involves technology is stored on a government server somewhere.
I'm tired of our recent administrations disregarding the constitution because it's inconvenient. That's why it was made, to limit the power of government. No shit it will be inconvenient when you want to bust people, that's the point. Innocent until proven guilty.
>>55262821
i am avoiding the question because you have yet to prove that you are eligible to access my data.
also refer to >>55262630
you're the one that started avoiding questions not me
>>55260402
I think that's bullshit. Pretty much saying that it's okay for them to widely distribute malware first and then arrest anyone it picks up.
>>55262831
>prove that you are eligible to access my data.
Why would the government be entitled to my communications?
>>55262630
>what are you hiding?
Their personal life? Not everyone gets off to indulging others' voyeurism.
>>55262831
Why would you ask me for proof? You are acting very suspicious.
>>55262842
crime prevention
>>55262870
post your .gov email and i'll send you my details. i can't post it here since it's against the rules
>>55262870
you're running out of arguments, stop embarrassing yourself.
>>55262875
>crime prevention
Start by banning all of the guns!
>>55262885
they're already banned in my country, i'm not american.
>>55262885
Why don't we ban people? Then no crimes could ever happen.
>>55262875
>crime prevention
Since i've committed no crime, and have no warrants out against me, i ask again why the government thinks it's entitled to my communications?
North Korea barely has any crime, seems like surveillance actually works.
>>55262899
the keyword is prevention.
Security > privacy
Prove me wrong.
>>55262882
You're the one arguing with the government, citizen. I'd suggest you change your tone.
>>55262935
>with the government
refer to >>55262831
>>55262923
That's not how this country (US) works, you need a warrant out against me to collect evidence, and since there's no warrant, and no accusation of me committing any crime, i ask once again, why the government thinks it's entitled to my communications.
>>55262949
do you have any proof that your communications are specifically targeted and looked at?
>>55262963
>do you have any proof that your communications are specifically targeted and looked at?
Not currently, mainly because i dont have lines tying directly into the datacenters of major phone companies and cellular providers, cable companies.
Not that your question has any merit to this discussion.
>>55262994
>Not currently
[opinion discarded]
>>55262963
Based on what you've said, the only way to prevent crime is to monitor everyone before suspicious activity even occurs.
>>55262999
>[opinion discarded]
Says the person who can't answer why the government thinks it's entitled to my communication.
>>55263006
it's not the only way, i never said or implied that. but it's one way.
I have nothing to hide. If I did, I'd be certain not to keep any links/records of it on my rig rofl
>>55263011
i don't think you understand how the internet works. if you publicly post something, it's public. if you agree to an EULA that says that the government can collect the information you send, it's your own problem.
>>55262830
not anymore apparently
i heard the fbi can hack your shit with no warrant now but i dont even know if its true
>>55262932
youre right
id rather have some faggot know my internet browsing than some faggot having access to control my system
>>55263054
>i heard the fbi can hack your shit with no warrant now but i dont even know if its true
How exactly did you end up in this thread without even glancing at the OP?
>>55263016
Why do you want to be treated like a criminal until you do something wrong? What if your opinion of "wrong" differs with that of the government's?
>>55263078
not tor specific but they can do it to anyone within fbi jurisdiction i heard it from a sperg friend irl
>>55263084
>Why do you want to be treated like a criminal until you do something wrong?
because it offers me and everyone else more security.
>What if your opinion of "wrong" differs with that of the government's?
in that case i would be breaking the law, wouldn't i?
>>55263084
The people vote for the government, the government doesn't elect itself. What they think is right, is what the majority of people think is right. If you disagree with the consensus, feel free to leave the country.
>fbi hacks my computer
>steals my dank trance productions
why are they such faggots
>>55263098
Again, did you not read the OP? The linked article is about that exact case that your friend was talking about.
>>55263040
>if you agree to an EULA that says that the government can collect the information you send
I don't remember agreeing to any government issued EULA that stated that.
>b-but some company had an EULA that said it would be okay if the government collected your information if you used their service!
No. In their EULAs they have provision for sharing data if requested, not giving the government free reign to collect data through their service. That would require ANOTHER EULA.
Anyway, the problem with this isn't about the government collecting what you post publicly or intercepting unencrypted data. Basically it means that if they can go about "hacking" anyones' computers without warrant. This means they could spread malware that would infect computers and harvest data from them without any target, without any oversight and without any obligation to destroy any data they collect.
>>55263040
>if you agree to an EULA that says that the government can collect the information you send, it's your own problem.
Seems you dont have a understanding of things
>>55263140
yea i did
you can quit trying desperatly to troll
this article talks about tor only
what i said was different
>>55263100
>because it offers me and everyone else more security.
It really doesn't. This isn't going to stop a random jihad from bombing a school bus. They'll just find other ways to communicate, or just act out on their own volition.
>in that case i would be breaking the law, wouldn't i?
I didn't know opinions against the government were illegal.
>>55263114
Most people disagree with the NSA collecting phone data, but that hasn't stopped them yet.
>>55263114
I wish it was possible to elect a good government. There is a severe lack of decent politicians and parties though.
America also has its own huge issue of it being completely legal for people to bribe, I mean financially support, politicians.
No matter what they say during election time they end up doing what whoever is filling their pockets wants.
nothin to hide m8
>>55263167
>this article talks about tor only
The ruling the judge issued didn't involve just Tor, it involves all hacking of computers.
also i heard i2p was much better than tor? wat goin on?
>>55263239
prove it
>>55263285
>Law enforcement does not need a warrant to hack someone’s computer, according to a just-unsealed court order written by a federal judge in Virginia.
Literally the first sentence of the article.
>"The implications for the decision, if upheld, are staggering: law enforcement would be free to remotely search and seize information from your computer, without a warrant, without probable cause, or without any suspicion at all," Mark Rumold, an EFF attorney, wrote. "To say the least, the decision is bad news for privacy."
>>55263285
>Judge Morgan wrote:
>Just as Justice Breyer wrote in concurrence that a police officer who peers through broken blinds does not violate anyone's Fourth Amendment rights, jd. at 103 (Breyer, J., concurring), FBI agents who exploit a vulnerability in an online network do not violate the Fourth Amendment. Just as the area into which the officer in Carter peered—an apartment—usually is afforded Fourth Amendment protection, a computer afforded Fourth Amendment protection in other circumstances is not protected from Government actors who take advantage of an easily broken system to peer into a user's computer. People who traverse the Internet ordinarily understand the risk associated with doing so. Thus, the deployment of the NIT to capture identifying information found on Defendant's computer does not represent a search under the Fourth Amendment, and no warrant was needed.
>>55263311
>Government actors who take advantage of an easily broken system to peer into a user's computer
Windows users are fucked. OSX users are fucked. Linux users may be slightly less fucked.
>>55263311
>>55263310
not enough proof
come back when you have more
>>55263390
This site is for people 18 years of age or older.
>>55263403
prove everyone on 4chan is 18+
>>55263414
Prove that you're a person and not an FBI defense bot.
you can still be targeted even if you're not doing anything illegal. just check out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
and if the snowden leak is telling us anything, it's that it's only getting worse
>>55263444
trips confirm
i will stop shilling for the fbi
Just imagine if through the use of something like PRISM, they could autonomously seek out any person's computers which contain pirated or cracked information, upload a virus to encrypt or wipe your hard-disk, and then also issue a court order (because they have everything on you, including your address) for paying a fine?
This is the road these kinds of rulings will lead to.
Imagine if it became a requirement to verify the legality of all software on your computer, AND they had the capacity to get this information, AND to enforce it.
Complete end to piracy.
>>55263548
>Piracy
>Ending
Either the Internet gets dropped in favor of meshnet mechanisms, encryption is employed, or people will resort to good old-fashioned sneakernets.
>>55263548
Sounds pretty nice.
>>55262784
I don't pay large amounts of tax so that the government can use it to treat me like a criminal, I pay tax so that society can have nice things. Only stupid cucks scared by the medias stories of terrorism would think of mass surveillance as a nice thing.
Why you shouldn't care:
You have plenty to hide but have done nothing to make prosecution worth the time and money
Cops don't cooperate, so if you're ever suspected of fucking your dog or doing drugs the NSA won't help the local PD by giving them probable cause in the form of your gay furry/erowid related web history. It's just not what they do. And it's also inadmissible in court unless you're going to a millitary tribunal and being detained indefinitely.
Why you might actually care:
You've done something VERY EVIL, like releasing academic information to plebeians who can't afford university or the hefty subscription fees for everyone outside of expensive schools, or just distributing copies of pirated text books and invalidating the world's most persistent price fixing scheme
>ITT: nobody knows the red scare happened
>ITT: friendless white males who think they aren't going to be profiled as politically subversive (while profiling anyone else is racist/sexist)
The NSA was already allowed to do this, but the FBI being allowed to do it means that your local cop can download FBI_Breakcomputer.exe and fuck your computer over.
This is a reason to install free software.
Stallman was right... AGAIN
>>55263750
>the red scare
>implying there weren't TWO red scares
>implying that the FBI didn't blackmail civil rights activists with recordings of them having sex
>>55263739
Why you should care:
The war on drugs/terror/pedos/hackers will never end and their powers will grow until there's nothing holding them back from profiling every aspect of your virtual life. They will keep granting themselves "emergency powers" that will never be reformed until one day, normies will just accept it as normality and free speech will die. You don't want freedom of speech to die, do you?
>>55263851
It's already dead
The government is a gang of power hungry men who see themselves as always knowing better. They don't protect your rights and prevent you from doing wrong, they make up right and wrong themselves and feed you bullshit about "god given rights" because the truth is too unsettling. You do not live in a utopia. You do not live in an idealistic world. You are not subservient to a god, or logic, or yourself. You are under the power of the chief. You are still a primitive thing living in a primitive society. You are villager, chief no want you to do thing that make him uncomfortable. Chief have friends with more land and goats than you. Chiefs friends also have better spears and more people who agree with them. What chief says, goes. Give chief one ear of corn for every acre farmed and no smoke the magic leaf, that only for chief.
>>55263851
Bonus points on why you should care.
A massive honey pot of peoples' personal information is also attractive to criminals and foreign powers. Don't come crying the next time a government department gets hacked and all your personal information ends up in China. Again.
>>55263851
>freedom of speech
>You can't do this drug
>You can't share that song
>You can't fuck that horse
>18 year old men can't fuck their 17 year old girlfriends
>You can't drive that fast
>You can't drive that car in the first place
>You can't give money to that arab
>You can't import that cigar
>You can't own that working bazooka
>But at least you can all talk about those things
sweet deal
so how is that so bad compared to
>And you can't say some things, either
i'd rather have perfect privacy and no freedom of speech than no privacy and all the social contracts in the world
after all, it's only wrong if the cops see you, or if someone participating doesn't actually like it, or goes missing - and is missed
>>55264035
I can't decide if this post is a red herring or false equivalence.
>>55262708
But anon-kun, you are the next Elliot Rodgers.
>>55264067
logic is a spook
the emotional is the real
>>55262875
So please tell me how many crimes and mass shootings has it prevented?
>>55264142
There was that one where the FBI convinced some dude to put on a fake suicide vest and when he "detonated" it they arrested him. Makes you wonder what would have happened if he changed the plan on them and decided to shoot the place up before blowing up.
>>55264142
When the US government says their international data collection is crime prevention, they actually mean natives taking back their country from a US backed puppet state prevention.
>>55262589
You what would be cool? To access all the files they have on you and look back at all the shitpost I've made over the pase couple of years.
>>55263040
>if you agree to an EULA that says that the government can collect the information you send, it's your own problem.
hahahahhaha is this for fucking real? government eula? get the fuck off my board underage faggot
>>55263065
Too bad to have some faggot know your browsing history you have to have some faggot have access to control your system.
>>55264520
Wrong
>became politician
>competitor shows your posted stuff in 4chan (google cache)
americans are retarded, or at least their system is
>>55262746
>IT'S $CURRENT_YEAR!
t. Trudeau
>>55262431
No man
"I have nothing to hide."
>>55261334
Because 90% of this board is reddittors not knowing their place, where the fuck do you think all those generals came from?
>>55264105
Fuck you
>>55265521
this
upvoted
>>55262630
18 gb of trap porn
>>55265685
is it gud? share some of that boi pucci
>>55262518
>>55262441
>>55261344
>>55262630
>>55262708
>>55262784
>>55262692
sure is a busy day for shills, isn't it?
>>55265740
Well, it's Sunday after all. They have more free time today.
Fuck so many cunts got triggered in the this thread.
Most of you didn't even read the article. Also, what is case law?
Fucking calm down and do your research before getting all but hurt over law enforcement prosecuting people who collect pictures and videos of grown adults abusing and hurting children. Where is your head at?
If you care about LEAs spying on you then find some applicable case law and bring that to the party.
>>55265780
the thing is if you protect journalists[by allowing anonymity] and other people who need it(think snowden) you protect criminals as well. It's a necessary evil.
What's also striking is that they DID get a warrant in this case "In this case, however, a warrant was sought and obtained.". and i don't see why they couldn't get one when there's a concrete suspicion of fucking CP
>>55265912
>Journalists and snowden need protecting but by doing so we protect criminals.
This is true on a case by case basis. There is some information everyone should know and there is some information that is in the best interests of everyone for them not to know.
>In this care there was a warrant.
I know right. So in this case there was no harm done to anyone that matters.
Therefore: /thread.
>>55262441
What if I have a Arsenal of fully automatic weapons (legal) and shit post on /g/, /pol/, and /r9k/ about how much I hate the government and certain groups.
>tfw offensive security is slowly leaving the legal gray zone
spoogy
>>55260402
>court rules 4th amendment doesn't apply to private property
Game over.
>>55263114
>gov't doesn't elect itself
That hasn't been true federally since the electoral college was put into power.
>>55264035
>18 year olds cant fuck 17 year olds
top kek, that's like saying 22 year olds cant fuck 16 year olds.
And one of those two things I personally know is possible.
how can there be people contrarian and edgy enough to support this shit?
>>55263919
>>>55263851
>It's already dead
>The government is a gang of power hungry men who see themselves as always knowing better. They don't protect your rights and prevent you from doing wrong, they make up right and wrong themselves and feed you bullshit about "god given rights" because the truth is too unsettling. You do not live in a utopia. You do not live in an idealistic world. You are not subservient to a god, or logic, or yourself. You are under the power of the chief. You are still a primitive thing living in a primitive society. You are villager, chief no want you to do thing that make him uncomfortable. Chief have friends with more land and goats than you. Chiefs friends also have better spears and more people who agree with them. What chief says, goes. Give chief one ear of corn for every acre farmed and no smoke the magic leaf, that only for chief.
>>55263919
Love this post :)
>>55266584
It's okay, if the FBI can pick your lock it means your lock was broken
>>55260402
This is bad. This is really bad.
>>55262630
Governments should make all their spendings public - they have nothing to hide.
>>55265521
Amusingly enough, the threads about this that do exist on reddit aren't packed with posts talking about having nothing to hide or defending the government's actions.
>>55261691
>23Gb collection of cp
>not using that space for non animated chinese cartoon porn comics depicting 5000 year old lolis
Have fun in prison.
>>55263739
>And it's also inadmissible in court
That's why they do parallel construction.
>>55262911
kek
