What is the best OS you've ever used, /g/? What is the worst one?
windows 98 best windows vista worst
>>55142277
>98
Yes
>Vista
Clearly you never used ME.
Windows 10 Home is the best one I've used. Linux was total shit. Who in their right mind would want to waste hours in a command prompt when you can actually get work done.
>>55142256
XP - so comfy
ME - pic related ALL THE FUCKING TIME
>>55142286
Vista was pretty fucking bad.
Mistake Edition did have some blue screen issues and generally no real updates, but a fuck ton of vista computers were shipped with 0.5 - 1gb of ram which for people who dont use computers and know better is a fucking joke. the operating system itself takes up almost all of the 1gb pc. I mean fuck sake, they were so god damn desperate and knew vista was bad that they made a way to right click your usb and "use as ram" i mean come on m8 open your eyes
>>55142343
>having active desktop enabled in the first place
Costanza
>Best
2000 Professional
>Worst
95
>>55142343
>activated active desktop
Almost as bad as those people who used it to have animated GIFs as background which took like 90% of the cpu when "idling"
XP
crank your volume and close your eyes
remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijRTCo3an8A
>>55142528
That's not how it's done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXzMBA9VU4
>>55142528
>>55142565
The 2000 one was better desu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDq9e4Qv2F8
I really liked 2000 and XP
On the other hand I've been dicking around with Mac OS 9 and rhapsody and have come to appreciate some aspects.
>>55142256
I really love my current setup of Ubuntu GNOME. It works so well.
>Best OS
OS X 10.9.4
>Worst OS
Windows 10
Not even joking
I used Win2k up to 2009 at least
In retrospect Win95 was pretty bad, but Vista was probaly the worst
>Best OS
Ubuntu 10.10
>Worst OS
Vista starter
>>55142845
>I used Win2k up to 2009 at least
Mah nigga. I completely skipped XP and went straight to 7. 2000 and 7 are the best Windows versions, everything after 7 went to absolute shit.
>>55142256
Windows 7 best
Windows me worst
Windows 98 = Best
Windows 8 = Worst
worst:
elementary os and windows me
best:
windows 8.1 and manjaro
worst would be win 8 best would be win 7 never had a problem with it.
>>55142343
I was young when my family computer had ME. I never knew this page was related, no wonder I saw this way too many times.
>>55142366
If you wanted anything other than bitmap images as the desktop background you had to enable it with pre-XP Windows.
>>55142256
best - none - i use both linux and windows because they both do things that other one cant - the key is to learn how to integrate them in your working environment
worst - anything that is too old to run any modern software - why would anyone in their own mind compare Windows 98 to Windows 7...
>>55143395
I could be wrong but even vista and 7 still converted them to bmp when putting them on the desktop
>>55143417
Vista and 7 converts everything to JPEG. Even images that are already in JPEG format.
>>55142814
Hi, Morgan.
98 > 2k > 3.11 > 10
>>55143466
7 > 2000=XP > 95 > 98 > 8 > Vista=ME > MS-DOS >>> 10
>>55143439
hey :)
>>55143526
thank you for filling in my gaps. i have to put ME higher than vista tho... i was at last able to game with fewer driver issues
Best OSL Windows XP, used that bitch even for a while after W7 came out, and still have 2 P4 PC's in my house running XP.
Worst OS: Windows Longhorn., i mean Vista.
>>55142256
Windows 95 on good hardware. Best
Windows Vista no anu hardware. Worse
>>55143632
Longhorn was actually awesome
>Best OS
Ubuntu 14.04.01
>Worst Os
Windows 2000 ME
>>55143694
Yeah, i remember having the beta of longhorn, or whatever the fuck it was. Was just a reskinned XP basically, until Microsoft decided to go in a completely different direction.
I actually used the longhorn beta for quite a while.
>>55142256
Best:
OSX 10.9
Worst:
Windows ME
>>55142256
>best
OS X Snow Leopard
>worst
Windows ME
>best
Manjaro (main os for quite some time)
>decent
Arch, Debian, Windows98, Windows7
>worst
Old ubuntu and fedora distros, many edgy linux distros, Windows 10
>>55142256
>Best
Windows 7
>Worst
OSX
>>55142256
Best: 98
Worst: 7
>best
OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard
>worst
Lubuntu
Best: BeOS or Windows 2000
Worst: Windows 10. I got so sick of its shit I had to go back to Windows 7.
Android honeycomb
Best - Win 3.0/3.1/95/98SE/2000/XP & 7
(Never used Win 98 first release)
Worst - ME/Vista/10. Only good thing about ME was it had drivers for USB mass storage bult right in. But at the time those devices cost a lot and the storage was limited (64/128mb) so that feature was poorly touted.
>>55143954
Beos was the tits
God tier:
Win 2k, XP and 7
Decent tier:
98
Bad tier:
95, 8.1
Shit tier:
Vista, ME, 8 and 10
>>55142256
Best OS would be Linux-based operating systems, the worst one would be OS/2
>all of these people answering only Windows versions in here
Are you all fucking retarded or did you never, ever leave your OS comfort zone?
>>55142256
best: Win 7
worst: Win 98
>>55143741
Carlos?
QNX NT4 and Novell 3.12
Best: XP
Worst: Meme Edition
Looks like there are a bunch of kids in this thread. Someone please find an adult.
>>55142350
vista was fine after sp1. most people never really bothered to find out because they wanted to keep using xp forever anyway.
me was a horrendous piece of wretched shit for the entirety of it's existence. it was shit universally on every system i've ever used it on and nobody ever bothered to fix it.
>>55142256
Best: 7
Worst: GeOS
I've never experienced Me but I did have 2000 and I never experienced problems with it.
Was also able to play the games I wanted to play on it.
Though I've never been a big gamer.
Why do I only very rarely ever see 2000 mentioned any way?
Was it a snowflake OS?
best: el capitan or ubuntu 7.10
worst: w10
>>55144205
it was not marketed as a consumer version of windows
>>55144235
>not marketed as consumer version
>Still best choice for consumers
Win 7 for gaming
CentOS 6.8 for development
>Worst: Windows 10
t. a 13 year old
go ahead and call me a shill now because you don't know what a shit version of windows looks like.
>>55143466
>98 better than 2k
I love these threads because you can really tell who actually used a computer 15-20 years ago and who's just an underage faggot memeing
>>55144205
Win2k never caught on in home environments because a lot of games didn't work on it because they were written for DOS and not NT. It was also not actually a consumer version of Windows (which is what ME was supposed to be). By the time XP came out, it was also a piece of trash until the SP came around, after which it gained some rapid adoption. Not everyone played the game or used the software which relied on DOS anymore, and those who still did either found workarounds or could do emulation.
>>55143466
98SE or 98?
>>55144205
>>55144276
>By the time XP came out, it was also a piece of trash until the SP came around, after which it gained some rapid adoption
By this I mean that XP was a piece of shit until it was patched.
Where do I download a w98 official iso?
>>55144319
Why would you? It won't run on your machine anyway.
>>55144332
why not? it will not run in a thinkpad???
>>55144342
Just get ubuntu or something.
Why w98?
Imagine how fast win98 would be on an SSD these days. I remember running quake on a ramdrive and it was glorious! FYI kids ramdrives were a thing before you were born.
>>55144355
I like it.
>>55144319
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>>55144360
Isn't old ram still faster than a modern SSD?
>Imagine how fast win98
There are still ultra lightweight Linux distros to try out.
>>55144246
this was in 1999, when some people were still running DOS programs, windows 2000, being NT-based, has poor support for DOS programs
they were actually working on a consumer version anyway, codenamed Neptune
>>55144416
I haven't seen a comparison lately nor thought about it. THe older stuff 440BX days or older you would always have a North and South bridge and today on die memory controllers. There could be trade offs that might make that the case I don't know.
>>55144342
It wouldn't know what the fuck to do on an UEFI system
It can't handle USB particularly well, and you wouldn't have the drivers for the USB controller
Modern ACPI is going to be a clusterfuck on Win98
Addressing of large memory might be an issue
Probably won't know what to do with non-IDE data transfers such as SATA
Video drivers is going to be a absolute pain to find if not impossible
Speaking of drivers, all of your hardware will probably end up driverless
>>55142295
You're shilling wrong, Pajeet.
It's supposed to be awesome that windows finally has bash support, even though it's been cross platform since day 1.
>>55144497
True
Yay, Microsoft.
Best: XP
Worst: ME
Vista wasn't even close to the shit ME was. Also XP takes points when compared to 7 because low resource consumption,universally compatibility with every Windows program made, ability to run MS-DOS programs without Dos-Box and aesthetically pleasing visuals ( I'm not a fan of W7 design). Vista was the best regarding aesthetics though.
Been a windows faggot since 3.1 and only recently started using Ubuntu. I like it a lot, I can definitely see the up sides of being able to configure everything and having the power to delete what you want.
I have also been using my GFs old 2007 macbook with osx 10.7 and it's bretty gud. It feels a bit babby tier but migrating from HDD to SSD was a piece of piss. I wouldn't have thought apple would just let you stick the HDD in a usb enclosure and boot from it. I'd love for windows to be able to do that.
>best
Windows XP/7
>Worst
Vista
Gentoo>Windows 7>Arch>Windows XP>Windows 2000>Windows Vista>Ubuntu
>>55142256
>best
IRIX
>user-friendly as fuck
>breddy good UI
>useful pre-load applications
>excellent creativity-oriented software base (but barely any standard office software for obvious reasons, but that's what X forwarding is for)
>solid as fuck unless your SCSI chain is made of loose drives and duct tape
>way ahead of its time in many regards
>worst
Windows 3.x (+DOS)
>G A R B A G E interface that makes even 1280x1024 look like 640x480 and can't utilize higher color levels properly, if at all
>file system management through the graphical utility is absolute ass
>the program manager model is absolute ass
>driver installation and networking is a pain
>DOS, being DOS, is a shitty kludge
>>55142256
Best: Debian
Worst: Windows 10
>>55142256
Debian
>>55144733
http://niceme.me/
Best:
OpenSUSE, RHEL, W7
Worst:
MacOS, OS X
So glad I got out of the media production industry. Literally filled with brainless idiots who believe every single line of bullshit out of Apple marketing.
>while working at one place
>"PPC is the only way to go, x86 is antiquated shit that will be gone in 10 years"
>one week after apple abandons PPC
>"holy shit intel is amazing, apple does it again! gentlemen we are at the stepping stone of a revolution in computing, remember this day"
>meanwhile we're suffering daily crashes, systems shitting themselves for no reason, and having to drive 80+ miles to the nearest apple store because getting it serviced anywhere else will void the warranty on the $3000 system
>2 months after one such repair one of the systems just lets out a loud bang and starts to smoke up the entire room
>"IT" guy in charge of managing the office macs still defending how macs are better than "winblows" even though management and accounting who use windows never seem to have any of the issues we get
Apple should straight up release all their Mac and iProducts with built in cyanide gas release systems and do the world a favor.
best: OS X 10.4
worst: crunchbang
>>55144981
>smoke
that totally happened m8
>>55144682
>babby tier
>windows doesn't even have bash
>>55142256
>What is the best OS you've ever used, /g/?
Windows 10
>What is the worst one?
Windows 10
2000
ME
ME could barely have a 24 hour uptime without shitting the bed
>>55145080
98 actually crashed after a certain amount of uptime by design.
>>55145041
>BAbby's first SHell
lmao
>>55142256
All my OS installations have the look and feel of Win2000.
>>55145092
>by design.
Wat?
>>55145195
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/216641
>>55143795
10.6.8 was so awesome!
Recently tried newer versions, wtf has Apple done wtf
100
Best: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, DOS,
Worst: Windows CE, Windows 3.0, Windows ME,
>>55144788
>G A R B A G E interface
Please elaborate.
>DOS, being DOS, is a shitty kludge
DOS was a lot better without Windows.
I've never used a good operating system.
>>55142343
Didn't see this one in a while
Best:
Windows 8.1. Not even fucking kidding.
Worst:
It's a tie between Windows 10 and Windows ME IMO. Used to say Vista, but by the time Vista was a year old a lot of problems were fixed which is more than I can say for 10.
Windows 10 x64 LTSB
Ubuntu is horribly clunky on my shitty laptop, strangely enough.
Best: Fedora 23
Worst: OS X
>>55148587
What DE/WM are you using? I'm using Gnome 3 with no issues on an old Dell craptop.
>>55142256
Best: Arch and Windows 7
Worst: Mint and Vista
>>55142256
Best - Solaris 8 on Sun Ultra 10.
Worst - MacOS 9 on PowerBook G3 (Pismo)
Best: Windows 7
Worst: Windows Me (just shitty) or Windows 10 (botnet)
Keep in mind, I use Linux now.
Best: Windows 7
Worst: Windows XP (pre service packs)
XP was terribly unstable. Had to turn the computer on and off every 24hrs otherwise it would BSOD.
>>55143526
A well-considered opinion
>>55142256
>best OS
Gentoo
>>55142256
Best = Windows 7
Worst = Windows ME, way too many blue screens. Everything was a blue screen. I switched over to Windows 2000 as soon as I had it available.
>>55142565
>>55142631
Nice try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3sP-KbrGk
best: Fedora 23
Worst : vista
best OS X 10.6.8
worst ME
>>55150242
vista was way better than xp
>>55142256
>best
Ubuntu 9.10
>worst
Windows 10
Based on use and experience with, I'm no technical expert on their inner workings.
>Best
Windows 7/10 (7 is my favorite, but I've had not a single issue with 10 thus far minus what I consider a worse UI in some aspects)
>Worst
Windows Vista (Used it for like 3 weeks, nothing but problems, some of his is probably my stubbornness at the time/unwilling to change)
>>55150317
yeah anyone that says Vista sucked never gave it a chance.
The security was massively improved and it was much needed even though the poor communication between vendors and microsoft was pretty bad (I recall Nvidia not making a working driver for quite a few months after Vista came out)
It sure it ran on shitty PCs but if you had a decent PC it ran nearly as fast as XP did from a user standpoint.
After SP1 it was a great OS and after SP2 it was essentially just Windows 7 for the most part
>>55150460
>never gave it a chance
Or gave it a chance for a full year and made up their mind based on pre-SP1 functionality.
>>55150460
>anyone that says Vista sucked never gave it a chance.
Anyone that says Vista sucked likely upgraded from a 256MB piece of shit, or bought a 256MB piece of shit "budget" system.
Vista was fine on any system with 1GB+, and far better than XP ever was.
>>55148419
>Please elaborate.
I did. Maybe it was good when it was all there was, but when you've used newer or competing platforms, it really falls short. It feels much more ineffective at utilizing screen space than System 7 or later Windows versions, the program manager model is just plain annoying to work with, likewise for the file manager. Overall, I can use it, but I don't really enjoy it.
>DOS was a lot better without Windows.
Yeah it was more solid that way, but aside from the 8-character filename limits, damn that shell is braindead after you get used to a *nix environment, plus while the primitiveness of it means there's nothing to break, it means it's more vulnerable to being mishandled by shit software and can need annoying extensions for things like networking.
Windows 7.
I had so little time to enjoy it...
>>55151083
Nothing's stopping you from still enjoying it
>>55143395
You could bypass this by setting the image using a web browser, Irfanview, etc, since they convert it to .bmp or something like that.
>>55150637
I had 4GB of DDR2 and a dual core Pentium D yet it still ran like dogshit. Everyone saying Vista was great obviously was a richfag with /g/ tier hardware.
>>55151684
>Pentium D
Found your problem.
>>55142256
Best? That's subjective, probably Kubuntu back in the KDE 3 days, as of right now I like Ubuntu Gnome edition, the worst though? Probably Fedora.
Best: Win7 Ultimate / 98SE / 2000 Professional / Win10 Enterprise
Worst: ME / 95 / Vista / Win10 Pro / 8&8.1
>>55142256
Best: OSX for unixes, Windows Vista for non-unixes
Worst: Windows 7.
>best
trisquel GNU/Linux 7.0
>worst
Windows 10
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition (not the 64-bit Edition which was for Itaniums only)
Fastest fucking OS I've ever used (and after a few decades I've used pretty much all the ones of consequence from AS400 mainframe stuff through traditional desktop OSes and hundreds of Linux distros).
That damned OS is just wicked fucking fast, sad to see it faded away and never really took hold like it could have. Shitty driver support from manufacturers (not name brand manufacturers, however, just shitty hardware makers) proved to make it nothing but trouble but if you had good quality name brand hardware like I always do it was never an issue.
Lightning fast, I might have to reinstall it sometime now that I use SSDs and see just how much faster it can really be. Rock solid stability in my experience of using it, but the day I got my hands on the first Windows 7 beta long ago I knew it was time to move on and Windows 7 remains my primary OS to this day and for many many more to come.
HATERS GONNA HATE
>Best
Windows 2000. No doubt.
>Worst
Android Marshmallow. How the fuck did they go from the glorious OS that was KitKat to this piece of shit?
>>55152387
>continuing...
Worst? Windows 10, period, hands down, even worse than the Windows 8/8.1 abomination and I won't use it. I did grab the Enterprise LTSB to do some research a few weeks ago, installed it in a VM, still nothing to like about it whatsoever.
Just a useless OS they're shoving down people's throats for no good reason.
Protip: Don't believe the hype about DX12 and Windows 7 not being "technically" capable of supporting it, that's not true at all and Microsoft had several builds of Windows 7 at a developer conference with DX12 supported natively along with some dev drivers from AMD/ATI and Nvidia showing it was possible but the hardware makers didn't want to keep supporting Windows 7 - it wasn't a Microsoft decision entirely, it was the hardware OEMs pushing to move on.
Regardless, Windows 10 is the worst thing Microsoft has ever produced for a wide swath of reasons.
>best
windows vista. my first real OS.
>worst
Ubuntu
Best: openSUSE 12.3 Was stable as monolith
Worst: Windows 8. I know that ME was terrible, but memories about that fukken UI are too fresh.
>>55142256
>What is the best OS you've ever used, /g/? What is the worst one?
>best
XP pro
>worst
Windows 10 pro
Windows 10 never again. The amount of bugs, driver problems and "something went wrong" -screens are going to keep me away from that piece of shit forever. I remember when Vista was the worst but I would rather use it than 10. I think I will be using Linux only after few years when 7 dies out.
>Best
Windows XP
>Worst
Mac OSX 10.11
Honestly macs all went to shit after 10.9, But fucking El Capitan is such a bug riddled shit-fest that it made me roll back to Mountain Lion.
Ah well, I only use a macbook for uni.
>>55142256
Vista was almost unsable on my old pc, didn't even finish the install.
>people saying vista was the worst
At the age of 9, I built my first PC with parts my dad bought.
>build pc
>works
>install ME
>after two weeks it fucks up
>format
>reinstall
>repeat ad nauseum for a year
>think that I failed my father
>install Windows 2000
>works fine
fuck you macro$haft.
On the plus side, I learnt more about backups that year than ever.
Fortunately I already knew how to use DOS from my windows 3.1 days, so formatting wasn't much of an issue.
>What is the best OS you've ever used, /g/?
Slackware.
>What is the worst one?
Windows ME, easily.
>>55142256
Best is honestly windows vista-10
Worst is 98SE-XP mainly because of the viruses and bugs.
every time i go back to a older pc with xp or even 7 with a oldass broken slow hdd i cringe
>>55142256
>Best
Arch
>Worst
Windows 95
>>55154583
Also to really think about it, Win7 was amazing when I first started using it.
Win10 on the other hand is probably the most cancerous inconsistent piece of shit I've ever ran on my computer, but I never even considered it as a real option.
Windows 2000 was fucking amazing on its time. Best Windows eva.
On the other hand, Me was shitty shit. It barely worked.
7
vista
>Best
Windows 7
>Worst
OS X
>>55145239
That does not, in any way, mean they designed it too be that way.
WINDOWS CE
My favorite
>vista
Least favorite
>8
Inb4 bait, i genuinely liked vista
Windows ME is the best version of Win9x after you download the unofficial service pack for it.
>removed obsolete real mode DOS for faster boot times
>native USB storage support
>introduced 3D Pinball and internet board games
>uses the more stable Win2k TCP/IP stack
>first Windows with image thumbnails
>better file type association
>>55142256
>best
Windows 7/OSX 10.5.8
>worst
Windows 8, shit was counterproductive on desktop.
What's up with all the windows 10 hate? It works flawless on my five year old system.
>>55142343
Fucking nostalgia
>>55161967
I hate it because of the botnet and the forced updates, ffs I have a 2mbps connection, downloading an update takes half an hour
>>55162388
>2mbps
god-tier if you consider i'm still on 56k tops.
>>55142256
Best is linux mint, worst windows vista, 8 and 10. I can't believe that someone would pay money for that windows carbage.
>>55162411
>56kbps
Jesus how do you live
>>55162411
>56k
>6
>k
Jesus how do you live
>>55162411
>56k
Damn brings back memories of watching porn in 3kbps in dialup and while the image loads, someone would pickup the phone or still the connection would get interrupted.
Best: Arch
Worst: Arch
>>55162594
literally this
>>55162496
>>55162478
It does the job. And i can't ask anything else, our zone is pretty much on it's own when it comes with coverage. We literally have only one provider, and it's shit.
>>55162622
How's youtube on 56k
>>55162644
If i'm lucky i get to watch 720/480p, if i wait some time. Otherwise 360 is the norm. Hell, youtube also downgrades quality automatically to 240.
>>55162693
no way you can watch 360p on 56k, its like 1mbps bitrate
>>55162644
What the shit is this
>>55162732
the picture?
>>55162747
Yeah
>>55162726
Fucking magic. I seriously don't know.
>>55162755
Picture of a bridge in my town I edited to be vapormemey
>>55162761
actually i know they can dynamically scale the bitrate down to 300kbps but even still, could you do a speedtest cause maybe you have better than 56k
>>55162786
Doing it right now, i'm still waiting for the upload test to finish.
>>55142256
BEST: FreeDOS
(hail software libre)
WORST: MDOS
>>55162809
probably shouldn't have asked, how the fuck are you gonna upload an image
>>55162809
I think it won't finish anytime soon.
But i'm sure any program i have works between 65-23kbps. 65 is achieved on night time without any other client connected, which is right now in my timezone, while 23 during the rest of the day.
>>55162870
Oh, i think that's the speedtest, i uploaded images before and it works.
>>55162411
I feel your pain, I to was stuck to shitty dial-up from 1997-2014. Limitation of where I was living at the time. Could get satellite internet but the high ping rate plus cost/setup fees made it worthless.Think god I was able to make the jump to 10 meg cable when I moved.
>>55142256
>best
GNU/Linux
>worst
any version of Winshit from 95 to XP
best: win xp, win 7
worst: AIX, just about any linux
>>55142565
Wait, there was install music for XP?
What the fuck is this?
My best is win 7. I actually loved Vista. Then again I had a Q6600 in 2007 with 2 (months later 8) gb ram so it was never laggy for me. XP felt pretty bad for me. It always felt dated. My worst OS was windows 10 insider preview. I've yet to try the full version but I'm not in any rush.
>>55162411
How do you get this?
I never had higher than 33.6 kbps.
>>55165866
>>55162411
Do you two happen to live in the middle of NOWHERE?!
>>55142256
>best
Windows XP, I did a lot on that pc
>worst
Windows 10, Hate the look, hate the features and hate the fact that they're trying to dumb down Windows for normalfags by saying "we" all the time in the errors with no real description of what happened.
>>55142256
Best
7 or xp
Both ran great
Worst
ME, win8 and xp service pack 3
Never had vista fortunatley
>best
server 2003
>worst
95
the only other os i used are debian, 2k, and xp
