This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that is required to make a fine watch.
Required viewing for newbies:
http://youtu.be/508-rmdY4jQ
Strap guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE
First for reminder that manufacturers charge hundreds of $ extra just to include this one part.
Bought my first watch. Did I do ok?
Also would it look ok with a black leather band?
>>55030675
Looking at something like this.
How do normal people wear leather straps ?
I sweat enough that I'd destroy it in one day
what is the word on watches from india?
>>55030797
By not being a sweaty pig, duh.
>>55030811
It's impossible during summer.
>>55030797
Leather straps are just a pain in the summertime to be honest. You could try a racing strap, or just give up and go for nato or perlon.
>>55030675
Yes and I guess so but leather on a diver is a big no no for some people. What about a black nato strap?
>>55030807
They're shit.
>>55030675
I dunno anon, would black leather shoes look ok with swim trunks?
>>55030675
>>55030936
i put raw leather straps on my cheap divers. i think it would be analogous to wearing birkenstocks with swimming trunks. that being said, smooth leather would look stupid on any diver other than a very subtle/understated one.
pic related is kind of strap i mean, in black or dark brown looks nice with a nice stainless steel dive case imo. on a rolex is pushing it though but i'm not home. to show my amphibia
>>55030877
What about natural rubber?
How well does it handle moisture/ sweat / summer?
>>55031321
Why do you think they're often used on dive watches?
Why the fuck are these replacement batteries for solar watches $25?
>>55031528
Because they aren't harmed by water?
Too bad his question was about how sweaty they are to wear.
Is there a guide for how to fix a Quartz watch and where to find parts?
>>55030797
You're fat, aren't you? Look for water resistant leather straps from Hirsch or Fluco. They're surprisingly breathable.
>>55030807
Be very careful and don't spend alot.
The quality will disappoint
>>55032128
Watch repair talk on YouTube has some quartz repair videos
I miss my SKX013. Goddamn the Mako is starting to get annoying to use, i need more watches but i don't have the money.
Also i've been avoiding these threads lately because of this, well, kinda.
>inb4 arts school shitstorm
>>55032128
Unless it's an expensive movement (quartz or mech) it will be fixed by simply being replaced. Why bother servicing a movement that costs under a couple hundred dollars?
>>55032239
Actually normal weigh. I am just naturally sweaty.
And living in Washington DC doesn't help. This place is a swamp during summer
>>55031084
I want to get one of those kangaroo leather natos, but so few retailers carry them for a reasonable price in the US. Hodinkee's are perpetually out of stock (at least the brown 20mms), and also a bit too expensive. Crown and Buckle doesn't have the color that I want (tan or honey brown). Natostrap.com ships from Ausfailia and doesn't respond to my emails...
>>55032425
>>55032128
More like under $50 in most cases.
>>55032437
Why not ask josef? He's a stand up Bogan
>>55032431
>>55032239
>>55030797
Fair enough, but most normies who wear them spend their days going from air-conditioned homes to air-conditioned cars to air-conditioned offices and back.
>>55032431
Wear it loose enough where you can move it up and down your arm. And of course metal bracelets are king in hot weather. So good.
That's why I'd always buy a watch on a bracelet if one is offered, and then swap to leather as desired. Unless of course the bracelet is shit.
My habring came on a hirsh strap, sailcloth front, with a sort of rubberish back, that one's actually pretty nice regardless of weather from what I've experienced. But I can't find anything quite anything like it online, not even on their own website, they just have calf skin embossed like sailcloth and a different back. It was made for habring specifically, but it's interesting they don't offer the material on any of their normal straps.
what is the consensus with tag heuer watch?
My dad got me one for graduation and it looks expensive as fck but it's too large and the rotating bezel doesnt rotate and heavy for a sissy like me.
I was hoping to get a smart watch like the apple watch / samsung gear S2 or something that would fit my wrist.
Currrently I am using a seiko snk 5 cause of its small watch face.
>>55032828
>what is the consensus with tag heuer watch?
Dogshit impressionable yuppies buy.
Ayyy look what just came in
>>55032951
Welcome to the club, what sort of band will you be putting it on?
Straight from the post office courtesy of Mr. Singh. It's already lost 15 seconds from when I first wound it.
What color NATO/perlon would you guys suggest? I'm thinking grey or blue.
>>55032970
Im gonna keep it on this NATO until I have money to blow on a nice shark mesh or engineer bracelet.
Also r8 my poorfag collection. Still need to add a g shock 5610 and a nice protrek and a few more digitals
>>55033047
>I've spent a lot of money on the worst stuff I could find
Any advice for searching for actual American Hamiltons?
>>55032692
>My habring
Is there any real way to see these without ordering one sight unseen? I've always liked the Felix.
What % of his annual income should a proper gentleman spend on a watch?
>>55033907
≤100% of net worth
>>55030500
But what is it anon?
>>55032437
>>55032554
Any suggestions would be welcomed. I'd prefer not to spend more than $85 usd or wait 2+ weeks for transpacific shipping, that's all. I got a dark brown 18mm one and would like a tan 20mm one. They're so thin and comfy. Pic related.
>>55033818
Is there no AD near you?
>>55034363
Oh shit, never really noticed the list of AD's on the website. Looks like the nearest to me AD is still ~150 miles away but it looks like they have quite a selection of brands. Still 150 miles away, though.
>>55033098
>Falling for marketing
Hipsters wear apple watches
I've loved databanks since I saw my first one in the 1st grade
>>55032692
Which rubber Hirsch rubber strap would you recommend on a standard Speedy?
>>55034862
I haven't used any of their straps other than what they make for Habring. You'd have to read reviews online. I've heard good things about Sinn rubber as well.
Hey goys, recently got an alpinist and ride a motorbike most places. Will the vibration and movement from the bike damage the watch mechanisms?
>>55035006
Depends how much your handlebars vibrate. If you put it in a pocket on your torso it should be fine. I generally use my g-shock on motorcycles, but otherwise it goes in inner jacket pocket or something.
>>55035006
Have a look in the handbook that comes with it
Watches aren't all that fragile, but vibrations on a motorbike can be pretty substansial and go for a long duration. Put it in a pocket if you are worried
>>55034735
>bragging about your taste not improving since you were a first-grader
>>55031547
Because rechargeable batteries cost money you fucking cro-magnon moron.
>>55034207
A hacking lever. To stop the seconds hand.
>>55035006
I killed several 7S26 movements cycling on country roads near my house, haven't done the same with my 6R15 but it has withstood other forms of abuse just fine.
I would personally recommend a quartz watch if you're going to ride a motorbike. Or a Vostok, you can't hurt Vostoks, I chop wood with my 2414 and it just does not give a shit. Otherwise keep the 6R15 in a pocket or something as NineFag suggested.
>>55035043
>>55035079
>>55035138
Alright thanks
>>55035138
>watch batteries are dirt cheap
>rechargeable batteries are dirt cheap
>rechargeable watch batteries are not dirt cheap
??????
>>55034332
Ill have a look at postage and see if it's worth it for you, what state postcode are you in?
Just got a sewing machine. Time to plan out a watch strap.
anyone here have a Seiko Shogun or are you all poorfags telling yourselves you'll never need a "better" diver than the scubadude?
Glorious 1985 Swiss meme
>>55035861
>no shitload of text on the dial
Good.
Bought my first German wall watch
why hasn't there been a company that automates the whole mechanical watch construction thing so that sane people could actually afford them? 15k for a complicated watch is fucking insane in 2016
>>55036099
>$15k
>insane
>>55036099
How complicated/precise do you think the machinery would need to be to make such a watch? If anything it would drive the price up.
>>55036099
One of the draws of mechanical watches is that they've required skilled human hands to bring them into being. Particularly at the higher end.
People want their spring drive minute repeaters to have the gongs made by a blacksmith, whos father was a blacksmith, and grandfather was a blacksmith, and great grandfather was a blacksmith, and great great grandfather was a blacksmith, etc. They say Munemichi Myochin is the 52nd generation of blacksmith.
>>55036034
could they have made those hands look any more like a cock and balls?
>>55036219
>>55036219
Dude are you retarded? We have machines that move individual atoms I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be so difficult to automate making a watch
>>55036233
>Dude are you retarded?
Oh, anon...
>>55036233
and those machine produce consumer goods at non-"insane" prices?
>>55036233
So would using the machines you're referring to make the watch cheaper?
>>55036099
>why hasn't there been a company that automates the whole mechanical watch construction
It's called the Swatch Sistem51 and you should probably stay away from it. They can never be repaired, you just throw them away. I can't find the link now but somebody did a literal teardown of one and it's got some plastic parts where every other company uses metal for them and the timegrapher reading was bad. Some people like them and say they haven't had any problems but others have had problems right out of the box so obviously quality is very hit or miss.
>>55036251
is everyone in this thread fucking with me? the circuitry in your phone doesn't cost 15k even though it's millions of times more complicated to build. 4chan somehow got even dumber
>>55036290
my point is there can't possibly be a reason why a person has to make these instead of machines, you should be able to at least produce whatever the most complicated and expensive watch better and cheaper by cutting out the human assembly
>>55036300
You must be the only one here who isn't dumb. Bully for you. I bet it's like that everywhere you go, too.
>>55036290
One of the main things was "It's all held together withe one screw!" which was a big lie. It's now held together with 1 screw because they made it functionally the entire movement 2 pieces by soldering everything else together, the screw just holds on the oscillating weight to the entire movement which is now considered "one piece."
>>55036300
Well then the answer is obvious.
You need to get your hands on those machines and start making amazing watches and making huge profits.
>>55036347
so you're saying I'm wrong in my logic, could you explain the magical watch construction that can't be reproduced artificially? because I'm ignorant and would love to learn
>>55036354
As someone who lives in Los Angeles I want to like Weiss but wish they'd make something a little smaller for my 6.5" bitchwrists. Are you a fan of them 9gag?
>>55036362
>so you're saying I'm wrong in my logic
I don't think you're really made any logical argument, just an ill-informed opinion. Watch production only recently saw any success in complete automation >>55036290
In fact, complete automation of anything is very difficult. Much more difficult than you might realize. While car assembly lines use a LOT of machines, and are some of the best examples of automation, it still takes a worker to put the doors on. You can see it on Ford, you can see it on Porsche.
Even your example of the phone -- what would happen if we went to phone factory? We'd see rows and rows of workers completing tasks manually.
Complete automation takes significant time, effort and quite a lot of production to make a return on. This is why extremely high volume items like cans and bottles do well.
>>55036459
He wants to have American become a premier watchmaking country again, that's cool view. The watches themselves have a fine look about them, but they're not anything amazing, and still largely swiss components.
If I received one as a gift I'd wear it. I don't plan on purchasing one.
>>55036562
I guess maybe the market for expensive watches must be shrinking at a ridiculous rate, I mean really the size of your dick must be directly related to how expensive and absurd you car and watch is. I understand you think it's art worth that money but it's just silly
>>55036178
No doubt one day anon will accidently find a vacheron for over 1 million and wet his pants while screaming and crying
>>55036227
Hahaha I'm never going to unsee that now you pervert!
German phallic clock
>>55036300
Actuality is phone circuitry is orders of magnitude less complex than a gyro tourbillon and the materials are alot cheaper
>>55036622
I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say, but I will mention that the watch industry has seen pretty significant growth at the high end over the last 10 years.
>>55036689
He's saying you have a small penis, ninefag.
youtubed fake vs real DW. hilarity ensued.
basically some other company by the name of Eugéne Farcot has been commenting a lot on DW youtube videos, trying to and failing at raising brand awareness of their line of the DW clone.
their channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClOe67qR_WBa9PHVIfRaykA
then I found their FB page pic related
>>55031528
sup TGV
>>55033047
nice to know that another anon has the databank. I actually use mine daily. wish it had day/date instead of dual time crap.
nice pulsar btw
fake or real DW?
>>55035092
watches are tools breh :D
>>55036327
yeah, let's automate a hospital. nice idea
>>55036622
t. sour grapes fox
>>55036631
>>55036689
"oh wow. it's like millionaires/billionaires are consumers and can be watch enthusiasts too!"
his ignorance hurts.
cirno chan, ignore the dumbass pls
>>55030371
Watch this nigger.
>>55036747
bro automated hospitals will save millions of lives. You watch fucks fetishize luddite thinking like somehow there's nobility in doing things the old fashioned way
>>55036848
go build some robots and make your own hospital breh. nobody is stopping you
do build the automated ambulance drivers, janitors, nurses, doctors, diet aides, counselors, therapists, CNAs, administrators, technicians, etc...
your overreliance of technology is a sign of advanced autism
seek some non robotic medical help.
you can thank me later or don't. :D
>>55036824
ebin maymay my friend. here's your (you)
>got hammered
>went on ebay
>type in hmt
>browsing watches
>see one ad that had 38 seconds left on it
>drunk mind panics and thinks "THAT'S ENDING SOON QUICK BID ON IT"
>bid without even looking at watch
>six dollars w/ free shipping
>one of those glashutte 60's style dials with a blue dial
i guess it could've been worse, i just don't think i'm ready for the curry stench when the box inevitably gets to my home
pic related, it's the left watch with a powder blue dial
>>55036981
>>55036981
lol yeah because everything you're mentioning isn't technology. You literally think like a luddite man. in 15 years you'll be complaining about the same shit while a car drives you safely wherever you want and a robot builds all your shit. Same people who bitch about Google while using all of Google's services.
>>55036362
Semiconductors are just etched in place from a single wafer. Actually fitting multiple parts together is a hard problem for automation and usually done by hand.
New Komandirskie K-39 models.
God dammit Vostok, i don't have enough shekels for all the new models. I guess i'll got for one of the new regular dirskies and one of the models on the left of this pic.
>Stainless steel,
>automatic,
>200m,
>display back.
>Tritium
>24 hour hand, some models
>24 hour day/night disk on some models
>>55037514
I like that GMT
>>55036327
because watchmaking is an art.
I don't say that to sound fruity or high and mighty or anything really. I say that only to indicate that the machines required to fully automate high end watch manufacture, assembly, and regulation do not exist.
The fact is if they did, they would be used, especially by Swatch group and other companies that make "Swiss Made" watches.
There is also no reason to spend the money to develop these machines because the resulting cheaper product will never offset the cost of developing the technology.
I guess a better word than Art, would be Craft. Watchmaking is a craft, and as such, it requires a human touch if it is to be made to any degree of excellence. Every craft is this way.
>>55037928
I guess I understand why it hasn't been done up to this point, but I mean soon you're going to have cheap robots as dexterous as humans with the ability to watch what you do and learn by example. it's not that I don't appreciate the work and thought that go into these watches, they're beautiful. I just honestly would like to buy one and there's no way I'll ever spend anywhere near the money they cost.
I'm looking for a PVD cushion case chronograph with some automotive inspiration. Does such a thing exist? I also have a ETA 7750 sitting around somewhere if anyone knows of a case matching this description.
>>55032828
Well marketed watches that should cost at least half what they do.
They also need to drop the 'TAG' from the brand as the TAG Group are nothing to do with them now and they were last decent when they were just Heuer. Pic related.
>>55038445
Hilariously he turned down an Omega for this film because he thought they'd use his name to market their product. It'd be nice to see someone using a watch for reasons other than marketing. At the moment i'm not worth enough to try them all for myself. It'd be nice to get some honest information once in a while.
>>55037963
So, in conclusion, you're just butthurt because you can't afford one.
>remain assblasted and gtfo
>>55038484
Yeah, his watch of choice in his personal life seemed to be a no-date Sub.
>>55038621
Diving. Driving. I think he's confused, though I can seem the similarity.
>>55038764
I lol'd
>>55038438
Here we go famalam.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Valjoux-7750-black-chronographe-case-with-dial-hands-NOS-swiss-made-/222127299167?hash=item33b7d19a5f:g:i3wAAOSwubRXHLwU
Though you can just search eBay for 7750 case and they pop up rather easily.
>>55038484
But didn't he use HEUER for marketing purposes? so they probably just had a better offer.
>>55032951
Seriously, why won't Casio make steel-cased F91Ws and Gshocks again? Do they really hate money?
They could cancel all their fucking ranges and do nothing other than steel terrorists, and they would make billions.
>>55037514
FUCKING HELL AND I JUST BOUGHT ONE. FUCKING COMMUNISTS
>>55036099
The watch industry is due another visit by Clayton Christensen. The industry is having a taste already by the smart watches and people making watch faces based on famous *expensive* brands, as apps costing a few dollars. We are talking orders of magnitudes in difference here.
My guess is that 3D printing will do this. Already you can have wall watches made by 3D printing and many of these are really cool and with complications like moon phase. Look up "wooden clocks" too.
Perhaps 10 years from now you sketch up a face, email this to China and 2 weeks later your unique made to spec watch arrives. Switzerland implodes.
>>55039649
F91w is meant to be a cheap, disposable piece of shit. It makes no sense for them to use steel.
>>55036327
The watchmaking industries presently earns a LOT by the present state of affairs (Swiss, Japanese etc) and have zero interest in rocking the boat.
Of course it can be automated. I have working with photolith and know the tech is all there already. It is a matter of time before someone disrupts the field by putting these things together. Ulysse Nardin came close in using silicon parts but going fully micromech or MEMS is merely a matter of time.
It will just not be done by the established companies. Look up Clayton Christensen, this is straight out of his text books.
Meanwhile people will say fully automated production will be
- impossible
- sub standard
- unwanted by customers
- irrelevant
And they have said so in the past as entire industries went from craftmanship to mass production, ranging from shoes and clothing to riflemaking, glassware and more. This happens every time and every time the old guard will insist, loudly, that they are *special*. Until they are not.
>>55036290
It's quite underrated though. It performs much better than many more expensive movements, and the whole "hurrrr plastic" argument only rests on the pretentious idea that plastic isn't "noble" enough to fit in an expensive mechanical watch, completely disregarding its actual properties and current uses in countless industries with critical mechanical movements.
Obviously Swatch is only trying to pay back its R&D with the Sistema51 and production costs are actually much lower than what they sell it. We'll have to wait until Swatch drops the marketing and the bullshit so that we finally have affordable mechanicals. Actually, some of the more recent Tissot models are already much cheaper somehow for a quality just as good.
Have a nice day autists.
>>55039904
>it's quite underrated though. It performs much better than many more expensive movements, and the whole "hurrrr plastic" argument only rests on the pretentious idea that plastic isn't "noble" enough to fit in an expensive mechanical watch
Tis' not entirely along those lines.
It's because the movement itself, which still uses a majority of metallic moving parts, being completely and utter garbage. Just because supposed to be and it is disposable&unserviceable doesn't mean that it has to be so poorly made in comparison to something along the lines of a Seiko 5, which costs half of the price (Or a third in some cases).
So far when it comes to QC and factory adjustments they haven't been fully able to dial that it. Movements are regulated as per digital specs but even slight variations in manufacturing will heavily implicate on the accuracy. Let alone the Swiss lying about one screw holding together the whole movement, just to cover up the fact it's all soldered in and that one screw is where they couldn't keep the costs down.
Give it a good reading and viewing first. And some of those new "80 hours PR" tissots are suffer from their own brand of issues.
http://watchguy.co.uk/review-a-trip-inside-the-swatch-sistem51-eta-c10111/
>>55040027
Those legs have never felt gravity.
>>55039819
Not saying you're wrong anon, but is there any other industry that has moved "backwards" technology wise like the watch industry after the quartz crisis?
I dunno about "special", but there is some precedent for believing that people are prepared to pay more for less when it comes to stuff like craftsmanship and heritage.
>>55039819
None of those industries are fully automated. They're 90% automated with the last 10% being reserved for human intervention because the real world has complexity that can't be trivially automated
>>55039819
>unwanted by customers
>irrelevant
If they become cheap they stop being a status symbol and suddenly nobody will give a shit because they are impractical.
>>55040070
I gave it several good readings, and so did I with other teardowns of the watch, but watchfags would rather refer to the one you linked because it supports their opinions, whereas others do not, and it completely overlooks how no human hands ever touched the parts.
It's a stepping stone to something greater, but no less dismiss it, because it wasn't perfect on the first go, and it uses "primitive" plastic parts- shall I mention that the age of steel came long before the age of plastic?
It just shows how pretention, faggy and retarded watchfags are, pretending they like "technology", while remaining completely hermetic to all kinds of innovations in watchmaking, whether automated production processes, solar-powered movement, or their greatest nemesis, QUARTZ, and the while entertaining the very myths that the moutain jews use to milk the fuck out of them.
Eat a HMT and die.
>>55040153
I don't think anyone is arguing that high mid-level/high-level watches are going anywhere. Automation would primarily impact the entry-level/low mid-level market.
>>55040167
Buddy, are you here to argue for your point or are you just raging? Cause unless it's the latter you should probably not have written the entire second part of that post.
And that is not mentioning how you fault people who don't like the movement for various fallacies, all while committing various fallacies yourself.
Maybe you should drink a big glass of milk, go to sleep and come back to this thread tomorrow?
>>55039904
Plastic parts degrade over time and will eventually create a partially or wholly useless movement. It's preferable to use metal whenever possible.
t. owner of a Seiko 5606 with a broken day-date function
What does /g/ think of this watch?
I got it for a gift a year ago and never wore it since,
also, where do I get batteries for it?
>>55034332
>>55035800
California
>>55040245
Forgot pic
>>55036099
Simple: it's because there is not a huge demand for expensive watches from people that can't afford them. The vast majority of people wear fashion watches they bought at the mall and think Rolex is the most expensive watch maker.
What many here seem to forget is that mechanical watches are a pure luxury item. They don't keep time better or have more functions than a cheap quartz watch. So there is no urgency to bring high-end watches to the masses. I am actually surprised that there still is a huge market for affordable mechanical watches. Personally I prefer saving up for something really good.
>>55034969
I think DiModell makes OEM straps for Sinn
>>55040255
I wouldn't buy one of these but it's not bad for a gift.
Batteries you can get off Ebay. Just make sure it's Renata, Varta, Energizer, etc. and not some chink garbage.
>>55040167
>It's a stepping stone to something greater, but no less dismiss it, because it wasn't perfect on the first go, and it uses "primitive" plastic parts- shall I mention that the age of steel came long before the age of plastic?
It just shows how pretention, faggy and retarded watchfags are, pretending they like "technology", while remaining completely hermetic to all kinds of innovations in watchmaking, whether automated production processes, solar-powered movement, or their greatest nemesis, QUARTZ, and the while entertaining the very myths that the moutain jews use to milk the fuck out of them.
And did i mention any of it in my post?
I said it very simply and i'll repeat myself: The movement is dogshit, the QC, soldering, and adjustment is horseshit (They are improving though), and it is still vastly inferior to a Seiko 5 that costs half of the price.
As i see it, not a lot of redeeming factors if any at all and it has nothing to do with the manufacturing process.
>>55040255
The pseudo-retro styling is kind of cool, but at the end of the day it is a Swatch, made of plastic, probably with a cheap quartz chronograph movement and not very good.
You can get batteries for it in literally any drug store; they're the small ones that you use in medical devices, car keyfobs etc. Be careful when opening it, you need to reseal the rubber gasket on the caseback with silicone grease or the watch will lose its water resistance.
>>55040252
Alright I'll check at the post office on Tuesday for you
>>55040312
He just wants to lump you in with things other people have said so he can strawmen what they said as if it has anything to do with what you said. He's posted here before and he's a fucking idiot.
>>55040167
We're OK with quartz, famalam.
>>55040345
And also somewhat trying to change the subject to something he can easily argue about. Pretty obvious famalam.
I think it's the same Swiss Swatch shill that was here a month (maybe less) ago with a orange Sistem51 defending it.
>>55040364
Well Maplebro, let's get the thread back on track.
Speaking of which, still waiting on the parts donor 5206.
>>55036459
You should visit the exhibition at the Wittmore boutique in the Arts District http://weisswatchcompany.com/blogs/news/117878021-weiss-watch-company-takeover-at-wittmore If you need motivation to get off your fat ass, there's an artisan all ice cream shop next door.
>>55040252
Just do you know, over here you can almost buy a whole roo skin for less than that 1 inch slice of leather they put metal bucks buckles on.
It's $40usd just for the strap.
I'll still look up parcel postage for you but i can't imagine you will save much
>>55040094
>Not saying you're wrong anon, but is there any other industry that has moved "backwards" technology wise like the watch industry after the quartz crisis?
Religious intervention, like the Medieval ages in Europe, caused everything to move backward: belief and feelings overruling facts. Political correctness has a similar effect on research.
The industrial revolution started in North of England (Newcastle was perhaps the epicentre). It was to a large extent powered by steam engines, especially those made by James Watt and his company. Somehow development ran out of steam, so to speak and once leaders sat down on their fat rears to wait for his patents to expire. Meanwhile German engineers created internal combustion engines. Just visit Newcastle and see the ruins of retardation. I have been there.
>I dunno about "special", but there is some precedent for believing that people are prepared to pay more for less when it comes to stuff like craftsmanship and heritage.
And there is still a market for handmade Italian shoes. It is just that the mass market for mass produced shoes are vastly bigger and not everyone realised this before it was too late.
>>55040099
>They're 90% automated with the last 10% being reserved for human intervention because the real world has complexity that can't be trivially automated
That is what the US car industry insisted until they were steamrolled by Japanese automation. automation there is a relentless process of progression and I guess perhaps 1 percent is now not automated. Funnily enough that is the part that the camera crews prefer to show.
>>55040153
>If they become cheap they stop being a status symbol and suddenly nobody will give a shit because they are impractical.
That is what they always say. There is still utility in a watch. I could pull up my mobile phone but a watch is and remains far more practical.
I would very much like an elegant watch with a tidy design and a few complications.
>>55036848
>automated hospital
>>55040091
If that was a joke, I missed it.
>>55040255
Why make the hands and indicies so hard to read?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hadley-Roma-MS898-20mm-Long-Black-Alligator-Grain-Genuine-Leather-Watch-Band-/371462674533?hash=item567ce69865:g:SRAAAOSwO~hXIiuy
Which one of you guys is going to buy me this for my birthday?
I'll write you a poem that you can give to your girl friend or wife, she will think you're heaps sensitive, probably get you laid as well
>>55040330
>>55040465
Much appreciated.
>>55040537
Dude in a 6'5" norwegian.
No poem needed to get laid
>>55040574
As a 6'3" Australian I know the feel. Not everyone is this blessed though
Maybe you could bag an artsy bird with the poem
>>55040572
So it looks like 6 day delivery shipping to lots Angeles is between 15 and 20 usd depending on final weight.
That's not including shipping time from the strap guys to me
>>55040475
But the mass market for mass produced watches are already satisfied by quartz watches.
What strap do you think I should throw on this thing? Bit tight on cash
>>55040628
Keep it on the bracelet.
>>55040628
Being tight i would say avoid that kangaroo nato strap people. 50 freedumbucks for a strap is ott
>>55040027
>spending over 100$ on a japanese quartz shitter
>>55040634
The one I posted isn't mine, couldn't be bothered to take a photo. Mine doesn't have the original bracelet and is to small for me anyway
>>55040655
Being an Australian I can tell you first hand that kangaroo leather is extortion, kangaroos run amok and are literally pests that get culled
>>55040628
maybe a brown colareb or hirsch?
or a white and/or blue nato
>>55040597
Yes I'm in LA. It's for a 4 ring nato with the extra flap under the case right? That's not bad actually, with shipping it'll be about the same price as Crown & Buckle (but they don't have the color is want). I'm waiting for a reply for http://www.natostrap.com/kangaroo-new-design.html
Since they offer free shipping (maybe not to the US though). If they don't get back to me by Monday then I may take you up. How do I contact you?
>>55030888
>"leather is a big no no on a diver"
>instead recommends a pleb nato strap
>on a soviet watch watch no less
>>55040224
Anon, honestly you don't know shit about the thousands of varieties of plastic. I regularily entrust my life to plastic and I certainly wouldn't do the same thing with steel.
Please refrain yourself from talking about things you know shit all about.
>>55040699
>>55040776
It's too bad that they gouge you so much for them. I like them not because they're "exotic", but because they can be made thin enough to not make a NATO bulky when worn unlike cow leather.
>>55040783
It's all part of the roleplaying around watches, like "leather performs poorly in seawater", when most divers will never even see the sea in their lifetime because their owners rarely ever go outside to begin with.
Also do urss straps exist?
>>55040628
This
http://www.holbensfinewatchbands.com/fluco-teju-lizard-grain-black/
where do you get all these vintage seikos and vostoks?
from europe here, can you recommend any reputable sellers?
i'd love to own a seiko high beat
>>55040475
The point I was trying to make regarding the quartz crisis is that you can't purely look at watch market from a "value for the money" standpoint. While people generally want their money's worth, quantifiable qualities do clearly have a strong influence. If not, why aren't the more or less objectively superior quartz movements the only ones used?
On the other hand, you can also very easily overestimate how much worth people place on something being handmade. More or less every manufacturer outsources to China, but their watches still seen as "genuine" and worthy of being successors to the brand's heritage. As always, people don't want to pay that much more.
I think more and more automation is bound to happen - there are no manufacturers now a days that aren't aware of the need to turn a profit and automation technology will only get cheaper while craftsmanship will remain as expansive as ever.
Exactly what is and isn't going to be automated as harder to say. I suspect marketing will influence what people see as parts that should and shouldn't be handmade.
Mechanical watches still exists today because people can be attached to a technology for other reasons than performance. I personally believe that the craftsmanship part will go but the "brand heritage" part will remain.Time will tell.
>>55040830
Might consider getting one actually when I sort my finances out a bit better. Usually hate regular natos but I'm liking them
>>55040876
Not really feeling that, looks a bit too glossy in the photo for my liking
>>55040877
eBay is good, heaps on there, easy to deal with
Had a look a few hours ago and there was a few hi beats
>>55040776
Wait until Tuesday its a public holiday here
Thank you lizzy!
Ill be on here but serious they should have cheap shipping to you anyway the prices are in usd ffs
There have been alot of bad storms here last week and flooding. They may just be delayed replying
>>55040818
You're an engineering freshman aren't you?
>>55040877
Ebay and etsy for both mostly.
Y! auctions for rare JDM pieces.
QUARTZ >>> MECHANICAL
When /g/ gets a new watch...
>>55041030
>When /g/ gets a new watch...
>>55041030
We also buy 10 new fucking straps for it
>>55040956
>>55041011
are vostok watches still produced?
thanks, etsy seems to have a lot to offer
>>55041119
Etsy only has used watches (usually). Lot's of reliable eBay seller and some unreliable.
But yeah, they still make them to this day in Tatarstan, hand machined by the same machinery they have always been made.
>>55041119
Yes, they are still made but there is a ridiculous amount of used ones going about. Used ones go for dirt cheap
>>55041137
>>55041151
i see new mechanical ones go for about 50€, does that seem right?
do they produce their mouvements themself?
Best $60 spent in a long time. Currently 2 days old and +2spd. Slightly smaller than what I'm used to but still fits really well on my 7.5 inch wrist.
>>55041221
Yup.
>>55041221
Yeah. Seems about right for a new one
Yeah, they make their movements
>>55040413
I still love your two Seikos... the 5206 and the Weekdater are both really good pieces.
I'm planning to take my 5216 to the watchmaker today, and the new crystal is already on its way. It's keeping absolutely dreadful time, like -3 mins per day. Hopefully the yellow Jew who sold it to me didn't give me a shitty bag of goods. I really need a timegrapher so I can check in on beat error and amplitude myself.
>>55040707
>dat sunburst
>>55040877
eBay is good for stuff like 52xx Seikos which nobody really knows about, Yahoo auctions is good for rare shit like 61xx chronographs, 701x chronographs, King Seikos and the Vanacs. Grand Seikos cost an assload wherever you get them from.
Pretty much every Japanese seller on eBay is good, but there are also a few decent European and American sellers. Do not buy ANYTHING from Malaysia, the Philippines, India, or Korea. Also watch out for the Korean dude in the U.S. who fucking re-dials and polishes everything he touches.
Hey /wt/, I just realized that if you want to explain/teach a little kid how to read an analog watch a Type B Flieger dial is literally the most logical choice. Why don't they make kid watches with Type B dials?
>>55041250
>>55041249
how reliable are they?
what quality can i expect from the bracelet?
>>55041252
i quite like it
>>55041290
Don't think they have enough space for it, aren't the dials on kid watches like <25 mm?
>>55041290
I know Orient watches are quality, but I fucking hate the logo.
Any watch with both minute and hour Arabic markings would suffice. Why would a b-uhr be better for it?
>>55041302
Quality is average, bracelets are shit. They are pretty tough though. Still very good alright for the price
Are you after a Vostok in specific? I don't blame you if you are, they have a nice aesthetic and arguably the most interesting history of watch brand
Orient are a good option of you are concerned about quality, quality is amazing for the price on pretty much all of their watches. In house movements are well but a lot of there cheaper models don't look as good as vostoks
>>55041302
>>55041344
The Orient star logo is tolerable however.
>>55041290
Buy that kid an FP Journe and teach him about how to read a clock and about the phases of the moon at the same time.
>>55041392
forgot image
>>55041324
No idea, can children pull off a Seiko 5?
>>55041344
The "little hand" points to the hour numerals on the inside, the "big hand" points to the minute/seconds numerals along with the seconds hand. It's logical and self explanatory as fuck, none of this "do the math in your head" shit like with hour only, or worse indice only dials that would confuse the fuck out of the little shits.
>I fucking hate the logo.
Yeah, looks like the logo of some Euro beer company and not a watch manufacturer.
>>55041392
>phases of the moon
I'd rather teach my future children real life skills, not astrology.
>>55041416
You mean astronomy.
>>55041357
i already own two orients and can attest to that.
even the bracelet is fantastic and extremely solid. their leather straps (orient star) are ok in comparison to the shitty seiko straps.
i like the amphibia very much, but it should be a model >=40mm
rate papa's watch no bully
>>55041447
Yeah, orient are great for the price
I can't attest to the quality of new ones, but they older ones have potential to be a bit shitty in terms of keeping time and such, more to do with the person selling them than the watch though
>>55041468
was it hidden up an ass for 5 yers?
>>55041424
That joke is old, Ninegag.
>>55041252
Good pieces indeed. Shame that i can't wear them for a long while.
Also I usually check mine via tickoprint as a timegrapher. Create and enclosure with a watch box and place your phone mic just slightly above the movement.
>>55041302
Reliable and robust.
Stock Bracelet is pic related. Just buy nato, zulu, perlon or even leather straps for them and enjoy. Mesh also works extremely well.
The new special ones that they produced this year and those for the newer models are superb though. Especially the ones solid endlinks.
>>55041416
My first mechanical watch was the old Seiko SNX427, the predecessor to the SNK809. I got it in 2006 when I was a skelly-wristed 13-year-old and it fit perfectly fine. Mind you, it was also a bit smaller than the modern SNK (36mm vs 38mm).
The worst-case scenario is your kid ends up looking like this guy.
>>55041721
That doesn't look real
>>55041721
Hotwheels?
>>55041478
>>55041688
what do you think of the komandirskie, is there any difference to the amphibia?
they're both 2atm water proof
>>55041721
Wow, it looks thick as fuck.
>>55041807
They are also quite good.
The 30$~ ones are only 30m WR and come with titanium nitrate plated brass cases instead of polished steel. They are handwound movements though.
The K-34 and K-35 Komandirskies are automatics and have stainless steel cases.
>>55040656
>Implying
Watch + Nato strap was around 4€.
And I'm surprised with how good it works.
>>55041721
Aren't the current SNX 37mm?
>>55041877
what a shame, the model i'm after is chrome plated brass
currently looking at the kgb one and a couple of blue dial ones
>>55042027
I was surprised and so will you be by the quality of the plating though. For the price of course.
SS and an automatic movement for 30$ more is far better though.
>>55041970
The current ones are not exactly the old SNX field watches, they're SNXS "dress" watches.
anyone know where to get this particular watch strap?
I know its a perlon one but its also two pieces.
I can only find a bright blue version, not the navy colour like in this photo
>>55042304
Eulit two-piece perlon, they don't make them in dark blue. Only in brown, black and awful bright blue.
Pic related is black.
So what is the advantage of having the crown at 12 o'clock? Pic. related.
>>55042648
Easier to access with gloves on is my guess.
>>55042648
The advantage is it looks cool.
>>55041970
Actually I stand corrected, the SNX was even smaller than I thought, 35mm.
I have to say I like it a lot better than the SNK. Cleaner dial, both in terms of the indices, as well as the lack of a "5" shield. Just wish it wasn't so damn small.
>>55042661
I doubt any watch crown is usable when you wear gloves like these.
Finished schoolwork, time to shitpost :^)
>>55037131
you have the optimism of a down syndrome kid with the faith of a sandnigger. do the world a favor and kys my man
>>55037963
>>55038561
poorfags gonna poorfag
Does anyone here have any experience with Strapcode before? This 3D-woven nylon strap is tempting.
>>55042957
>using the smiley with a carat nose
![bwphORm[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/j7BUVKS.jpg "bwphORm[1].jpg")
Can anyone identify this watch? Is that other thing a bracelet or another watch band?
>tfw i so see what Daniel Wellington is up to at this very moment
>Probably walking through the streets of Bangkok
>Having exotic adventures while looking impeccably stylish
>>55043923
This is how I imagine DW looks like.
Daniel Wellington soaking in the sun on the streets of Vietnam after an unforgettable night
>>55043693
looks kinda gay
>>55044142
I think you mean Archie Luxury
>>55043923
>>55043988
>>55044142
Daniel Wellington getting his rope ready. Preparing for his next adventure in the Himalayas
>>55034735
Why do I see this watch in every single thread why would anyone want this
Daniel Wellington attending his favorite Cosplay convention
>>55044261
some digital hipster bought it to be a contrarian
Daniel Wellington searching for his Daniel Wellington that he accidentally dropped.
>>55044261
Steel cased digital for only $28, looks cool. Not everyone here is a mechanical only snob.
What's whit the DW assblast?
Get a fake and solved, they even keep time better than most cheap mechanicals posted here.
Daniel Wellington on the phone with the Citizens Holding Company, negotiating an increase base price of the latest Miyota movements.
Is there anyone cringier in the watch reviewer scene that the Urban Guinea? I try to watch his videos sometimes when the watch/topic interests me but it's now become nauseating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpTIhBgepog
>>55044678
Omega Bullhead?
Loving these memes. Though the seiko is definitely better finished.
>>55044793
>My seiko is better finished than a by a watch made by company that just makes shitty versions of Rolex watches
No way.
Also, that cyclops is 20 dollar chinese fake tier. Probably because the crystal comes from the same chinese source.
>>55044727
i stopped watching TGV when he reviewed a jump hour watch in a video and had no idea how to tell the time on it
>>55044793
>"oh hey anon nice submar-.."
>"oh uhhh, nice watch."
>>55044923
T-thanks.
>>55044840
I know I just can't afford a submariner and couldn't find a better alternative (squale was quite a bit more expensive). All in all it's pretty nice imo.
>>55044873
I got sick of him when he did the Aliens Seiko review, rambling on for almost eight minutes/half the video about a thirty year old movie everyone has seen and knows everything about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsK2Zjf4p8s
>>55045035
>I know I just can't afford a submariner
If you can afford to drop £500 on a half assed rep. Then you can sure as hell save a little more for the real thing.
>>55042648
Won't get caught in anything.
Happens more often that you'd think with a crown at 3, less often with a crown at 4, and overall greatly reduced with a proper crown guard that will let things slide rather than get stuck. At least when you get outside with your watch and actually do stuff.
On a Spacewalk designed to be worn in space I'm not so sure, you may as well put the crown on the back like on a Spaceview, which ironically doesn't owe its name to anything space-related.
>>55044166
Archie Luxury would have died in a Bangkok's sauna, the fat fuck.
>>55045303
Died of exhaustion after an intense session with a ladyboy?
>>55044678
Top kek.
Who is this guy really?
Is there any guide for the purchase of japanese domestic market watches?
>>55038804
yuck
>>55030500
Is that a second hack?
>>55045316
No, just for entering one after 5 minutes, the pig sweats like crazy in normal conditions.
>>55045329
There are services that will buy shit and forward it to you from online. There's even services where you can pay a japanese person to go to a store and buy shit for you. Which would be good if you wanted some sort of boutique exclusive. I've never used that, not sure how it would work with big ticket items.
Or if you have an address you can use in japan just buy shit and have them ship it there.
>>55045329
here's your guide for JDM watches: c-watch.co.jp, www.higuchi-inc.com, and seiyajapan.com
>>55045118
It's nowhere near 500 pounds though. It's 400$ + shipping.
Daniel Wellington just can't get enough of cosplaying. It's his biggest passion - after watches of course.
Which one would you put on a speedy?
Can't make up my mind
https://amzn.com/B00FIV8X96
https://amzn.com/B01EP8SRQQ
https://amzn.com/B001LH6K28
>>55045509
Here's a picture of #3 on a Speedmaster (assuming MAN ON THE MOOOOON) from the googles.
>>55045551
Looks nice, no?
>>55045509
And another with the googles.
I prefer this one to the third but make sure if you order it, it's in 20mm. I don't think rubber fits anything that's a non-diver, but personal opinion.
>>55045509
https://www.pinterest.com/watchobsession/30-day-strap-challenge/
>>55045411
Neato, thank you.
>>55045464
That's the price here in the UK anyway.
this came in yesterday off massdrop
first watch
i wonder what I'll get next
