find a flaw
protip: you can't
>>54813590
The Userbase
systemd
>>54813590
Autism
>>54813590
The logo
>>54813686
Touché
>>54813590
It isn't gentoo
>>54813590
that fat guy
>>54813590
systemd
>>54813712
4chan ruined it for me
>cant unsee
>>54813590
needs a functional brain to use it
Take fedora
Now make the installer optional, use an objectively inferior but still bloated package manager, use vanilla packages even when their default state causes breakage the user must fix, tack on a really shitty and bloated ports system that makes portage fags cry and pkgsrc fags vomit, and claim you're an enlightened minimalist computer pro because you untarred a ball and ran fdisk
That's the arch linux experience
There just isn't one.
Arch linux is the best. With the combined powers of pacman and yaourt, it is more powerful than all other distros combined.
And all arch users have huge cocks and get laid with 10/10s everyday.
>>54814439
>Objectively inferior
Nice citation bro
>>54814466
/thread
>>54814490
>citations
>comparing software
>program A does thing program B doesn't
>uh no its bloat because uh, ram
>>54813590
whatever
>>54814518
http://libguides.mit.edu/citing
>>54814559
There are not citations because there is little to no objectivity involved in comparing complex programs designed with slightly different goals and nobody wants to even try to study it. Even an objective study based on the time needed to complete a task would be discarded by some fuck complaining about bloat. Like me, or you. We're both fucks.
Why do you think vim vs. emacs is still an issue?
So, wanna fuck?
>>54814582
Are you a /g/irl?
>>54814603
Do you want to take turns being the girl?
>>54814439
>>54814582
>there is little to no objectivity involved in comparing complex programs designed with slightly different goals
Cheers, you saved me a lot of hassle there invalidating your original point like that.
>>54813590
it's shit
>>54814391
Exactly.
>>54814696
Oh he showed us!
>>54814683
>i need crappy third party scripts to downgrade packages with my dumber-than-dpkg manager and i really do because shit breaks all the time but it's okay because nobody has ever published a peer reviewed paper on pacman
>and if an entire upgrade breaks shit or i regret a massive transaction like installing a DE, cleaning up is a mess with lots of log awk/grep-ing because there is no peer reviewed paper that says "dnf's history plugin is literally fucking pacman in the ass"
>>54814732
>or i regret a massive transaction like installing a DE
sounds like you just have buyers remorse.
Maybe you should research shit just a little bit before downloading everything all willy nilly.
I cant imagine how bad your windows computer was..
>>54814732
My pacman has never broken anything. You're going to have to cite some instances of pacman breaking things for me to believe you.
>>54814815
I never knew I could discover my future subjective experiences through google-able opinions. Next time a retard says "this wm sucks i couldnt figure out how to open chrome" i won't install anything. And if a neckbeard says "this is the greatest, i've never arranged my terminals faster. desktop threads are a blast!" i'll make it my daily. From this point forward, I'll never used dwm again. My preferred WM is openbox with some custom scripts for my one and only desktop thread terminal layout. Thank you, research.
>>54814854
>average pacman user is too dumb to realize that broken packages were mentioned, not broken package managers
>when downgrading packages is being mentioned
>>54814884
>google-able
Glad I could help.
Btw muffin is goat.
>>54814884
You still haven't justified your original point and you are like 5 comments in.
>learn to green
>text correctly
>>54814933
You misunderstood the hyperbole in that shitpost from the start, so it's nothing but shitposting and arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because distro war threads are garbage and deserve to be garbage
I got a /gf/ 2 months after I switched to arch.
checkmate autists
>>54814952
You can't find any citations to back your point up can you?
Pacman wins unanimously!!
>>54814854
It broke X in a Virtualbox a few months ago in a kernel update.
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=211331
I had just started playing around with Arch back then so that certainly didn't impress me.
>>54815002
No, it was never objective and will never be objective. "Objectively" was a hyperbole.
I hope a cute girl says "literally" near you and you drop spaghetti all over the floor
>implying you leave the house
>implying you're not an autogynophile that wants to be the trap
>>54815048
>lost the argument
>moves the goalposts
Never change /g/
>>54813590
Lack of installer means it's not really easily deployable: you kind of have to script it yourself, but that does mean that (like Gentoo and LFS) it's extremely customisable and versatile.
It's not able to automatically migrate config files between version upgrades, so like Gentoo it's kind of high-maintenance for a rolling-release.
I've already run Gentoo in production, so I know what fresh hell that entails.
It has good points and bad points, like any distro. Its wiki is exceptionally good: it probably has better documentation than any other distro.
Too much time on your hands:
Gentoo
Boring office stuff like spread sheets:
Red Hat, CentOS
Gaming and noobs general:
Ubuntu
Entry-level coding:
Debian
Real serious coding, top-end server stuff and hacking:
Arch
>>54815185
>Lack of installer means it's not really easily deployable: you kind of have to script it yourself, but that does mean that (like Gentoo and LFS) it's extremely customisable and versatile.
How is that special?
You can, and people do, bootstrap Debian & Ubuntu in the very same way.
>>54815194
>Gaming and noobs general:
>Ubuntu
how's ubuntu related to vidya?
>>54814732
>i need crappy third party scripts to downgrade packages
With pacman? No, you don't. Also, where did you get the idea that you did?
>>54815185
>Lack of installer means it's not really easily deployable: you kind of have to script it yourself
Exactly. So what's stopping you from doing that scripting? Other than the fact that tossing around a word like "deployable" heavily implies that you're using Arch in a production environment, which would be fundamentally retarded.
>>54815194
>fucking n00bs man, their system just werks
>Systemd
>Pacman
>AUR
>>54815819
Best 3 things in Linux
>>54815845
Pacman is so hard to work with. I honestly believe that if arch didn't have such a great wiki, nobody would bother with it simply because of how awkward it is to use pacman.
>>54816031
I use apt-get's output to seed my RNG.
>>54813590
It's assumed superiority among it's users with delusions of grandeur
>>54816139
>it's
It's hard not to feel superior to you.
the bleeding edge means that you will experience more issues than the stable distros
thats about it as cons go I guess, also maybe the elitists userbase that takes everything super-duper-seriously and is actively fighting against the ease of use
>>54816031
pacman is awesome
>>54816157
Pedant Archfag detected
Pic related
>>54816031
On the contrary pacman IS the most comfortable package manager to work with. Furthermore Arch Wiki is probably the best now. Gentoo had a better wiki until their incompetent maintainers had their server crashed
>>54813590
Arch + KDE master race reporting in
>>54816270
its such cringeworthy tv series
they thrown everything at the corporate guy to make him interesting... and in the end it just felt ridiculous
>>54813590
apart from cinammon and gnome etc, no real support for hiDPi screens on DEs
>>54814439
You are wrong on every point, except pacman being bloated. It wasn't always the case, though. Fucking hooks. I don't wanna update the man cache every time I install something. It's not really a problem on fast rigs, but it makes pacman unsuitable for machines with slow I/O.
>>54814981
i got a fit gf that now uses my arch..
shes a macfag
>>54815217
I know: I've used (c)debootstrap as well as d-i autoinstall images; debootstrap is the Debian equiv of doing it manually, often used in scripting.
>>54815255
That's exactly what I mean; you concur with me that Arch isn't exactly production-ready material. It could be, with some more work.
>>54815250
Officially supported by Steam, which makes it the linux gaymer honeypot.
ok, i installed Arch on an old pc at work (it's got 4gb ram), i need it for verilog development.
i haven't installed any software yet though.
i didn't know it was considered a bad distro -- did I make a mistake? should i just cut my losses and install ubuntu now?
>>54815194
>Top end server stuff
There is literally no big business using arch for servers anywhere.
>>54814466
>yaourt
>not AUR
wew lad step it up
>>54813590
Not Gentoo
No Portage
No USE flags
Currently running Manjaro OpenRC, because fuck Systemd.
Haven't had any problems so far.
>>54813590
fucking last lvm2 update didn't worked, not enjoying bleeding edge atm
good thing I procastinate my autism and didn't wipe pacman cache
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=213111
>>54815845
They're all garbage
>>54816249
Arch is driven by a retard community. At least Gentoo is professional.
>>54820158
This
*Lulz I actually think that Arch has Gentoolkit in their repo because they wish it was Gentoo.
>>54814603
Close your eyes and think of him as a girl, it's not gay as long as you don't make eye contact
>>54813590
The operating system is a fatal flaw.
Why is the logo blue?
>>54820696
isn't that red?
>>54820067
Yaourt is AUR you tryhard
>>54813673
/thread
>>54820292
You won't. Been using Manjaro for about 18 months comfy as hell, no issues.
>>54821139
>Manjaro
>no issues
Pick one
Induces Fox vs. Grapes butthurt in the linuxly challenged.
>>54820763
technically, yes and no. It grabs from the AUR, as well as the community.
or you could just git.
>>54813590
>overzealous autistic fan boys
>"you'll learn how Linux REALLY works!" When it's literally just configuring a package manager and letting scripts do the rest
>offers nothing that minimal net installs already offered for other distros don't
>muh bleeding edge packages!! when you can just install directly from the upstream source in any distro
>only reason to use it is the aur, which is full of broken and unmaintained packages and isn't monitored at all, most "packages" are just a bash script to download the package and it's install script from GitHub
>aur is far worse than Open Build Service, which actually lets you package binaries and programs for multiple distros
It's not the worst distro, but there's nothing it offers that makes it worth using over any other distros and it has the worst fucking user base.
>>54813590
>>54814981
rip /int/
>>54821842
>overzealous fanboys
mad because nobody but you thinks opensuse is best distro ever.
>full of broken packages
>most packages are just github
imblying github is full of broken packages.
>>54821417
>issues
None. Zero. Zilch. Nicht. Nada.
Not one single issue in 18 months.
Sorry if that doesn't fit your narrow, view on life. But it's the truth.
>>54821809
>or you could just git.
Because I need to waste even more time in addition to compiling the packages.
>>54816031
>Pacman is so hard to work with
There's probably three commandline arguments you need, -S, -Rns and -Syu
>>54813590
>>54813590
> Simple. Debian has a ton of stuff preinstalled,
No. Debian has a lot of stuff already installed if you take one of the versions of Debian that does. Just like Gentoo does though Gentoo calls them "profiles". Did you know there's a Gentoo profile that comes with a full GNOME or KDE environment out of the box?
There are also Debian versions with come with very little as are there Gentoo profiles that do. So I don't see how Arch is in-between Gentoo and Debian here, Debian and Gentoo are alike here, Arch different from either.
> Arch is a middle-ground where you have more freedom in what packages to install
No, that's blatantly false, the freedom in what packages to install is Gentoo > Debian > Arch. Debian sits in between Gentoo and Arch here, not in reverse.
but still can't customize each individual package that much.
No, you can customize it more. While Debian does not have USE flags the way Gentoo has that allow real customization of packages themselves. They sort of implement a similar thing compared to Arch by keeping packages very small allowing you to select what parts of packages you want, more or less, something Arch does not do. So again. Debian sits in between Gentoo and Arch here. Arch supports abslutely nil customization of packages where each package has only one version. Debian typically offers three versions of packages depending on how featureful you want your package to be and Gentoo of course offers a lot more with its USE flag system.
CONSOLEKIT
UDEV
FREEDESKTOP GARBAGE
SYSTEMD
PULSEAUDIO
FORCED INSTALLING OF DEPENDENCIES (NO USE FLAGS)
BINARY PLEB DISTRO
>>54815194
wew lad, i don't even know where to start
>>54822898
>assblasted debkid makes entry
Next time try English
>>54813673
first post always best post
>>54814513
DELETE THIS NOW
i have said this before, and i'll say it again:
there is no need for arch. it's just not interesting enough.
everything it's praised for, either gentoo or debian do better (see >>54822898). everything it wants to be - minimalist, well maintained and such - void does better by using runit instead of systemd and libressl instead of openssl. and void even has a minimalist installer so you don't have to go through the retarded routine arch requires you too. AUR is a fucking hack filled with shit nobody in their right mind would use without checking it first and in all honesty, i don't have time for such nonsense. pacman isn't better overall than other package managers. and finally, the arch docs and forums are huge and resourceful, but more often than not it's the search for the needle in the haystack between all the absolutely inane comments™ it's horrific userbase® produces. so essentially, for everything arch is praised for, there's a better, cleaner, alternative.
>>54815023
According to this forum post, once VirtualBox 5.0.17 is released the kernel parameter can be removed.
2/10 for making me read that.
>>54823177
its horrific userbase® - sorry, autists, my bad
>>54823177
There are people that don't want to remvoe gnome-shell along with minesweeper
>>54822898
>>54823177
Neither is a good enough alternative.
Gentoo takes a millenium to configure and install everything.
Debian has its retarded policies and maintenance quirks getting in the way - it's just too big for its own good. Installed one package that gets detected as broken? Oh no! Apt is having a fucking seizure! Give me a fucking break. You can't even momentarily disable dependency checks on it.
>>54813590
it uses systemd which was created by a retard
>>54815138
>doesnt read post
>found XDable reaction image on tumblr and wants to post it anyway
>pretends to have read post in order to have justification for posting XDable reaction image
Never change, middle schoolers
>>54814696
/thread
>>54823177
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>54825418
>lol
get out.
>>54825446
Make me you fucking internet bad-ass.
>>54821992
That's surely a testament to the fine work Manjaro's Devs freeloaded from Arch.
>>54825615
Yeah, where's the problem? That's why it's open source, you aren't stealing anything by using someone else's work as the basis of your own.
>>54825654
>Manjaro is somehow better than Arch
>It is Arch.
>Yeah, where's the problem?
I think it may be in that raisin you call a brain.And this is coming from a gay as fuck Debian user.
>>54825715
Are you retarded? No one said that Manjaro is better than Arch, that wasn't even being discussed.
I'm using Arch myself you raging autist.
>>54825726
>>54820292
>>54821417
>>54821992
>>54825864
Again, I'm running Arch.
>>54825726
>>54820292
>>54821417
>>54821992
.
>>54825888
Again, I'm running Arch..
>>54825726
>>54820292
>>54821417
>>54821992
,
>>54825926
Again, I'm running Arch-
>>54825867
Clearly not the intended person.
>>54825894
Clearly not the intended person.
>>54825932
Clearly not the intended person.
>>54825958
I know
I used to use it a few months ago till I realized I was ricing and mucking with configs more than being productive. I feel like the while arch ecosystem supports and encourages this. Now I use debian testing with gnome and get my shit done like a real man.
>arch
>>54826273
>memes
>>54826273
>>54826197
>>54826393
tired, old and retarded memes at that which no one believes anymore kek.
Leave fatty, your reputation is destroyed.
>>54814466
Pacaur is better
>>54816321
>That's exactly what I mean; you concur with me that Arch isn't exactly production-ready material. It could be, with some more work.
Yeah, I concur with you. But I couldn't give a shit less if Arch ever becomes "production-ready" or not. I'd probably prefer it didn't, honestly.
what are these yaourt and pacaur things everyone talks about
I use pamac-manager and it has a nice GUI and AUR and everything. Am I missing out on something?
>>54826629
Not really, they're just command line AUR clients
Pic related, it downloads the package and runs the install script like normal
>>54825435
>xterm
>>54826747
oh
so what's the damn difference to pacman then
>>54825435
Font render?
>>54826841
Pacman doesn't use the Arch User Repository (AUR), which is basically just user-supported packages
It gives Arch users access to more packages than would otherwise be easily available
>>54826868
ok I get it
I'll stick to pamac
>>54813590
You're right.
