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What is the worst ui you ever experienced?
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What is the worst ui you ever experienced?
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Jdownloader
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>>54774151
This shit
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I don't even consider this piece of shit to be usable because of it's atrocious UI.
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MS Office
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ZBrush's UI is fine. The problem is that retards try to use it with a mouse and keyboard and fail miserably.

It's designed to be used with a fuckin' drawing tablet.

>>54774200
Blender's UI is just genuinely awful by default. Since the vast majority of people just stick with the defaults, it's a massive problem.
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>>54774212

It's just like Photoshop... a shittier version but still perfectly usable
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>>54774200
>>54774212
Free as in Freedom
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>>54774212
Gimp's UI is actually good if you get used to it. I'm used to it. :>
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Libre office.

Seriously.

>Menu>menu>menu>menu>obtuse function name>incomprehensible window

The ribbon in office and explorer etc. Is actually really handy. Inb4 butthurt.
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>>54774200
I actually work quite well with it.
Every 3D program I've tried so far was an absolute mess at first.

>>54774151
Worst UI for me was Libre office on a high DPI screen.
It was just a mess of wrongly aligned buttons.
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>>54774347
*rubs behind ear*
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>>54774295
your point is?
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>>54774151
I hate this pajeet-tier cancer.
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>>54774151
4chan
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Windows 10/Default Windows 8.1
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Not experienced myself, I just saved this screenshot from somewhere. But someone did create this abomination.
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>>54774212
>I don't even consider this piece of shit to be usable because of it's atrocious UI.
?
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LOONIX lol. That shit is trash always and forever.

Ask for genuine Microsoft software.
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>>54774378
>In thread about UIs
>Lists a kernal
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>>54774501
what the hell is that?
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>>54774378
nice try
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>>54774521
looks like a logistics software
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maybe not THE worst
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>>54774608
is that 11.04?
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>>54774212
windows>single window mode
solves so many problems
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>>54774501
I see shit like that in doctors offices
how do people use that
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>>54774608
I still don't know what the intent of the Dash was. if they were going for a Win 7 style search they certainly failed at that.

It really blows.
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>>54774200
imo blender's keyboard driven ux is much better than 3ds max. although it has a high learning curve
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>>54774200
>>54774212
>literal babbys
Kill self
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>>54774548
>Toobar
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>>54774501
Dentists seem to have similar looking shit software.
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This window has a close button, can you tell which one it is?
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>>54775774
Oh man I remember using that.
It could do some kickass things.
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>>54775774
easy
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every bundled hardware software
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LibreOffice and GIMP, fuck those pieces of shit. Why do so many open source programs have such shitty UI's?
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>>54775916
>userskin not default
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>>54775959
How is libreoffice shitty? Because they didn't implement the cancerous ribbon?
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>>54775959
Krita is pretty good.
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Basically all FOSS has terrible a terrible UI. It's probably why a lot of them are either ripoffs of proprietary software or command line utilities.
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>>54775996
>hating on ribbon interface

man these are some vintage memes you got going here. Blind navigation through the menubar for everything is so much better right
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>>54775996
yes and because it fucks up formatting on documents
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>>54776005
Not necessarily all of it, ubuntu is pretty easy to use, so is chromium and vlc, and firefox.
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>>54776010
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>>54775959
>>54775996
The sidebar makes LibreOffice 5 really good.
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>>54775996
How is the ribbon bad? It combines two things that serve basically the same purpose into one thing. I don't particularly like that it's twice as large as the menubar and toolbar but it makes a lot more sense and that extra space allows them to avoid spawning additional windows for stuff like inserting shapes and clipart
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>>54776058
>>54776032
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OSX snowleopard
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>>54774200
this desu senpai
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>>54775143
> solves so many problems
And adds so much more.
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>>54776032
everything in that picture is retarded and you're retarded for posting it. if you're complaining that you have to memorize something you've lost all rights to use vim or emacs. all the other points are just factually wrong.
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>>54776083
>how to "refute" something by not telling your reasons, because you have none: the post
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Autocad
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>>54776104
your opinion is wrong and i'm not going to put effort into an argument that was done and over with a decade ago.
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>>54776032
Microsoft has steadily moved away from alphabetical, text based menus to purely visual menus. The windows 8 and 10 start menus were items like "photos" aren't even consistent in appearance and the very generic seeming coloured boxes make everything worse.

Microsoft thinks we're all illiterate but still wants our money.
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>>54776151
Nice shill mentality.
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>>54774200
Blender's UI is intimidating, but not bad by any means
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>>54776058
I remember initially hating the ribbon, and now the only thing I really like about it is the context-sensitive menus that appear based on what you are doing. That is a very good idea.

Ideally, I would like something with menus across 75% of the top of the screen at the top left (like Office 2003 progs) and then 25% context-sensitive dynamic menus at the top right. It'd be the best of both and save a lot of screen space.

File, Edit, View, ..., Help are static menus, and then to the right of Help, all the things can change around.
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any microsoft product after win7
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>>54774200
If you're using the UI at all in blender you're doing it wrong. Use keyboard.
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>>54776120
*shakes head*
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>>54774507
How?
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>>54776120
>actually has icons
>doesn't use the commandline exclusively

nigga what are you doing?
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>>54776258
>*action*
Stop embarrassing yourself
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>>54775996
Why does /g/ jerk off so hard to the old shitty MS Office interface? It's wasteful, cluttered trash that looks like absolute shit when used with a modern OS theme.

t. MSO 97/2K user
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Windows 10 is absolutely disgusting.
clunky squares and sharp corners seem all the more like thrown together rudiments when the system runs like a piece of crap.
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>>54774151
windows 10
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>>54776863
>>54776851
This
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>>54774200
This
Going from Maya to Blender is fucking abysmal.
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Anime just got D E S T R O Y E D
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>>54774151
>Having issues with ZBrush UI
Apply yourself
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>>54774494
In all seriousness, without 4chanx I agree

But I'm glad it's shit by default. I wish the native extension was disabled by default
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>>54776851
Incredibly accurate
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>>54774151
fagTunes, literally the most headache inducing media player ever.
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>>54774151
zbrush, and 3ds max back in the day
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>>54776851
works fine for me.
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>>54778581
also blender (forever) but blender is irrelevant so I forgot to mention it
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>>54774212
>b is the hotkey for pen tool
>p is the hotkey for brush
Kill me
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>>54774212
This is the quintessential answer. Possibly the worst UI out of any notable program.
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>>54774151
Microsoft Windows
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>>54774474
still better than proprietary alternatives by default
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>>54776032
Is that fucking toastytech
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>>54774482
Has the latest release changed anything?
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>>54779713
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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>>54774517
>technology board
>posts anime
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>>54779713
there are no alternatives to freedom
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#Alternative
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>>54776069
OS X Snow leopard is fine.

Also weren't you the fag that posted selfies on /g/ maybe you should shut the fuck up and sit back down? Emotional ass nigga.
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>>54774200
ahahahah you've blatantly never used blender outside of opening a start-up file and trying to move a cube
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>>54780278
let's be real half the people here are weebs
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>>54775234
>>54775281
>>54776186
>>54780329
This desu. "Not like everyone else" doesn't mean bad. Blender's UI is great once you learn it.
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>>54774151
Any WIMP GUI. What good is it that it's "easy to learn" when you can't ever reach productivity with it?
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>>54776032
I don't really disagree with a lot of his points, especially as they apply to shit like Paint, that implementation is god awful and serves no real purpose.

But as he mentioned, however, it's a little different for Office.

My usual toolbar setup in Office 2000 and 97 can get very cluttered, while it packs more features into the space than the Ribbon ever will, that's not necessarily a good thing. Lots of small buttons with no text labels and shitty icons that don't accurately describe the action, tooltips take just as long to appear (if ever)

And while people bitch about the loss of menus, I don't find it that much more impeding to what I do when I go between 97 and 2016, you can cry "dumb" all you want but having bigger, attention-getting icons can be a pretty convenient way to draw your eyes to infrequently used features better than memorizing documentation.

>>54776046
That's absolutely horrifying, look at all that wasted space. There was a reason Office didn't ship like that by default.

And having the document off-center like that feels just... unnatural.
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>>54775179
I always assumed it was one of those attempts to unify laptop and tablet. While they fail and keep failing, I think the ambition is understandable.
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>>54780407
What's wrong with this one?
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I once worked on a software for 3d room planning. The boss of that firm had no background in programming at all, but he was the one choosing who would work for him. As a result, the code was the most horrible thing ice ever seen in my life (and I've seen a grandma being mashed by a car). The UI of that software was incredibly atrocious, only beaten by how horrible it was to use. It would literally crash as soon as you click somewhere, the boss hadn't planned the interaction design for (and he was horrible at that too). So clicking on a button a number of times would do something else than kicking it once (no description, just an icon on it)
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>>54776220
this desu senpai
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>>54774517
The linux text Virtual Console could really use a refresh. Still only supports 16 colors, even in VGA or framebuffer modes that support 256 or more.
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>>54776069
snow leopard is the best OS since XP.

shut your whore mouth
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>>54774212
Krita is what Gimp should have been desu
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>>54778671
>can't change his accels
Kill yourself
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Custom made Access databases and an ERP tool from hell at my first job. You people are cute with your open source picks that aren't that pretty. Try using software made by people who don't really know how to use a computer themselves.

>completely non-standard keyboard shortcuts
>all text fields only show three lines at once when often you would have texts fifty lines long
>no threading so searching the database just froze the program for some minutes
>and it took minutes because there was zero optimization on the search, it just did O(n) search of all records in the software itself
>custom regex-like syntax unlike anything else that uses special ASCII character for things like the * placeholder because "we want * in our product names"
>when you log in, it would tell you a joke in the status line, often about XD Microsoft sucks at making software amirite, in a program worse than Windows ME
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>>54780080
toastytech is pretty much /g/ the website

>the guy who runs it still uses Windows 95 as his main OS since he doesn't like how IE was included by default in every OS since 98
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Windows 8

Couple that with the awful keyboards and trackpads most peecees have and you have the worst computer imaginable.
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>>54774517
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Honestly, just like ANY software for all forms of art (video, still image, 3d, design, audio) they're all fucking terrible 99% of the time. ESPECIALLY the older software versions.
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>>54781328
>filename
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>>54775996
Because the UI is made by developers not by designers. And everything goes for developers.
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>>54777367
Going from Blender to Maya is abysmal as well.

>>54774212
Try Krita.

>>54776083
>defending rank inconsistency

>>54776429
Looks better than your average DAW.
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>>54781498
i think fl studio has a nice interface, for a few reasons: vector scaling, and modular. if something is obnoxious, i just close the window, i usually only have a few windows open at a time and then it feels a lot less overwhelming
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>>54780407
Best OS created next to Windows XP.
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>>54776344
I think its something you click in the window drop down menu.
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>>54781328
>AS LITTLE INFORMATION DENSITY POSSIBLE
>MORE FUCKING EMPTY WHITE SPACE
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>>54775162
>>54775302
>>54774521
>>54774560
They always look like that.

No reason to change it either since the company that made it still has to be hired because it is too expensive and risky to migrate to an actual good system
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>>54781731
what did he mean with this?
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>>54778671
>GIMP devs give several tools keyboard shortcuts as their respective first letters
Are those devs autistic, sort of, as well as several other FOSS devs?
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this piece of shit right here
can't even copy paste elements without causing some unrelated fuck ups.
so much wasted space.
whats so hard to just copy photoshops layout, suited to 3d?
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>>54782127
reminder that 3ds max is like 100x larger than blender and does the same shit
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>>54781904
then use any other daw they are basically all the same
except for this one
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>>54781734
haha this so fucking much
some here would be surprised how much of the "interwebs" ends up running on some ancient by now emulated old as fuck and shitty terminal based software
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ITT: people too retarded to use 3d modeling software
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>>54774212
It's good enough for me desu senpai
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>>54781290
Worldcraft/Hammer wasn't so bad if I remember correctly. Other editors have too many features and no differentiatiin between usefullness of the features.
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>>54782395
which DAW has the best user interface?
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>>54782746
Renoise
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>>54782746
fl studio is visually pleasing
also this is renoise
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>>54782825
pff FL is for children
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>>54774151

It's good program and I can't imagine how it could improve its interface, but still, it looks intimidating to say the least.
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>>54782746
>>54782756
>>54782825
>>54782881
Get on my level
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>>54782881
nice bait
i'll just reply with one thing then ignore you

people think it's for children because it's the most pirated daw and it's unique interface, but it's not just for loops anymore. i have a few friends and I as well that use fl for orchestral and everyone always assumes we use daws that arent fl. it literally doesnt matter anymore and some have more desirable features than the others
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>>54774256
as if Ps has a good UI to start with

Nominating LabView: a program that allows scientists to create terrible GUIs using a horrendous UI.
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>>54782928
are you also using this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwqnR327fk&list=PLpmM9kxGW6Y_oDx9yWZtBOjChDy4IsDSq&index=23
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Beremiz has a nice user interface. I like it.
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>>54776120
Half of the things you opened there are completely useless
Also if you don't like ribbon you can just use classic ui, or the command line

TLDR you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
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>>54782950
E B I N
B
I
N
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>>54782290
except for the smoothing which is absolutely dogshit in blender.
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>>54782896
I would probably make it so instead of listing all the options you can do you click to add one of them (e.g. the "Remove" one) and then you have a list of transformations that you've done that you can edit or remove stuff from. That way all the stuff you don't care about isn't just there creating noise.
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>>54782928
Looks just like scream tracker 2. Is this some sort of modern update?
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G N U N E T
N
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N
E
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>>54781618
This.
As much as it's memed on, it's really logical. and customizable.
But from time to time they do the most retarded thing, like dropping a generator because "we must go forward at all cost" or removing the step sequencer graphs.
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>>54781904
>nothing changed since v1: the DAW.
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>>54782746
Sunvox or Jeskola Buzz.
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FL Studio
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>>54783418
i didnt even notice they removed that because i always did velocities and pitch through the piano roll
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>>54783536
They were pretty useful if you wanted to get that sequenced feel quickly. Just click one button, drag the mouse at random, done. Now you have to fiddle with thin bars and you can't see shit at a glance.
Plus you had the "Shift" option to try out different swing patterns on a groove you've already had going.

Meanwhile, it's 2016 and Slicex's open file dialog still doesn't preview.
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>>54774151
not being able to delete a bunch of contacts at once in android

had to go over single one like a nigger
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>>54774256
Except that it can't do non-destructive workflow - unusable in real projects.
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>>54783645
And no CMYK - unusable in print.
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>>54782881

Some of the most technically advanced producers you'll find use FL. Billain and Audeka spring to mind
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>>54783667
>>54783645
Freetards on suicide watch
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>>54774517
>weeb calling others faggots
lemme laugh
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>>54774200
I'd have to agree, but seeing how have no clue about modeling in general I'm not surprised.
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>>54776429
That looks like an average DAW.
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>>54774151
ur mom
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>>54778671
>not using a ben
>not using a prush
off yourself furfag
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>>54774212
gimps UI is better than photoshops IMO
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>>54774200
Holy shit this.
And thats AFTER they redesigned it to be "better"
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sap
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>>54775959
Because open source devs participate primarily to solve the interesting/fun dev tasks. UI isn't an interesting or fun programming task (it can be tho imo).
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>>54781904
Ableton Live is the greatest DAW UI ever created
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>>54782825
>FL is visually pleasing

it isn't even a proper DAW
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>>54784116
Nice bait, but I'll bite anyway.
Care to explain why?
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>>54776209
It's crowded but damn, that's a great little app
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touchwiz and ios. the reason i hate handhelds and use a landline.
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>>54776429
Just switch to FL studio my dude
>tfw failed to get into Ableton 3 times because of its UI
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>>54784335
>app
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KDE 2-4, Gnome3, Enlightenment definitely the worst, for programs: almost all have shitty UI
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Gimp
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>>54774151
Must have been either some old linux tool I directly deleted or some in-house tool or 3B2.
Also a candidate: Pidgin OTR Plugin.

Also crap, but not the worst offender: SmartGit.
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>>54783769
Based Billain. He's definitely up there with Noisia, KOAN Sound and Culprate in terms of sound engineering
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>>54774212
>>54774359
>>54776046
there are the big free software offenders IMO. gimp is genuine shitware and makes even basic tasks a huge pain in the ass. libreoffice is in a whole nother level, it's like the office equivalent of the windiows control panel, shit is just strewn about everywhere with no rhyme or reason, useful options are buried in sub-menus, two controls that should work the same work in totally different ways, and you constantly get locked into different editing modes than subtly change the UI in unpredictable ways. it's an utter shitshow

>>54774200
git gud

surprised nobody has mentioned the immense piece of shit that is google plus, where simple tasks like 'seeing a list of people who are online' or 'initiating a hangout' need fucking googling before you understand how they work

i would also like to give google a special mention for
- most of android
- separating google docs from google drive, and making the 'back' button in a google document go to an utterly worthless google docs user interface clusterfuck
- all of youtube but ESPECIALLY AUTOPLAY
- hiding the previously easily-accessible links to their services behind a fucking stupid cube menu and then having some of them require you to go two levels deep into aforementhioned cube menu
- putting all of the most useful menu options in chrom* behind another menu that just says 'more tools'
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>>54774151
Linux
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>>54784542
oh fuck we add an asterisk now like tumblr genders for applications?
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>>54784598
are you stupid?
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>>54784618
this triggers the /g/tard
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>>54774482
Sadly this
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>>54784396
underage pls go. App has been used for decades
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>>54784522
>u will never make sounds like they do
Why live?
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>>54784401
Most DEs are butt fucking ugly, which is no surprise seeing as the design process of those probably goes like "Ooh! Gradients! let's show everyone we can do gradients! And rounded corners, I've slaved two days coding the support for those, can't let it go to waste!" but I'd have to disagree with you on Gnome 3 - it actually looks consistent.
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God damn Outlook and pretty much every Microsoft Office tool.
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>>54774200
Pretty much this.
I've been using 3DSMax for a good decade. I saw the Blender UI once and laughed for a good 15 minutes.
>b-b-b-b-but it's free
Of course it's free, who the fuck would pay for that cancer lmao.
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>>54784796
Doesn't Autodesk want to kill it in favor of Maya tho?
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>>54784770
>but I'd have to disagree with you on Gnome 3 - it actually looks consistent.
This. Now, if they would actually document GTK appropriate.
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>>54774151
Ribbon
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>>54781007
>toastytech is pretty much /g/ the website
This desu.
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>>54774151
>>54774200
You can customize everything both Blender and Zbrush, and who the fuck uses Blender UI? The hotkeys are very user friendly if you're not a retard cuck
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>>54784542
>surprised nobody has mentioned the immense piece of shit that is google plus
Probably because noone actually uses it?
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>>54784335
Are you kidding? It's the canonical example of why some things are better done with command-line tools than with GUIs.
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>>54774200
Fucking this!! 90% of the functionality is hidden unless you know mad key combos. Literally impossible to use with a trackpad and needs to use a mouse
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>>54785227
Did they measure 4chan as well?
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>>54785329
>4chan
>social-media site
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>>54785153
Ironically those trendy teens using only their phones create tons more content than the typical desktop dork.

>you can only be productive if your computer is housed in a tincan desu
It's funny how "progress" in this fat virgins mind is actually chauvinism when you think about it rationally.

>>54785494
It's an antisocial media site.
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>>54785544
>ignoring the entire point about walled gardens
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>>54774212
>>54774347
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>>54785544
>create tons more content
Hear, hear! Where would humanity be without unboxing videos, shopping blogs and lolcats!
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>>54774212
I use the GIMP every time I shoop my dank memes. I've never experienced a problem with its UI, and honestly don't really understand what people complain about.
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>>54783442
you are A GENTLEMAN AND A SOUND DUDE
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>>54784105
over rated piece of shit
horrible sound
muh edm
a shit with bad max implementation
you are obviously a 12 years old cracking scene goy
samples are for fags
like you
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pretty much any "responsive content" website. The whole concept might work well on your high-end video editing rig with gigabit connection, but for the rest of us your site is invariably a slow, stuttering mess
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>>54785586
Of course I'm ignoring it, it's fucking ridiculous.
The typical tinfoil /g/ argument.
If mobile devices are so "locked" how come there are so many random joe shmoes making apps for them, hmm? I know a good amount of people that live of that shit.

>>54785599
About the same as it was in the early 00s with everyone's html .th website about fucking dolphins and cooking meth in the garage.
Good riddance to that internet.
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>>54784835
Yeah, consistently like a fucking toy. Why is my workstation/server desktop visually identical to a fucking mobile device or tablet?

"Muh consistency" is just an excuse for stupidity. Anyone who's not a computer illiterate can take what they know of one environment and carry it almost unchanged to most others. If you've used Windows, you've also used KDE, Gnome, LXDE, Mate, Cinnamon, Aqua, and most things ending in "-wm",
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>>54785722
>About the same as it was in the early 00s with everyone's html .th website about fucking dolphins and cooking meth in the garage.
That's not really an argument in favor of all dat "newly created content", doe. Noone ever pretended the web was ever good.
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>>54785722
but but anon I can't install my own OS that means it's not Free® and being Free® is the most important thing above such trivial things like functionality and performance
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>>54785741
Are you literally retarded or are you just ignoring the fact I was talking about how it LOOKS?
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>>54785672
>horrible sound

It's a DAW you retard. It can output the same shit that things like Nuendo can. Garbage in, garbage out.
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>>54785782
You'll notice my entire post was talking about how it LOOKS you illiterate spaz.
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>>54785818
Except you moved onto functionality in the third sentence.
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>>54785827
usage*
I wanted to write usage but got distracted.
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>>54785827
UI design is looks, is it not? That's literally what the entire goddamn post was about. Everything's homogenous - you can learn Windows UI and take the same cues with few changes over to most any other UI.
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>>54785778
You can on an Android phone.
You'll wreck your warranty in the process of course. But no one is stopping you.
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>>54785722
>If mobile devices are so "locked" how come there are so many random joe shmoes making apps for them, hmm? I know a good amount of people that live of that shit.
Because there's a market for it?

You literally sound like someone who would thrive in a FEMA camp because we're all taken care of, and there are all these corporate actors in the military-industrial complex making sure all our needs are met. Freedom? Who needs that when we get our daily HFCS-complete nutrition pills? If I'm lucky, I'll even get my procreation license next year.
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>>54785873
Freedom should be a default feature.
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>>54774212
People can Fix the UI but they can't fix the shit that this program is.
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>>54785874
>not being allowed to install an OS is equivalent to incarceration

And this is why nobody takes you freetards seriously.
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>>54785874
>would thrive in a FEMA camp
I'll probably be one of the guards to be quite honest. And why wouldn't I thrive in it? I was raised in a "socialist" country.

>I want to be able to do things even if those things endanger the property or the lives of other people

>>54785953
Not it should not.
No manufacturer should be punished for the stupidity of the user base.

You rooted your phone. You put some trojan OS on it. And now your device is dead and all your bank accounts are ransomwared.

Tough luck. You're an idiot.
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>>54774212
I actually really like it.
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>>54785970
Given how profoundly digital technology affects society, it may be an exaggeration, but not a fallacy.
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>>54774151
Every 3d modelling program has absolute godawful UI
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>>54785975
>I'll probably be one of the guards to be quite honest.
An outer-party member. How flattering.
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>>54780337
half?
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>>54776120
Because you're a retard unable to use command line.

But even in that case you opened everything you could just to troll here.
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>>54785975
>"socialist"
Why the quote marks?
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>>54786130
Because true socialism and communism have not yet happened!
Or so /his/ and /lit/ tell me.
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>>54786130
True socialism has never been tried :^)
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>>54786158
Right, that dank old meme. I do enjoy the delusion in it.
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>>54774521
Oracle, lots of buisinesses use it for departmental orders/expense accounts
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>>54784335
It isn't, no control over which gets executed first. Order matters
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>>54780958
You fucking moron the defaults are what matter. Spending hours customizing the damn thing is not how it should be.
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>>54787511
>hours
It takes a few seconds.
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>>54787511
>Spending hours customizing
>hours
Dumbfuck, it's literally write "gtk-can-change-accels = 1" (or whatever the new equivalent is in modern gcuck3) in a single config file and then hover over two buttons and press b and p. In Xfce you don't even need to edit shit, you literally tick a single box in the Appearance settings GUI menu. You fucking dumbfuck.
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>>54776162
They did it to create a hermaphroditious touch- and mouseable interface. Because ms always were the best at interaction design...
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