Gentoo Linux
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Why aren't you guys using Gentoo? I mean don't get me wrong; you can use whatever you'd like, but to me Gentoo is awesome.
>Portage
Since I'm compiling everything from source using code for my native CPU architecture there's a significant performance increase overall. I can just set my configuration files in Portage and then let it compile (Which I like more than Ports for FreeBSD.) Portage in itself could probably be a bit faster, It has a lot of potential though.
>No default Systemd
Systemd is supported for those of you who enjoy it. I don't believe it's supported for hardened Gentoo, but that's understandable.
>Great community
Every community has a few bad apples but the Gentoo community is by far my favorite and most respective.
>Highly customizable
You like bleeding edge, vanilla or the latest stable software? Just tell Portage. You like hardened security? Tell GCC and check out Grsecurity2, PaX/PT & XATTR.
I'll always have some love for FreeBSD, Debian, Red Hat, Arch, Slackware LFS ect. but I think I'm sticking with Gentoo for now on.
Only NEETs have time to learn and configure Gentoo.
>>54492350
Only NEETs have the time to learn new skills and enrich their lives
Thanks wageslave
See you at work tomorrow
>>54492391
> he's using gentoo to enrich his life
Too time consuming and frustrating to get it setup. The fact that xorg didn't work out of the box turned me off to it.
Actually I like it, but I don't have time for compiling every fucking package, and I don't think that have any improvement on my cpu.
I did installed on a dual core cpu for fun tho, it took 2 days
I know this might cause rage, but is there really any difference between Arch and Gentoo? They seem like essentially the same thing to me.
I have gentoo on my x60 and it flies but i fucked up portage and can no longer install software. Probably gonna switch to debian since I don't feel like spending 5 days compiling everything from source again
>>54491883
I need adobe software and 3D multimedia software for working, don't have time for neet shit.
>>54492696
does pacman recopile packages?
gentoo recompiles packages by default.
>>54492610
Did you set VIDEO_CARDS?
>>54492696
You are comparing a bleeding edge binary distro with a source based distro with multiple package versions.
>>54492825
Arch has binary packages and builds AUR packages from source
>>54492735
How did portage break?
>>54492845
>1920x1848
That's a weird resolution.
>>54492845
bortage broke becuz i bork it XX--DD
Because I'm actually employable and have a job and want to have a career. Not for the time requirement to get this irc tier circlejerk meme ironically working, but to keep a good attitude about technology and not let the entire thing become a hipster butt diddling contest. I don't know how to compile, and I'm proud! Ubuntu runs the world now since it's 2016 and not 2006.
>>54493785
>I'm actually employable
>I don't know how to compile
Gentoo has a longer setup time compared to something like Debian but it doesn't take days. A typically Gentoo install may take around 4 to 8 hours depending on if you need to setup a GUI and how many other packages you want to install. I spend more time than that setting up machines at work so it doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. I'm planning on using this system for years after all.
Maintenance on Gentoo is easier than any other distribution I've used - that's more what I care about. Portage is amazing and I've never had issues with things breaking. Just set your flags and you are good to go. Videocard driver updates are super easy - just installs like any other package. Set flags and you are good to go. x11 generally works with no config file or at a minimum just specifying the graphics driver to use is all that is required.
After using Gentoo for a few months I'd never want to use another distribution.
>>54492350
/THREAD
>>54493904
Timesink apologists are the best
>it only takes 8 hours or so to install
Mainstream ones take 15 minutes because they respect your time
>maintenance isn't that bad once you get used to it
Mainstream ones maintain themselves for you because they respect your time
You are a hipster/special snowflake. Nothing wrong with that, you just have to admit it. Reason why is every journalist and newfag listens to you for some retarded reason and then we have the same "Linux just isn't -ready- for the mainstream yet" thread because by using this bs they are effectively going back in time to 2002-2006
>>54493785
>Limiting yourself like that
I understand the fact that you don't waste your time in worthless stuff, but you can learn how software works. If you don't know how to compile where are you going to work?
Because I know Linux stuff I am actually more employable, Most Windows users doesn't even know how to use a command line interface. And I am not talking about my mom, I am talking about coworkers.
Get out of your confort zone
>>54491883
Yeah, you can set your config file and assume you know ahead of time every option in every conceivable program, compiling in a bunch of dumb shit you don't actually want just because another package needs it.
Or you can stop being a dumbass when using ports and run "make config-recursive" and stop being a know-nothing idiot.
And by significant performance increase you mean "0.05% faster except in math programs, which dynamically load SSE support, etc anyway, so they don't actually run faster either" right? I'm sure that makes up for the amount of time you waste in maintaining and upgrading your system over the people who do "apt-get upgrade" and are done with it in 15 seconds.
Yep. Great use of your time there donut.
>>54494098
Yup this. The best part about all the "Muh performance gain" shits is that it's always less than the statistical margin of error, always in the 1, 2, 3% range tops. Congrats nerd you bilched your fucking weekend for THIS? Not like you had anything else to fill it up with I guess. This isn't about "superior computing" this is about pretending to put yourself on a virtual superiority ladder above "normies" with futures
>>54494085
Honestly, this just sounds like a post from someone who hasn't used it.
Portage is truly something that does not exist with many other linux options. It shouldn't be shocking that some features and functionality are actually good and people use it for a reason.
Stop acting like investing a few hours into a one time setup is a huge deal. I spend more time jerking off to porn each week.
Fucking 70+ hours a week in front of computer between work and rec. How is a few hour setup time even comparable to bullshit hours pissed away doing countless other things. I'd much rather configure and setup a new system than shitpost.
No fucking shit a debian install can take 15 minutes - I rebuilt a debian database node in the cluster I manage last night. When I needed to build a system quickly that just sits there I used debian. Different distros have different uses.
For my home computer where I have more of a choice? Yeah im not afraid to copy and paste terminal commands for a few hours to have portage.
The ironic thing is that since maintenance on gentoo is so easy it's less of a timesink than all the distro hopping I did earlier with arch, debian, and debian variants. Always came into issues with stuff that wouldn't work right... somehow it just works with gentoo.
I'm not a hipster fuck - I'm a professional in my 30s. I'm going to try what's available and use what I like.
any OS that doesn't automatically detect my wifi card and makes me hunt around for old ass driver packages is dead to me
Recently I've started adding configs to the instance of gitlab running on my homeserver. Really comfy.
But I do
>>54491883
I do run gentoo nigga and i love it too
>>54494094
>but you can learn how software works.
Copy-pasting commands from the Gentoo wiki does not teach anyone how "software works," you NEET. But nice rationalization.
Ain't nobody got time for that shit nigga. Gentoo has some great aspects, but recompiling fucking everything with every update is a fucking pain. And portage is sloooow, by the time I've updated Arch, Gentoo is still checking dependencies.
>>54491883
But I am using gentoo
>>54495163
Yeah you may not memorize all the commands but it's more understanding the process.
Format drives, setup filesystems, setup mounts, install kernel, bootloader, install and configure basic things like dhcp. Getting comfortable with locating and editing configuration files. To imply that you learn nothing is a pretty asinine argument.
>>54491883
how long will take to compile on a core2duo 2Ghz?
Or is not worhty with old equipment?
>>54495216
Again, partitioning your hard drive and starting a dhcp client does not teach you "how software works." It just wastes your time doing what any modern operating system does automatically.
>>54495266
what any installer for a modern operating system does automatically, I mean.
>>54495266
System Administration obviously isn't for everyone, but don't bash on people that want to learn it. Whether I use gentoo or Ubuntu I end up manually configuring my dhcp daemon.
>>54495266
This. You are not faster than your CPU now or a 15 year old one.
>Muh learning
There is no point in "learning" if it has worked, is working, and always has worked automatically. At this point you are trying to fix things that aren't broken for the sake of self aggrandisement.
>>54494940
You're a professional in his 30s that doesn't realize that any gains you get from gentoo pale in comparison to just spending $20 more on your processor?
Seriously, I ran that shit for 6 years back in the early aughts, it breaks about every 18 months and requires a completely rebuild because some package isn't actually maintained correctly, sorting out major package changes is basically impossible.
If you're going to use that crap, use funtoo. All the benefits, and most of the drawbacks are worked around.
The funniest thing about using gentoo was that a system compiled with -Os was faster (in responsiveness) than a system compiled with -O3 --funroll-loops --etc --etc --etc --etc
It's sort of nice on, say, a 2005 g4 ibook where every last % you can squeeze out is a bonus, but it takes three weeks to compile and their cross compile distcc is broken as hell (sort of works for ARM, nothing else works on more than 5% of packages).
I've got a 24 core opteron system. I could cross compile things all I want on that, rebuild world in like an hour. But I still use something else, because gentoo is a flaming pile if you actually care about getting shit done.
>>54491883
GENTOO/Linux
>>54495586
>implying he's even talking about the funroll-loops speed meme
>>54495188
>>54495586
>-O3 --funroll-loops
If you've ever actually tried this you're retarded. I've been running gentoo for years and it has never broke. This post reaks of PEBKAC
>>54495617
Implying that idiots that say "significant performance increase" don't have compile lines that are 28 options long, most of which are actually harmful
>>54495700
Yeah, if you actually optimize code on a distro aimed at optimizing code you're retarded.
That was standard fare in that bullshit OS back in 2003 newb
>>54495774
>a distro aimed at optimizing code
Except it's not. Maybe you should stick the the kiddie distros, Pajeet
>>54491883
There's no actual gain in performance for me if I use Gentoo, a couple of milliseconds more to open a browser is not something I want after wasting 10 hours compiling it.
If I want to build my system just as I like, I'll just use Arch or Debian.
>>54495803
Just use binary packages for stuff like browsers
>>54494085
>You are a hipster/special snowflake. >Nothing wrong with that, you just have to admit it.
Quite a few people think there's something wrong with that so I can see why one wouldn't admit it.
>>54495774
>optimizing code
lol what
Any reason i should switch to this from Funtoo? It doesn't seem much better.
>>54495700
You've obviously not been using it for enough years if you're not aware that when it came out Gentoo advised those exact optimization tags, along with about 5 others.
Now those pussies default to -O2 -pipe.
http://funroll-loops.info/
idiots.
>>54496462
The guy that makes funtoo made gentoo. Then he left and made something else because he realized gentoo is bullshit, and the people that use it are morons.
funtoo is better in literally every way
>>54497037
>someone told me to -O3 so I did
Pajeet, please. You're killing me!
>>54491883
Very well written bait.
>>54497057
Isn't old enough to actually know why Gentoo was made. Thinks it's for the "USE flags" Doesn't actually understand compiler options.
Compiles his system with the same flags as every other vanilla distro. Talks about "ultimate performance!" because he removed jpg2000 support from a shitty clown game.
>>54492610
xorg works out of the box as long as you actually install it right. you need video drivers to make video work friendo. Arch and other distros just compile their kernels with every driver and option for everything installed, resulting in ridiculous bloat. gentoo lets you pick what you want. if you want video drivers, have at it.
>>54497405
Pajeet, I know English isn't your first language but this is terrible reading comprehension!
>>54497052
/thread
I really don't like that time sink argument. It really does only take about 15-20 minutes. (For me it was 45-1hr because it was my first time messing with different encryption methods, lvm and Grsecurity patches.) I'm not counting compile times. You can just watch a movie or something during the initial compile.
>>54497052
>Circular dependencies are better
Wut
>>54497052
This isn't true at all. A small group of devs decided to make Funtoo. Funtoo is not better than Gentoo. If fact it lacks some support that you'll find in Gentoo.
>>54499560
Timesinkers, everyone.
>just get a movie to numb the time waste down and then it won't be so bad
Make sure to watch your movie on another PC with a distro that actually worked ootb for maximum loser irony
I love how most of you who are complaining about Gentoo are actually just making some very common mistakes. Remember that 90% of computer mistakes exist between the keyboard and chair.
>>54499694
You can just use the screen command you fucking idiot. The initial compile time can take a bit but that's it.
>>54493785
>I don't know how to compile, and I'm proud!
I'm gonna teach you right now:
./configure
make && make install
That's it. You can do ./configure --help to find out all the options you can set but for 99% of packages on 99% modern systems defaults are fine. Now you know how to compile. :)
