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So with the new GTX 1080 and 1070 coming out in assuming the 900 series of gpu's price will be dropping and I was wondering if I should buy a second 970 or buy a 1070? Just wanted to get other people's opinions.
if the 1070 is the same price as a 970 at relase with way more performance, why would you buy the 970?
>>54483529
Sell your 970 now and get a 1070 when it comes out.
>>54483542
Because I already have a 970 so I was thinking it would be better in sli with 2 970s
>>54483563
That's kind of what I was leaning toward
>>54483542
Don't stop people from buying 970's it's the only way I can distinguish retards online.
>>54483574
2 970's in SLi ah ha ha ha ha ha
pro tip: don't ever SLI
>>54484295
or crossfire
>>54483574
it might sound good but it's not, don't do it - you will regret it
The prices will drop, but so will performance.
>>54483529
>7.5GB
Hahahaa~
>>54483529
>buying 970
>buying 1070 when polaris is around in a month
Literally can't get more dumber than this shit.
>>54484481
>waiting for poLOLris
>390x performance for $350 polaris 10
fuck that. sli 1070's on day fucking one.
>>54484676
more like 390x performance at $200
>>54484676
>Polaris 10 = 390X
man where do you shills come from?
It's a 2560 shader chip, the 390X is a 2816 shader chip. Now the geometry discard engine added in Polaris has been stated to increase performance by 16% alone. Assuming no clock speed increases, or any other efficiency increases, the P10 already would outperform the 390X.
And remember, they already have stated theres more efficiency improvements than that, and a prototype had benchmarks leaked at 1200mhz.
>>54484676
I heard it's going to be 390x/980 for $200. They're looking to absolutely dominate budget cards since they know they won't win at the top.
>>54484756
nigga you've already been told to fuck off by someone who had linked a legitimate article saying benchmarks with early clocks would be around 390 performance. fuck outta here with your wccftech rumours.
eurogamer > you
>>54483591
Yeah just do it man. The 970 price will go down ( I thinks it's already falling) cuz the 1070. I'm guessing you got Intel. Just play old games for the next couple weeks and you will fine
What is the difference between the 1080 and 1070?
It's about half the price, is it about half the performance?
Also, anyone know if these new GPUs will require a certain type of motherboard/ CPU??
>>54484790
apparently they were planning on releasing them at $250 and $350. many people speculating about the price on tech forums and some reviewer sites also believed this. they also believed the 1070 would be upwards of $450-$500 but now that we know its going to be just over $350 its put amd slightly on the back foot. i very much doubt anyone predicted the 1070 with faster than titan x performance to be at such a low price point. we'll just have to wait and see how amd adjust their pricing now. if they do end up releasing the top end polaris 10 at around $300 then it'll get killed off by the 1070 because the 1070 will be much more powerful for not much more in cost.
>>54484925
>Half Price Half Perfomance
Nah, It's never that simple. Its roughly a 20-25% Perfomance difference between the two.
The 1070 basically became the sweet spot of Gpu due for its Price/Perfomance (If what Nvidia said it true, I would wait for benchmark first)
No you don't need any special mb Or CPU
>>54484954
Think that's where the $200 tumors come from. Only thing that'd really give a shot to eat up some market share. $250 or 275 is probably more likely, though. I'm not going to be too hasty to green or red here. I'll wait until some side by side benchmarks come out and non reference designs have a wide variety to choose from and reviews. I'm in no rush. Only upgrade every ~4 years for gpu as a poorfag. Any my 2gb 7850 is actually holding up like a champ after a fat dose of OC.
>>54483529
>or buy a 1070
>http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/gtx_1080_ashes_of_the_singularity_benchmarks/1
1080 wins by 5fps against a Fury x (16nm vs 28nm). Wait for Polaris atleast, let prices balance out.
>>54485058
>ashes of singularity
Opinion discarded.
Actual benchmarks >>>> synthetic garbage (sponsored by amd). If you base any purchase on these unconfirmed benchmarks you should literally kill yourself.
It's funny how the polaris 10 benchmarks showing the top polaris 10 card being significantly less powerful than the fury x and 980 ti were quickly brushed off like false rumors by amdrones yet this this benchmark is apparently solid fact because everyone's dad works for nvidia now.
Double standards. Either way I'm going with nvidia this gen. I was like many people (and review sites) with my dislike towards the 300 series being a rebrand and so I bought nvidia and I'll be staying with nvidia. Maybe I'll look to amd in 3 years time with the next gen of cards.
>>54484816
You'll see mate, those are the same journos who thought Faraway Islands was real
>>54485158
Nvidia has objectively rebranded more GPU's
hell, where do you think the GTX 8 series went?
>>54485058
Even though everyone hates sli, I'm probably going to run 2 970s in sli
>>54484424
>implying that wouldn't even fucking matter
You AMD fags are so butthurt it's becoming cringy.
>>54485249
I'm a huge fan of nvidia but I've had amd too and they make great cards, no need to hate
>>54485200
I wasn't in the market for a GPU when all the nVidia re-brands were out. I wanted to buy a new GPU at January of last year but, as usual, was told to wait for the next line of AMD cards which I did. They had decent performance till I learnt that they're just overclocked 200 series cards. I had 2 options:
1) Get a cheap 200 series card and overclock it to get pretty much the same level of performance as a 300 series card
2) Buy a GTX series card but have 3.5 GB problems
I ended up getting a GTX series card for piss cheap, which I'm satisfied with. I still am not happy about the re-brand being so much more expensive than the 200 series though. These kind of things stick with me.
>>54485158
Pretty stupid reason when nvidia does even more rebadging.
>>54485360
390 and 390X were generally the same price as the 8gb 290 and 290X
and they weren't /really/ rebrands, there was a base layer respin to take advantage of newer techniques on the process. B1 silicon over the A2 silicon used on the 290X
>>54485249
>be fanboy of any corporation
ehehe~hee~
How're you feeling in your dog-collar?
Let me suggest: It's free as your paycheck for your free promotion of their business.
>>54483529
>buying another 970
it's like you want to get cucked.
>>54484676
it's poolaris.
get your meme right nvidiot.
>>54485483
Kek, I've been using AMD and Nvidia on and off for the past 10 years. That doesn't change the fact that AMD fags are fucking buttfurious right now and I'm just pointing that out.
>>54485158
Who gives a shit if cards are rebrands? If they compete well at the given price point, it doesn't matter. The 900 series was a newer architecture than the r9 300 series, but the 300 series still performed way better in dx12 at every price point. The rebrands proved to be better with newer APIs than the competitor's new cards. Who cares if it's a rebrand if it performs as well as the competition?
>>54483529
oh, i missed this thread. would've posted my question here if I saw it.
i guess i'll link it.
>>54485379
>>54485565
#1
release cards are going to be $450, not $380
#2
Always buy third party unless you absolutely need a blower cooler, which most people don't
#3
Never buy immediately, always wait for benchmarks and investigation, think of how the 970 owners got fucked
#4
No one knows except Nvidia when 3rd party cards will be launched; or even how many 1st party cards will be in stock on release day
>>54485544
>Who gives a shit if cards are rebrands?
I do, is there a problem?
I didn't care about the technology behind it. I just wanted something that will be cheap and last me a few years. I was actually going to pull the trigger on a 390 till I was told by a friend with a 290x that i can get his card for way cheaper (at the time) and it'll perform essentially the newer cards with an overclock. I know both companies pull Jew moves but the fact I was nearly sold a very similar card as a previous 'gen' one for much more didn't play well with me. I had actually been using and AMD card for 8 years before that, even though I was never really interested in playing games till then. I know its probably a non issue for most people but I personally like the best bang for my buck. I'm stingy with my money. I ended up getting a GTX card much cheaper than the retail price of the nVidia and AMD cards which I'm satisfied with anyway.
>>54485665
What card did you get anyways.
Does AMD have anything like Ansel in the pipeline. Otherwise why not get a 1080TI? It'll have Ansel and be out years before AMD comes out with anything else.
Btw super duper hyped for NMS and Ansel.
>>54485485
I don't know why people hate on the 970 when they probably can't even afford a 570. Go buy a console pleb
>>54485708
nVidia GTX 980
>>54485730
>Ansel
really?
It's just a hacked in noclip and pause with some filtering.
>>54485764
Your point? Gon be so based with NMS bro dis gon be good.
>>54484306
Why regret?
>>54485730
>ansel
the real deal is the multi monitor stuff. i have 2 1080p monitors and im gonna get a 3rd one to pair with the 1080.
>>54483615
>>54484306
This. It's shit.
>>54485790
exactly. You really can't get less performance with 2 cards
>>54485758
I was almost hoping it was a 770 so I could've laughed at you for avoiding a rebrand to buy a rebrand
Vega coming in October. I repeat, Vega coming in October.
1070 =$479
1080 =$699
Make your move
Polaris to dominate 0-$275 market.
Why pay $479 for a gpu when you're probably at 1920x1080. 4k is a meme currently, ESPECIALLY for gaming
>>54485862
>770
I was looking at these cards but they didn't run Witcher 3 very well. The minimum I would have got was either the GTX 970 or AMD 390 but I was presented with a good part-exchange deal for a GTX 980.
>>54485905
Looks cool buuuuut...
Ain't nobody got time for that
>>54485907
>purposely giving the higher price point of the reference card even though vendors have confirmed to be making cards cheaper
yeah, i will make my move. im getting a 1070 or 1080 >>54485852 to play on multi monitors
>>54485919
Yeah the 770 was a 680 rebrand, the only new cards in the 7 series were the top end GK110 based cards (780, 780 Ti) and GM107 (750, 750 Ti)
the 8 series was just a straight rebrand of the entire 7 series 1:1
>>54485945
How you gonna feel when your 4 month old GPU has the old style of VRAM?
>>54485905
Source? I'm actually waiting for Vega
>>54485993
>videocardz.com/59808/amd-vega-gpu-allegedly-pushed-forward-to-october
My two 1300MHz overclocked 980 Tis are not concerned about some pleb 1070 and 1080.
Wake me when the 1080 Ti with HBM2 comes out.
>>54485993
I can't find shit on google news. its probably some unknown rumor website that's reporting speculation
>>54486002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Scm6boqNeo
Not surprising. HMB2 must be ahead of schedule. Here's a video from March of the maker of HBM2 saying it will be ready by September.
>>54486010
1300 MHz is a pleb overclock desu
>>54485993
>>54486002
Intredasting
October was the original release date before it got pushed back due to packaging issues with HBM2
Maybe it got fixed rapidly?
http://semiaccurate.com/2015/11/30/37856/
http://semiaccurate.com/2016/03/22/why-did-amd-slip-polaris-and-vega/
>>54485992
I can easily get another 2 years out of my 900 series, just because I can upgrade doesn't mean I'm going to
>>54486062
I guess you're just not that into tech.
>>54486002
this guy hit the nail on the head
>>54483529
I just bought a 980ti from evga a month am i fucked?
>>54486077
I thought Vega 10 could be paired with GDDR5/X, just without the interposer. Or was that Pascal I'm thinking about?
>>54485907
It won't cost 480 fucking bucks you retard.
>>54486077
Everyone knew Polaris wasn't going to beat GP104 for months though. I think he's right about Vega being expensive though. It's not going to have any competition in October though so they have to get it out before GP100 beats it. This is good if you are waiting for 1080 Ti (you should be if not going 1070) because Nvidia will undercut AMD's HBM2 card price.
>>54486103
The Founders Edition will.
>>54486103
only the reference one will, but who buys reference shit anyway. they're obviously selling it at that price so they can make a profit with these reference cards compared to just about breaking even with previous gen low priced reference cards. its good and bad pricing at the same time.
the nice evga superclocked, gigabyte g1 gaming, asus strix and msi gaming cards will be way cheaper and probably superior.
those nvidia cards are going to be sold out and you will have to pay overprice to get them. the new fab process makes them more likely to fail and it will take at least some 6 months until basic linux support is there for them. not to mention they're too expensive for 1080p
>>54486107
http://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/03/thing-go-bumpgate-in-the-night-for-nvidias-gp100-pascal-gpu/
lol
Q3 2017
>>54486107
this
>>54486159
>linux
>1080p
These cards aren't for you.
>>54486091
980ti should hold you over for years. Don't fall victim to a meme
>>54486166
>believing a blog that was literally banned from attending any future Nvidia event
kek, you can just taste that salt all over the blog. His lies started the whole wood screws meme, when it was stated several times during the press event that Huang was holding a demonstration model, not the actual card.
>>54483529
When will EVGA and such release their cards?
>>54486091
How does that EVGA trade-in program work? Can't you just pay a bit extra for a new card?
>>54486197
Well if EVGA hurries and releases their card i might be able to get it for free through this program.
http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/
>>54486206
First board partner to tease their card is Gigabyte and they said "June".
>>54486217
see
>>54486221
90 days. so i have 60 days for evga to release their card. Since its the same price i should get it for free(ish).
>>54486221
I saw a screencapped convo with an EVGA Pajeet saying the 1080 might not be in Step-up.
>>54486203
lol i just did some searching about that guy and apparently he talks the most shit on his blogs. thanks for the heads up. i would have actually believed the article
>>54486091
Report it as broken to your credit card company. I'm covered for 3 months you fucking hick.
>>54485665
You're missing my point. I was saying that price/performance ratio should be the only thing that matters. If you got a good deal on the 980, that's fine, but the 390x/290x competes well with it at the same regular price point. In this case, you should decide your purchase based on benchmarks in games you play, power consumption, features, etc. If the rebrand comes out on top - and in many cases, AMD cards do - then why would you buy the other card? Because 'muh rebrand'? AMD could afford to rebrand for the 300 series because the 900 series was not much of a step up from the 700 series, allowing the 200 series cards to remain competitive.
>>54483529
I'd wait to decide until there's more data available.
My little brother just asked me to help him build a gaming desktop with a budget of ~$800. If the 1070 lives up to the hype, and if I can find one on sale for ~300, it's definitely worthwhile to use it in the build. I'll have to cheap out on the mobo/cpu, but I'll probably be going with a non-k regardless, it's a purely gaming rig and he won't have much use of an overclocked i7.
On the other hand, the older cards are going to be sold at a much more discounted rate when the new lineups are released, so for all I know, he might end up getting a Fury.
Basically, you should wait until there's more data about the 1070, and even then, wait until they're released to compare the price/performance of the discounted cards vs. the new cards.
>>54486252
>credit card fraud
>inappropriate image mocking disaster victims
You are really a piece of work aren't you.
>>54486279
>if I can find one on sale for ~300
You can not.
>>54486203
Bullshit, they stated that the demos had been running on a GTX 480
Then they showed off a card that had its PCB crudely hacksawed off. The woodscrews were just a side meme.
>>54486279
Sounds like solid advice but if I were you I wouldn't cheap out on processor and motherboard
>>54486279
>it's a purely gaming rig and he won't have much use of an overclocked i7
Games are using CPU more and more these days.
>>54486027
>>54486322
True but all you need for gaming is a good i5. Games won't take advantage of hyper threading
>>54486291
Give ur balls a tug, yuh fuckin Sally
>>54486324
So Polaris 10 is the best Polaris and Vega 11 is the best Vega? I'm so confused, AMD. Also why are they calling Nvidia's big Pascal card GP102 instead of GP100?
>>54486324
I have the feeling that Vega 10 vs 1080 is going to be like Fury X vs 980 Ti. Yeah the AMD card will have HBM but it won't help it much and Nvidia card will overclock like a champ while the AMD will be maxed from the factory.
>>54486291
lol
>>54486291
Pussy
>>54485519
>That doesn't change the fact that AMD fags are fucking buttfurious right now and I'm just pointing that out
How do you even know if it's all? Could be one person. But if you think like a apple user and like to add extra zeros I guess I won't stop you.
>>54483529
don't buy old nvidia cards anon, they nerfed them with newer drivers so people are forced to buy new ones.
Just wait a few weeks and buy the 1070.
>>54486399
i feel this as well. even the 900 series nvidia cards overclocked beautifully. amd is competitive on paper, stock vs stock but the 900 series really outshone the 300 series with its overclocking capability. hell, an overclocked 970 could match or better a 980 yet an overclocked 390 could barely reach a 390x.
>>54486487
I've heard that before but I don't believe it, I have a sencond computer with a 660 ftw in it and I can still run most modern games on high or medium
>>54486523
You gotta wonder why Nvidia cards don't come from the factory with higher clocks then. It seems like they are intentionally running their cards slower just so they don't completely blow AMD out of the water or some other reason.
>>54486607
They come clocked lower so they can advertise to the overclocking community how well they overclocking when in reality they could come with a higher clock speed stock
>>54486523
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/R9_390_Nitro/26.html
what
>>54486077
Original plan for HMB2 GPU is this year anon.
But it got pushed into 2017 (for both Nvidia and AMD) due to some issue with HBM2 manufacturer.
>http://wccftech.com/amd-allegedly-facing-trouble-sourcing-hbm2-chips-arctic-islands-gpus-mainstream-lineup-stick-hbm1/
They are not pushing the new release date because of Pascal, but merely because of the new devopment in regard of HBM2 that get them right back to the original schedule.
Maxwell is where it's at. Coast with Maxwell. Pascal doesn't have async compute still, so wait until gtx 11xx. And it's still not good enough for vr or 4k.
>>54486649
I thought that was part of it. It's funny to me that so many people don't even OC their cards though.
>>54486159
Sold out to who? Yuo mean the veryt people wiht their money ready to buy once on sale.....yeah. That is how it is supposed to work. The late comers may have to wait for stock but those of us ready to buy won't deal with that.
>>54486607
>You gotta wonder why Nvidia cards don't come from the factory with higher clocks then.
for the same reason any amd card won't come out of the factory with higher clocks.
1. they can advertise their coolers as being more efficient because the card won't run as hot with lower clocks
2. lower clocks = lower power consumption. only hardcore 'gamers' will look at how far any card can be clocked. most casuals will just see that it has low power consumption and buy it because it'll work with their shitty 400w psu in their crappy prebuilt.
3. not every card is the same, the silicon lottery. they can't just release the 970 for example running at 1450 mhz at stock. every chip will be different and some might not achieve those clocks and its stupid for a manufacturer to discard those chips. the base clock will be the clock every single gpu manufactured can achieve without any problems
you get board partners like evga, msi, gigabyte etc who release higher binned chips for higher clocks, so the option is there if you're a hardcore overclocker and want to oc the shit out of your gpu.
It looks to me that Nvidia is launching these card a tad bit too early.
Why the fuck are they avoiding Computex?
>>54486247
cant find sauce anywhere. anyone got it?
>>54486652
see >>54486729
with the 390, look at more than one review. some of them cant even get more than a 30mhz overclock which is point no.3 in my post.
>>54486758
Not him, but my 290x can get a stable 1150 no sweat. That's 15% over 1000mhz stock clock. Not really impressive but still significant
>>54486607
>>54486729
They used to do that ie 7900 GT, GTO and GTX all being the same chip and same shader count, just different clocks
or 6800 GT, Ultra, and Ultra Extreme
>>54486758
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_r9_390/
Oddly they list the stock as 1060, when it's actually 1000.
It's also good to remember the 390's baseclock is 662mhz.
>>54486739
>>54486973
>has 2 980s
>falls for upgrade meme
>>54486996
Why wouldn't he if he can step-up. It'd be free or close to it.
>>54487216
There's no way evga is going to let people trade in for the 1080 within the next year. No company on earth is going to purposely lose money
>>54486312
>>54486322
I don't doubt it, however for a strict budget and somebody who doesn't care much about their computer hardware, he isn't going to need it.
The way I see it, he'll likely gain more performance from spending more on a higher-end graphics card than he will on a higher-end CPU. While there are games that utilize CPU heavily, you still frequently see more fps from having a higher quality graphics card than you do by increasing the number of threads. Spending an additional ~200 on cpu/mobo and buying a $150 GPU is likely to see lower performance than spending $350 on the GPU, and considering how advanced today's processors are, the $350 GPU probably won't come close to bottlnecking the non-k i5.
I've wrestled with the idea of going for something in a higher tier, and if prices go down enough by the time we do this build, I might. Hell, that $360 deal for the i7-6700k + Mobo today was pretty damn tempting, but I still couldn't justify it for the lesser performance compared to buying a high-end GPU.
That said, I'm open to recommendations. I haven't gamed in years, so I wouldn't be able to tell you where the industry's headed. I keep up with the releases of new hardware because it's one of those habits that's tough to drop, but I mainly focus on work nowadays.
>>54487302
I don't know, they are pretty big cucks. I kind of hope they don't though. There's lots of people buying 980 Ti's right now with the plan to step-up in a month to the 1080 and it will be funny to see them get fucked.
>>54487357
If you go with the lga1151 socket you can pick up a brand new i5 6500 on Amazon for like $200 and he would be set for the next 4 years
>>54486077
AMD has a delay:
>They're doomed!
AMD is ahead of schedule:
>They're doomed!
They're pretty much where they originally started. Fuck.
>>54486203
I feel like that gives him more credibility, in some sense.
>>54486713
Just extra bonus, now they'll upgrade sooner.
>>54487636
Amd isn't doomed. They will always be around because they almost always have the best price to performance as long as you don't mind higher power consumption which most people don't because it seems like the standard power supply is 700 watts now anyway
>>54487755
Yeah right. If they really dropped 30 fps there'd be a class action lawsuit.
>>54487755
Are you aware Fallout 4 1.3 update added HBAO and Nvidia Flex to the game, right?
HBAO runs on both Nvidia and AMD hardware, but Nvidia Flex only on Nvidia.
>>54487755
you do know that this game update fucked with the day one driver optimizations nvidia put out, right? this problem was fixed with a driver update from nvidia a few days later.
youtube is your friend. feel free to confirm what i just said with some actually driver update gameplay.
>>54487915
actual*
http://web.archive.org/web/19961112163115/http://www.nvidia.com/
doushio~
>>54487995
Reason #1.
It makes your computer perform like a graphics workstation that costs thousands of dollars more.
Reason #2.
You can play arcade-quality video games on your computer.
Reason #3.
It out-performs all the other video cards with 3D enhancements.
Reason #4.
You can get cool SEGA games designed to run on NVIDIA products.
Reason #5.
It can handle 3D-mapped pictures, sound, video and a joy-stick all at one time.
Reason #6.
It is backed by some of the biggest computer and video game companies in the world.
Reason #7.
It can handle 300,000 polygons per second.
Reason #8.
It is by far the coolest 3D enhanced chip on the market.
Reason #9.
It allows photo-realistic 3D graphics.
Reason #10.
It is made by the coolest and most revolutionary computer company in the world.
You keep saying wait for polaris but we wont be seeing that for a good while and I need a card nowish. the 1070 is looking pretty good to me.
>>54488024
This was when the only product they had on the market was the NV1 chip
wasn't even DX compatible lol
>>54488037
>for a good while
>1070 launches June 10th
>already confirmed AMD will unveil it between May 26th and May 29th
where the fuck do you people come from?
>>54488037
Nobody is saying wait for Polaris.
>>54488037
Then buy it. I'm not waiting for polaris either. If amd fucked up their launch dates their fault. I'm in need of a gpu upgrade and the 1070 looks like amazing value for money.
>>54488102
*that's their fault
>>54488086
>implying polaris will be available to buy on those dates
Nah. 1070 it is.
Do multicore processors allow one to game and tab out to do other things and yet keep the whole system stable? I know that games usually use two processors and lots of programs only use one processor.
How do virtual threads compare to physical cores? Is a system with a processor with six physical cores better at doing this kind of stuff than one with four physical cores and four virtual threads?
>>54488037
Wait for Vega
>>54488142
Cont'd
I'm guessing that some processors with six physical cores have virtual threads so a better question would be, how do six physical cores being utilized compare to four physical cores and two virtual threads?
>>54488142
Nah it doesn't really work like that.
>>54485859
you can
>>54485907
I'd like something that can run VR at really good frame rates. Plus I'll probably buy a 4K monitor before I replace the next GPU I buy so I'd like it to have the capability already.
>>54488128
AMD is pretty good on release times off new processes actually
HD7970 was 18 days from announce to release
HD5870 was 13 days from announce to release
If they announce on the 26th they'd have 15 days, well within what they've done prior.
>>54483529
AMD's Macau event is scheduled for 1 day before the 1080 launches.
Shit is going down.
Samsung 14LPP advantages over TSMC 16FF+
>20% denser
>20% more efficient
>>54488416
>1000% bad yields
>>54487819
Read again, that's a % difference, not a raw FPS difference.
And yes, it DID happen because that was when HBAO+ was introduced.
>>54488416
Hopefully Polaris wrecks Nvidia's shit and Huang has a heart attack.
>>54483529
If you play at 1080p and 60Hz... just keep your GPU.
If you play at 144Hz or 1440p you might want to consider upgrading.
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Huang said that the 1070 will be faster than Titan X, but forgot to mention that it's only in VR with multiprojection. Performance in normal games will be much lower. The 1070 has 6.5 Tflops, while the 1080 that has 9. That makes it 72% as fast. For the 1070 to be as fast as the 980 Ti/Titan X, the 1080 would have to be almost 40% faster than them, and we already know that's not the case. The 1070 will be around normal 980 performance, and cost more than a 980 now because only the founders edition will be available at first. If Polaris will offer the same performance but for 300$ instead of 450+, why not get that instead?
>>54488657
Shut the fuck up and wait for the legitimate reviews and benchmarks to come out before spreading more speculation tumours. We have no idea how the 1070 will perform and we have no idea what price polaris will be or how it will perform.
Jesus Christ, I swear just the fact these retard fanboys (especially amd ones) don't even wait for hard facts and instead love to spam speculation all the damn time is making me want to buy nvidia more and more everyday.
>>54488733
Rumors *
>>54488657
Uh oh.
>>5448873
>especially AMD ones
>implying nvidia users aren't regurgitating marketing bullshit all over the board
I use nvidia but let's be real here, it's been nothing but fanboy nvidia threads swallowing huang's cock since the reveal.
>>54488657
>For the 1070 to be as fast as the 980 Ti/Titan X, the 1080 would have to be almost 40% faster than them, and we already know that's not the case.
No it won't you retard. If the 1080 at stock is faster than the titan x buy ~25% give or take a few, that speculated 30% gap you're talking about will still put a 1070 within 5% of a titan x which could increase based on clock speeds. The normal 980 stock is NOT within 5% of a titan x. You're honestly a retard if you think that.
Stop watching adoredTV for once and do some math yourself.
>>54488733
I'm not an AMD fanboy. I have a GTX 3.5 memecard. But the current situation looks disappointing because of Nvidia's retarded pricing. 70 is the new 80, 80 is the new 80 Ti, and 80 Ti will probably be the new Titan pricewise.
>>54488835
No. You are a retard. The 80 cards have always been over $500. If you're trying to imply the 1070 is being priced at x80 prices you're a fucking spastic. The x70 cards have always been in the $300 price range.
Also see
>>54484954
>>54488821
That's now how percents work. Who's the retard now?
>>54488898
>I confirm I'm a retard: the post
This is just a random question, but I was wondering if I have an i5 2500k oc'd to 4.5ghz. Will I need to get a better cpu for the new cards? I don't think that this processor is bogged down by anything that I throw at it. But I don't want to bottleneck my card when I ultimately get one.
>>54488894
>The 80 cards have always been over $500
Of course they have, but this one is going to be $700.
>The x70 cards have always been in the $300 price range.
The founder's jew edition is $450, and it will be the only 1070 until custom cards come out. It will take a while, and maybe the card manufacturers don't want to sell their cards $100 cheaper if they can ask for more.
>>54488940
You'll be ok but not great
I'd say it's time to upgrade
>>54488957
Doesn't help that every retard with an internet connection is broadcasting that they'd rather have the aftermarket card to the founders anyways.
>>54488957
>Of course they have, but this one is going to be $700.
599* fixed that for you.
>The founder's jew edition is $450, and it will be the only 1070 until custom cards come out.
No it won't take a while. Board partners take less than a month to finalise their custom cards. They're already working on them now. Stock availability is a different thing all together.
> It will take a while, and maybe the card manufacturers don't want to sell their cards $100 cheaper if they can ask for more.
Are you really this thick? Board partners will want to sell their cards for as low as they possibly can. Lower price for the same product = more customers and more sales. All board partners will be targeting that $379 MSRP price just like they've been doing for years. The reason the reference cooler is higher priced is for the sole reason of not competing with the board partners. Nvidia want their card to be their for the life of the card but they don't want to undercut the other companies who make their own cards. Educate yourself before you say stupid things.
>>54489043
Card to be there*
>>54489043
>Lower price for the same product = more customers and more sales
Shit man, that's not how it works. All of them are going to sell like crack-infused hotcakes regardless. They will be out of stock everywhere.
>>54489043
since when is reference more expensive than custom cooled versions
>>54484676
SLI two budget cards instead of saving money by buying one 1080 that will outperform sli 1070s.
>Nvidiots
>>54489088
Nvidia has a decent plan for their reference cards.
https://youtu.be/LJ0AoYSH01g
>>54488894
>80 cards always over 500
what
>5800 Ultra: $400
>6800 GT: $400
>7950 GT: $350
>9800 GTX: $300
>GTX 480: $500
>GTX 580: $500
>GTX 680: $500
Infact the $700 reference 1080, the only one at launch, is the highest price Nvidia has ever asked for a GPU outside of 8800 Ultra for $830 and the prosumer Titan's. The only other GPU ever put at the same price was the 780 Ti, and you all know how that crashed quick.
>>54489094
I highly doubt one 1080 will outperform a 1070 SLI setup. But either way I don't recommend a x70 series SLI rig since the Ti will end up beating it without any SLI compatibility issues. SLI is only good if no one makes a single card that does the resolution/framerate you want.
>>54489122
Oh it's Jimmy 2centz, great.
>>54489141
>nearly of them withing the $500 price range
>he didn't include the $550 980
I guess I was right
>>54489215
Within*
>>54489122
That's frustrating. I need a card asap and I wasn't really planning to wait til June/July, but now I feel like I'll be throwing money away for founders edition.
>>54489158
What's the problem?
>>54486279
>1070 confirmed to be 450 before taxes
>anon expects to get one for 300
Dream on, kid.
>>54489088
Since forever, try finding a GTX 970/980 reference and compare the prices.
When the GTX980Ti released it was only sold by Nvidia owns website for a while.
AMD reference cards are cheaper because their reference cooler sucks but Nvidia's is pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE
>>54489215
Didn't include the $600 280 either, though that dropped to $500 a few weeks after release because the HD4870
>>54489369
$100 price drop weeks after release. AMD is pure scum.
>>54489473
How would you feel if you paid full price?
>>54489596
Full price for what?
>>54489596
It's your own damn fault, all early adopters know they can potentially be screwed.
>>54489615
Really? A few weeks? That's not early adopters paying premium it's gouging customers.
>>54489642
>gouging customers
>$100 price drop because of competition
What, did you buy one and you're still salty as fuck about it? They paid a hundred to own it a little earlier than everyone else, tough shit. If you're really upset about it happening to you return it and buy it again from somewhere else.
>>54489717
I'm not sinking to AMD's level.
>>54483529
Just get a 1070
>>54489642
>>54489717
>>54489801
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2549
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2556
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325648,00.asp
that was a fun few weeks on /g/ let me tell you. The amount of shitposting was enormous.
Will a 1070 be enough for 4K? I don't even game that much
>>54483574
>SLI with 3,5gb Ram
>SLI for anything gaming related
don't do it
>>54489888
Maybe wait for the benchmarks and see
Do you think vapor chamber in reference cooler worth $100?
They don't usually use vapor chambers on GPUs.
>>54486010
all leaked benchmarks till now indicated that
GTX1080@stock > GTX980TI 1500MHz
>>54483574
save money and buy single card one step lower from flagship every two-three years
>>54489929
Sapphire does on some of their cards
>worth $100 extra
No. Not for the high fan noise and higher load temps than 3rd party coolers
>>54489946
because it runs at 1.8ghz and if you OC 980ti to close to that they are equal
>>54489952
i think they did that only on 290x and dropped the idea with 3xx
Nvidia seems to think that 100 for a cooler on GPU is fine, no special bining, terrible power support that probably blows under OC.
But guys LOOK it runs at 67C "ON AIR"(but it's actually vapor chamber that could've handled prescott level of heat if needs be).
>>54489955
>if you OC 980ti to close to that they are equal
>what is the silicon lottery
You have to buy a fucking Evga classified if you want to even get close to clocks that high. Fuck that, I'd rather buy a 1080 for $599 than a really high binned 980 ti for $800 to get slightly worse performance than a 1080.
1080 >>>>> OC 980 ti.
>>54485249
>butthurt over butthurt
>>54488037
>need a card nowish
tell me more about how these low yield cards will have you playing games when their availability will cause vendors to increase their pricing just to keep them on the shelves for a relative amount of time
>>54489955
>clock to clock comparisions
>>54484295
Why?
>>54488569
Polaris might even be worse than their current r9 series in terms of performance
It's this years Cayman(HD69**) series
>>54490020
in short, too much of a hassle
>>54490000
>>54490015
That's the freaking point. It still means the same thing - they barely improved IPC and just put more power through 16nm chip that can handle it now.
>>54490039
Who cares how they did it, point is it's faster than 980Ti OC
>>54490035
we have 1080 benches, we still have nothing on polaris except hitman on 1440p at 60fps
stop spreading bullshit
>>54490051
people that buy those for computing care
I care because I wanted revolution and got rehash and marketing lies.
>>54490071
>b-b-but faster doesn't mean b-b-better
That's you right now
>>54489596
so you dont remember what happened with GT200(gtx280) series after ATI released their RV770(4870)?
>>54489888
this year, nothing gets released, which will be enough for 4k
>>54490071
>I care because I wanted revolution and got rehash and marketing lies.
>implying you were even considering nvidia in the first place
Fanboys are easy to spot on this board as there are so many if then (including you) floating about.
>>54490107
well, I actually was considering nvidia if benchmarks would gain 15% on 980ti they gained 5%
>>54489843
OOH what a year that was
bought there my 4870x2 for 380€
>>54490037
Is there a problem with the drivers?
How is it a problem?
>>54489955
well then why dont you just get a 980ti and overclock it to 1,8/2,1 GHz.
so easy
>>54490124
>no game support
>shitty support
>driver problems
>stutter
>strong stutter in some games
and things I forgot, SLI/CF is shit stop using it let developers work on proper optimization instead of wasting time on you 1% of idiots
>>54490124
I don't know, I don't sli or crossfire.
It's a common knowledge that single card is always better. Do your research.
are 980 TI owners the stupidest cunts ever? we told you to wait.
>>54490052
http://videocardz.com/59725/nvidia-gtx-1080-polaris-10-11-directx12-benchmarks
>>54490117
they gained far more than that if these leaks turn out to be true.
you can OC that 1080 too btw
and everything we saw till now are rumors.
also this
>>54490090
>>54490152
They are trying their best to downplay the 1080, cognitive dissonance in full swing
>>54490124
Many games don't support it, occasionally someone will figure out a profile for it in Nvidia Inspector but don't count on it. Either way be prepared to wait. Stuttering can be pretty bad as well, depending on the settings. More than two cards is not recommended for this reason. Don't even try SLI in Linux, it's fucking awful even with proprietary drivers.
>>54490152
bought my TI last year, sold it few days ago for 600
ME NO STUPD
>>54490117
>all benchmarks show the stock 1080 25% faster than a stock 980ti
>it takes a heavily over clocked $900 980 ti to match a stock 1080
>leaked overclock benchmarks show between a 40% and 50% increase over a 980 ti on a regular binned chip 1080
>it wasn't even priced to compete with the 980 ti or titan x but instead priced to compete with the original 980
>gets even bigger performance metrics compared to a 980
>i-it's only 5% guys
>i-I'm not an amdshill I swear
Kill yourself
>>54490152
It's a year old card, a year of top-tier performance is probably worth it to the owners. Plus it still rapes any DX11 game, and DX12 doesn't really matter right now. The only well-optimized DX12 game is Forza, which still runs great on the 980Ti.
>>54490124
they dont scale that well, the game has to support it, you need profiles, it's not gonna get continuously updated, a new patch/driver might make problems again but fixes problems for other games, it looks like it's stuttering despite having >60fps(depends on the game again), etc.
it's not worth it for gaming
>>54490149
>It's a common knowledge that single card is always better.
Obviously, that's why an i7 has better single thread performance than an E7.
>>54490141
I thought any support problems would lie with the hardware and OS.
>>54490141
>instead of wasting time on you 1% of idiots
Aren't you quick to judge.
They wouldn't care about me anyway.
I was just thinking of linking up some old 8800s.
>>54490141
And this is exactly why adoredtv's "masterplan" will never come true.
>>54485626
>a blower cooler
How is that different than regular coolers?
>>54490245
Better in cases with very little airflow as all the heat goes out the back.
>>54490260
Is that you Jake 2 cents?
>>54490231
>They wouldn't care about me anyway.
they care about people with dual cards for marketing reasons and waste hundreds and hundreds of hours to make that shit work
curse that day when nvidia made SLI mainstream and didn't keep it for enterprise only
>>54490269
it's true though if case doesn't have side panel vents
>>54490231
>Obviously, that's why an i7 has better single thread performance than an E7.
your point?
I just woke up so maybe I'm misreading but are you comparing multi GPUs with a multi thread/core CPU?
>>54490245
Because people who build those spastic mini itx builds and post them in /guts/ need a blower style card or it'll fry itself because of limited airflow. Blower cards are more popular then you think.
>>54490271
yeah, I remember a time where SLI was miles ahead on CF
I don't know what happened after that though since I stopped caring for that stuff at that time.
>>54490314
nothing, ATi just made crossfire and they became equally bad for quite some time
now it's slowly dying in both camps because everyone is tired to make it work
>>54490231
>I thought any support problems would lie with the hardware and OS.
It's almost entirely on the devs and the engine itself. For example idTech 5 didn't have any multi-GPU support, so Wolfenstein The New Order had exactly 0% scaling. Many games actually give you lower performance for some reason. There are some examples where SLI is effective like Tomb Raider and Assassin's Creed Unity, but for the most part it's not worth it. The only reason to do SLI/Xfire is if you have the best card on the market and want even more performance.
>>54490286
Bullshit. I ran blowers and they were terrible compared to fans. I don't care how small your case is.
>>54486399
Your feelings are wrong and retarded, you pansy ass faggot.
>>54490303
When you have to drive more hardware, it's always slower than a faster single device.
>>54490368
No one is saying they're better than aftermarket fans in general. They're better in specific cases like running 3 way sli or in very small cases or cases with limited airflow. Normal aftermarket coolers blow air back into the case whereas reference coolers blow air out the back which provide way better cooling in those situations.
>>54490346
So you're saying it's the same situation as when the devs don't want to optimize beyond a quad core processor?
>>54490271
I said they wouldn't care because I tend to only buy old shit.
>>54490209
>it wasn't even priced to compete with the 980 ti or titan x but instead priced to compete with the original 980
>$700
>Priced to compete with $500 980
U wot m8
>>54490456
I don't think so. Even in SLI with no gap they absolutely cook. They just don't move enough air over the fins with one fan.
>>54490124
I made the mistake of buying two 460's instead of a single 480 back when those were new, it was slightly cheaper for slightly more performance in theory but in reality there is stuttering, other random tech issues, half the games don't even support it so you are playing on a single card anyways, every driver/patch/settings tweak has increased risk of fucking something up, etc.
Only reason you should go SLI is if you have too much money for your own good and the flagship card isn't good enough for you, in which case you could get multiple flagship cards in SLI.
>>54490488
>980
>$550
>1080
>$599
