You have exactly 15 minutes to explain why you're using GNU/Linux instead of the superior alternative, FreeBSD.
Fuck BSD
I'm using GNU/Linux-libre to avoid binary botnet blobs
I'm looking forward to LibertyBSD
>>54451640
Because I live in the 21st century.
>>54451640
It's too obscure and Arch Gnu/Linux suffices my needs.
>>54451640
What you're referring to as BSD is actually BSD/Nothing-werks or as I like to call it BSD + Nothing-werkz
how will i watch porn on it
>>54451640
Superior drivers, better FPU code, better general purpose FS, superior security, and faster development. It's also in general easier to deploy, and thus, more user friendly. The GNU userland, is also nearly bulletproof, and I find that there are more reasons to use GNU over the BSD coreutils than Linux over BSD. BSD has the advantages of pf (nftables will likely be defacto once it is mature), ZFS (although once BTRFS reaches maturity this advantage will be negated as well), and centralized development, if that is an advantage at all.
>>54451832
>superior security
[citation needed]
Im installing BSD in a VM right now to try things out and see how stuff works.
Im isntaling xfce right now, but what Display manager should I use?? How do services work in BSD?? HELP!
>>54451793
You must run the windows version of firefox in wine. Yes, bsd sucks that hard.
>>54451640
I use Gentoo Linux which is abouts as superior to GNU as openBSD is to freeBSD
>>54451898
>program doesn't work on OS
>it's the OS's fault
Gee, sounds fermiliar.
I don't see any benefits in using BSD.
>>54451898
well that's not true at all
802.11 n/ac
shitty driver support or something
I would be using it if the wireless worked but it don't
>>54451640
You have exactly 15 minutes to explain why I should use FreeBSD over GNU/Linux.
>>54451684
LibertyBSD makes absolutely no sense.
Just don't use closed hardware if you don't want closed blobs uploaded to that closed hardware.
Rice and to be truly libre
For one thing, I don't want to watch the grass growing while I wait for my machine to boot.
>>54451832
BSD had network capability before any other OS
WHY ARE THEY SO BEHIND NOW IF THEY HAVE SUPERIOR & FASTER DEVELOPMENT?
How do you start/stop system services in BSD?
>>54451832
>BTRFS reaches maturity
in 1000 years maybe
>>54452147
What BSD?
OpenBSD has rcctl. But you can do it the old fashioned /etc/rc.d/ way.
>>54452311
I'm using OpenBSD and I want to run gdm (gnome display manager) at boot. Not sure how I would go about doing this.
>proprietary blobs
No thanks. I like my Libreboot and Trisquel.
>>54452330
http://man.openbsd.org/rc.conf.8
You'll probably want to add
pkg_scripts=gdm
To your /etc/rc.conf
>>54452360
So what you're saying is you have no self-control and buy closed source hardware?
Because my 10TB of backed up data are in ext3 so to be able to use BSD, I'd need to purchase 10TB more storage, format it to whatever fs BSD uses, then copy it all over from the ext3 storage.
That kind of investment isn't worth it for an OS that has shit hardware support, isn't tailored to the desktop market in the least, that I have to compile every goddamn thing I want to install. I didn't buy that shit with genpooinloo portage and I'm certainly not buying it with BSD ports
>>54452382
>that I have to compile every goddamn thing I want to install
That's how I know that you don't know anything.
>>54452079
>closed
>>54452374
>closed source
Say "nonfree" instead; that says freedom matters.
>>54451932
>program doesn't work
They're talking about streaming video though. That's a little more than a program not working.
Who the fuck wants to use an OS where they can't even stream video?
>>54452396
Shut the fuck up, freetard.
No one but you and your butt buddy Stallman cares about these semantics.
>>54452425
He said watch, not stream.
>>54452394
Is there a "superior" method of installing software with a package manager that does not require compiling it?
>>54452436
Who stores porn locally these days?
>>54452462
Yes. Literally every BSD has a package manager.
At least do some research before saying stupid shit. But you're a tripfag, so maybe I'm expecting too much out of you.
>>54452435
I've thought with orange abuse, and crocodiles have equal paired galoshes when apricots jauntily heave without camouflage. Why keep a generic will-o-wisp over the cankerous mandolin?
>>54452374
Whenever I try and run gdm it says Couldn't connect to dbus, whatever that means
>>54452435
Well, I care about freedom too, and so should you.
>inb4 muh toe cheese
>>54452374
Nope. My Thinkpad X200 is made up of free software and hardware. I run a free software BIOS called Libreboot.
>>54452478
add dbus_daemon to the pkg_scripts line then
pkg_scripts="dbus_daemon avahi_daemon gdm"
>>54451640
I have no idea how to install it. With arch, I could get a bootstrap archive, chroot into it and install the whole thing to another partition without turning my computer off. I can't afford DVDs.
>>54452516
There is no dbus daemon,. wtf
>>54452476
The research I did involved reading the FreeBSD documentation section titled "Installing Applications: Packages and Ports" and in both options for installing software (and the documentation does indeed say that you have but two ways to install applications) it says you need to compile it yourself.
So how about you fuck yourself.
>>54452544
Just boot it from a USB
>>54452549
If you installed GNOME, it had to come with dbus. It's a dependency.
>>54452552
Clearly you didn't fucking read it, because pkgng exists.
>>54452571
I just installed gdm, not GNOME, yet when I run pkg_add dbus it seems that it is already installed.
Strong kernel, amazing community, never tried BSD, GNU/Linux is exactly what I need.
I use xubuntu because of Steam, otherwise I use FreeBSD on virtual machines and servers.
>>54452567
Don't have one.
>>54452603
How do you install Arch then?
>>54452610
Download a basic root as an archive, arch-chroot into it, mount a partition, pacstrap, bam.
>>54452637
I mean when your laptop didn't have an OS on it, and you decided to install arch, how would you boot up anything?
>>54452652
My laptop came with Debian on it. It's dual-booted now.
>>54452603
Y not tho
>>54452707
>>54452583
Well hold on then, I'll try it on my side.
It's incredible how many useless dependencies it has. I don't even know why you'd want GDM.
>>54452735
USB Flash Drives are dirt cheap nowadays
USB 3.0 16GB Kingston : 7 Euros (8 dollars)
"Kingston DataTraveler SE9 G2"
>>54452583
>>54452771
Well as it turns out, dbus_daemon was renamed to messagebus in the latest releases.
pkg_scripts="messagebus avahi_daemon gdm" is what you're looking for.
>>54451640
i need the compatibility
all my real stuff is on openbsd
>>54453115
Also gotta keep in mind that if you're using virtualbox, you probably don't have accelerated video, therefore GDM won't work.
>>54452552
obsd used pkg_add/pkg_delete
fbsd uses pkg add/pkg delete
you will never need any other commands
>>54453218
>having underscores in your command names
Just further proof that freebsd is better than openbsd.
>>54453276
they do it so there's no ambiguity
pkg on freebsd is a single big binary that has all those commands while the pkg_ commands are all separate
>>54453289
>no ambiguity
>mfw
>see pkg
Person with IQ above 80: I'm invoking the package manager
OpenBSD tard (who has never used a multi command program like git, hg, etc): UHHHH...
>>54451684
Being a complete tinfoil hat fucknut like you, I just code my OS in assembly.
>>54453330
>trying THIS hard
also why don't you write a package manager if you think you can do it better
>>54451640
Because it's not 1997-2003
Or hey we could go the OpenBSD route and listen to Theo De Raadts crazy fucking tantrums when he goes off his meds.
>>54453330
also i think it's funny that you're saying this because openbsd comes with CVS and the devs use it
why are there so many people here who don't know what they're talking about
>>54453400
Hi there!
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Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
>>54451640
no, OP, the burden is on you to convince me to use FreeBSD instead of GNU/Linux
>>54452477
Mods!!!!!!
>>54453365
ctrl+f Theo
Good man.
>>54451640
>You have exactly 15 minutes to explain why you're using GNU/Linux instead of the superior alternative, FreeBSD.
Don't need fifteen minutes to explain why I am not a basement dwelling faggot like you. Fuck your damned computer
>>54453365
so you dont use linux either i assume
>>54453456
What's wrong? You're not confused by my word choice, are you? Because that would just be semantics.
Linux is an Unix flavour for girls.
>>54453513
*GNU/Linux
*GNU/Unix
>>54453520
>*GNU/Unix
>>54453520
GNU NOT UNIX
>>54453648
epic donald trump and cuck meme xD
better boot times
better smp performance
better security (pax grsec selinux tpe)
better hardware/driver support
better software support
better filesystem support
better power management
better games
better architecture support
better compiler support
Pretty much objectively any aspect of the two you can come up with Linux is better :3 uguu
i love these fucking tripfags that spend all day searching "BSD" in the catalog so they can post retarded shit
>>54452845
Found a solution, using Virtualbox with a .vmdk that points to my physical drive.
>>54453980
Posting from my phone, my boot loader is gone
>>54451640
>Literally using super linux
I would like to have some software available.
>>54451779
kek
>>54453819
Bad news: the tripshits aren't the only ones who realize the BSDs are worthless
>>54454068
i just destroyed my partition table, somebody please help
>>54454126
oh yeah you also have the guy who posts trollaxor in here and takes it seriously
>>54453980
>>54454068
>>54454270
are you fucking serious
what made you think that was a good idea
I'm just a lurker. don't mind me...
>>54454429
openbsd?
>>54454445
no what made you think that pointing a vmdk to a physical drive makes sense to install an OS
>>54454463
i don't have any USB drives or CDs
>>54454441
Consider yourself mound
>>54454445
Should have installed freebsd. We're competent enough to give clear instructions to beginners.
>>54454467
then you shouldn't have done this
hell, you could've done a network install
>>54454472
please give me some clear instructions, i've broken everything
>>54454479
it's too late now mate, you're fucked
>>54454479
1. Burn install ISO to a flash drive
2. Boot off flash drive
3. Install the OS
>>54454470
consider yourself nothing
>>54454534
That was too far, even for 4chan.
>>54451640
Linux based distributions has comparatively better driver availability.
That's about it, I would kill for the extra security BSD offers though
Also desu I don't have any experience with BSD, so I'll try it out first sometime
>>54451640
Drivers
>>54454551
>even for 4chan
Dear anon, this site is for civilized people.
>>54451640
Been using OSX since tiger. What's your excuse for using a sub par bad is, op?
>>54455066
>mac
>dont post in >>>/lgbt/
>>54455091
>opensores on the desktop
>not having the comfiest of setups with Mac on the desktop and FreeBSD everywhere else.
>>54451698
This.
Also, in what ways is BSD objectively superior to Linux? I'm talking about measurable performance and the like.
>>54451640
Hardware and software support
I'll switch to BSD once BSD becomes the new Linux and Linux becomes the new Windows
>>54451779
>this shitty copypasta which is unrelated to reality
The FUD is real.
>>54452105
OpenBSD boots pretty fast. I'm using Windows today and I really miss OpenBSD.
>>54451640
It would probably be a real pain in the ass to get my hardware to work with FreeBSD.
>>54455450
Describe the hardware. Literally go Google it, too.
>>54451640
>explain why you're using GNU/Linux
You can't use something that doesn't exist
>>54455476
You can't combine the GNU operating system with the Linux kernel?
>>54455492
GNU userland*
GNU is a userland, not an OS.
A userland with a kernel is an OS.
>>54455464
Dual Xeon x58 motherboard with on-board RAID controller which I am using, and Nvidia GTX 960.
Google results show there are issues.
>>54451640
>You have exactly 15 minutes to explain why you're using GNU/Linux instead of the superior alternative, FreeBSD.
I'm on OS X so it's kinda BSD....
>>54451898
This is false. FreeBSD supports Firefox.
>>54455607
Sorta. It has a lot of Apple stuff in the application layer, and a different kernel.
>>54455629
OpenBSD has both Chromium and Firefox, along with quite a few less-famous browsers.
There was a bug in one release of FreeBSD that killed Chromium though, but they fixed it.
>>54455543
Ouch. I too have Nvidia, unfortunately. The 970.
Nvidia will always give us problems. The only solution is to not use products from such an unfriendly company.
Though, on FreeBSD, but no other BSD, Nvidia officially provides drivers.
Not hating. but why the fuck woul anone use bsd? i mean what actualy point is there to it? does it encryt Cp th ebest pr what? i mean the fuck does it do better or even do. looks lik etrash. nobody cares nto even server fags. why . why...
>>54455701
learn how to fucking write before posting, fag
>>54455701
The point is that a person might actually enjoy Unix.
The BSDs generally feel like Unix.
Unix isn't the best thing mankind can have, but still pretty good, and some people like it.
GNU/Linux is the containment OS for Lisp machine refugees and MS-DOS refugees.
Hackintosh master race
>>54451640
I'm autistic and I like complicated things for some reason
>>54455688
Well, FreeBSD is the good one, right?
>>54455676
>Sorta. It has a lot of Apple stuff in the application layer, and a different kernel.
I know, sadly. I like the model of BSD, the centralized stable development. Maybe when I replace my MacBook I'll investigate it more.
>>54455787
Personal preference as far as I know.
I've liked both FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but prefer OpenBSD.
>>54455517
>GNU is a userland, not an OS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU
>GNU is an operating system
>yfw you're so wrong that the first 5 words of the wikipedia article contradict you
>>54455787
I like all the main BSDs, but I prefer OpenBSD.
They're all fun, elegant operating systems.
>>54455825
The article's talking about GNU with Hurd, AKA vaporware.
>>54455847
>GNU with Hurd
Hurd is part of GNU, you dingleberry
>>54455701
Let's look at true.c, a simple program designed to always return true.
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/true.c
And here's OpenBSD's counterpart:
http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/true/true.c?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&only_with_tag=MAIN
GNU/Linux is fine for desktop use, but really, under the hood it's no less of a spaghetti clusterfuck written by mediocre slogan-addled teenagers than Windows is.
>>54455880
When we're talking about the GNU operating system, we're talking about the COMPLETE GNU operating system.
The GNU/Hurd OS will never be completed unless I complete it myself, since the FSF surely won't complete it.
>>54455903
holy shit
>>54455911
>COMPLETE GNU operating system.
Congratulations, you've invented this term.
Most humans call GNU... (wait for it) "GNU"
>>54451640
Because I use the superior OpenBSD
>>54455903
>inb4 "b-but you never use true.c"
no, you don't, but it's just an example of the FSF/GNU team's incompetence
>>54455903
What does theo mean by this?Switch back to C versions of true/false. I do not accept any of the
arguments made 20 years ago. A small elf binary is smaller and faster
than a large elf binary running a script. Noone cares about the file
sizes on disk.
>>54455903
>CVS
>2016
>>54455985
true used to be an empty shell script iirc
>>54455985
that having a shell version of true is boneheaded today, because the shell needs to fork or something
>>54455986
i think they don't want to switch to git because they'd lose the dev history and also GPL
>>54451847
grsec
>>54452126
yes, now linux is better, check out raw syscall performances - linux trades blows with freebsd all the time, a lot of the time being superior in performance. the tradeoff is losing robustness and becoming nasty to develop for, but what does that matter to you, you're a braindead "power user xDDDD".
>>54452299
why do u think that
BSD shills need to FUCK OFF.
>>54455903
>GNU/Linux is fine for desktop use, but really, under the hood it's no less of a spaghetti clusterfuck written by mediocre slogan-addled teenagers than Windows is.
Hate on GNU bloat all you want but at the end of the day, I hate all command line programs that don't respond to --help in at least some way.
>>54456019
alias --help to man--help true
>>54456019
>I have to have gnu style long named parameters.
You can always tell the GNU babby's that have only ever run Windows.
>>54456016
>grsec
https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/724745886794833920
The kids at grsec responded by ip-banning him from the forum and blocking him on Twitter for reporting an issue with their patchset. lmfao
>>54456047
>>54456060
Holy shit, are BSD users actually this fucking stupid?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised -- a truly masturbatory timesink OS takes its toll on the brain.
>>54456016
>why do u think that
because it's been "coming" for years
>>54456079
don't grsec get butthurt at almost everything openbsd does, too?
>>54456103
>i like shitty bloated code
>>54456103
>I only know Linux
Learn to use man pages instead of wiki's.
>>54456121
>he thinks only BSD has manpages
>>54456135
no, but only BSD has useful manpages
>>54456060
>I have to have gnu style long named parameters.
I like command line software designed to be used by human beings
>>54456135
>open GNU manpage
>refers to some texinfo shit.
Gnu really needs to die.
Because if I wanted to give my pc STDs I would have bought a Mac
>>54452495
Also on a librebooted ThinkPad X200.
>>54451640
think of everything that linux loses out on over windows. This same thing occurs with linux -> freebsd. How low do you wanna go?
>>54452495
>thinks his hardware is free or open source hardware
Do you have the schematics to have that thinkpad built in any modified way you desire?
Can you prove there are no hardware trojans?
>>54455265
Better file system, better networking performance, better memory management, less buggy, more secure
>>54456869
this is why i laugh at people who go "muh blobs" even when they don't matter in the case of openbsd
>>54457014
Agreed.
>people seriously think raspberry pi, arduino, or intel "open" boardshit is actually FOSH
I am using FreeBSD. It's really nice.
>>54454068
>>54451640
NVidia Optimus technology on my laptop...
Never played around it in FreeBSD desu, I have seen a couple tutorial of how to get it working but never had time.
Running *BSD on all the other hardware
