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At the Nvidia Launch Event that happened yesterday, they talked about 1070's and 1080's performance, and how they compare to Titan X, 980ti and 980.
http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-gtx-1080/
https://youtu.be/3WnmZwChW_s?t=3m50s
>inb4 linus shill tips
>Reference 1070 performs better than a Titan X
>Reference 1070 performs better than a two way 980 SLI.
>DirectX 12 was kind of avoided, but apparently there is a 25% increase in performance compared to a Titan X or 980 ti.
>1070 specs:
6.5 TFLOPS
8 GB GDDR5
$379 MSRP
$449 Founders Edition
June 10th
>1080 specs:
2560 CUDA Cores
1607 MHz base clock
1733 MHz boost clock (can be overclocked to 2114 MHz)
9 TFLOPS Max
8GB GDDR5X at 10 GHz (can be overclocked to 11.016 MHz), 320 GB/s
180 watts TDP
67º Celsius when overclocked
$599 MSRP
$699 Founders Edition
Looks pretty good imo
>>54427283
They just obseleted the entire current crop of GPUs. Like, all of them. They're all dead. Nice job NVidya.
>>54427297
OP here, I really wanted AMD to at least compete with Nvidia in this generation of GPU's, but I guess we'll have to wait for Vega or something.
>>54427321
They might still be able to compete on price, assuming the 1050 doesn't absolutely cream them. Which it probably will.
There won't be a next generation for AMD. They need to get a clean hit on NVidia and Intel this generation and it ain't happening. Zen doesn't look like it's going to be much better than Intel chips from 2 generations ago.
>>54427357
I'm guessing the only thing AMD has left in terms of GPUs is DirectX 12 performance, which they seem to be pretty good at.
>>54427283
>$379 MSRP
what does MSRP mean? Fuck, I think I can even buy two of these at that price, or one for sure at launch.
>>54427393
Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSRP
>>54427393
Market Suggested Retail Price dumbass. Its basically the price youre going to be looking at before taxes for the thing.
>>54427393
Mom-son roleplay
>>54427444
>market suggested retail price
>market
it's manufacturer's
>>54427461
Woops. Guess Im the dumbass now.
>>54427454
Lol
Founder cards = reference cards
If you want vapor cooling to actually clock to 2.1ghz you need to fork the extra $100 bucks.
If you wait for OEM cards you'll have to pick up a worse cooling solution to pay the MSRP.
>>54427297
pretty sure a 980 or 970 will do anything you need at 1080p. i think you are just butt blasted
>>54427490
so exactly same 70-100 more than reference for aftermarket GPUs just like always
>>54427545
Except that VR is a thing now and a 970 or 980 might not be enough. At least not if you look a couple of months into the future.
>>54427545
1080 is obselete as of yesterday.
>>54427594
>At least not if you look a couple of months into the future.
lol you dipshit. every single one of those headset for vr will be shit and obsolete in 2 years. in 2 or 3 years VR will actually be good. that shit out now is trash
>>54427594
>VR
hahaha we already had this discussion when you fell for 3d meme ;)
>>54427588
That would mean that you can't buy a 1070 for $450 before tax. Which means $500 bucks after tax.
So the 1070 is pretty much a 980ti with $50 discount? kek.
>>54427658
if you can't afford PC components you either need a better job or get a new hobby. I was buying mid range GPUs for ~400 euro for around 10 years now (on launch obviously. skipped only 400 series)
Did Tom get fired?
>>54427691
Yup, software architecture is paying me pretty bad these days.
At least it doesn't cloud my judgment from investing into a terrible deal.
The 1070 is basically a 980ti with $100 price cut.
Full dx12 feature set? Nope!
Why would anyone buy this if it already definitely becoming obsolute within the next 6-12 months?
Never buying nvidicuck cards again, this is a massive disappointment.
>>54427807
DX12 won't become relevant until at least 3 years into the future. Possibly never as many people out there don't care for the Windows 10 meme.
Of course it will perform better by leaps and bounds, after they release drivers to drop 980/ti performance by 25%
what about the mid range market? fucking nvidia jews pushing "high-end" again? 1060 and a price pls or I'm switching to AMD
>>54427283
Dat 7.5+.5GB
>>54427865
1070 is mid range. You're thinking low-end.
>>54427856
Windows 10 is not a meme, not upgrading to Windows 10 is a meme dipshit, get out of /g/
>>54427883
You're a retard. *70 is low high end, *80 is mid high range, TI is highest end. A *60 would be middle range.
>>54427883
>500$ after tax for a card is considerend mid range now
you nvidia cucks are swallowing it all don't you?
>>54427883
$400 graphics cards are not mid range. Stop believing marketing bullet points.
>>54427930
$379 for a 1070 which performs better than a 980 ti which costs or did cost 600? not ba dimo. you get what ya pay for. not an amd hater. but i'd go with nvidia
>>54427930
>this desperate amd cuck damage control
>>54427283
So.......
The R9 390 performs faster than the 1070 on modern DX 12 titles still? Also, the memory is still faster on the R9 390 as well?
lol?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and sheep will still buy this shit.
cool my 980 ti is now worth $250 if i go to sell it locally right now all in part of the new $350 level card shitting all over it by at least 10%.
thanks nvidia. you really showed me have investing is absolute worthless.
at least my i7 is going strong.
>>54427972
I'm still using 560 ti dumbshit I'm not paying more than 300$ for a card I'm not a manchild with money to throw away.
>>54427930
>after tax
Loving this meme. If you buy it on newegg like a normal person you don't pay any.
>>54427994
Correction: I'm a poorfag who can't have as little as 300 dollars therefore I'm gonna rub my sour grapes all over the place.
>>54427930
b-but mom it's the second best. It isn't even the top tier.
>>54427975
>"investing" in a graphics card
What the fuck did you expect?
>>54427975
>What do you mean somebody can just buy a $100 Moto E and it shits completely on my expensive high-end iPhone 4? Fuck Apple never buying from them again
>>54428008
Americans don't have to pay sales tax on online goods?
I'm stuck paying 15% sales tax on anything that isn't digital.
>>54428012
Correction: I rather spend money on things I like and not a spreadsheet machine that I occasionally play emulators on.
>>54427975
Are you simply disgracefully retarded or what? GPUs are NOT investments you fucking idiot. An investment is something that is gonna earn you money in the long run. Now it's nvidia's fault they are releasing better products because you think you're such hot shit that the entire industry should stall itself? Yeah, let's contact all the developers out there and tell them that pushing things forward hurt our collective fee fees and therefore nothing should advance anymore.
I can't fucking believe this is the current state of this board. This board should have at the very least slightly above average people to talk about technology and yet this shit is what we get. Unfuckingbelievable.
>>54428022
they say some batches are better than others.
I still have one tnt riva ultra stored away that I'm expecting to trade for a Chateau Lafite 1982 in a couple more years.
>>54428046
moto e is worse than an iphone 4
>>54427973
The R9 390 never outperformed anything. Keep on memeing.
>>54428072
But...
The Moto e has better battery life, and can actually make decent calls, with good sound quality.
Nvidia is such a jew that the MSRP for their household cards is above the one for their custom board partners.
>>54428065
someone needs to untighten their undies
i think people are upset that a card that cost a minimum of $650 that isn't even a full year old since release is getting dethroned by a $350 level card. most people wouldn't be as upset if it at least matched it, but according to nvidia, it will be slower.
i can understand that feel. even the 580 didn't lose that level of value when the 680 came out and the 580 was out A LOT longer than the 980 ti before its successor. what's even more depressing is that the 1080 isn't even the 980 ti successor. go to nvidia's own 1080 page and they proclaim its the successor to the standard 980. massive hint a 1080 ti is over the horizon.
>>54428105
>can actually make decent calls, with good sound quality.
opinion
>The Moto e has better battery life
only valid point
>>54427321
>>54427357
>>54427385
I starting to think AMD does not really care to compete with Nvidia. I think AMD is just trying to make a good GPU at this point. Maybe when they have a solid and efficient card they can look to compete on the high end. They have the console market and are aiming for the Laptop market. (My opinion) Random Pic
>>54428103
OOO...okay, sure.
>>54427283
> Founders edition
what?
>>54427321
>I really wanted AMD to at least compete with Nvidia in this generation of GPU's, but I guess we'll have to wait for Vega or something.
AMD cards have already been confirmed to be 980ti level at 100W power draw and $300 MSRP.
They still compete, but at the market segment where they can sell 10x the amount of cards - higher yields, OEMs, etc.
Straight up performance isn't always what makes the best product.
>>54428200
a vapor cooled card that allows it to boost to 2ghz instead of 1.7ghz for traditionally cooled cards.
>>54428128
I'd love to see you newfag dipshits back then when things got completely obsolete every 6 months or so.
>massive hint a 1080 ti is over the horizon.
YOU DON'T SAY
>>54428148
How the fuck is that an opinion?
The iPhone 4 has shit reception when compared to Motorola phones, and most Motorola phones have superior cell connection.
Sound quality wise on calls? Have you heard people on the other end when they are talking through an iPhone, especially anything under the 5s? It sounds like pure garbage, it's very muffled.
>>54428201
>AMD cards have already been confirmed to be 980ti level at 100W power draw and $300 MSRP.
>>54428128
did you have any doubt that there wasn't going to be a Ti variant?
Ok, the first around it was just a revision and it was pretty cool. But now, they figured out that if they follow in the game devs bussiness practices and launch the unfinished product and charge a bit more for the dlc later. they'll make a killing twice more per annum And in their case they charge far more for the 'dlc'.
Seriously this isn't cool. This practice really merits a boycott.
>>54428201
and for $70 you can get a better driver nvidia card that's 10% faster minimum.
thats a better buy
should I buy 970 now or wait for 1070 in june?
>>54428200
It's the limited edition of GPUs, nvidia milks the goyims even harder with this
>>54428216
So it's the stock cooler, but you can only get it from Nvidia's website?
>>54428232
so? pull the penis out of your butt gramps.
new market doesn't want their investments to get tossed into the trash after a year.
whats so wrong with buying a $700 card and asking for it to at least last two years in value? you act like you're getting molested if your card lasts longer than a year.
>>54428069
connoisseurs only pay for 3dfx.
>>54428294
well technically its not a stock cooler.
nvidia didn't release one this time around. instead they are releasing their own "founder cards" which are sorta a special edition card that's capable of achieving 2ghz and comes equipped with nvidias vapor cooled solution.
regular oem cards won't be guaranteed to hit nor boost to 2ghz and will use whatever cooling solution they choose.
>>54427454
almost made me spit out my food
>>54428103
>Telling people they memeing.
>uses meme comment.
Also R390 best card for the money.
>>54427856
>DX12 won't become relevant until at least 3 years into the future
>this is what Nvidiots believe
>>54428284
Why in the ever living fuck would you ever settle for previous gen technology especially when the gap in technology, i.e. finfet, is very apparent?
Feels bad man, bought a 980 early last December, if the depression doesn't kill me the sense of regret will
>>54428201
too bad nvidia markets their whole gpu market by only showing up the high end, and people will think the rest of segments will be better than amd where it isnt
>>54428367
>what is every DirectX release ever
>Hey, want to play our game? You only need to be in the 20% market share of having both the latest Windows and having a card released in the last 18 months!
yeah this doesn't happen
>>54428385
Depends of the level of performance you expected.
>>54428355
The best card for the money is using integrated graphics, what's your point?
>>54428410
>nothing ever changes
kill yourself you shill
>>54428411
I was expecting alot more than I got
>>54428427
>2.jpg
You have a whole folder of outdated GPU memes? You know it's AMDs that cause the housefires now, right?
>>54428258
It's dishonesty, plain and simple.
Instead of spreading their SKU's organically, they artificially spread it over time (against their own product sheet) and turn what should be the **60 and **50 into **70 and **80. If they were 'fair' what we know as mid-low range 50's and 60's would sit cosily there at the hight end without cannibalizing each segment. Yes, this would rearrange their entire product list especially at the low end, but it would be far better than this blatant greed.
>>54428410
>what is every DirectX release ever
Are you stupid? Microsoft always pushes DirectX and it's leadship OS.
>what is Vista and Halo 2
>>54427283
>Founders Edition
give a tl:dr on this shit. Is it the new ti designation?
>>54428446
nice assumption. but I use this functions (pic related) to download files from 4chins with the original filename
>>54427283
I'll wait for the 1080ti, looks cool tho.
>>54427775
>video cards
>investment
Oh sweet christ.
>>54428457
Yeah and few people fall for it. Especially not publishers that want to actually sell game, they're not artificially limiting it to a fraction of the market share.
>>54428446
I have CFX of two R9 380X's and they never go over 60C while having a 20% OC, is something wrong with them?
>>54428492
Poorfags dude, poofrags everywhere
>>54428494
But in the end it worked still pretty well and most market share was Vista and most games DX10, in less then 3 years, because 3 years after Vista, 7 was already out.
>>54428103
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>>54428428
The 980 was too expensive for its level of performance. Except since I'm a patient idiot (emphasis on idiot), I'm literally waiting for it to drop its price this summer to make a PC for cheap 1080p gaming.
>>54428367
>>54428427
>>54428457
Sorry to break it to you fags, but directx 9 persisted as the standard for years after directx 10 and even 11 were available. Lots of games had a directx10 mode, but they didn't take advantage of any of the features it had.
Anyone know if I'll be able to run this on a 600w PSU?
>>54428575
Get the Polaris card instead. It has higher performance per watt.
>>54428573
>Lots of games had a directx10 mode
That's what we are talking about dipshit
How powerful is the 1080?
I want to upgrade from my 780 to this, but will I even notice a difference in performance?
(My main game is Planetside 2)
>>54428575
Why won't you people stop posting? Can someone post the guy running an FX chip with a 290x on 400W? Fucking hell you guys don't know shit.
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1912365/
>tfw nvidia still hasn't caught up to 5 year old AMD hardware
>>54428651
>Planetside 2
>780
why do you want to upgrade?
>>54428629
>but they didn't take advantage of any of the features it had.
If you think that games are going to immediately start coming out that all take full advantage of directx 12, you're deluded.
>>54428651
You will never know how powerful it really is until it is released and you get benchmarks from reliable third parties.
Same for ALL COMPUTER HARDWARE
>>54428549
>QUANTUM BREAK
Like anyone could get above 60FPS in that game anyways.
also >>>/v/
>>54428652
I'm just making sure before I decide on making this purchase.
>>54428679
>full advantage
No need, using the API itself will give a great boost in performance.
>>54428690
>v
I'm sure we're all here to discuss overpriced high end GPUs because we're all doing realtime simulations
>>54428327
Hmm, I wonder, do vapor chambers have a life span? I mean the liquid inside them can't last forever, can it..?
I still feel like the GTX 1080 won't be enough for 4K VR.
It probably won't be enough for about another 3 generations of GPUs.
so i currently have a 980TI that i bought ~6 months ago and it was my first time buying a high end GPU
i want to upgrade when the 1000 series comes out but i want the TI version, how long does it take for the TI version to release after the initial launch of a new series of cards?
>>54428784
Jesus Christ give it a year or two man, you don't need to upgrade from a 980Ti to this.
You'll barely notice any difference.
>>54428781
Three way SLI them, goy :^) You can buy the SLI bridge from our store :^) And it has nice LEDs :^)
>>54428784
*80 Ti's have been
~3 months after Titan which have been ~6months after a new line is released.
>>54428781
then you gotta buy the SLI bridge, exclusive to the 1080 and buy multiple cards
>>54427856
Vulkan drivers work on older OSes just fine, and the two are roughly equivalent.
>>54428842
>the two are roughly equivalent.
>>54427454
hahahah
>>54428813
why? last year i got a job that pays well enough to where i literally dont have to worry about money. my rig is also pretty much the only thing that i own that i give a shit about and i want it to be as top of the line as possible. some people like having the latest car or clothes or phone, i like having the latest and greatest rig possible
>>54428822
cool so basically im looking at half a year after release most likely. i can probably wait that long and be fine
>>54427899
>>54428367
> AhMeD uses Winblows 10
Comes at no surprise.
>>54428887
I'm actually Ashkenazi jew, and live in Tel Aviv
>>54428808
>relative gaming performance
What a nice arbitrary measure unit
>Reference 1070 performs better than a two way 980 SLI.
This cannot be true. It cannibalizes 1080 sales. No one will buy 1080 over a 1070. There is no fucking point if true.
>>54428884
Probably won't be a ti version this time around. HBM is too significant of a change not to make it a new line up.
>>54428932
>he believes the joke of a graph released by nvidia
>GTX 1070
>performance atleast equaling the Titan X
>only needs 150 Watt, therefore perfectly fine for Mini ITX builds and smaller PSUs
AMD has nothing until Vega to counter these cards, fact.
I would rather not get a card that is simply performing at R390X level.
AMD only improved on power efficiency and therefore simply catched up to the Maxwells.
But these Pascal cards take it even further.
Are there any retailers taking pre-orders for the 1070s? I need to buy two to upgrade my second gaming computer running on outdated 970s.
>>54428808
>relative gaming performance
Bahahaha, nvcucks
>>54428967
why pre-order? just wait for launch, and benchmarks (also don't buy reference cards)
>>54427861
Is this driver nerf really a thing? Novidya users must be cucked really hard.
>>54428974
>this deep in denial
Bwahahaha, AMDrones
At least our cards perform on an entirely different magnitude of performance than your shitty little Polaris. They can't even compete with a 970 and that's old news.
>>54428986
I want them in my other computer ASAP. They might even replace my 980 Tis in my main rig if they're that good.
>>54428932
The GTX 1080 panders to enthusiasts with 4K monitors.
It's made for gaming with high to ultra settings on 4k resolution.
>>54428951
The 1060 will cost $200 and offer 980 performance.
How can amd compete?
Polaris will be $300 drop in replacements for the 390x, which is weaker than the 980.
>>54428426
>The best card for the money is using integrated graphics, what's your point?
Thats not a card, integrated means it's on the motherboard. You don't even understand.
>>54429010
>The 1060 will cost $200 and offer 980 performance.
>How can amd compete?
They can't. AMD is finished in the graphics card market.
>>54429002
Are you fucking retarded? Why would you trade 980Ti for 1070? They are the same performance.
>>54429016
>not getting an integrated graphics card
Kek
>>54428967
How the fuck can you live with yourself?
get 2xTitanX right now and then upgrade to 2x1080 when they release. God forbids you have to endure the 970SLI for some 20 odd days.
>>54429002
>I want them in my other computer ASAP. They might even replace my 980 Tis in my main rig if they're that good.
they won't ship until they launch. wait for real benchmarks, also why replace 980Ti's with 1070?
>>54429018
Nvtards on a suicide watch!
>>54429002
>Bwahahaha, AMDrones
Dude, my laptop with Intel HD is fine for shitposting, I don't gayme, you silly kid.
>>54429026
>>54429037
Because Maxwell is old news, poorcuck.
If the 1070 can genuinely surpass my 980 Tis when overclocked, I'll be dumb not to swap them out until the 1080 Tis arrive. If they perform about the same, I'll just swap the old 980 Tis in my back-up computer and run the 1070s in my main rig until the big Pascal drops.
>>54428484
>1080ti
this is what I'm debating
AMD subreddit on melt down
Reminder that to translate nvidia-released benchmarks into benchmarks that apply in this universe you have to halve them. Halve the improvements.
So if they claim 2x, it's 1.5x.
In before someone calls me an AMD fanboy, I don't care if you believe me or not, just remember I said this so when the actual benchmarks come out you'll realise that I was right and you should stop taking AMD/Nvidia released benchmarks seriously.
>>54429053
>being this cuck'd by the nvidiacuck
>>54428932
they never said that
they said in some situations the 1080 is faster than two 980's in sli. not a 1070.
which is understandable considering two 980's in sli are on average 20% faster than a single 980 ti. which nvidia claiming a 1080 will offer 20-25% increase in performance outside of vr, a 1080 can be 5% faster than two 980's in sli in games that offer decent scaling like witcher 3 and battlefield 4. in average or poor scaling we can have upwards to 30% faster (there are already instances where a 980 ti is faster than two 980's in sli due to poor scaling).
going off of nvidia's claim of 20-25% with the 1080 vs the 980 ti, take the traditional 15 - 20% reduction that the x70 series uses get, that puts a 1070 anywhere from exactly to upwards to 5% to 10% faster than a stock, reference 980 ti.
considering its hard to find a 980 ti on the market today that isn't factory overclocked, the 1070 will generally be as fast as a regular oem 980 ti such as evga 980 ti ftw.
the 1080 is a great card but fails horrible with what people were proclaiming. its not the 50%+ increase people were sprouting. 20% is nothing. if you own a 980 ti its a waste of money to upgrade to the 1080. wait for the 1080 ti. there is a reason why nvidia is proclaiming the 1080 is the successor to the standard 980 and not the 980 ti. even their benchmark shows the 1080 vs the 980, not the 980 ti. 1080 ti is on the horizon.
if you're on a 970 / 980 or lower its a fantastic upgrade.
>>54429069
>being this much of a poorfag AMDrone
Enjoy your garbage space heaters, cuck
>>54429061
>not falling for the meme-graph is bad
cuck
>>54427621
3d gaming is a meme? The nintendo 3DS sold over 50 millions units. 3D gaming is nice, it just doesn't add as much to gaming as VR does.
>>54429053
Both 980Ti and 1070 cant into 4k 60FPS gayming. Both overkill for anything less. Why not just wait for 1080Ti then? Well if youre rich and bored then why not.
>>54429086
I've never owned an AMD/ATi card though. so how does that make me an AMDrone?
>>54429086
fak oaf
>>54429063
>>54429061
>So if they claim 2x, it's 1.5x.
>1080 2x perf of titan x
they only claimed 2x the performance when used under certain vr circumstances that takes advantages of new vr features on pascal that are only available with nvidia's vrworks packages apart of gimpworks.
>>54427297
>tfw still on a 780ti
>runs everything fine on 1440p even games like Witcher 3
I might replace it with a 1070 if it can match a 980ti, I don't really know why though, don't really need it
>>54429107
Because you keep shitting on a brand new Nvidia product without any good or factual reason
>>54429103
>Why not just wait for 1080Ti then?
I'm buying two of those as soon as they launch. These 1070s will hold me over long enough until then. 1080s are for suckers.
>>54429070
I am on a 560ti. Should I upgrade?
>>54429135
Kiddo you need to be over 18 to post there. Go back to le 9fag.
>>54429135
>Because you keep shitting on a brand new Nvidia product without any good or factual reason
the price is high as fuck, and the graph is full of shit "le relative multiplier" shit, which, if they ran Tomb rider at 4K, they could have gimped the 980 to make the 1080 look better
>believing nvidia marketing
you're just gullible
What is Founders Edition?
>>54429153
Lol
>>54429157
Vapor cooler, otherwise you'll get a housefire if you try to get the same clockspeed to run for a long time
>>54429157
literally a marketing ploy to get you to pay 100 more sheckels
>>54429100
>The nintendo 3DS sold over 50 millions units.
it didn't sell well because of the 3dness, it sold well because it had the latest incarnation of pokemon and zelda.
>http://kotaku.com/5776305/why-i-stopped-playing-the-3ds-in-3d
>https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/comments/33w26x/new_3ds_xl_does_anybody_else_still_prefer_to_play/
most people don't use it
>>54429156
>he price is high as fuck
I can afford them
>graph is full of shit "le relative multiplier" shit
It's relative
>you're just gullible
>lying to investors
You know that's a big no-no to the FTC, right?
And when has AMD NOT lied about their cards. Wasn't Fiji supposed to be "an overclocker's dream"? Didn't they promise to fix coil whine on their cards and never got around to doing it?
Didn't they promise not to abandon their older cards and proceed to dump support for their pre-GCN cards the next month?
Didn't they promise that the 300 series would be built on 20nm lithography, and just rebrand every single card instead?
>>54429157
faggots edition basically ;)
>>54428992
Basically, Nvidia stops prioritizing drivers for old cards.
AMD drivers are equally shit for new and old cards alike.
>>54429187
this is bait, right?
>>54428265
>20% more money for 10% extra performance
>better buy
Maybe you should go back to primary school and learn some math, nvidiashill.
>>54429142
I'm on a 570. I think it might be time buddy
>>54428305
>Graphics card
>Investment
You are fucking retarded.
You guys think 1080 will be overkill for 1440p? Not sure if I should bother with it when 1070 probably can max everything at that resolution.
>>54427283
Still probably not powerful enough to run AAA games in
Ultra, 4K, 100+fps
Not worth
the guy went on stage like steve jobs, we aren't goin get cucked bros, we might get fucked on the price if anything
>>54429198
>denial
Keep dreaming, AMDrone
There's a reason why no one buys AMD cards anymore
>>54427283
>directx 12 was kind of avoided
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS MEAN????
>>54427283
>$699 Founders Edition
what if nvidia prevents us from OCing the non founders edition?
for example with something like an "hardware lock"
>>54429278
>DX12 games being available in large enough quantity
Wait and see, AMDcuck
>>54429290
then we're all cuck'd once again by NJudea
>>54429290
That would be amazing in a horrific kind of way. Watch the goys lines up for the founders edition since the Maxwell OC meme is strong.
>>54429157
vapor cooled cards that allow it to boost to 2ghz core without burning down the house.
>>54429223
well a 980 ti is overkill for 1440p as it is. near zero games that go under 60 fps on a 980 ti at 1440p. if the 1080 is "20-25%" faster than a reference 980 ti then its icing on the cake.
thats near great standard 980 sli scaling level of performance
>>54427621
3D pepe when?
Any word on when Polaris is happening?
I need complete DX12 for PS3/360/3DS/WiiU emulation
What the FUCK happened AMD bros? I thought this was our year. ARHGSKHJ WHY CAN'T WE WIN FOR ONCE
>>54427283
if the reference is going to be better than the titan, imagine how well the 3rd party ones will be with better coolers?
And what are their wattages and TDP? How power efficient?
>>54428103
the 290x out performs the 980ti in dark souls 3.
coincidentally, any "legit" benchmark you see comparing both cards with dark souls 3 will give a higher average FPS ito the 980ti. but this does not reflect how the 290x actually does a better job rendering the "heavy" areas which cause lag.
this is a dx11 game with nothing special or fancy. there is no reason the 980ti should fail here.
and the 290x actually beats the 980ti in all tested games which are designed for dx12
>>54429026
Because in 6 months 980ti will be gimped to perform on 390x level.
>>54429340
>delusional
Somebody forgot to take his medicine
>>54429016
You are so stupid I can't even explain it with words.
Any modern CPU on the market has some form of integrated graphics in the chip.
Kill yourself for being this stupid.
>>54429331
Not before this autumn at best. Meanwhile the 970/980s will all drop in price this summer unless the 10xx happen to be complete wank in benchmark tests.
>>54429356
I'm betting on a June release.
>>54429351
He's probably an AMDpoor owner. Only AMD is dumb enough to put a shitty GPU on their 980X chipset
>>54428058
The retailer only has to collect sales tax if they have a physical location inside the buyer's state. Of course, you're still supposed to pay sales tax anyway by having it be deduced from your income tax return but no one admits on the forms that you bought untaxed shit and it would take far to much time for the state to look into it so it goes untaxed.
>>54429290
that was my first thought as well when i herd that.
to be honest, i think its called founders edition because yields will be low until july. gddr5x according to micron isn't going into full production until mid summer and gddr5x is post to offer 12gbps to 14gbps for its standard. nvidia is only using 10gpbs chips. that means nvidia:
>rushed pascal to beat amd to the punch
>using 10gbps because current yields of higher performing gddr5x is low
>10gbps gddr5x is cheaper than 12 and 14gbps but still faster than standard 7gbps gddr5
>reason why 1080 has a 180 watt tdp, 20 watts higher, was because they wanted to ensure a higher than 10% increase over the 980 ti. polaris actually has them scared.
either that or pushing pascal higher than 1.8ghz requires water cooling and if you want that level of performance in an air cooled card you need vapor chambers.
really though i do believe in:
>reason why 1080 has a 180 watt tdp, 20 watts higher, was because they wanted to ensure a higher than 10% increase over the 980 ti. polaris actually has them scared.
if amd is able to do what they claimed, offer 980 ti level of performance at 100 watts, amd has nvidia beat in energy efficiency. amd technically could offer a 1080 level card at 120 - 130 watts.
>>54429359
They'll have to 2bh.
>>54429356
The 1070 is tempting, but then I remember I don't like PC games only emulators and I'd benefit more from proper DX12.
>>54429350
you're right
i should have consulted this chart which explains how nvidia scales all the way up to 5 in relative performance
1
2
3
4
5
This is why nvidia won't launch an upgrade program for a monthly fee
So much buzz
Playing on insecurities when most titan x owners will consider buying full pascal anyway (and won't look back)
>>54429392
Pretty much this. I'm waiting for proper DX12/Vulkan support on emulators for a hopeful increase in performance. Dolphin has some DX12 support, and games like Mario Galaxy get a huge boost in performance.
>>54429187
Nvidia, AMD, intel, doesn't matter, they all mislead people when it comes to performance improvements. Just like when Intel says up to 30% performance improvement, what they actually mean that in a specific artificial benchmark their new generation performs 30% better, in practice you're getting 5-10% improvement.
>>54429392
Emulators are more greedy than a PC game by design anyway, but considering the consoles you're talking about I'm thinking (not sure) that your CPU will matter much more. Also:
>PC games
>When everyone and their mother is porting PS4 games to PC
>When Microsoft tries a last ditch effort to promote Windows 10 by also porting their games
You could just say that you don't want to play many recent games.
>>54429367
Fucking AMDrones, man.
>>54429337
the problem is nvidia never clarified if those benchmarks against the 980 with the 1080 was either with the founders edition or stock version. nvidia live stage presentation was with a founders 1080 edition.
this is crucial because the 1080 standard is 1.6ghz core with a 1.7ghz boost while the founders was 2.1ghz boost.
for all we know standard 1080's could be lower than the 20-25% increase over a 980 ti as they claimed. faster, but not 20% faster.
its interesting to note it takes a vapor chamber to cool the 1080 enough to run at 2ghz+. the card ran at 67c on stage at those levels with a vapor chamber. we all know they had that room air cooled at or below 70 degrees (21c). live in a normal environment like socal? your room could be a comfy 78 - 80 degrees (25c - 26c). pascal could be hidden house fires.
>>54427283
i dont get the "founder" shit
its just an OC version with a different cooler?
who cares about that, ASUS and co. will just make their own OC versions / coolers anyway
are you as a private consumer even able to buy the reference NVIDIA cards? like literally the one from the pic? i never seen those anywhere but in showcase PCs
>>54429437
The card running it wasn't on stage
For all we know they had it in a fridge
>>54429347
Damn, i forgot about that. My bad.
>>54429412
>relative performance
look at the chart
relative performance per wattage
>>54429449
>are you as a private consumer even able to buy the reference NVIDIA cards?
Are you fucking retarded?
I have two 970 reference cards in my PC. I had two 770 reference cards before I traded them in for EVGA Classy versions. You were always able to buy reference coolers, they just have a really limited supply.
>>54429429
>Microsoft porting Xbox games to Windows as last ditch effort
New Halo on PC when?
>>54429135
/v/ sure is leaking recently.
>>54429372
what the actual fuck
everything in EU is taxed to shit, i heard you can get the sennheisers 598s for around 100 dollars on an amazon sale, where as EU pays 229€ regular WHAT THE FUICK
>>54429475
At least you're not trying to elect a literal racist into the most powerful office in the land
>>54429463
It is not really about "reference coolers". The PCB is in a standard layout, OEMs modify them but that increases time to street. So normally the early cards are reference cards(meaning they use NVIDIAs default board layout)
>>54429449
FYI you can ONLY get the titan line up in reference. NVIDIA does not allow OEMs to modify them. (One reason the 980Ti ended up better then the Titan X)
>>54429463
>they just have a really limited supply.
so i was right, why would you call me retarded then
>>54429488
Eh it's only the 1900s where presidents stopped being literal racists
>>54429464
Semi serious answer:
>3 year gap between Halo 4 and 5
>5 year gap between Halo 3 and 4
Unless they port them, I'm guesstimating not until 2018.
>>54429475
That's not due to taxes(well, not ONLY due to taxes). VAT is between 20 and 25% in most EU countries. In the rest it's actually lower.
>>54429488
>At least you're not trying to elect a literal racist into the most powerful office in the land
?????
libcuck leave
id love germany to have a leader who actually cares about his population
>>54429522
El Dewrito
But that runs on toasters anyways
Racism exists, deal with it
So does profit faggotry to the bone>>54429510
FUCK ME
I'm not buying shit till next year. The next generation will be another massive leap especially with the move to HBM. VR is obviously pushing them and since AMD is actual competition now both camps will probably keep coming out with monster cards.
>>54429550
>id love germany to have a leader who actually cares about his population
>his
Merkel has done nothing but help Germany prosper post-unification. She is an exemplary leader who is being targeted by the fringe, irrational right for being a woman in power, being the most powerful woman in the EU, and for being kind to non-white people in need of aid and charity.
Fuck off to /pol/, you fucking racist, misogynist dipshit.
>>54429460
it means nothing you fucking moron
its basically saying this card only uses less energy
god DAMN i hope all nvidia users are not this stupid
>>54429581
No much to pay to get social security and free healthcare system.
>>54429591
Shouldn't you be racemixing right now, cuck?
>>54429591
dude, i admit you almost had me
>>54429488
>illegals
>a race
>Muslims
>a race
>>54429588
Full pascal is in 2017, so you'd rather wait for next mid tier gen closer to 2018 than you'd expect
>>54429591
Go back to tumblr you misogynist piece of shit. Sexism is NOT why people are turning against merkel, it's her completely disastrous way of handling the refugee crisis.
>>54429631
? i dont get what you re saying friend
>>54429593
Jesus its like it got shoved into a belt sander
>>54429652
That's fine. By then Intel will have their new shit out as well and it'll be a great time to build a completely new PC and finally move to DDR4, HBM and all the other new tech including stuff related to VR.
>>54429588
>AMD is actual competition
>Release nearly nothing in 2016
Well in a year perhaps indeed, indeed.
>>54429655
>it's her completely disastrous way of handling the refugee crisis
>disastrous
She handled the crisis far better than any of her peers. Germany is strong than it ever was with the influx of more workers, especially since they needed to expand their population to keep pace with their growing GDP. Those minor incoveniences would have been unavoidable in any other country, but they did not get out of hand like the racist right would have you believe. They are all isolated incidents centered around people who were criminalized when they arrived in the country from a lack of economic opportunity. And that's because of white racism in the German populace.
Merkel is doing a fine job.
did nvidia have a livestream for this? can someone link it?
>>54429449
EVGA sold 780/ti with ref cooler.
Been waiting for a reason to make a new build. Been using the same parts since 2011 while only upgrading gpu
Is 1080 going to be good enough for 60 FPS 4K? If it's not it's a meme, over kill for 1440p and not good enough for 4K.
>>54429742
PNY sells 970 and 980 with ref cooler, I've seen them at best buy. ZOTAC already announced a 1080 with ref cooler.
>>54428781
>4K VR.
a bit early to worry about that, don't you think?
>>54429718
Can't tell if troll or serious
>>54427297
>>54427321
You people realize nVidia's move to obsolete their own current cards wasn't out of the kindness of their hearts or spirit of innovation right?
It's clearly because AMD is breathing down their neck hard and forces them to actually deliver more than a halfass 25% improved product. You are so brainwashed that you didn't realize that all these years you got played like a fiddle because there was nobody to challenge their mediocre improvements. Same as Intel is on the CPU market.
So the new GTX 1080 is aimed at what resolution? 1440p or 4K?
>>54429823
So, the same thing as every company ever does?
>>54429761
No, the 1080Ti is going to be for 4K and only if its at least 50% faster than the Titan X.
>>54429761
it should be about a 25 to 20% boost over the 980ti.
I say its good enough for 4k now but probably not in the future
>>54429823
>Release near nothing in 2016
>"Breathing down their neck"
If anything NVidia is just jewing.
>>54429853
Sure, but that wasn't my point.
>>54429876
Companies don't operate on short term plans. They are looking at least 2-3 years ahead. And if you look at what's coming you realize that AMD is about to become a serious threat to them. Maybe not this year but next year with Vega for sure.
>>54429332
This guy gets it.
>>54429902
And then NVidia releases a 1080Ti which is basically already hinted at. They know, we know, and AMD isn't breathing down anyone's neck unless they release Polaris with 980Ti performance in two months.
>hurrr it will be shit on dx12
Oh really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfnhMX5kZ6E
Demo on how it runs with vulkan
>>54429453
The even was in the fucking desert, watch the video sourced in OP. Luke had sun burns.
>>54429940
I've been saying this from the start, but Vulkan is the future and DX12 is dead in the water.
>>54429488
I bet you obtain all your political knowledge from Fox News, right?
>>54429591
Lmao
>>54429940
Oh damn thought Vulkan was a meme everyone kept sperging didn't realize companies were actually backing it up, hell even nvidia
Then again I never read about the API at all so I'm stupid.
Hope this finally breaks the fucking Microsoft PC gaming monopoly
>>54429761
Not on ultra at least. No way.
>>54430031
Vulkan is already out and available, can be run on things that aren't windows 10. Both AMD and Nvidia have driver-level support for it.
>>54430066
Shitttt
>>54429849
I dont know desu. It exist only to end 900x series.
>>54429876
And 2 days ago Nvidia had released near nothing in 2016.
Actually they still have released near nothing in 2016. This is a complete paper launch.
The big problems i'm seeing from these chips:
1. very high clocks, showcased at 2x the base clock of their current chips... yet they don't get close to 2x the performance (except for the claimed performance in VR). Slightly less shaders, yeah, but not that many less.
2. readdition of the DP compute units to their cores. The last time they implemented this... the results were the 400 and 500 series, power hungry and kind of underperformant compared to their competition.
3. Pretty large dies. Their die is already ~50% larger compared to AMD's chip. They can't be selling it for much less than their MSRP is, I would guess, dependent on yields. The larger die might benefit them in power gating and heat dissipation but power draw is already pretty low for both parties next year and heat dissipation isn't a problem with AIB coolers. I'm curious where they'll even go from a 300mm^2 die. Last gen chips went up to 600mm^2 but that would be crazy expensive on 14nm.
>>54430078
so all 900 series cards are paperweights now? lol nvidia
Less
than
400$
test
>>54429940
Does that mean a 1080 could run the new Doom in VR with everything maxed?
>>54430187
Sure seems that way.
>>54430187
from
>>54429940
it runs doom at around 140FPS on maxed settings, so, yes.
>>54430031
Maybe but this is id we're talking about. id is pretty much the only big name dev that doesn't use directx for their PC games, everything they've previously released was opengl on PC. Vulken is pretty much a direct step up from opengl so it would be no brainer to switch for them.
>>54430213
Doesn't VR stereoscopic half your framerate though?
>>54430225
Ideally you'll want 90fps for VR
Absolute minimum before it becomes motion sickness simulator is 60fps
Either way it's perfect for current gen VR
If 4K VR comes out, you're gonna want to change the settings a bit.
>>54429940
>$600 GTX 1080 For 1080p
Show some 1440p or 4k benchmarks. No one buying a GTX 1080 is playing at 1080p.
>>54430225
Not quite. More like a 30% drop in framerate. Since it is rendering the same scene but from two different perspectives, there are a lot of performance optimizations that can be made. It isn't quite as bad as halving your framerate
>>54427283
>R390 8GB of VRAM
>/g/ said this meme was an AMD PR propaganda
>nvidia doing now
>/g/ praises NVIDIA
>>54429963
Like that matters. They're in a building with AC.
I'm going to wait until the 1070 is thoroughly tested by reviewers and the public. Otherwise I'm just going to assume that it's gimped in some terrible way like the 970 was.
>>54430083
>And 2 days ago Nvidia had released near nothing in 2016.
They had announced for a summer release, which is different. AMD has released nothing and hasn't given a date for anything else in 2016 either. Polaris could get a release in two weeks like it could be this Autumn.
Right now I think AMD only has HBM memory and DX12 performance to hang on to. We'll have to see what happens when Vega and Volta come by. We know Vega will use HBM2 memory, but we don't know shit about Volta.
>>54430149
Yeah I hate it when companies release new products that are better than old ones. They should just keep releasing the same GPU again and again so as not to fuck over their customers.
I've never sold a paperweight on eBay for £300.
>>54430274
R390 having 8GB of VRAM is a meme. The GPU doesn't have enough raw processing power to ever make use that much VRAM in a playable way. If you actually tried to play a game with super high textures at a high res so you were actually getting to even 5 or 6GB usage, your FPS would already be through the floor low.
>>54430324
>gaymen
oh look the kids from /v/ are here.
>>54430066
So what exactly is the difference between Vulkan and Dx12?
>>54430338
>Saying this in a thread about GPUs
Why even bother clicking on the thread, faggot?
>>54430260
How many times do you think this joke has been made?
>>54429660
The poster implying the difference in price is accounted for in a large part by increased sales tax/VAT which goes to pay for desirable things like social security and socialised healthcare.
>>54429593
How is it wrong? It has twice the relative performance, for a slight increase in power.
>>54430356
DX12 is a meme and Vulkan isn't.
>>54430356
one is open the other proprietary.
>>54430260
When it's doing an average of 150 fps at 1080p max settings, do you honestly expect it to be shit at 1440p? To get that kind of performance right now you're looking at 980 sli minimum
>>54430391
Now what does it mean in practical terms?
I take it that pascal does not support analog output anymore?
>>54430412
I'd say they're pretty similar but Vulkan is cross-platform.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/valve-directx-12-does-not-make-a-lot-of-sense-vulkan-does/?PageSpeed=noscript
Everyone should just use Vulkan.
>>54427283
does the founders edition have dx12?
>>54429761
Nope, you need big Pascal or Vega for that. It might run 1440p at 120Hz though. Maybe.
>>54429340
u fukin wot
>>54428158
AMD will take control or all the makert below 350$ and get rich from it.
>>54427283
I wonder if there was some sort of architectural bottleneck of maxwell that pascal solved that allowed for this? or was this simply a result of a die shrink?
>>54430083
>1. very high clocks, showcased at 2x the base clock of their current chips... yet they don't get close to 2x the performance (except for the claimed performance in VR). Slightly less shaders, yeah, but not that many less.
WILL YOU SHILLS STOP POSTING THIS.
THEY NEVER CLAIMED 2X THE PERFORMANCE OVER THE 980 TI. THEY ONLY CLAIMED 2X WHEN USING VR THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF PASCALS NEW VR FEATURES THAT ARE ONLY AVAILABLE IN VR GAMES THAT USE NVIDIA'S VRWORKS.
THEY CLAIMED IN NORMAL GAMING YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE AROUND 20-25% INCREASE OVER A 980 TI AND THAT THE 1080 IS THE SUCCESSOR TO THE 980 AND NOT THE 980 TI.
>>54428402
Halo products man
>>54430324
>someone read my techspot quotes
fucking finally. i've been the only one mentioning that across here and /v/.
>>54430500
25% faster than a 980 ti whilst being at stock is pretty good desu. a heavily oc 980 ti will be 5% slower than a 1080 but will also cost $900 for a fucking evga classified 980 ti. the 1080 being so much cheaper whilst at stock is great pricing.
im going to hold on to my 970 and hope that i can hold out for 20xx
I mean there are alot of you gaming comfy on 770s these days. graphics arent everything to me. but a stable 60+fps is. with setting tweaks im sure that wont be a problem
>>54430500
>THEY CLAIMED IN NORMAL GAMING YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE AROUND 20-25% INCREASE OVER A 980 TI AND THAT THE 1080 IS THE SUCCESSOR TO THE 980 AND NOT THE 980 TI.
At that price point it's the successor of the 980Ti, full stop.
25% more performance at 60% higher clocks is godawful.
>>54429069
Is he about to harvest that child's foreskin?
not even sure i should take a side
its hard to see any objectivity in this fight which can only really be described as hurling shit at each other
>>54430702
>25% more performance at 60% higher clocks is godawful.
different architectures scale differently when it comes to clock vs clock. we don't know how far the new cards can be pushed yet.
>>54430754
You don't take a side. Identifying with a side is fucking retarded. I can hate Nvidia as a company, but I'm impressed at how they're the Apple of GPUs right now.
So May 27 is the release, but does that only include reference cards? And does that only mean available for pre-order, or they'll actually be on store shelves and in story inventories ready to be shipped?
>>54430707
yes, and suck the blood out of his bleeding penis
>>54430816
as gaymurr trash im going to buy a graphics card soon, which means choosing a side
but i cant get any truly unbiased feedback because everyone who has anything to say about the matter has already chosen a side
So, I didn't look into the GPU scene since I got my 280x two years ago
As far as I can tell Nvidia made a pretty strong lineup, did AMD already tell theirs since everybody is saying NV creamed AMD?
What's the current situation mates?
I'm still rocking a 760gtx. The 1070 will be like xmas morning for me and I suspect for most gamers as well who don't upgrade cards very often.
Reminder that AMD isn't even refreshing their enthusiast line up until 2017. Polaris 10 and 11 are for budget and mainstream cards.
>>54430793
Yes, and nvidia's architectures have scaled worse and worse with clocks with each new iteration.
We don't know how far their chips can be pushed but we can assume that 2Ghz is about the cap for it, that's what they were shown off at.
>>54430702
>>54430607
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1080
nvidia even claims its the successor to the 980 and not the 980 ti. even their benchmark is against the 980, not the 980 ti.
honestly only being 20% faster is terrible. people on /g and forums like overclock.net with users like the iranian ileakstuff where proclaiming 50-70% increases but its 20%. 10% faster than what the most conservative guesstimates where.
whats interesting to note is the performance of the 1080 ti. without a doubt the 1080 ti is on the horizon which will be the 980 ti successor. most conservative guesstimates have had it being around the performance of two 980 ti's in sli based on previous releases. but seeing the 1080 being 10% faster than conservative guesstimates, it will probably be around 20 - 30% faster than that. we could a 70 - 80% increase over a 980 ti, or a 50 - 60% increase over the 1080.
going out and shelling out inflated $600 - $700 for a 20% increase is outrageous. people bought the 970 over the 980 in droves because the difference was 20% performance but 30% increase in price. 980 ti owners should wait for the 1080 ti because that will offer a massive upgrade. 980 ti to the 1080 is a terrible upgrade. even owners of 980's and below is a terrible upgrade from a price - performance ratio. the 1070 is a much better buy for someone on a 980 or below.
really as it stands the 1080 is a terrible choice all around. the 1070 will be a fantastic upgrade for 980's and below. followed by the 1080 ti. the 1080 is yet another terrible 980 price-performance card.
>>54430921
There are two polaris chips(and therefore probably at least four SKUs) coming "soon", the better of which is supposed to perform at about 390x level, and a third coming at the end of the year or possibly early 2017 that will be the actual high-end chip.
>>54431012
>Maxwell buyers remorse
>>54431027
thanks, well looks like I'm gonna be lurking some time and will probably buy a Nvidia
>>54429475
This is purely because for the most part on a budget/tax manner all 50 states act like independent countries.
>>54430921
AMD unveils Polaris a few months ago delivering decent performance at almost half the watts of a 950, rumors started floating around on how that was Polaris 11. Polaris 10 however, is aimed at a more mainstream audience. Some say that it will match the 980Ti, the current best card Nvidia has to offer, at a measly $300. Now we see Nvidia revealing the 1070 and 1080, both beating the 980Ti at lower prices. If AMD can't deliver on what the rumors are saying, then we're seeing a slight catastrophe at the desktop level, since the 1070 at $380 is very tempting. Flagships from both sides won't been seen until next year though Vega has a possible release of Q42016 according to so shady slides. I think they'
re both due to 2017.
>>54431096
There is no way Polaris 10 will match 980ti performance if the leaked die sizes are true
My guess would be it will be in between 980 and 980ti for a very attractive price point
>>54431031
how is it maxwell buyers remorse when i stated the 1070 is a fantastic card to upgrade to from a 980, 970, 780 ti, 780 and below?
and how the 1080 ti will most likely be 70-80% faster than a 980 ti?
from a price - performance standpoint $700 for a 20% increase over a 980 ti is awful. $700 for the 1080 ti in q4 - 2016 / q1 2017 for a 70 - 80% increase is absolute amazing.
>>54431134
>There is no way Polaris 10 will match 980ti performance if the leaked die sizes are true
>DIE SIZES ARE ALL THAT MATTERS!
toplel havent laughed this hard in months bruh
>>54430921
AMD Polaris hasn't been revealed as a whole product lineup.
What we know sofar is that they have three GPU cores in dev:
Vega 10, full 600mm2 range chip, HBM2, Q1 2017
Polaris 10, 232mm2, GDDR5/X, expect announcement in a week~
Polaris 11, small, GDDR5, aimed at laptops, prolly right after P10
Architecture is aimed at performance per watt and performance per core improvements, they said the Geometry Discard Engine raised it per core by 16% alone for example.
As for performance in the cards:
480 is said to equal 390X; problem is we don't know if the 480 is Polaris 11, or cut down Polaris 10, and how cut down the Polaris 10 chip would be, ie is full Polaris 10 gonna be 480X or 490X?
Others have come forwards saying Polaris 10 is 980 Ti range in performance.
AMD has said themselves they're mainstream, but thats pricing more than performance.
They both have been demoed prior, a cut down engineering sample Polaris 11 was getting equal FPS to a GTX 950 in Battlefront while using less than half the power. Polaris 10 was shown running Hitman at 60 FPS cap, max settings. It was also shown running 4k video playback with all fans turned off.
Realistically, I expect Polaris 10 to compete with the 1070, use less power, undercut the price, and AMD will release a dual GPU card asap to claim king until Vega comes out.
>>54431143
Honestly you aren't paying 700 bucks for a 20% upgrade, you can sell your own card and then you are probably looking at 200-300 dollars for a 20% upgrade.
I agree, its not a whole lot, and I will keep my eyes on the 1070 to replace my 780ti.
Still its annoying to keep seeing 980ti owners cry about how the 1080 is shit, and its not worth the upgrade. Honestly, if it offers 20% extra performance at a lower price point and a much lower power draw that's pretty impressive.
Going from a 450 to a 960 was a nice up-tick in performance for me.
960 to 1070 will be a huge kick.
my question is, will my OC'd 2500K hold the 1070 back?
should I wait for Zen/Intel's next shit to even do the GPU upgrade?
>>54431182
Die sizes are a good proxy for performance, idiot.
Or can you point me to a card in any generation of graphics cards that had a significantly smaller die size (almost 50% smaller) than the opposition but outperformed it?
As butt blasted as I am about new stuff demolishing my SLI 980's, its to be expected. I still don't consider this to be enough of a jump to make it worth selling my current set up for new stuff. I'll wait for second gen pascal / Volta for whatever the X80 ti offering with HBM 2 is. Vidya is a dying hobby for me anyway and I can deal with playing at 1440p for another 2 years. By then DX12 / Vulkan may have a larger presence and do me well enough.
>>54431242
980 sli seems overkill for 1440p, do you use a high refresh rate monitor or something?
>>54431195
$600 for the standard and $700 for the founder edition isn't lower price point.
with the 1070 being 10% faster than the 980 ti for $370 price point you're looking around $250 - $300 for used 980 ti.
$300 for 20% increase is still shitty when you have the 1080 ti coming out on the horizon.
look at the 970 vs the 980. $170 - $200 difference, 20% performance difference, ~~30% increased cost, made it a terrible value and people bought the 970 in droves because of it. now all of a sudden this has changed??? $300 - $400 extra is worth a small 20% increase?? fucking shit.
>>54431242
>SLI of 980s for 1440p
You're running a 144Hz monitor right?
>>54431318
Did you even read?
I didn't say I thought it was worth it, I just said its impressive, I even said that I favor the 1070
>>54431318
oh btw i'm not even on a 980 ti. i'm on a 970.
>>54431096
>>54431188
well, then I'll be only lurking now
>>54431220
4870 v 280
256mm2 v 576mm2
Only 10% behind in performance
>>54431275
>>54431326
It's not. SLI sucks. I have a 4K monitor. I run my games at 1440 because 4K support is shit in most titles, especially regarding the UI. I run everything else non vidya at 4K though. My only saving grace is that I bought the second 980 used and spent less than a currently new classified 980 ti in total. In some cases I get better perf than a 980ti, some (see most) I get slightly worse. I still spent less money so ultimately that's what it comes down to.
>>54427283
I still don't think buying is a good idea this year. Next year we're gonna get 16+ TFLOPS
>>54429761
>framerates magically end at 60 fps
fucking pleb
>>54431408
>because 4K support is shit in most titles, especially regarding the UI
How exactly does this work? I'd always assumed 4K would just end being treated as another 16:9 res, what makes it different?
>>54431374
There was a much bigger difference in fab size (65nm vs 55nm) between those two cards than there is between the 14 and 16nm process that is between amd and nvidia right now
>>54427283
>founder's edition
what the fuck is this jewery?
>>54431408
SLI support indeed sucks balls, sorry for your loss.
>>54431454
The fact that most UI will not scale any bigger beyond what it is at 1440p, and since I have bad vision I get fucked. I've heard this explained as font files are images and not vectors, so to scale them up makes them super blurry.
>>54431462
Read the thread you are in.. It has been answered about 5 times already. You lazy fuck.
>>54431460
Nvidia did eventually die shrink it, was 470mm2 on 55nm
256mm2 still way smaller for the perf
>>54431512
No they didn't, that was the gtx 285
>>54431511
fuck you and your mother's mouth
>he fell for the multi-gpu meme
>>54431454
Pic related - shit 4K support.
I'm fucking blind and so playing like this made it impossible to read anything.
>>54431338
how is it impressive? its 20%. the 980 was 20% faster than the 970 and no one thought it was impressive.
whats impressive is nvidia releasing a $370 1070 thats the same or 10% faster than a 980 ti.
>>54431535
which was the same chip, same core config, just fabbed on 55nm.
you can't really be this dense, can you?
>>54431535
The GTX 285 was the same GPU as the GTX 280 with an 8% clock boost yes.
4870 still ran circles around it in perf/size and perf/watt
>>54431576
>just fabbed on 55nm.
Which makes a big difference, next time don't compare the 4870 to the 280 so you won't look like an idiot
>>54431538
If you can actually be assed to do that. Sure, but seeing how you are so lazy I have nothing to worry about.
>>54431575
It's impressive because the 980ti is a beast, and this trumps it with a good 20% at much lower power draw, especialy that last part is impressive
>>54431627
you'd like that huh? you'd like me to bend you over like a little bitch next to your mom
>>54431620
You said generation not process node.
4870 was released 8 days after the 280, not my fault Nvidia used an antiquated process node when making it.
>>54431576
Also this looks like a bigger difference than 10%
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/520?vs=513
More like 20%
>>54431620
it made a difference in die size and oh gosh an 8% clock boost.
I've never seen this aggressive of goal-post moving in a long time. Your argument is literally that since someone compared these two specific chips instead of a minutely different chip they are completely invalid.
I'm watching their livestream and I just got to the part where Tom is getting shit on. Poor guy was just trying to be lighthearted and he's probably never gonna be part of any event ever again because their CEO was just panicking.
>>54431658
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Diamond/HD_4870/1.html
13% there
>>54431676
Lets take a look here.
The argument was: Amd performed better on a smaller die size ONCE in the past, so is it likely we will see the same in Polaris.
First: there isn't a big difference in the fab process right now between Nvidia and AMD, 16 vs 14nm, so giving an example of a 65 vs 55nm card is stupid, at least pick the 55nm one if you want to make a good comparison.
Second, it did not match the 285 as shown here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/520?vs=513
Even if I would entertain that idea, how likely do you think this will happen again? We already know polaris will be GCN 1.4, so just another itteration of their former architecture.
But somehow you expect a 50% smaller die to perform on par with a 1070 (assuming this will match 980ti performance). Yeah I'll put my money on Polaris being mainstream instead of high end, which is in line with all the rumours we've seen so far and what AMD has said themselves.
I've only seen one graph with perf/dollar ratio in which it was suggested that polaris 10 would match the 980ti and that wasn't information confirmed by AMD themselves.
>>54431548
I see. Yes, that is pretty terrible.
>>54431786
4870 wasn't even an architecture update, Terascale 1, same as the 2900XT and 3870.
Honestly 2008-2011 this is what AMD did
4870 256mm2 v 280 576mm2; 10% under
4890 282mm2 v 285 470mm2; 7% under
5870 334mm2 v 480 529mm2; 12% under
6970 389mm2 v 580 520mm2; 10% under
7970 352mm2 v 680 294mm2 was only when that broke. Though you can ask 680 owners how that worked out in the end desu.
Oh btw
290X 438mm2 v 780 Ti 561mm2; 8% under, at first
>>54428284
Wait, it's just next month and not that much of a price increase
>>54432033
So you do actualy expect it to match 980ti performance, just based on that one unconfirmed graph alone?
>>54432106
Nah I did my own math based off scaling differences in the process, shader count reports, a few guesses at clock speed, etc
We'll be looking at a worthy 1070 competitor, AMD will make a nice fancy dual card, and the 1080 will be for the gaymurs who wanna waste money.
Could be wrong though. Course they could always make a SKU out of the clock efficiency band to put some fire under Nvidia's ass.
>>54427283
>$379 video card that rivals 980ti, which is already better than almost all amd card
AMDRONES ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>54432182
We shall see, I actualy would be happy with that.
Who would argue against 980ti performance at a low price point.
Looking for a succesor to my 780ti and it would have to be at least 980ti performance for me to consider the upgrade worth it
If the 970 is actually as good as a 980ti, not better, but even as good, then it's an insane deal and blows the 390x out of the water at the same price point.
