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Is this the biggest meme in US aviation history?
Even the pentagon doesn't want it any more.
But nay says the politicians, think about muh aerospace jobs
>>54404450
Best meme is the A10-A's awesome noseart.
Biggest meme is probably stealth bombers desu. That's all everyone thinks besides "jerts"
>>54404450
Nope
>>54404450
>a trillion dollars
>can barely get off the ground without rebooting several times
it's a bad joke at best
>>54404487
At least that meme didn't cost a trillion dollars.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLr7UZ_rywxTFdhDfu7SFimAMAUVdpabKL
le BRRRRRRRRRT plane is the biggest meme desu
It's the result of our fucked up defense industry. We blow money on sub par hardware because of political favors and past relationships.
>>54404450
a plane taking off like a helicopter looks fucking cool though
>>54405634
That's not something unique to the f35
>>54405634
The Harrier can do that.
>>54405715
So can I.
>>54405715
that thing looks so fucking lame though
>>54404450
F35 - 21 is the biggest meme
muh top gun
muh variable geometry
muh tom cruise
>>>/n/ is that way »»»
>>54406278
>>54405600
This thing needs over 20 million lines of code to fly, it's definitely technology.
>>54404450
>Is this the biggest meme in US aviation history?
That's what happens when you design something with a huge committee and end up with a specification sheet that includes every requirements imaginable.
> Picture related : it's the other vehicle that was produced that way
>>54408789
upload my jpg you faggots.
>>54408809
i said fucking take my upload you worthless faggot dick.
>>54404450
Armchair generals arise!
>>54408824
>>54404450
Don't know but it looks cool as fuck.
>>54406278
>implying /n/ isn't bikethreads
>implying /gag/ isn't dead
There's no /n/ is terrible to talk about aircraft
>>54404450
HOLY KEK, A TRILLION DOLLARS FOR A FUCKING PLANE
>>54408687
If I get my CS codemonkey degree would they let me work on it?
>>54410039
It would be extremely time consuming.
>>54410071
Sounds like a job
>>54410071
He'd have a job for the rest of his life though. F35 will never be production ready.
>>54404450
>everything is now apparently a meme
The word loses it's meaning cause of this famalam.
>>54405715
so can a osprey
>>54410183
the "everything is a meme" is a meme
>>54404450
>biggest
No, but most expensive.
When I was growing up this POS was named the best helicopter evar on all the TV shows that talked about helicopters or weapons.
>>54410262
that looks awesome
>>54410262
looks like over designed garbaged
>>54410262
Id think a huge spinning blade was a terrible method of staying in the air
How much bullet fire can the blades take?
>>54410272
I've got to admit it does.
I even ordered and built a scale model of it when I was a kid.
>>54410298
B-but it's a stealth helicopter and has a lot of computers in it!
All the cool things were stealth in the 90s and had electronics in them.
>>54405629
It's one of the few industries that employs real people in manufacturing.
We off-shored the vast majority of our human labor in manufacturing because we're all going to be engineers, designers, lawyers, and tech workers. Now we have no work for the less intelligent (or those who are simply uninterested in "knowledge work") except for service industries, some trades (most require fairly intelligent people to get anywhere), an automotive or defense manufacturing.
>>54410329
You're better off shooting at almost anything but the main rotor.
>>54410262
what was wrong with it ?
>>54410429
You can only so much you can do to make a giant spinning rotor stealthy
Shitty payload
Reconnaissance role is better served by drones
Program cost 3 billion per unit made
>>54410071
What's the next step in your master plan?
>>54410349
>stealth helicopter
>helicopter
>stealthy in any form
what kind of bizarro world is this
>>54404487
Whats that cute orange-purple thingy?
>>54404450
this
>>54410480
Meanwhile, a stealth-modified Black Hawk was used to land in Osama's literal back yard.
>>54410538
The things above the main camera? Probably rangefinder/radar
>>54410614
Pakistan probably saw them coming but can't acknowledge it without political fallout. It probably didn't make much difference what type of helicopter they used.
>>54410262
Looks like a lizard showing its tongue, also looks like it just crashed.
>>54410687
>Pakistan probably saw them coming but can't acknowledge it without political fallout. It probably didn't make much difference what type of helicopter they used.
Was Osama still in the house when they arrived? Yes? Then yeah, it mattered.
As for acknowledging without political fallout, all they had to do was call up on a burner phone and say, "yo, get out da house, son!"
>>54404861
>a trillion dollars
I live in the DC area and was talking to a GSA contracting officer about the F-35 project just the other day, I mentioned the Trillion dollar figure often thrown about and he said it was closer to 1.5 Trillion at this point.
The aircraft itself may be a black sheep, but the program as a whole has merit. It's a development platform for a lot of interesting & important technologies. Not that long ago guided missiles were almost worthless - the various tech found on the F-35 can mature too. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
>>54410960
The role of aircraft in combat has also shifted fairly drastically over the past 3-5 decades.
The F35 is meant to sit 100 miles + back, be invisible to enemy radar, fire off a slew of guided rockets, and turn around and head home before anyone knows you were there while your rockets are headed to their target.
People bring up the fact the F35 cant dog fight, but the simple fact is nothing would ever manage to get within dog fighting distance of an F-35 without some VERY advanced stealth tech, which the russians and chinese are both working on.
>>54411006
>The F35 is meant to sit 100 miles + back, be invisible to enemy radar, fire off a slew of guided rockets, and turn around and head home before anyone knows you were there while your rockets are headed to their target.
The problem is that the F-35 is not really very good for this. First of all it is too expensive to risk in any kind of actual combat role. The Air Force supposedly wants to use it for close-air-support missions which is completely fucking insane.
Pretty much the only combat it is ever going to see will be lobbing air-to-ground missiles at cold-war era SAM & Radar sites from ten times their range. The thing is, you don't need a two hundred billion dollar airplane to do this... you can put a modern radar pod and a couple of HARMs on just about fucking anything and it works fine. On top of that, you need to consider sortie rates - the F-35 is really high maintenance and unreliable, so again you are better off using some other aircraft.
>People bring up the fact the F35 cant dog fight, but the simple fact is nothing would ever manage to get within dog fighting distance of an F-35
This is more or less true, yes. The "can't dogfight" thing is just an easy way for experts to explain to stupid/ignorant people why the F-35 sucks. It is, in truth, totally irrelevant.
>>54410909
>implying they didn't sell him out
ITT
Mostly people who don't know shit about combat aircraft
Some people who do know shit about combat aircraft
Tldr the f35 is a very early bit of tech with huge potential, check back in ten years when the best air forces in the world are using it and have learnt it's strengths and weaknesses and expect a few cock ups in that time
>>54410603
How was this a failure? This was the base for the F-22, which is pretty good.
>>54408687
I used to think all code was done in a single file, and when people cite multimillion line figures I tried to imagine how people worked on a single file.
>>54411691
I read some European report that all recent Chink jets outmaneuver and outperform the F35
>>54410480
Drones are the biggest thing.
>>54404450
What are those flags, what's the meaning of them all together?
>>54404450
Too expensive,and hampered by needs of every branch,plus the eurotards.
Mccain has his hand in the pockets of the companies.Will be forced to be used due to mccains money grubby hands
>>54411006
>f35
>dog fight
>f22
KEK
>>54412765
The name of the thing is "F-35 Lightning II".
It's lightning.
>>54408749
The space shuttle has served several useful missions and was such a good design even the Russkies tried to copy it.
The F-35 is a pile of shit. F/A-22 for life.
>>54410507
Radar can track you much farther than sound travels, anon.
>>54411006
I thought the whole problem with the F-35 is that they wanted it to do everything from bombing runs to air-superiority to stealth with a single plane.
Essentially a one-size-fits-all missions jet.
>>54404450
design build is the biggest meme, the aircraft you depicted being the outcome of the process
>>54408837
But the F-22 IS better. I really don't know why we needed the F-35 except "muh allies!" and "muh aerospace jobs!" We should have just built more Raptors.
>inb4 air to ground
With software upgrades the F-22 can perform any air to ground role the F-35 can.
>>54410039
>implying pajeet isn't already working on it
We're rejecting you for shit reason #234 so we can hire Pajeet on an H1B visa for half the price. But we'll keep your resume on file and let you know of any time we need an American to reply and be rejected so we can fulfill H1B legal requirements.
>>54404487
>implying these little shits aren't flying all over the world blowing up sandniggers everywhere.
>>54412884
>The space shuttle has served several useful missions and was such a good design even the Russkies tried to copy it.
It was an absolutely terrible design, and the Russians trying to copy something is in no way indicative of its quality.
>>54404450
can't touch this. So yes, it's a fucking joke.
>>54413453
comrade
>>54412884
>"The space shuttle has served several useful missions and was such a good design even the Russkies tried to copy it."
>whispered the american astronut riding backseat in the Soyuz
>>54413453
>>54413488
тoвapищ
>mfw all the genocidal drones in my ROTC program who were super excited about it
Imagining what their tears taste like as they fly helicopters and cargo planes is so satisfying
>>54412884
The Soviet shuttle was not a copy of the US shuttle. It had a bigger payload and more advanced avionics. Even with this they decided that it was a stupid idea and scraped the project because it was a waste of money and existing systems did the job cheaper defeating the entire purpose of a reusable launch system.
>>54410071
For you
>>54412716
Doesn't matter. UCAVs will outmanoeuvre them all as they are not limited to 9g manoeuvres
>>54404481
>desu
>>54411006
Hahaha. Implying that AIM-120D will have a high chance of success without being guided directly from the radar on slave mode.
In order for mid-long range missiles to have a higher chance of success they need to be directly guided by the radar of the airplane for the majority of the distance. "Fire and forget" is wishful thinking as the missiles will most likely fail to lock on properly with it's small on board radar.
What this has to do with anything? Well.. open your radar to properly guide the missile.. and EVERYONE will know you are there. LM can cry about LPI radars all the like, but radar with the size and power of F-22 and F-35 will be spotted from hundreds of kilometers.
That means that if you want to properly shoot down someone.. you have to say bye bye to your stealth and element of surprise.
>>54410960
>Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it
Not when you're spending literally trillions of taxpayer dollars and already have the world's most well-funded military by several orders of magnitude.
>>54413716
>doesn't know about the word filters
kys senpai, baka
>>54414796
>Spending literally trillions
Over a period 60 years...
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X4UKDvf.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>America spends ONE TRILLION USD DOLLARS
>Chinks just sit back and steal secrets and make their own cheap knockoff which probably works better because they don't have a million levels of government and corporate bureaucracy blocking sensible decisions
![417872_506283686104976_425761179_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oi63zNp.jpg "417872_506283686104976_425761179_n[1].jpg")
At least the chinks were smart enough to give it two engines
>over water operation
>engine dies for whatever reason
>pay LM another $150m
>>54413559
>they decided that it was a stupid idea and scraped the project because it was a waste of money
I'm pretty sure they just scrapped their country instead anon. If the USSR had continued so would Buran.
>>54408837
>>54405908
Underrated
>>54413104
>we're hiring phajeet on our most important top secret military aircraft for vital functions
>>54410039
Doubt it, I did aerospace for a bit then switched to programming. Short story: it's easier to teach Aerospace engineers to code than it is to teach programmers how aerospace engineering works.
>>54415278
>Short story: it's easier to teach Aerospace engineers to code than it is to teach programmers how aerospace engineering works.
Is that why the code is a complete shit show then?
>>54408837
saving this.
It needs more Sukhoi though.
>>54410935
>Government workers involved in these projects are sometimes as uninformed about their projects as the retards in /g/
Pretty cringe worthy. It reminds me of the time when I was in the military and some retards would speculate that we were training for FEMA terror shit.
>>54414946
It's not clear that they are really coming out ahead in the deal. China doesn't really fight wars. Spending a couple trillion on state of the art fighter bombers doesn't make a lot of sense when most of their people are stomping around in rice paddies or breathing smog.
>>54415482
It's true though, the total cost of the program from all involved countries has surpassed $1.5T USD
>>54415278
I am already applying for an aerospace program so I might be going down the path.
I guess learn some language over the summers? Any you recommend for Boeing/Lockheed?
>>54415426
> be aerospace engineer
> be in FAL hanger with 600 only people
> be the only person that can program
> they beg me to make VBA macros
I find two problems with my fellow engineers
- The guys that have been there for 40 years and finger type. They know everything about the aircraft but in no rush to get anything done and hopeless with computers. These people prefer archives of filing cabinets.
- The young arrogant cunts straight from uni who think they know all and end up fucking shit up left right and centre. Usually also relatively hopeless with computers but too stubborn to admit it.
>>54415491
Why even bother... When these retards were running rampant in /k/, there was no stopping them. They would just make up shit after shit and you would get stuck in "prove the negative" endless loop.
>>54415540
>>54415544 here
>an aerospace program
BEng Aerospace?
MATLAB will serve you well in uni. You will need this to do static and dynamic stability modules.
VBA will serve you well in real life. You will need this to keep your sanity.
C/C++ for avionics or if you plan on doing a PhD. Don't plan on doing a PhD in aerospace unless you are a sheer genius. It's usually indicative of being autistic and experience counts more than the degree.
>>54415562
Just look at wiki if you want you dumb faggot, the current accepted estimated total cost of the program, accounting for inflation is 1.508 Trillion USD.
I personally think the program is in the end worth it, but ended up costing this much because of various corruptions that exist in our military industrial complex.
BUT my fucking point is still valid, the program has cost over $1.5T, as a fact.
>>54415540
Ada and C++.
I am a SW engineer for one of those companies. And for the record our SW engineers have all sorts of steam backgrounds. Some have CS or CE, a few math, physics, aerospace, etc.
>>54415544
>be aerospace mechanic
>know more about aircraft systems than the engineers who designed them
>never understand how somebody makes it through an engineering degree without ever learning how to hold a wrench
I respect engineers because they save me from attending meeting after meeting after meeting.
>>54415597
People said here that you would be in a big team to spend a month on one flap for most of aero, but personally I don't mind that. So I don't need a PhD for that matter it seems.
If possible I would like to go into propulsion but I'm not sure aerospace would really let you focus on that as much as mechanical does.
Already started on matlab with my engineering course. Quite a delightful language compared to Java.
>>54415544
I've got a baby boomer dad that still finger types as a geophysicist but he does it an alarmingly fast rate. Still making shit now on contracts using matlab. I am pretty sure he is very tech literate for his age.
>>54415685
I can tell you here and now that there are people in the Eurofighter design bureau who don't know the difference between a ratchet and a spanner and that's no joke.
>>54415713
>propulsion
You can specialise in propulsion in places like Cranfield (I'm sure the US has a similiar uni). Propulsion engineers are also sought after in some energy industries. If you go this route, you'd be looking at Tier One companies like RR, GE, etc. Any propulsion engineer within an airframer is usually a liaison engineer to one of these companies.
If you've started MATLAB you're a step ahead of the rest and shouldn't have a problem with it.
>>54415685
>never understand how somebody makes it through an engineering degree without ever learning how to hold a wrench
Yup..
CS grads not knowing how to use simple, basic hand tools. Even pastrycooks can use a screwdriver.
Why do they spend $1 trillion on a plane rather than on rebuilding our nation's infrastructure?
>>54420719
>muh lobbying and constituents
>>54413453
>>54413488
>>54413524
SUperior Rusian aviation.
>>54411691
>check back in ten years when the best air forces in the world are
>self flying drones in a number of thousands made of cheap plastic and can be used in mass
>>54413392
they copied it not for repeating launches, thought about mars mission ahead
well, didn't work out with bregnev, we'd be on mars right now if hrushev stayed at power
>>54421246
>>54421246
>20 yo engines
>new engines still delayed
>>54415110
>implying lockheed hasn't already lost all their data to the chinese
Something something contract fraud something something missing funds something something Israel something something you're going to die a slave
>>54412716
Some European report? Chinese fighters? Outmaneuver? Sounds comprehensive anon, because some journal or other is a reliable source, talking about unnamed jets, in respect of something that really doesn't matter with modern air combat.
>>54421429
chinese pretty much run sort of improved su-33 so it makes sense it is very agile
>>54410071
You're a big hacker
>>54421365
>implying the chinese would know what to do with that data
>>54406098
>muh tom cruise
You do realize Mav flew a fucking Tomcat right?
>>54415685
Why do say the aerodynamics / CFD people have to know how to use a wrench?
>>54421635
I don't expect an engineer to do a mechanic's job or a technician's job, and vice versa. It just boggles my mind that the mechanical engineers I work with seem incapable of doing anything mechanical.
Maybe it boggles their minds that I can build an aircraft, but wouldn't have a clue on how to design one. Either way, it's a friendly rivalry.
what about china
>>54421837
There are many engineering teams that work on individual parts of an airplane. They know how that one part of the plane looks like and functions. They have no clue about the rest and like all normal people don't want to fuck around with shit they have no expertise in.
>>54410238
"Everything is a meme" is hipster.
>>54422094
Now you're just going full assburger
> lol no 2 engines
etc
ITT: no aviation professionals
>>54404476
hello, the jobs are in making something new that's actually good. the F-35 was a mistake, admit it and move on, ffs
>>54404450
Why does it look so fucking ugly and fat? Oh it's an american
>>54404450
The whole US is a meme #BLM #GAY #KodeWithKarlie
>>54412647
No, they have one .h and one .cpp file.
>>54410614
and crashed there
>>54415110
i mean the damn thing asphyxiates pilots, wouldn't surprise me
>>54414998
>engine dies for whatever reason
I'm not gonna defend shit, but this isn't 1917
>>54424289
nice shitpost, have you considdered getting a professional degree?
>inb4 butthurt american
>>54424592
It's written in Ada, so no.
>>54424853
No, the only Ada code on the F35 are remnants from the F22. New code is written in C++.
>>54412884
>tried
They succeeded and surpassed it, that was the goal.
Then the soviet collapsed and it was never really used.
>>54421337
just like t72 engines, they just werk
>>54415685
>never understand how somebody makes it through an engineering degree without ever learning how to hold a wrench
If you don't understand this it's no wonder you don't have an engineering degree
>hurr why can't architects build walls
>hurr why don't neurosurgeons wipe old people butts
>hurr pilots don't even know how to refuel the plane
Some people are smart enough their time is actually very valuable, and you get other people (you) to do the manual labor.
>>54415685
>never understand how somebody makes it through an engineering degree without ever learning how to hold a wrench
Why the fuck would i hold a wrench when we have plebeians like you doing all the manual work for minimum wage?
>>54413074
You are literally retarded.
>>54411209
Why, why oh why do you people inject your opinions?
You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
>>54405973
delete this.
